Dr Greer says the reason that aliens have been kept from us is because they have alternative fuels that are clean and renewable. Also Bush has given the go ahead to Build Moon bases, so that he can keep tabs on incoming ufo's, what the hell is going on here?

If we dont need oil, lets forget it and get something else, something renewable and cleaner...I for one dont mind aliens landing here especially if they are going to help us out. If you want to listen to Dr Greer's radio update interveiw click here and scroll down. It explains quite a bit..Paul Heller of Fox news takes the interview, its well woth a listen
http://www.disclosureproject.org/

Yeah, it's not to give humanity a permanent foothold in space or anything.

Yes, we are being kept in the dark.

Also, the U.S. consumes one third of global fuel. Bush and his administration are ignoring the global warming problem by refusing to implement cleaner fuel methods and incentives to Americans to cut down on fuel consumption.

Regarding a base on the moon: "to give humanity a permanent foothold in space"... please, as if we haven't accomplished that during the past fifty years.

And what about the dark side of the moon? Where are photographs of the dark side of the moon? (I've always been curious about that.)

Uh, no, we don't have a foothold in space. There's a difference between brief excursions and stays in a space station and an actual self-sufficient colony.

And how, exactly, do you propose they would have taken pictures of the dark side of the moon? A giant camera flash, perhaps? It could be done now with modern cameras, but why bother? They'd release the photos to the public and nobody would care because it would look just like the regular side of the moon.

well, according to some of the NASA guys at the conference the back-side of the Moon is where the Alien bases are. But please dont shoot the messenger Im just relaying what I have heard and Im not sure I believe it anyway. Just thought it might be worthy of conversation. Oh and by the way, you wanted to know where are the photos of the darkside??? Here you go.....[attachmentid=21496] hehehehe

No, I'm serious. Photos of the dark side of the moon might possibly depict nothing but darkness and a very similiar view of the front side of the moon. However, if there are names for vitually every crater, cavern, rock, etc... why would they not do the same with the other side of the moon? Considering that it is earth's moon, I just thought that we might know more about the whole thing as opposed to the view that we see on a regular basis.

And, yes, we do have a foothold in space. Perhaps we have not colonized the moon or other planets. But our presence is "known". Plus we have an international space station. And what exactly are they doing up there anyway? Months on end to do what exactly?

And I am NOT making an attempt to start an arguement or solicit name calling. I'm curious and I have questions that I don't yet have the answers to. Research on my own might satisfy my mind, but one of the reasons I joined UM was to possibly be educated by other members and/or perhaps be pointed in the right direction to acquire further knowledge.

I wish everyone well. And I respect opinions that differ from my own.

FYI here is an explanation of the "dark side" of the moon.
http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/Academy/UNIVERSE/MOON.HTML

QUOTE

People often refer to "the dark side of the moon", but there is no such thing. The sun shines on all sides of it in turn. However, there is a "far side of the moon" which is never seen from the earth. Over the eons, the gravitational forces of the earth have slowed down the moon's rotation about its axis until the rotational period exactly matches the revolution period about the earth.

You can see this effect by using two round objects such as softballs. Hold one of the balls stationary, to represent the earth. Now move the other ball around the "earth" without twisting your wrist. You will see that people on the "earth" would see all sides of the "moon". However, if you slowly spin the "moon" on its trip around the "earth", you will see that you can time it so only one side of the "moon" is ever seen from the "earth". That's why the features you see on the face of the moon never change.

Rohn

There are many pictures of the far side of the moon,here is one of them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Moon_PIA00304.jpg


About 50,000 Clementine images were processed to produce the four orthographic views of the Moon.

The far side was sometimes referred to as the "Dark Side", due to the lack of human knowledge concerning that hemisphere. The word "Dark" in a cultural context was meant to express a lack of information, rather than the actual lighting conditions.

i think the ''Dark Side'' u all talking about is some "maria" or lunar seas like dried lava seas or large craters like something heheherheeh

This seems to be sort of ridiculous, since the oil companies apparently have no objection to the development of natural gas (I should know, too, because my uncle is an engineer working on designing a small chunk of it for Chevron), and have at least grudgingly allowed the development of a variety of hybrid, relatively low-gas cars.

This whole thing seems kind of...fake. I dont' know about it guys.

--Jon

I'm with gothikchile. It seems too much like a cheap horror film to me. Maybe one Dir en grey would make?
*thinks for a moment*
Nah, they'd make one about facial hair taking over the world. XD Okay, I apologize. Noone's going to understand that but fans of Japanese rock.

