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because you are supposed to have faith.

To ask the Holy spirit for guidance is to help. We all question. I do. But I don't question someone who has a secular view of religion. If they know how I believe they will answer the way any christian would. Perhaps questioning is what some do all the time. I wish not to do this everyday. Not to where I doubt God.
EmpressV
QUOTE(Rainbow Rowan @ Dec 13 2005, 03:06 PM) [snapback]974016[/snapback]

I wonder if we need the bible at all if the Holy Spirit can provide us with answers in a one-on-one conversation or showing us 'the way' through personal experiences. After all, the Holy Spirit is also God, right?

Welcome to the future. This is how I see believers evolving their spirituality.
Yelekiah
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because you are supposed to have faith.
To ask the Holy spirit for guidance is to help.

Instead of asking for guidance, wouldn't it be more appropriate that you have faith that the Holy Spirit will give guidance? A lot less work on your part too tongue.gif
bacca
QUOTE(101 @ Dec 13 2005, 01:57 PM) [snapback]973999[/snapback]

Who would want to do this? If you believe yes why question?

If you don't then to question and to make others deny their faith to me is something I do not understand.

People study religion- Pastors go to theologian school. They learn a lot. But they never question God even while they know the stuff some do? Why is this?




because to question faith means that you think it may not be true. So to that extent those who are giving their lives to this have to believe it, or else there lives are being given to nothing, an old fairy tale.....but just like that a murder thinks he is doing right, a child molester believes that they love children mote then anyone else. they also do not question what is behind the belief...
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(curiousity @ Dec 13 2005, 01:04 PM) [snapback]974013[/snapback]

101, most of these pastors never get a real account of history in a religious institution. They get dogmatic veiws that don't allow for things that go against there teachings. Some of the newer religious leaders have gone to a secular university and you can tell by the way they relate to religion. The more you learn outside of the church the more you can be real about life and spirituality.



Curiousity this has been well said excellent namaste sheri
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(101 @ Dec 13 2005, 01:07 PM) [snapback]974017[/snapback]

because you are supposed to have faith.

To ask the Holy spirit for guidance is to help. We all question. I do. But I don't question someone who has a secular view of religion. If they know how I believe they will answer the way any christian would. Perhaps questioning is what some do all the time. I wish not to do this everyday. Not to where I doubt God.



101 who would you be asking? Holy just means whole (the whole person) not other than better as you have been taught, so who would you be asking guidance from? yourself the wise aspect of yourself the aware side of your self, why do you need to have an other than to ask guidance from? namaste sheri
101
The holy spirit is God- He is supposed to help you find the answers you seek. My mom told me as well as others that when you are looking for help from God ask him- the holy spirit to guide you to the right place in the Bible. So that you can find what God's wants you to find. Not just looking without knowing.

But since the Holy spirit resides within us we are asking God who is in us what to do?

Rainbow Rowan
QUOTE(101 @ Dec 14 2005, 05:07 AM) [snapback]974017[/snapback]

because you are supposed to have faith.

To ask the Holy spirit for guidance is to help. We all question. I do. But I don't question someone who has a secular view of religion. If they know how I believe they will answer the way any christian would. Perhaps questioning is what some do all the time. I wish not to do this everyday. Not to where I doubt God.

But the Holy Spirit IS God. The Holy Spirit is showing you and helping you, 101. Don't feel bad that you can't get all the answers from a book. The book is not God!! The book tells you about God. God the Holy Spirit is then showing you what you are reading is the truth, in everyday life.

That is the miracle.
101
This is why a christian prays too. To not rely soley on the word of God but God too.

bacca
So with all this believing and praying and what not, do you believe everything that the bible tells you? I have read in different areas the same person say I don't believe that because it sounds bad or evil, even though it comes from the bible. you don't believe in dragons or other mythical beings even though the bible also speaks of them. How do you choose what to follow? how do you choose what to believe? if you just have faith then shouldn't you be of the opinion that the bible says it therefore that is how it is and must be true? if you aren't like that then you don't 100% believe what the bible says right? and if that is true then how can you claim to do just that?
101
Who said I didn't believe in dragons or the evil in the Bible. And what happened. I do. I have no doubt. So this question must be directed at someone else. huh.gif



bacca
the question wasn't put to anyone imparticular....Do you think homosexuals are evil and bad? that impure thoughts are a sin? that pleasures of the mind or body go against your god? that killing is as good a punishment for sinners as anything else?
101
QUOTE(bacca @ Dec 13 2005, 03:28 PM) [snapback]974142[/snapback]

the question wasn't put to anyone imparticular....Do you think homosexuals are evil and bad? that impure thoughts are a sin? that pleasures of the mind or body go against your god? that killing is as good a punishment for sinners as anything else?


