Hi, I need some real strategies the Germans even considered to use when invading America. Please back up with sources if possible. Thanks a lot! It's for a project I have to do, and I need some ideas. Anything given is greatly appreciated.

Ok well, I have loads of kool stuff relating to that. I'm a complete boff when it comes to WWII and war strategies, if you are serious about wanting to know stuff, I suggest you contact me on msn, j_uk_ay@hotmail.com. I really can't be botherd to type it all up on here.

Dont forget about the American stratagy to get the Nazi Scientists over to America to get them working for our government. Oh wait, that was more then a stratagy, it happened.

What about the stratagy of doing your own damn homework?

the only strategy I know hitler had up his sleeve was "The Amerika Bomber Project"

it was essentially to develope nuclear bombs, and send these nuclear bombers to drop them on american cities.

I hate to tell you this but the Germans never really planned to invade the United States. Yup, they wanted to bomb us but as crazy as some of them were they never really thought they could stage an invasion.

Excellent point, other than some long range bombers, it wasn't a realistic plan. heck, they couldn't stage an invasion of Britain!.

The only conceivable plan of German origin dates to around the beginning of the twentieth century. Otto Von Bismarck did draw up plans that called for the Prussian navy to sail into New York harbor and Boston-from there, proceeding up and down the atlantic coast to sack the still young and small republic.

Just goggle Hilter, You''ll find all you need to do your homework....

Hitler never intended to invade the US but he did plan for a future successor to do so. He planned to defeat Europe conquer much of Russia and with the resources and economy build a huge military, then a future German leader would invade the US around Y2K.

As for the bomber, the Ju 390, was built. It flew to New York on a dummy bombing run in 1944, but the factory was overun by allied troops weeks later. If D-Day had failed and the bomber would have gone into full production. New York was the first named target followed by Philadelphia.

By which point the USA would still have one hell of a large army, large enough to give the Germans a run for their money.

Not to mention the constant uprising and rebellions that would face a Nazi-fied Europe and Russia. Consider Iraq; Even in that one relatively small country, insurgents are a major headache.

In Iraq, the difference is we, the Americans, don't want to be prejudice or injust, so as we try to morally resolve this war (please stop your snickering, you misanthropic people out there) we reach trouble spots.

Hitler may have just paved the country over with nukes.


Germany, if it hadn't of gotten overconfident, could have very well held most the world.



And, as a side note, do your Own homework.

As far as I know, he didnt even think America was ever gonna be involved in WWII. Japan made it harder for him, in a sense.

hitler at one point sent over a spy into america (the spy got in) and the spy was supposed to i forget either destroy or still the plans for the a-bomb. but the spy got caught.

Didn't WE steal the A-Bomb from THEM?

I do know that a spy was sent to Mexico to recruit them in a invasion of the U.S. (the Zimmerman letter).

No... Albert E. was in the Manhattan Project.... Who fled to America

the Zimmerman letter was WW1 i believe.

The only way Germany could invade north merica was with the help of the japanese.

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Hitler never planned to invade America?

Ha... ha. Bullpoop.

Hitler had the intention of taking over the world with Japan, none of you seem to be well educated on this subject, atleast recently educated.

Hitler had 2 out of 4 hulls completed for battleships that were bigger than any battleship ever was, even the modern variants. He stopped the process of building them after being defeated in afrika. If he were to of succeded onto Russia and Afrika, he would have EASILY taken britain. His plans failed, end of story. \

But for this question the truth is Hitler would have gone for America as soon as he was done with euro/Nafrica/NWasia... with these countries he would have build many, many, many more tanks, bombers and ships. His plan was to defeat our navy because we would have no launching point (example: britain) for a significant attack. I'm not 100% sure on this one but I think he was going to target South Carolina for landing after bombarding our country with bombers and blockading any help from arriving.

Here's a few other interesting things.... Britain and U.S. knew of a few plans the Germans had dealing with our homeland... they were well prepared.

Britain had a Jet in the works that could take off and land in ocean and dock at a cheaper, but bigger and lighter 'carrier'.

America and Britain both had a secret project going to make a carrier the size of liberty island, atleast length wise... out of pycrete. If you don't know what Pycrete is it is sawdust and water frozen together in portions and made to be as strong as steel, yet it floated... and repairs were easy and blowing chunks off the side wouldnt have caused it to sink. Later designs called for a refrigerator type coolant system with tubes with freeon going throughout the entire thing... keeping it solid.... but even without the coolant the thing would float for over 2 years... even more if they kept it in the north Atlantic in which, they were to plan to send them, in case Germany invaded Britain.

Both countries abandoned this project after Nazi defeat was apparant.

Oh yeah and the reason for these carriers were not for what you may think... but they were this big so they could support a whole fleet of the biggest bombers we had at the time.

Man oh man.. there is so much more but I'm sorry your going to have to research it now. People fail to realize most of their plans were in secret government files that were very recently released under FOIA.

