Yeah i agree, why don't you guys just email each other so we don't have to read it. I want to no whats been happening with necro not with you's.

I for one am always willing to forgive and forget. I like Fun, too, and I agree with you and do not intend to give up my vigil for further news from Necromancer. In fact I am a little concerned about his silence recently. Well Necromancer, as you can see, we are waiting for your further communications. I hope you are still there and that you have not succumbed to impatience or something worse from your ghostly adversaries. If it is just that they have stopped pestering you and you feel there is now now need to continue with this fascinating saga, don't forget that your silence will only make us worried that something unpleasant might have happened to you. So, please reassure us that you are O.K. and still fighting. By the way, have you found some useful help with the tehnical side of the situation? You are not alone!

Alright guys I've had as much as I can handle, I just got out of the hospital (broken ancle and fractured rib) I got hit by a car on my way to work, not 20 steps from my building and BAM! I know its not related to the other crap going on. Well never know I suppose but anyway, I'm kina thinking about it but I'm still not going anywhere.

damn! im sorry to hear that, i hope you get better!
i don't know oyu but i've been reading your posts(im kinda new here) and i hope everything works for u and try to kick those ghosts' ass! send them to the other side!

I am SO sorry about your accident. I hope no permanent damage was done. I imagine that you still feel a bit shaken ("but not stirred" I notice from your mission lol) Well I'm glad you are feeling well enough to get back to e-mailing. Take things easy for a while, get properly well again and then we hope to hear more of your reports! Take great care of yourself! Hope you can have a few happy days over the holidays! Lonecat

i am starting to worry. =( Necro please respond and tell us you are ok.

I'll be fine, bones heal quickly enough.

Hi Necro
Hope you're okay after your accident !.Any news from the apartment ? Did anything happen over the holidays and did you get hold of any equipment ?

Aren't haunted apartments fun? After my 1st child was born, my boyfriend and I seperated and I moved into my mothers apartment before she got back with my step dad, so it was just her, myself and the baby. We had a haunted closet...lmao. I know, sounds funny, but the light would be on and the door open when we woke up, even though I made sure to close the door and turn off the light when going to sleep. I would get up to give the baby her medicine and feed her, and it would be wide open and the light back on.
We know an elderly couple lived in it before we did, and I believe it was the husband that died, in his sleep of natural causes. Other than that, nothing eventful ever happened there that would explain it.

I'm skeptical. No pictures after all this time?

I am so sorry to hear about your accident!! how has your ghostly roomate been treating you lately?

Just now your skeptical this story was a farce from the very beginning. Some people aren't happy unless there spinning a good old fashioned yarn.

Wow, nice story, thanks for the read. Now are you welcoming this stuff to happen to you? If not, then throw away the boards. That would be like a smoker complaining that he can't run long distances. Can you get any of this stuff documented on video as it happens, then upload to "putfile" so we can view it.

If you are asking for some advice or help, then I will become very skeptical though unless there is doucumentation or video footage. Thanks, can't wait to see your videos.

Yes, that is what we are all patiently waiting for. Lonecat

Well a month later there is no proof of any of this. Someone is lonely and needs some attention.

Lol...I don't need attention LOL I'm just getting IMpatient, because I am "dying" to see some real, hard evidence on line. By the way, Lonecat is a name I adopted long before Internet and means Cat who walks alone, "on his own" not "lonely" cat. I adopted it in solidarity with Native American culture. The "Lone" Ranger was not all that lonely I believe. Lonecat ("Gato que anda solo")

Oh sorry lonecat I didn't mean you I meant the guy or gal who started this tread needs attention sorry for the misunderstanding.

easy tiger, he meant Necromancer.



hmmm.. interesting you mentioned that. His last post was on Dec. 24th yet he last logged onto UM today...an hour ago! So he's reading but no reply.... how suspicious!

I honestly find alot of stories on this forum intresting but if a saga goes past a day or so and there is no proof (and there never is) in my opinion the story is horse poo-poo. I unfortunatly find this to be common place here alot of hearsay and story telling with nothing solid behind it.

When I first started on this forum I thought it would be a great source of information but I've come to find out this forum is a great source of stories with some real information scattered about.

I like this forum alot and this site its very well setup but I wish people would come more with the notion of needing to prove something with real evidence or fact instead of just posting some wacky ghost story because there bored and need some friends.

I feel the same way and meaning when I started here.

That is way I have the additude I have now.

