For a long time the question of whether there is a substantial 10th Planet out there has been attacked and ridiculed by sceptics. I have been researching the subject for many years, and have dealt with a great many questions and problems regarding this subject, often from the astronomers interested in the possibilities themselves.

Recent advances in out ability to detect object in the outer solar system has led to a rash of discoveries that have deepened the mystery surrounding this issue. The scientists specialising in the study of the Kuiper Belt have softened their opinions about a large planets let undiscovered. Yet sceptics continue to dismiss the notion, often ignorant of the anomalies being unearthed.

I have finished a book on the subject, and it is now published. It aims to silence the sceptics by providing evidence and raising serious questions that undermine their assumptions. I would recommend it to you, but would also be interested in discussing this issue on this forum.

Here are details about the book, entitled 'The Dark Star', published by Timeless Voyager Press:

Edit; link removed.

are you tring to shamelessly plug your own book on this website? shame on you!! But the theroy of a 10th planet is yet an interesting prospect. To think that there is still unknown planets circling our very own sun is beyond belief. Espesicaly since hubble can detect planets around other stars! i think what should be asked is what constites as a planet?

Is it a large object that circles the sun on a periodic time fram?e No. because comets do this frequently. Does it go on size or shape? does a planet need an atmosphere?

What makes a planet sir.?

Andy,

Please IM the website administrator Saruman to obtain permission to post a link to your book. Posting unauthorized links selling a product is spamming, which is forbidden here. Until then, any interested members can always send you an instant message to ask for the website address. Thank you for your understanding.

MM

Told you so! lol

If there was a tenth planet they probably would have found out by now, right?
They're finding planets that are lightyears away in other galaxies.

Too late...The 10th planet has already been found! Actually, it's a Kuiper Belt Object, but it's bigger than Pluto! So, is it a planet, or just a big KBO?

As for Planet X, a huge Jupiter sized object, zooming around the solar system...No, that just doesn't exist.

A 10th planet would be nothing more than a object from the Kuiper Belt or Oort Cloud... I personally believe that Pluto should not be defined as a planet, as it does not follow the patterns for "planet formation". If iot was TRULY a planet, it should of been a Gas Giant, but Pluto is nothing more than a object from the Kuiper Belt.

No, having a moon does not make it a planet, as several asteroids, like Ida, have their own moons.

Why's that?
And why does it have to be jupiter size, why not bigger, why not smaller?

it was thought that the asteroids came from a planet called 'Phaeton', that exploded some one million years ago. though that theory was debunked, as all the asteroids combined would be no larger than india, and only a one/thousandth of the earth size. As we'd expect a planet to be roughly earth sized to hold life such as ours, and something on/thousandth of earth wouldn't be able to hold an atmosphere. it would be as barron as our moon and only 1/3 the size of it.

just thought i'd put this here as its pretty interesting theory.

For all you open-minded thinkers in here:
http://xfacts.com/x1.htm
http://www.vibrani.com/Anunnaki.htm
http://returnoftheanunnaki.blogspot.com/

Just a few interesting sites from my archives.

Well scientists are debating on their finds... What exactly is a planet anyways? Or, define a moon. There are those objects past Pluto that defy & warp the laws of astronomy's classification system. Those thingies with the weird orbits are awesome .

TeraLink Was Here!

Ok, to be exact the mythological planet Nibiru (made popular recently by Sitchin) is supposed to be somewhat smaller than Jupiter, but still a very large planet (not small like a KBO). It's also referred to as Planet X or Nemesis (as in the thread's title)

Why is it only a myth? That could be because there is no evidence that it is indeed real! Take a look here for the low down on Planet X.

If there is no evidence of Nibiru then explain to me all wise one, why the sumerians would put such pictures and carvings representing twelve "main" bodies in our solar system (sun, luna, mercury-pluto, nibiru) when supposedly we only have eleven!
elxplain to me these pictures:
http://www.mars-earth.com/2003_update/Slide42.html
http://xfacts.com/xnews/index.html
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/dm_report.html
http://www.mars-earth.com/2003_update/Slide27.html
http://www.vibrani.com/Anunnaki.htm

Explain to me the perturbations and "wobbles" of the planets: uranus, and especially neptune.
Don't give that "it's due to the incredible gravitation from jupiter" bs.
Or the,
"it's from dark matter" bs.

The odds "are" pointing to a massive planet around neptune and uranus size, if not a brown dwarf.
Whether it be brown dwarf, planet, or brown dwarf with planet(s), they(it) would be situated in a rather highly inclined orbital pattern, around "our" sun.

Oh wait...it is only a myth...