Yes I do.

Homsexuality the act is a sin.

Impure thoughts are sin

Pumishment for sin is death- the wager of sin is death.

Pleasures of mind in body as in what?
Pyxis
You know if you read that book right everything is a sin
Yelekiah
QUOTE(bacca @ Dec 13 2005, 03:28 PM) [snapback]974142[/snapback]

Do you think homosexuals are evil and bad?

No. "If a man lieth with another man his blood will be upon him". It never directly says that it is a sin. But even if it did, I wouldn't agree with it. If someone is born a homosexual and they cannot change that, how impartial of God to give them that burden (if it is a sin in his eyes).
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that impure thoughts are a sin?

No, if we didn't have impure thoughts, we wouldn't be here in my opinion.
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that pleasures of the mind or body go against your god?

God told people of the Bible to be "fruitful and multiply". This indirectly encourages pleasure.
bacca
Yes Pyxis you shouldn't enjoy anything or else it is a sin. Sex isn't for anything other then to have children, so remember that all you bible followers if you have ever had sex for any purpose other then to get pregnant you are a sinner and should be put to death......oh wow that sure makes me want to run out and join the followers yes.gif devil.gif
zandore
QUOTE(101 @ Dec 13 2005, 03:36 PM) [snapback]974151[/snapback]

Yes I do.

Homsexuality the act is a sin.

Impure thoughts are sin

Pumishment for sin is death- the wager of sin is death.


If this is how you feel 101 you just passed judgment on someone and sentenced them to death......
Yelekiah
Why then do dolphins have sex for pleasure? And bats, and giraffes? Why would God create such abominable creatures? What's the point?
Pyxis
Better what when you gotta go to the bathroom too.
101
QUOTE(zandore @ Dec 13 2005, 03:42 PM) [snapback]974163[/snapback]

If this is how you feel 101 you just passed judgment on someone and sentenced them to death......

I did not God did. I did not say I would kill them. no.gif
Yelekiah
So you disagree with God. How righteous of you.
Pyxis
I guess that all depends on if you think it's God's Word. I don't. That's too many stupid rules.
bacca
saying a disagree with god is like saying i disagree with santa or the tooth fairy.....it makes no difference he is real to those who believe in him but that doesn't make him real
zandore
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Dec 13 2005, 03:40 PM) [snapback]974157[/snapback]

No. "If a man lieth with another man his blood will be upon him". It never directly says that it is a sin.

Leviticus
20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.



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But even if it did, I wouldn't agree with it.
Nor do I no.gif
Yelekiah
But Santa was real, whether you believed in him or not tongue.gif
He's just dead.
101
QUOTE(bacca @ Dec 13 2005, 03:41 PM) [snapback]974160[/snapback]

Yes Pyxis you shouldn't enjoy anything or else it is a sin. Sex isn't for anything other then to have children, so remember that all you bible followers if you have ever had sex for any purpose other then to get pregnant you are a sinner and should be put to death......oh wow that sure makes me want to run out and join the followers yes.gif devil.gif



This is from Jesus Journal...

Cheap thrills are always an option. Sex brings pleasure, but when it's in the context of God's overall plan for humanity, you'll have joy too. It's the joy we all really want, and sex outside marriage ultimately only detracts from that.

zandore
QUOTE(101 @ Dec 13 2005, 03:44 PM) [snapback]974168[/snapback]

I did not God did. I did not say I would kill them. no.gif

I know that is not how you feel, BUT you did say that it was a sin right?
bacca
St. Nicholas was real....Santa Clause that lives in the north pole and brings presents to children is not........but don't tell my six year old that


same thing as bible believers, it's not real but shhhhh don't say that to loud someone might get upset
101
QUOTE(zandore @ Dec 13 2005, 03:50 PM) [snapback]974181[/snapback]

I know that is not how you feel, BUT you did say that it was a sin right?

Yes it is.

The wager of sin is death- which means death- spiritual I guess. Not physical. When someone continually sins they die and are not known in the eyes of God. He never knows you if you don't know him.
zandore
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Dec 13 2005, 03:48 PM) [snapback]974178[/snapback]

But Santa was real, whether you believed in him or not tongue.gif
He's just dead.

laugh.gif More evidence for him (Saint Nicholas) then there is for Jesus.
zandore
QUOTE(101 @ Dec 13 2005, 03:53 PM) [snapback]974184[/snapback]

Yes it is.