I didnt think bad of anything you said cum ere Mwaxxxxx....I see your point I was thinking if its dark there how come NASA officials are claiming that they have seen structures??? On that side? Its a bit strange that no-one ever mentions the back side of the Moon, but now they say that they know that there are structures there??? Hmmm
love n peas jill

Earth's Moon - Apollo 16

Lunar far side and the eastern limb of the Moon

Apollo 16 metric camera image of the Moon's eastern limb and far side. The lower left part of the image shows a portion of the moon visible from Earth. The dark area at the 8:00 position on the edge is Mare Crisium. To the right of that is Mare Smythii. The upper right area shows the heavily cratered lunar far side. The Moon is 3475 km in diameter and North is at 10:30 in this image. (Apollo 16, AS16-3021)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/imgcat/html/obj...a16_m_3021.html

http://gpc.edu/~pgore/astronomy/astr101/moonphas.htm this will explain a lot about the backside of the Moon...its not really that dark at all, its just a term that has stuck over the years....the last link explains it well, I dont believe it...see they always lie to us dont they..I blame Pink Floyd myself..lmao


jill x

The farside of the moon is not dark at all it has day and night just like the "front"

ugh...
i dont know who you've been talking with but for one thing bush an dhis administration are not ignoring global warming problem. There isn't anything we can really do about mother nature...this earth goes thru cycles every 2000 years...what do you expect us to do? Grab an iceberg and tow it into the alantic? get real....see if you must really know most inventions and patents for alternative fuel are owned by the oil company...so what do you suspect us to do about that? Liberals are going to be the downfall to this country. 455 Billions dollar spent into our military....do u really think that all that money is going toward military? I dont think so....we are finding out different methods, but it takes time and people just aren't patient.

oh well then you should know....inside info and all that! however i didnt say the oil companies did I?! No I didnt.....why not take a look at http://www.disclosureproject.org/
then you will know what I was on about...and I didnt mention natural gas either.
I meant other renewable energy that wont run out in preference to oil...and dont forget most ordinary folk are kept in the dark anyhow....including your uncle!

um no well um maybey um....lolol heheheheheee ooooo its horrible and hairy break out the shaver....lmao

great link thanks for posting

Thanks to our reverse engineering of crashed UFO's, we have had this "free energy" and anti-gravity technology for a long time now. The reason they will not allow it to be used is because the entire world is an oil-based economy. If we implemented this technology right now, it would render our entire physical infrastructure obsolete and cause an economic crash and depression so bad that almost everybody would be out of a job (except for like doctors/nurses, teachers, some government employees, etc). But that is only if this was the simple case.

The truth of the matter is that the aforementioned scenario is not the reason we are being kept in the dark. The reality is that mankind is an alien controlled experiment. The moon is a hollow artificial satellite that was placed in our orbit eons ago. There is an alien base on the backside of the moon that the military used to call "Luna" although I'm not sure if they still do or not. The experiment involves our souls. The aliens act the way they do because they do not want us to know they are the ones working behind the scenes. The reason for the massive worldwide coverup of aliens and UFO's and the reason the government will never tell us the truth, is because if mankind gets too close to discovering the experiment, it will be cancelled and started all over again. So basically, if the world were to find out that there is no such thing as a god, all of the alien-created religious structures would collapse, all hell would break loose, our planetary progress and development would come to a screaching halt, and the whole experimental system would be ruined.

whoa your thinking ill give you that

If that's not the MaRy JaNe talking, then you sure do have a good imagination. That doesn't mean it's not true, but may I ask (without getting defensive now...) Why do you believe this? I am just curious, and open to new ideas, so feel free to tell me...



Mind Freak has spoken!

LOL. Well, check out the links below. I believe this to be true because when I was in college I had a professor who was a retired Air Force colonel who had worked on some joint projects with NASA back in the 1960's and 1970's and confirmed to me most of what is said in these transcripts (also posted a while back in another forum). If you think about it it kinda makes everything make sense, including ghosts and others. I'm not expecting for anybody else to believe me, but merely expressing what I personally know to be true.

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/aspie/trueorfalse/johnlear.html

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2003/11/02.html

http://www.rumormillnews.com/SHUTTLE_SHADOW_ARTICLE.htm

http://rumormillnews.com/SOUL%20CATCHER%20ADDENDUM.htm

http://www.greatdreams.com/John-Lear.htm

People are of course free to believe in what ever crack pot ideas thay can come up with or read about on a cook site on the net. You my friend believe in ALL of them.
You said that you whent to college,did you never study physics or science.