"My job as a skeptic is not to deny the paranormal, but to flush out the fakes so that we focus on the claims that worthy of being authentic." NME_Locus

But you see things of this nature can never be proven to everyone's satisfaction. One may have a really good photo of an entity, but there will always be those who will cry "Photoshopped". If you know of some form of proof that people couldn't claim was faked (even if it wasn't), I'd like to hear about it. In reality, all we can ever do is tell our experiences, show photos, or post sound files, etc., etc., and hope that someone will take us seriously.

I'm also curious as to why you feel that if someone's experiences last longer than a day or two they must not be real. Do you think spirits and/or paranormal events have a time limit?

Earthchick, I totally agree with you. When I first started contacting "Paranormal" websites my purpose was to try to find some solution to the mystery of my own experiences.
Whatever accounts I give of my encounters with the inexplicable, all I get in response is, at best, nods of understanding and sympathy and at worst, chortles of derision or a rude change of subject. I have given up writing to most websites that deal with the supernatural and which treat it as either a fun game or a mere chance for "paranormal gossip". I now write only to this website and one other. Any photos I show to people who know me are usually accepted as being what I tell them (inexplicable phenomena) but just about any pictures that I (and, I believe, a lot of other people) put on line are always shot down as "photoshop" as you yourself said. We seem to be making no progress at all in our search for a meaning to paranormal phenomena. Such phenomena have always existed, throughout known history and in all cultures, yet all they manage to do is create a division between the "believers" and the "skeptics", even though there are often changes from one attitude to the other. Does anybody know of a source of the latest developments in serious investigation into the "paranormal"? I have long felt that what we call the paranormal is merely a largely unexplored aspect of our "reality". In effect it is normal, just as is Gravity, or Dark Matter, or even electro-magnetic fields and electricity itself. Good heavens, our understanding of the cosmos we live in is still very rudimentary. Is there to be no concerted effort to delve into the true nature of the "paranormal" or are we condemned to remain "believers" versus " negative skeptics" ? This whole affair should not be a question of the one against the other or "trying to prove" or to "disprove" this or that. Surely the scientific method should be to test hypotheses in order to find out whether they stand up to scrutiny. If they do we can learn something. If they do not then we must form another hypothesis based on further observation. What I really mean to ask: where are we going with endless exchanges of personal experiences, interesting as they can may be ?

Lonecat

As a believer I do have a problem with most photographic evidence. I took a photography class a few years back and in learning about imperfections in film, dust particles, moisture on the lense or in the housing. As well as atmosphereic moisture. I do not buy into Orbs, not because I believe that the people taking the pics are faking or "photoshopping" them as you say, but rather I know what can and will go wrong with a camera or film. Just because a spec shows up on one pic of 36 does not mean that it is not a defect with the film or something explainable with the camera or the surrounding area.

I believe the problem is that there have been too many fakes over the years, and thus it is the "boy who cried wolf" problem, so many people have faked it (much like female orgasms) it's hard to believe when the real thing comes along (at least for some ). It is not a case wherein I don't believe you, I simply have seen too many fakes, mistakes in photography and know too much about cameras for me to buy into photographic evidence. It is truly sad that out of the thousands of "authentic" ghost pics out there that the few hundred which may be real are discounted outright due to the overambitions of fakers.

Hear! Hear! I could not have put it better! Lonecat

I had to laugh at the female orgasm comment
I find the orb evidence very hard to grasp as well. Especially when people comment that it had been raining or foggy out. I think some are too quick to believe what they see. Like you, I don't think it is "photoshopped", but I do think it happened by mistake, due to the things you described. However, I have seen one photo that gave me the creeps. I think I will make a seperate post about it and get some opinions since we have some people here that seem to know about photography. I hope you specifically will look at it and give your opinion, because this particular photo gave me an unsettling feeling, just looking at it, and more so after reading the creepy story. Watch for "Memphis Photo" guys. I am off to go find it now :-D I am opening AIM, and my name there is CarrieNKayleeOKC if someone would like to discuss it, I will be free for a while this morning:)

The female orgasm comment was meant to make poeple laugh, this forum gets too serious sometimes.

And of course I'll look at the picture.

For me this story lost all credibility when this guy could not find a way to snap a photo or record some video or sound. I agree that these days the word proof is not what it used to be. In any event I would have found a way to get this said story out. There are people all over this world that would kill for proof of a story like this. He could have contacted the media or something to that effect.

These types of stories could potentially change the world as we know it. Rent or bills or not I would have stopped everything I was doing the get the word out that yes in fact paranormal activity is real and right here in this apartment come one come all to investigate this occurence.

I think we would all agree if this story was true any one of us would have surely found a way for the masses to see that this tale is in fact reality.