The wager of sin is death- which means death- spiritual I guess. Not physical. When someone continually sins they die and are not known in the eyes of God. He never knows you if you don't know him.

Did you see that verse I posted?

Leviticus
20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
GIDEON MAGE
QUOTE(zandore @ Dec 13 2005, 03:53 PM) [snapback]974185[/snapback]

laugh.gif More evidence for him (Saint Nicholas) then there is for Jesus.

do you know how many legends we have already about lincoln and washington? and they were just here only 200 years ago. it's a zoo trying to seperate fact from fiction on them already. try that after 2000 years.
bacca
QUOTE(101 @ Dec 13 2005, 03:53 PM) [snapback]974184[/snapback]

Yes it is.

The wager of sin is death- which means death- spiritual I guess. Not physical. When someone continually sins they die and are not known in the eyes of God. He never knows you if you don't know him.




so you think someone who has sex outside marriage can't know your god? a person that covets their neighbors things can't know your god? and yet somehow you still can defend this deity? how? what makes this unforgiving, judgmental deity worth all that? I would wager a guess that if that was a person you wouldn't talk to him/her again yet all you people who follow the bible do so and it seems like you don't even understand that all you are saying half the time is hatred and disdain for everyone who doesn't do as you do or believe like you do.....what does that make you? or your precious god?
Yelekiah
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He never knows you if you don't know him.

That contradicts with God being all-knowing.
iaapac
QUOTE(101 @ Dec 13 2005, 04:37 PM) [snapback]974017[/snapback]

because you are supposed to have faith.

To ask the Holy spirit for guidance is to help. We all question. I do. But I don't question someone who has a secular view of religion. If they know how I believe they will answer the way any christian would. Perhaps questioning is what some do all the time. I wish not to do this everyday. Not to where I doubt God.





Do you realize that the Holy Spirit was established by a vote of the early church bishops and was barely passed? How divine is that creation? If the issue had not been presented to the council (to conform with the Egyptian trinity and entice them into the church, btw) the Holy Ghost would never have been known to you.
zandore
QUOTE(GIDEON MAGE @ Dec 13 2005, 03:57 PM) [snapback]974189[/snapback]

do you know how many legends we have already about lincoln and washington? and they were just here only 200 years ago. it's a zoo trying to seperate fact from fiction on them already. try that after 2000 years.

The same religion produced both.
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The true story of Santa Claus begins with Nicholas, who was born during the third century in Patara, a village in what is now Turkey. His wealthy parents, who raised him to be a devout Christian, died in an epidemic while Nicholas was still young. Obeying Jesus' words to "sell what you own and give the money to the poor," Nicholas used his whole inheritance to assist the needy, the sick, and the suffering. He dedicated his life to serving God and was made Bishop of Myra while still a young man.
Source
101
QUOTE(bacca @ Dec 13 2005, 03:57 PM) [snapback]974190[/snapback]

so you think someone who has sex outside marriage can't know your god? a person that covets their neighbors things can't know your god? and yet somehow you still can defend this deity? how? what makes this unforgiving, judgmental deity worth all that? I would wager a guess that if that was a person you wouldn't talk to him/her again yet all you people who follow the bible do so and it seems like you don't even understand that all you are saying half the time is hatred and disdain for everyone who doesn't do as you do or believe like you do.....what does that make you? or your precious god?


They can know God but to continue sinning is seperation from God.

God forgets your sin once you ask for forgiveness. The past is the past.

I am a Christian like it or not. God loves. He may not like sin but he loves us.

How is this hard to understand?

Just because people want to have premartial sex and not marry or want somones things oo badly they are unable to think of God is their way of life. Not the Christian life.
101
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Dec 13 2005, 03:59 PM) [snapback]974192[/snapback]

That contradicts with God being all-knowing.


Doesn't he say when you go to Heaven if you are not in the lambs Book of Life. Depart from me I never knew you- meaning he had no personal relationship to you.

Thank you Iaapacc
Yelekiah
QUOTE(iaapac @ Dec 13 2005, 04:00 PM) [snapback]974196[/snapback]

(to conform with the Egyptian trinity and entice them into the church, btw)

The Egyptian HUHI is thought to inspire IHVH (ancient name of God-YHVH). For both the letters are interchangeable.
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He never knows you if you don't know him.