If anyone watched the series of documentaries on Hitler on H channel (Friday), Hitler outline his plan for world domination on "lost book of Hitler". It describe how he plan to attack America using high advanced battleship, carrier and even bomber simply called "Amerika". The bombers called "Amerika" was in its prototype stage in 1945 at the end of WWII. It was capable of travelling without refueling for more than 1,000 miles.

Hitler did intent to invade USA. But even he realized futility of atcking the mighty America. His intention was to conquer Europe before turning to USA. Could he have succeded? NO.

Rohn

Exactly, he had no real plan to parade his Panzer Cores around through Washington D.C.

theirs already been a thread about this

Hitler's master plan was to eliminate the Jews of Europe, establish a Reich (empire) led by a Fuhrer, and create Lebensraum (living space) for the pure German population by conquering Europe and the slavic countries. The slavs in question would either be simply worked to death as slaves, or driven Eastward.

There was nothing resembling a battle plan in conquering the United States.

the nazis were developing a long range missile - a variant of the V2 in a two stage format - it was designed to enter a low orbit.
How they would have targetted the missile is anyone's guess. probably they would have used the same system as in the short range V2 and V1.
The effects of such attacks on the USA of course would have had no impact on the country's morale or capability to wage war. The Nazis fired over 2,500 V1s and some 2,000 V2s at Britain and the only effect they had was to stiffen the people's resolve.

What is it with you people telling the person to do his own home work? give me a break, this is a forum. if u think he should do it himself, dont respond. how childish. Explain to me the point of a forum if not to ask people questions.

That and the fact that the prototype model melted faster then the cooling could keep up with - even in the North Atlantic.

At the end of the day, the only reson that the US now has the technology to do what it does is because of th Nazis...if it werent for them, none of the rockets, stealth technology or even the space race would have been possible. Some of the greatest minds in the world were Nazis and were put to use by the United States Corporation......

The prototype never had a coolant system, and they also never perfected the pycrete freezing process.




Please. It is a known fact Hitler started the early stages of preperation to kill off the U.S. Navy, why would he want the U.S. Navy eliminated if he wasn't going to attack us?

Even if he wasn't PLANNING on attacking us, he would have, eventualy, if not him than the person who took over after he died.

HITLER seriously thought aryans were a superior race... deep down inside he thought they came from another world than everyone else, and thought they were capable of making it pure, so there was no more bottlenecks in society. The momentum he would have set in if he would have defeated everybody and taken Russia/Europe/North Africa would have eventually killed off U.S., and everybody else. Hitler was probably the only person in history to be capable of literally taking over the whole world and making it into a One World Order... he realized that after seeing success in war, and seeing his huge army amass on foriegn territory... he began thinking about broader plans that he had pre-fueror. He never had the mentality to take over the world before his 4th year in office... but after seeing success it changed him into a differant person.

Oh yeah and the LSD he took from his scientists also changed him... he thought it was a drug capable of letting you see the higher plains.

Also, Syphalis (spelling?) also had a major roll in his beliefs towards the end of his career.

I think we owe the Germans more and the Nazis less. Hitler funded the rocket project, but didn't really care about it until 1944-1945, when he was looking for a 'magic bullet.' However, the german scientists involved (who mostly came over to the US after the war) essentially made much of the US Rocket Science.

he didnt think britian was gonna jump in untill 1944, but he knew that its predecesor would jump in sooner or later.

because they didnt know it, they gave him the location where to find what he is looking for.

kinda off topic, but hitler was a genius. a crazy genius tho.

I agree Hitler was a genius, if not he wouldn't make all the nazi brains work full time in the development of better weapons and technology. And also most of the U..S. military technology comes from the Nazi scientists.

I was also thinking, an invasion of the U.S. would only be possible by land, this means that if Hitler would of conquered the U.S. he would of proceded from Canada from the North and Mexico from the South with the reinforcments from the Japanese from the Pacific Ocean, and his own Bombers and Battleships from the Atlantic Ocean. But like I said mainly by land if it was to succeed.

He doesnt have the manpower tio invade anything outside mainland eurioe and north africa at the time...less the USA or South America, It would take years to get enough manpower from people in the new nazi europe, and whit the Allies and the Soviets pushing from each of his sides, Hitler doent have the time to get it. Even the soviets whit their huge manpower would have a very rough time triyting to invade mainland USA.

i agree. btw what country has the biggest army in the world?

Hitler was not a genius, you don't need to be a Genius to brainwash a bunch of people. The real credit goes out to the worker's and troops of Germany.

to true comrade-all it takes is fear and power and you can make people do w/e you want
he was no genius-especially in the millitary aspect, how the hell do you just magically forget about the size and harsh russian winter and dont slowly advance making tight knit supply lines-blitzkrieg only works when countries are to weak scared and small to resist it

he was to cocky... i dont think he would of gotten very far.. my question to you guys is this.. if he were to invade USA>. how would he get across the sea without us knowing he was on his way... if he flew wed blow him outta the sky... so how does he plan on getting here???