Im sure you have been to R.C.H fantasy land,if not, here you go.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/

Yo granny.
Cease and decist your argumentum ad hominems against people you don't know.

I'm not attacking you I'm just stating the obvious,ie -you believe in some wild pseudo crap for wich there is no evidence what so ever.

Let me ask you this,is there a "theory" that you don't believe in,you know,one that seems just a little bit to out there?

Trust me, there is tons of evidence out there for this stuff, but most of it has and never will be released to the public. The only way you'll ever find out about it is if you have some good connections.

Yes, there is actually: The theory that you know it all, I feel is just a little bit too out there.

There are tons of crackpot theories out there wich for there is no credible scientific evidence what so ever.
And I wouldn`t call a cook site on the internet "good connections".



Try to answer as few direct questions as possible.Mimic Richard Hoagland's style and you'll go far.

Sadly, this is very true. Remember, anyone can (and apparently will) put together a good yarn and then insist that it's the absolute truth. Mr. Hoagland is an expert in this type of deceptive reasoning. Now, let's get one thing cleared up, Mr. Hoagland is a public figure who makes his living pandering artifical structures on Mars, alien presence in the solar system etc. To say that his hypotheses, his "theories" if you will, are nonsense (based on belief alone, not solid science) is not an ad hominem remark. An ad hominem remark would be to attack Mr. Hoagland personally, not his arguments.

What needs to be done regarding the various credulous hypotheses, that are all too common here lately, is to apply a good solid dose of critical reasoning. Carl Sagan's Baloney Detection Kit offers us a good method for doing this.



Now, granted regarding some things it's not possible to to engage in experimentation. However, one can search for confirming evidence, one can strive to reason in a logical and critical manner. If an argument is based on nothing more than assumptions and blatantly lacks any factual corroboration, it's just a bunch of anecdotal observations from people saying it's true because they "say so", then it's just not credible.

Also, study science, real science. This will really help when it comes time to look at someone's argument and be able to know if what they are saying actually "holds water", or is just a belief based on nothing remotely valid or scientifically confirmed.

I agree, but (and I hate saying this, for obvious reasons) science isn't always the answer... technically, nothing is certain in science, BUT (big but) without it we would be nowhere near where we are today. So use it, but don't completely rely on it. There are unexplainable things out there that science, has not found a way to figure out yet. Maybe it will just take time, or maybe the "science" as we know it is off, and leading us in the wrong direction. You need to keep this in mind. But you are right Lilly, for most situations, science is the way to go...The only thing you ALWAYS need, is your critical thinking skills. Without them, you are just like the other people out there who claim to have visited planet Nekratopimimum.




Mind Freak has spoken!

Science says if I drop an apple inside my house in a completely normal, everyday situation that it will fall on the floor.

Is this not certain?
If not, my world is crumbling as we speak.

The problem with that site is that, in order to get their main body of information, you have to pay $5 for a cd with their witnesses testimony on it. I didn't see any mention of whether they had any kind of solid, objective evidence outside of witness testimony.

Well, this illustrates the Law of Gravity. In science a 'Law' is about as certain as one can get! So how can the 'Truth' really ever change? Well, it can't. The Universe is still the same as it ever was. When a theory is elevated to a 'Law' means that it agrees with all known experimental evidence and serves to completely explain what we observe happening. But even the best of theories have, time and again, been shown to be incomplete and eventually amended or added on to. Laws are few and far between, most of what we deal with are theories.

Recently, someone implied that skeptics think they "know it all"...actually quite the opposite. I think we really *know* only a limited amount, a great deal is understood only to a point and a good amount is simply unknown. What isn't a good idea (in my opinion, at least) is to use belief to explain what we don't know. This might serve to get one answers, but it doesn't in any way guarantee that said answers even approach the "Truth'.

Whoever said that I said a cook site on the internet was my "good connections?" I know people in the real world who have confirmed what I believe to be true, and this you couldn't even imagine. Of course, I wouldn't expect someone like you to in the first place...

Furthermore, your attack of Richard Hoagland as a person, and not his arguments, IS an argumentum ad hominem. Stick to the issues and not somebody you do not know personally.

Can you give me an example,or are you sworn to secracy by your USAF collonel/professor?



Hoaglands glass worm and face on Mars has been debunked many times,his cydonia is pure fantasy. The enterprise site,I must admit,is entertaining,but has no base in reality.

Richard Hoagland's Nonsense.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/hoagland/index.html

doesnt this remind you of a video game,
i say people who use their brains to think like this need to freaken by some drugs and kill them brain cells because this is tortureeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Well if he said so it must be true.