Not likely... JMO

Planet X / Niburu Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
A look at the Science behind Planet X

Wishful thinking? The carvings represent objects they could see and those they believed (via faith) were there as well? The carving represent something other than planets (ie their gods) up in the heavens? Perhaps they saw a comet ? The possibilites go on and on.



Because they really don't wobble.

Astronomers discovered Xena not too long ago, the main reason why they just recently discovered it, is not just do to technology advancement, but they were searching more along the eliptical plain of our solar system, which most of our planets reside, other than mercury, and xena!
What if Nibiru has an even greater inclined orbit than Mercury and Xena, and is even further away, even if it were bigger than Xena, according to the sumerians discriptions, it is not an icy body, but a rather dim fireball gaseous planet. Seemingly brighter as it approaches whoever is in front of it.
"UB313 is in a highly elliptical orbit inclined about 45 degrees from the main plane of our Solar System. Currently it’s near aphelion (farthest distance from the Sun) at some 9 billion miles from the center of the Solar System. It gets as close to the Sun as 38 A.U., or some 3.5 billion miles, during a 557-year orbit. "

http://www.telescopes.com/new-planet/index.php


"There is nothing truer than myth: history, in its attempt to "realize" myth, distorts it, stops halfway; when history claims to have "succeeded," this is nothing but humbug and mystification. Everything we dream is "realizable." Reality does not have to be: it is simply what it is."
Eugene Ionesco

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/e...ione149205.html

The question is already solved.
The answer is already here.
All we have to do is evolve.
Put the two together and share.

Myth is all around us.
Who knew we would sail non stop around the globe.
Who knew we would go to the moon, "I think not, lol"
Who knew we would send robots to our neighboring planets.

Myth is everywhere my friend
Now its time.
Just ask the correct question.
And you will find.
The answer, that is.

Mr. Hazlewood and many others on the web claim that Planet X is a brown dwarf. As strongly as I can make this claim, this is impossible.

Why? Because of what a brown dwarf is. We are familiar with stars, which are luminous balls of gas that fuse elements in their core. Stars are massive enough that the pressure and temperature in their cores are enough to maintain fusion. Planets are smaller, cooler objects which are, in general, not self-luminous. Planets are bright because they reflect sunlight. Their mass is too small to have fusion in the core.

A brown dwarf may be puny compared to a star, but can be very massive compared to a planet. Ms. Lieder claims that Planet X has a mass something like 5 times the Earth's mass, which is more like a normal planet than a brown dwarf. Either way, something this massive plowing through the solar system would be greatly affecting the orbits of the outer planets. However, the planets appear to be just where they should assuming Planet X does not exist.

Even if we assume that, somehow, magically, Planet X does not glow in the visible (even though Mr. Hazlewood claims many times in his book that it does indeed glow), it would still reflect sunlight. A brown dwarf has about the same size as Jupiter (due to the way planets behave, piling more mass onto Jupiter won't make it bigger, it'll make it denser). Jupiter is actually the fourth brightest object in the sky, so a reflecting brown dwarf would be similarly bright. However, again, we don't see it.

Here is a good site.
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/index.html#toc

The Sumerians also had a massive pantheon of gods. That doesn't mean that there IS a pantheon of gods, it's just what they wrote down. You can write anything down.

Maybe the scribe who started the whole Nibiru thing was going to quit a week later. Disgruntled employee.

By the way, why is Jupiter's gravity and dark matter bs, yet a completely unproven theory like Nibiru isn't?

Thanks for all these fantastic posts. I'm really pleased this has sparked some debate. I've recently had a lot of trouble taking this debate to the Bad Astronomy forum, who banned me alomst immediately. Shame, really.

My research on this subject starts from the anomalies in the solar system, particularly beyond Neptune. There are strange objects out there doing very odd things, like Sedna and 2000CR 105. Then there's the Kuiper Gap, or Cliff, which creates the impression that the Kuiper Belt has been shaped by a massive external influence. It compares with binary proto-planetary discs on young star systems.

Yes, myth s interesting. But the facts out there in the outer solar system are more intriguing still.

Bad Astronomy has strict rules against advertizing or promoting one's own website or books.



This is why you were banned, it had nothing to do with debating Planet X. It's always a good idea to go over the rules of a forum before you post.

The Kuiper belt is "just" a large population of icy bodies that orbit the sun beyond the orbit of Neptune.The KB is thought to have originated from the primordial disk in which the sun and planets formed.

http://occult.mit.edu/research/kbos.html



One possible explanation would be a hypothetical Earth-sized or Mars-sized object sweeping away debris.