Either way you see it, he can't be all-knowing if you *have* to have a personal relationship with him.
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God forgets your sin once you ask for forgiveness. The past is the past.

Not if you blaspheme against the Holy Spirit, 101. It isn't pardonable.
101
That is the only unforgivable sin. But yes Yelekiah it is unforgiveable.


Yelekiah
QUOTE(101 @ Dec 13 2005, 04:07 PM) [snapback]974217[/snapback]

That is the only unforgivable sin. But yes Yelekiah it is unforgiveable.

God isn't all merciful if there is an unforgiveable sin. Makes him seem like a crybaby if we call him names.
Then again, the true name is sacred, thought to be used in during the Creation.
101
I was always afraid- what is blasphemy- how do you do this. I have heard that jews don't say or write God. this is blasphemy to them. It is weird. I was told a christian cannot commit this sin. Who knows. How would you do this?

God would think that is someone did this they didn't want him anyway right? So why forgive someone who does not want it?
GIDEON MAGE
QUOTE(zandore @ Dec 13 2005, 04:02 PM) [snapback]974200[/snapback]

The same religion produced both.
Source

great read, that little website-nice reworking of pagan stories to adapt them to the new religion-wait-Nicholas attended the council of constantinople as a Bishop! Aha! So Santa Claus helped invent Jesus! Weird; very weird.
Yelekiah
QUOTE(101 @ Dec 13 2005, 04:14 PM) [snapback]974224[/snapback]

I have heard that jews don't say or write God. this is blasphemy to them.

They use "Adonai" instead of pronouncing the Tetragrammaton. It is thought that if you pronounce it correctly, you can make creations and undo creations. Not so much of a taboo as it used to be though.
101
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Dec 13 2005, 04:18 PM) [snapback]974232[/snapback]

They use "Adonai" instead of pronouncing the Tetragrammaton. It is thought that if you pronounce it correctly, you can make creations and undo creations. Not so much of a taboo as it used to be though.

The intercessors at church say this word. She is very intune to God. She prayed for me once and said stuff noone knew- not even Momma. no.gif
bacca
and ya'll don't find these little dos and don'ts silly? a bit superstitious? It doesn't matter to me personally one way or another what someone believes until they try to impose those beliefs onto me because they feel they are justified in doing so, it is that alone that makes people get tired or fed up with certain religious groups....keep your personal faith away from me and it'll be just fine if you can't do that then you must learn to deal with people telling you exactly what they think of you in return. In my life I have found that there in is the problem. In the area in which I live christians feel they have some god given right to control everything and add god to everything regardless of what others think or feel and if you say anything negative about them you are damned to hell......and the sad part is if you pay attention their god would say that's ok.......
101
No the do's and don't s are not silly at all. It is only silly when you don't live it.

I do not impose my beliefs on anyone. If they ask I share. I thought that sharing was growing.

I suppose that living a secular life is fun- everyone has at least once- whether it be for 2 months or 20 yrs. It is just a way that can destroy you in the long run. People make choices that can affect their life dramastatically. I think when people live a sinful life - they can either have consequences or not. Some have none. It depends.
Yelekiah
QUOTE(101 @ Dec 13 2005, 04:23 PM) [snapback]974240[/snapback]

The intercessors at church say this word. She is very intune to God. She prayed for me once and said stuff noone knew- not even Momma. no.gif

She says Adonai? Nothing wrong with that-it isn't blasphemous, 101.

QUOTE(bacca @ Dec 13 2005, 04:25 PM) [snapback]974245[/snapback]

and ya'll don't find these little dos and don'ts silly? a bit superstitious?

Of course they are but you have to think they are there for a reason tongue.gif


bacca
so just because someone doesn't live the life of god they are sinful? that is a rather judgmental statement don't you think? I have learned that trying to live your life for anyone or anything other then you is impossible. Which is probubly why those who try to follow the bible are misserable but at least you always have someone to blame when things go wrong. you never have to blame yourself becuase the devil made you do it....that one is funny to me as well. Life is choices and you make tons everyday. God can't make you good he can't make you right or happy only you can do that. God can't get you a job or make you beautiful and he sure can't fix all your problems. I don't care how much you pray life will still happen unless you want to leave life become a nun and hide in a convent for the rest of your life. That way you can say god gives me the same things everyday and I always no what to expect. Yeah god does that lol
101
Most likely a person who is not saved would be sinning if they have sex before marriage etc.

If not why not be Christian lol.

I wanted to be a nun. But I can't because I like sex and I could not be one. To burn with pleasure is what I would do- making me want to sin.
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