I understand the burden of proof is in the eyes of the beholder but this story is just that a story.

I am afraid I must agree with you. As absolutely nothing is forthcoming I suppose we must dismiss it as "just one of the those things" which unfortunately crop up all too often on Internet when we are dealing with the whole planet. These things must be expected from time to time. I agree that it would have been sensational if we had been sent the real evidence. Ho hum Anybody else got something for us instead? Lonecat

Sorry for this but let me expand on my last post.

Step 1: Establish what is happening to you is real and now you personally are a satified believer. Wow all these crazy things are happening and the paranormal world is real.

Step 2: Involve the people know will believe you. Hey Mom, Dad, best friend, co-worker, ex-wife, ex or current girlfriend, drinking buddy. This crazy stuff is happening to me and I need help getting the word out that this paranormal activity is real.

Step 3: Exhuast immediate resources with the people you know. So mom and best friend thanks for seeing that this is real and pawning your CD collection and loaning me money to film, record, and photograph these crazy happenings.

Step 4: Spread the word. Hi channel 5 or 95.3 on your FM dial I have been having these wacky things happen at my rent reduced apartment and let me show you what I've recorded or documented. I'd like a third party such as yourself to expirence and validate these things.

Step 5: Wait for said TV crew to stop laughing at you. So you think my video and pictures are fake and photoshopped. How or what do I need to supply you with to gain credibility with your establishment. Then pawn anything left in your possesion to get whatever said TV crew says you need to prove all this a reality. You still don't believe me. Well let me move on to the next media outlet and find a taker. I believe this would be enough right here. But just in case.

Step 6: Hit a online community like this. Hi group I'm new here and have recorded and photographed some stuff for you guys to look at. Oh you think I'm full of it also. Well group I understand the burden of proof rest solely on me and my support groups shoulder's I assure these happenings are real and will make myself 100% available to anyone or any ideas that will help me get this story out to the masses and show the word this stuff is real. What do I have to do to prove it to you guys tell me and I'll find a way to do it.

Step 7: Build momentum. Over the last two or so months with countless efforts to gain public support I have found a few of you guys to be believers in my story now that we are 20 or so people strong lets unite and gain the exposure we need.

Those are my steps to getting the deal done. I think most of us would follow similar steps to get the word out. Otherwise your a joke and your story is nothing but fiction.

Step up I'm calling you out to prove something anything even a slight shread of evidence would be welcome. You brought us to this point 8 or 9 pages deep. Show me something.

Again I applaud you. If we really all got together with a will I am sure we could all do something about bringing the so-called paranormal to the attention of people in power. It seems to me nothing can be done on this planet unless somebody can make money out of it. We have all read about government agencies in the West and in the former Soviet Union spending quite a lot of money on psychic research in the hope of putting their findings to good (or bad) use in either open or secret wars. The subject IS being methodically studied by some but it appears that it is only shadowy, government projects that are getting any any serious research done . When are governments going to give funding, once and for all, to research into something which, if properly "busted" could change our whole civilisation for the better. I'm not going to set down, on this this forum, all my thoughts on the matter but I would indeed dearly like to make contact with like-minded people who consider the field of the paranormal fair game for study. A definite effort HAS to be made.
I have published just about all my experiences and anomalous photographs on different websites but all to no avail. I have shot my bolt...at least until I have the fortune to experience something else which might render a clue to what is behind all this. I have taken some of the steps you recommend, BishopRyan, and those some years ago. The most I have got out of parents and best friends and even interested outsiders is just an understanding look, a sigh of resignation then perhaps a statement such as "I really don't know. It's all very mysterious", and then a question : "what shall we do about dinner? Shall we go out or should I prepare a quick meal here? And there's an end of it. Loncecat

Ok, I'm not taking sides here, but come on people, most of the time when someone see a ghost, he/she doesn't have a camara at hand, or even if he/she does, it doesn't mean the ghost is definitely going to appear on film, right? True, if I lived in a haunted house and lots of things happened around me all the time, I would always have a camera around my neck, but I think he said he didn't have money to buy one , right? I'm just saying this cause I lived in a house that was haunted for like 4 or 5 years and I never got any pic or something to show it was, even thought everybody knew it was haunted and could feel/hear/see things.