The Oort cloud is a postulated spherical cloud of comets situated about 50,000 to 100,000 AU from the Sun. This is approximately 1000 times the distance from the Sun to Pluto or roughly one light year, almost a quarter of the distance from the Sun to Proxima Centauri, the star nearest the Sun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Kuiper_oort.jpg




Most stars in the universe are not alone, like our Sun, but are part of double or triple systems.
Knowledge concerning the formation of our solar system can lead to an enlightened concept of planetary formaion processes in extra-solar, protoplanetary disks.

http://www.nrao.edu/pr/1998/protodisks/

A brown dwarf is a likely possibility.
Even, like I mentioned earlier, a brown dwarf and a planet, or mabye even just a planet, a gaseous one though.
The planet, as described by the sumerians, resemble the moon titan, or the planet venus.
What if one of them were Nibiru?
Most of you know that venus rotates on its north-south axis, backwards as compared to other planets in our solar system.

What if nibiru is closer to us than we thought, and what if nibiru is not a planet at all, but a large space craft:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

Hey, miricales can happen

There is a hugh difference between the two.And absolutely no proof that anything like that ever visited the inner solarsystem, or will in the future.



Not Hoaxland again,this guys pseudo nonsense has been debunked so many times its just not even funny anymore.

A new Edgeworth-Kuiper Belt object has caused astronomers a headache. This scattered disk object seems too distant to have a purely resonant orbit with Neptune, but theories used to explain its high angular tilt with respect to the ecliptic run into trouble. This is because its orbit is almost circular, and the available theoretical mechanisms would require its orbit to have become more eccentric. This is anomalous and has led to speculation by Hal Levison that another factor may be at play...perhaps the one-time presence of a binary object orbiting the Sun.

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn8455

Just what exactly is going on out there???

We are about to find out.

The first pictures could arrive as early as 2015 assuming New Horizons launches on time
It will be humanity's first mission to Pluto and the Kuiper Belt.

http://www.space.com/spacenews/businessmonday_051212.html

Likely?!? No, it aint likely, if there was a brown dwarf surfing the solar system we would know about, really no matter how far out beyond Pluto it happens to be. A brown dwarf, despite its name, is a massive object, just barely to small to make a star, just like a star it radiates energy just not from Hydrogen fusion found in stars.

So are you telling me nasa would tell us immediately when they find a brown dwarf, or anything for that matter...
They never tell us anything on time, one of their many strong points man.

Part from the "making absolutely sure their data is correct" time delay, why wouldn't they?

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astr...arf_001122.html

Yeah cos when you want public funding the best thing to do is not tell anyone your findings. The discovery of a companion Brown Dwarf might only be real interest to astronomers and a few conspiracy nuts, but it'd still be a good, positive, news story and help justify NASA's budget.

Solofront, NASA is not the only organisation with powerful telescopes you know.

No, but it is the largest orginization with "powerfull" telescopes...

About nasa's budget...
" Despite our record high $6 trillion dollar national debt, monopolistic NASA wastefully manages to bribe or pressure Congressional oversight officials to sort of look the other way despite mishaps or abuses"

http://www.spaceprojects.com/pork2000/



"AMERICA's space agency NASA - once a synonym for US high-tech supremacy - is struggling for survival. In the last few days, it has lost its chief, been revealed to have a $5 billion debt, and been blasted by a committee, including several Nobel laureates, for its inept management."
"The agency's main hopes lie with persuading Congress to bail it out. It is estimated it needs $8bn to fulfil its commitments, an improbable sum given that America is on a war footing and has priorities far removed from space travel. Instead, cutting costs and missions seems the agency's likely future."
"In one case - the Mars orbiter - the mission failed because engineers simply mistook metric measurements for those in imperial units. The debacle was blamed on lack of resources."
"By contrast, the space station - being put together 250 miles above Earth - has sucked in cash like a black hole. Originally touted as costing $17bn, its pricetag has spiralled to$22bn, and is expected to reach $30bn."

http://www.aulis.com/news19.htm

We have a blackhole right in america my friends...
I'm not dissing nasa at all, simply critisizing them for their money usage.

I won't dissmiss the possibility of a tenth undiscovered planet.
Sometimes we are to cockey with things like this, Thinking if we haven't found it yet it probally doesn't excist.

We find new species of live on our own earth all the time we never saw before.
So a tenth planet in a place we have hardly even started to really explore.
So it is possible that it is outthere and by some reason or just shear bad luck we haven't found it.

Actually it'll either be the 9th Planet or the, er, what is it now? 13th? 14th? All depends how you classify Pluto and the other Kuiper Belt Objects.