Also, what many people dont realize about hitler is that... he was a HUGE artist.. he got denied of an art school he wanted to go to and then everything went down hill from there.. imagine if he would have gotten into that art school.. WWII wouldnt of happend... or he would not of been ruling it... so there would have moset likely been no holocaust.. interesting thought i always thought..

its not gonna happen. happen hitler is dead. and he has been dead for quit some time now.

What!? Hitler is dead!? I thought he was in the North Pole with some spaceships; just goes to shows how you can't always be right.

please mr. ed dont make fun of me. its very hurtful. and by the way hitler is dead. and he will forever be dead. nothing will ever bring him back to life.

thank god he'll never live again.

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We know that...the thread starter is looking for ideas for a hypothetical situation.

Yeah, Hitler is dead , he isn't at the North Pole , and he doesn't have any spaceships .

China.

Yeah, 1 million plus soldiers I think.

Everyone is getting off the topic.. which happens alot on this website.. if hitler INVAded THE usa.. how would he get across the seas to reach us without the radar and dont tell me our rADAR wasant strong then.. i want facts how hitler would INVADE the USA!!! across the sea's without us noticing him way before!!!! interesting eh!?

it wouldnt happen...

The US alone has a million soldiers.

http://www.comw.org/cmp/fulltext/iddschina.html Under Ground forces, about 2.5 million, with another 1.1 million in the People's Armed Police.

Now, during the time we were talking, Russia had the largest army. Hitler withdrew from the Treaty of Versailles in 1935 and tripled the size of the German army. (Set at 100,000 by the treaty.) But keep in mind that the SS numbered 400,000 three years earlier, and that Hitler also publicly vowed to increase the army to 550,000 soldiers. I'm not able to find hard numbers, but I think Germany had 1.15 million soldiers by 1940 - but lost at a large portion of them in the winter assault of Western Russia.

By contrast the US only had about 125,000 soldiers - most of which were armed with equipment from the Spanish American War. Russia had the largest army with about 1 million. Parts of China had been conquered and occupied by Japan already so it's army was badly hurting. France and England had about another 300,000 between them. The Vichy French Army numbered between 80,000-120,000 soldiers while it was occupied by Germany, and Italy had another 250,000. I do not know for sure what Japan had.

Uh... Britain invented Radar and did not give it to the United States until 1940. No other country had it before then. Crossing the ocean was done as it had been for centuries before, with a compass, a sextant and a telescope.

Keep in mind that Hitler planned to land 160,000 troops on the South England coast as soon as France surrendered. The main reason they didn't was due to the air superiority Britain had at the time, and also the fact that Britain broadcast freely the fact that they had just deployed 10,000 portable Anti-tank weapons. (Which was true, they just didn't have ammo for them.)

Landing troops in America would have been fairly trivial. The US was NOT prepared for the war. We had 120,000 soldiers the bulk of which were equipped with obsolete equipment, and poorly trained. We were the 17th most powerful nation at the time. Troops were still trained as Calvary! The Navy managed to stay half way up to date, having just recently replaced a large portion of it's aging fleet, but most of that was in the Pacific.

Troop Ships (usually converted passenger liners,) carried between 5000-10000 troops each. The Queen Mary has the has the record for 15,000 in 1942. A fleet of troop ships, protected by submarines to clear the shipping lanes and surface ships could have gotten to the US's eastern seaboard within a ten days. Airplanes would have been the only real worry, but once the Germans landed in New York and then captured the US's fuel reserves it would have been over pretty quickly. The Panzers would have gotten bogged down in the midwest due to the distance and the extended supply lines, at which point a counter attack from the West Coast might have been organized.

Realistically though, Hitler did what he should have done. His biggest mistake was pushing into Russia too fast, relying on the Panzer divisions too heavily instead of taking his time and digging in during the winter storm. If he had done that he would not have lost as many men and been in better shape to continue to Moscow. Once he did that, it would have been trivial to concentrate the rest of his force on Britain and then either the US or continue east to help finish off China.

See the book:

Luftwaffe over America, the secret plans to bomb the United States during World War II, by Manfred Griehl.

To learn more about radar, and who had it, see:

A Radar History of World War II by Louis Brown (includes Germany, Japan and the U.S.)

If you are interested in the A9/A10 combination and other projects, see:

Sanger, Germany's Orbital Rocket Bomber in World War II by David Myhra.

The Nazi geopoliticians, especially Karl Haushofer, fully intended for the Germans and the Japanese to conquer the entirety of the "World Island" - Europe, Africa and Asia - and then dividing it between themselves, with a bone or two tossed to the Italians.

This would leave only North America, South America and Australia/New Zealand not under Fascist control.

The Germans and their European allies would then invade North America and the Eastern half of South America. The Japanese would conquer Australia, Western South America, and possibly the West Coast of North America.

Fortunately, as any baseball fan knows, you have to get to second base and then to third before you can score a run