I know it has been a while since I posted, I am still trying very hard to get this posted for you people. I just have NO MONEY. My computer is old too. The video I have I dont know how to convert it from a video tape to digital ot whatever its called. The pictures I can get them put on a disc but I cannot afford even 5 dollars for that. My mate has a digital recorder that I am getting friday. I will have evp's posted ASAP. Again I'm sorry its taking so long but I AM still here and I am TRYING. Anyway if I was gonna post fake stuff or if I just wanted attention dont ya think I would have posted a bunch of pictures and recordings by now.

Anyway thank you to those who are patient and to anyone that wants to cut me down because I'm having problems then as I said in another post UP YOURS.

Well for most people going through this I'm sure someone could lend you 5 dollars to get this up. I bet you could find $2.50 just in loose change on the streets of your town. So let me get this straight you have proof or evidence but 5 dollars is blowing this whole expirence right out of the water.

You don't need to come with UP YOURS but at least come with viable reasoning. Anyone buying the 5 dollars I don't have and can't come up story deserve another 9 pages or this B-movie.

Also I don't expect everyone to walk around with cameras around there neck. Its different if this guy would have gone online and said "hey this crazy stuff happened this one time what a wonderful random moment in my life" please discuss amongst yourselves.

Instead it was this wild and wacky story of all this stuff happening over say a months time and daggummit I just can't pawn my crappy computer for 5 dollars to get some photo's made take'em to the press or just walk down to the library and post them from another computer.

I don't care if you post fakes or not but not posting anything with the excuse of having no funding to do so discredits you enormously. Its obvious that someone with a dousy like this going on for 20+ days with no action other than a typed account on a parnormal forum reeks of bordem.

Tell you what I'll mail you $30.00 if it helps, anyhow in my world I think I would skip food for say a day and half if I could save 5 dollars to post the world greatest story with proof to back it up.

sounds like a polaergest

Is this where I can find the pictures of the alien looking into the window?



Anyways, real of bogus, these threads can be entertaining as hell sometimes!

poltergeist?

yup...a ghost that can levetat stuff...read a book 'bout documentries 'bout ghosts and hauntingss

i heard that poltergeists were penguins that didnt quite make it to the "other side" and throw things around in peoples houses...

i know what poltergeist is i just wanted to make sure he was referring to that

Stuck with this for 10 pages, phew! Great story. I hope you still pull through, Necromancer. I'll be checking this thread, just in case.

If I had any money I'd offer it to you, but alas, I'm probably poorer than you are!

poltergeist don't kill anyone...but once... it did kill some one...it was in the "Bell Whitch" mystery

Please, and I think most people will agree with this request I'm about to make.......

Go out and please buy yourself a dictionary or thesaurus....you're killin me!

Everyone misses a letter here or there or has a few words they don't know how tospell, but you're abusing that right.

The Bell Witch is a very interesting case. It did indeed seem to begin as a poltergeist, but the dramatic and rapid change in it makes me skeptical as to how and why that happened. As for the death(s), I am not necessarily convinced this was not the result of suicide, or even some other mundane explanation - this story is almost folklore by now and we can't know how much it has changed and been embellished since its original occurrence.

EDITED BY EDW74 FOR SPELLING AND GRAMMITICAL ERRORS

You do have a valid point there, but (and you knew there was a but) the story of the Bell family was not one passed down from generation to generation. It was found in the journal of the local school teacher, if I am not mistaken. That lends it more credence in my opinion, but I think that you and I are content to disagree on issues relating to ghosts, spirits, demons and the like.

What I was getting at was that the ORIGINAL story ITSELF (and don't mind when I do all caps - its faster than using asterisks, I'm not yelling) was, as you say, put down by someone at the time. That is fine but one must keep in mind that, regardless of how good a teacher they were, they were human, and not a human necessarily trained to skeptically investigate and research and present things in an objective way.

If you, ED, for example, were to record precisely what was going on for a distant friend in a haunting situation, let's say, and people a hundred years from now read it - would they take everything you wrote as being gospel and that it all happened exactly as described, even though you weren't really able to first-hand establish any validity or confirmation of most of it, personally - do you think they would wonder about your own biases and what assumptions and leaps of logic, and debatable deduction you made, in your record? That was my point.

EDITED BY EDW74 FoR SPELLING
Is there a post that I could write that you would not feel the need to try to contradict?

You've stated so well exactly what I feel. Some day, today's "paranormal" will be the "normal" of the future.




I'm sorry but that sounds incredibly arrogant. You really think he should go out and trudge the streets looking for lost change simply to satisfy you?




You spelled "grammatical" wrong.

it was intentional

Haha. ED, I wasn't contradicting you, just clarifying my statement as to why I had my doubts about the Bell Witch actually "killing" someone. Wait. I'm contradicting you. You're right! =D