Right...my friend.
So I guess one could postulate that we have an infinit amount of planets in our solar system, considering: quarks,atoms,molecules,ect... are somewhat round, than again so are some cops
Terrible isn't it.

Planet X is a large hypothetical planet orbiting beyond the orbit of Neptune. (The X stands for unknown, rather than the Roman number 10.) Its existence, first as a ninth planet and after 1930 as a tenth, was postulated on the basis of apparent discrepancies in the orbits of the gas giants, especially those of Uranus and Neptune. Those discrepancies have largely been resolved by modern measurement, removing the basis for Planet X.

The newly discovered Kuiper Belt object 2003 UB313 is not Planet X either, although the International Astronomical Union may in the future designate it as a tenth planet.

IAU Guidelines for planets. http://www.2003-ub313.info/

There's an abundance of potential forfurther substantial planets. Astronomers have been quoted as saying as such themselves. Luminoity drops off to the power of 4. It gets dark real quick as you look further out. Also, I'm discussing a stellar class lower than brown dwarfs; a sub-brown dwarf, which is more like a denser version of Jupiter. A proper 'dark star'.

SIRTF and WISE should discover it if it's there. IRAS had loads of anomalies, many of which simply were never properluy investigated; the tam ran out of research money not far into the project once all the data was in.

Here's some more thoughts I posted elsewhere, which might raise further thoughts:




Raup and Sepkowki's cycle claims to show extinction level events which occur in a cyclical manner. Some of these are the famous ones we're all familiar with, like the k/T boundary, the Permian Triassic boundary, and the Cambrian event. Then they fill in some of the other dots with less obvious examples and, voila, a theory is born.

Then the astronomy guys got into the act as such a cycle is in their time-bracket. So we got the Nemesis object ploughing through comet clouds and spraying the solar system with debirs, causing extinction level events. Or some speculated that regular carousel rides through the Milky Way arms created similar disturbances.

Your point, though, is the main tumbling block. The cycle appears great on a graph, but some of the data points are a bit sketchy. So many other scientists consider the concept untenable. Other problems exist. The extinction-level events connected with bombardments, like the Permain/triassic and the Late Great Bombardment 3.9 Gyr ago, are events which took place over millions of years, like a sustained series of bombardments.

My argument is that a potential Nemesis-like object acts in a different way. Changes to its orbit creates fluctuations in the energy levels of the other planets (conserving the energies and angular momentum of the solar system as a whole (as an adiabatic model)) and thus causing catastrophism in a different way. So the cyclical effect is irrelevant. The whole thing is more randomly aligned, taking into acount external effects like passing stars, GMCs etc.

Hope this helps, if only to generate more questions.

I guess I should also establish that I favour an object closer to the Sun than the original Nemesis; one that skirts within the Inner Oort Cloud, clearing out the space beyond the EKB.

Dark star! You are talking about a black hole, in the Ort cloud?

Er, no, more like a planet with several times the mass of Jupiter. I call it a 'dark star' because it seems that such an object would be part of a new category of stellar objects which are smaller, and less active, than brown dwarfs. Yet more active than traditional planets.

None of them has yet been observed, so we don't know yet. But such an object would create the right kind of balance to explain a bunch of anomalies, without creating absolute havoc with the rest of the Solar System.

Other people have wondered about 'black holes' though. Personally, I'm sceptical of that possibility.

Where do you get this from?


What anomolies?



What "other people"?

nibiru is rahab angels first place in heaven they lost and anunnaki from nibiru are fallen angels watchers http://www.geocities.com/davebolt777/religion.html

How powerful do you think a telescope needs to be to detect a brown dwarf just beyon Pluto?



Proof? Didnt think so, so stop talking in absolutes.

http://www.letusreason.org/Bahai%2015.htm ABSOLUTES VS. RELATIVISM http://zbh.com/sermons/falangel.htm SATAN AND THE FALLEN ANGELS - Along with all the deceptions and satanic miracles, God will send a strong delusion so that the lost will believe the lie. The purpose of the great delusion that will come upon the world will be to allow the lost to be deceived and perish. Since the lost have rejected the truth they will be given a lie to believe with all their hearts.

Proof? Didnt think so, so stop talking in absolutes.

http://www.fillthevoid.org/Youth/TheBattle...rldgonemad.html RELATIVISM- WORLD GONE MAD ! http://www.carm.org/relativism/relativism_refute.htm refuting relativity !!
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http://www.carm.org/cut/relativism.htm Relativism CUT AND PASTE !
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NEW AGE : new age thinking says there is no one single truth and there is no one reality.that truth is based on experience,so it changes and can differ from person to person.
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if there is no absolute truth,then there must be many contradicting truths and realitys.....fascinating food for thought.......it leads to being comfortable with whatever truth we want.....
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..but on a more practicle leval what diffrence did truth make if one finally discovered it??? or how did we know if there really is such a thing??? and if not,what did anything that anyone believed matter anyways???
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these teachings only gave answers that only raised more questions.............which is called gnostasism and its the same thing as the occult the offering in so called secrets about god etc .
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all we gotta ask ourselves is what are we interested in? truth or whatever just sounds good? http://www.Idolphin.org/unruh/planet/index.html PHAETON the Lost planet

Tim Unruh's Astronomy and the Bible Library (UFO/Alien Phenomena, Phaeton the Planet that Exploded, The Days of Noah) PHAETON PLANET EXPLODED! Bnai elohim,UFOs,the days of noah http://www.ldolphin.org/unruh/index.html

Studies of extra-solar proto-planetary disks are leading astronomers to reconsider the nature of our own solar system. Our Kuiper Belt's shape is anomalous given that se have only one Sun. It would fit better into a binary scenario:


Star Systems Hint at Possibility of Sun's Nemesis By SPACE.com Staff posted: 19 January 2006

"Kalas and Graham speculate that stars also having sharp outer edges to their debris disks have a companion—a star or brown dwarf—that keeps the disk from spreading outward, similar to how Saturn's moons shape the edges of some of the planet's rings."The story of how you make a ring around a planet could be the same as the story of making rings around a star," Kalas said. Perhaps a passing star ripped off the edges of the original planetary disk, but a star-sized companion, remaining in place, would be necessary to keep the remaining disk material from spreading outward, he figures. The scenario has Kalas and his colleagues thinking that the Sun might also have a companion that keeps the Kuiper Belt confined within a sharp boundary. U.C. Berkeley physics professor Richard Muller has proposed such a star, which he calls Nemesis, but no evidence has been found for one".

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0601...iper_stars.html

lol lilly, your bluntness is a refreshing reminder that maybe everyone isnt full of "s*%t". i must say, you and mind freak are, very intrigueing minds. your post.... is perfect, well said.

Also, as regards this Nemesis/Nibiru/PX stuff, according to some it's a planet (and a large one at that), for others it's a brown dwarf star.



However, both of these hypotheses have one thing in common...no evidence has been found for either a big rogue planet or a companion star.

To paraphrase Cuba Gooding Jr. in Jerry McGuire: Show me the evidence!

Alan F. Alford wrote a book, God's of the New Millenium, discussing Nibiru and the ramifications of its existence. His views are modeled partially on Sitchin's work, but I think he's a much more articulate writer.

He has an inventive theory, that a species on another planet in another solar system colonized Nibiru. Nibiru holds a very large orbit, encompassing their solar system, and ours. Nibiru then moves into our solar sytem, with them on it. Eventually, after generations (by Earth reasoning at least, this race are superior and advanced enough to have found an Elixir of Life.... immortality so to speak [he expands on his reasoning for this, citing ancient texts to prove they were immortal, but that's not really the issue here])

This race, finding Earth, currently unpopulated by humans, they colonize it by creating new lifeforms using their DNA.

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Now, not to say that I agree with all of his writings, or indeed much of it at all but it's still an interesting read.

Oh, he also cited sources and reasoning as to where Nibiru is now, and provides evidence for its existence (though I haven't read it in years, so I can't remember what that evidence is, sorry)

Regards, PA

*note i havent fully read the thread*

i was reading on a site and here is some info on it

First seen in 2003 but finally recognised in 2005
Highly elongated orbit around Sun lasting 558 years
Currently positioned some 14.5 billion km from Earth
Has extremely frigid surface temperature of -250C
May have thin atmosphere when closest to Sun
Has moon with unofficial 'codename' of Gabrielle
They say its about 3,000 Km in diameter(give or take 300Km)


^^thats a picture of it


could this be nibiru, im undecided on the existance of planet x. im leaning more twords it being real but i would think it would be alot bigger


and some professors think there could be objects as big as mars in our solar system

"Theories for the formation of our Solar System imply there could be objects as big as Mars out there," commented Professor Alan Fitzsimmons, from Queen's University Belfast.

EDIT: found the site i was on http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4667100.stm

It's Xena, it's Lila, maybe Persephone? It's a planet, it's a TNO, or just a KBO? It's 2003 UB313. Are these Kupier belt objects planets or not? I'm not sure what has been decided in this regard...one thing is for sure though, this object doesn't really fit the description of the mythical Nibiru/Nemesis.