Pison
Dec 13 2005, 07:35 PM
I just got off the phone with Robert Babcock, the head of Beineke Library at Yale. They are NOT interested in what I know about the Voynich.
In fact, he told me to put what I know out on a website and go about "solving" the manuscript that way.
Basically..."Go and put your ideas out in public, and have them take your ideas and run with them"
So here ya go...Would you like to know how to solve parts of the Voynich?
I believe there are SEVEN ways to "decode" the Voynich. I am prepared to show everyone at least four of those ways.
Of course, someone will then steal my ideas, but who gives a f***, huh? Yale will not listen to you either. They charge $40 per request for a copy of the Voynich, and they get around 100 requests per month. That's over $30,000 per year. THIS is why they do NOT want to Voynich "solved", because the money will stop coming in, the library will stop getting it's montly number of visitors.........money, money, money.
Here we go.
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 07:38 PM
Good idea. They can go screw themselves

So other than 234-235 pg/7=33.etc
Why do you believe they are the seven scrolls in Revelation?
Pison
Dec 13 2005, 07:44 PM
Because there are many different ways to interpret the ideas hidden in the Voynich. I know of at least 4, possibly 5. I can not decode the entire text, which would be the sixth (I can place at least 20 words--but I need a better look at one page...ie. help from the people who OWN the book).
Pison
Dec 13 2005, 07:45 PM
But, yeah, I have no problem "outing" the book now.
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 07:49 PM
Sure let's crack this mf.

I really need to see some of the drawings though. But a lot of what I know was from the previous thread floating around here somewhere. Possible author (one of many) being Da Vinci. And there are some words supposedly decoded. Don't know which ones.
In my opinion, it is a vast alchemical text.
Pison
Dec 13 2005, 07:56 PM
One of the other authors is Galileo.
DaVinci was one as well.
I'll link some pictures here, as to begin the objectivity. And if I seem a little "sharp", it's because I am really pissed off.

But, they use the word censor here (as I just found out) so, Itsallgood!
EDIT:
Can we say "pissed on"?............Cool!
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 08:00 PM
I'm pretty pissed on.
I'll put up as many pics as possible.
"When two or more gather in my name, I am there..."
Sorry for the cheesy dialogue, but I truly do think there is strength in numbers.
Pison
Dec 13 2005, 08:04 PM
^ one is interesting. It shows the steps inside each emanation of the tree of life inside the root.
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 08:10 PM
Here are a few more.


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It shows the steps inside each emanation of the tree of life inside the root.
Is it meant to be similar to the Kabbalistic Tree of Life, like Malkuth, Kether, etc? Or just a Christian reinvention?
Pison
Dec 13 2005, 08:15 PM
It's just supposed to get your mind going in that direction. Start the roots.
Most religion leads back to one thing....paradise, or eternal life.
Here:


Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 08:18 PM
Actually you're right. The bottom of the root would be Malkuth (the Kingdom).
It's still a bit difficult to make out the writing.

But people say that this pic is supposed to represent the Milky Way Galaxy

Pison
Dec 13 2005, 08:20 PM
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But people say that this pic is supposed to represent the Milky Way Galaxy
This is at the center of that image:

PLEASE! Someone else tell me they recognize that.
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 08:26 PM
Is that the sun?

That pic is very fuzzy, Pison. But here are closer photographs of the actual text.

And a single word.

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Pison
Dec 13 2005, 08:26 PM
1st Seal: Every religion (except
one) are siblings, some look more like their brothers and sisters more than others, but they all come from the same root, and seed.
It is broken when all of them see this fact and
desire to meet their parents.
I'll be back later.....perhaps.
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 08:28 PM
Good, we might as well whip out Biblical scriptures. See you later,
but I have no idea where to start "cracking" it. I'll see if it bears any similarity to Da Vinci's writing though.
Pison
Dec 13 2005, 08:30 PM
I have already "cracked" it. No need in searching any further. This is the point.
EDIT:
And pages move on....This medium is probably not going to work.
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 08:31 PM
Well if you cracked it spill the beans, Pison. Don't have everyone else waiting in the dark.
Personally, I don't have a clue what the text is saying. I'm sure you haven't craked that part.
Rainbow Rowan
Dec 13 2005, 09:05 PM
The pics also seem to represent alchemy symbols
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 09:15 PM
I'm fairly certain it is an alchemical text. Perhaps the key to the Philosopher's Stone or something with closer relations to the Kabbalah. In both, it's about spiritual ascension. Like a ladder.


There are trees in medieval art that are far similar to the Tree of Life, so this doesn't surprise me.
Rainbow Rowan
Dec 13 2005, 09:20 PM
I also had a thought that the letters looked a bit like numbers. In hebrew each alphabetic character also represents a number. I wonder if it can be translated this way...
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 09:22 PM
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Rainbow Rowan
Dec 13 2005, 09:24 PM
Here are 2 more pics to compare to Yelekiah's pics above...also from alchemical pics.
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 09:43 PM
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Pison
Dec 13 2005, 09:49 PM
The "numbers" seen in the "text" are:
40.........8.........& 2
or, 48 & 2. Yes, this "text" is a way to transmutate something, but nothing outside of our bodies.
"In my shadow..."
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 09:56 PM
Well a lot of us have elements literally within our bodies. But I think that it may be something that is outside of our bodies. Otherwise, this person or group of people, wouldn't go through the trouble of creating a code for it. It has to be imperative.
Wilf
Dec 13 2005, 10:10 PM
You've got my attention so are you going to explain your findings or is it all a hoax?
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 10:16 PM
Well there were many alchemical texts written throughout the Middle Ages and on (Nicolas Flamel, etc). The difference with this one, other than numerical coincidences according to Pison, is the code that it is written in. If it is a hoax, it was well done.
Pison
Dec 13 2005, 10:17 PM
I was told to go to a website and present my findings. This is a difficult task to accomplish using a text based medium (no pun intended).
It would be much easier to speak these things, as I suck with words. With verbal language, being a little vague is allowed, because facial expressions can play into the information outpouring.
If that makes any kind of sense.
The 48 (&2) is where we end up after this next "jump".
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 10:20 PM
40...8....2?
How do you get 48?
Why not 50?
Pison
Dec 13 2005, 10:22 PM
We are sitting at 46 now (23 X's, and 23' Y's)....waiting for the next two.
Yes, that is another Seal....DNA structure.
Pison
Dec 13 2005, 10:25 PM
Hmm...now I have to go and watch my son AND the neighbor's kids.
Again, this medium sucks. Thanks Yale.
Yelekiah
Dec 13 2005, 10:26 PM
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Wilf
Dec 13 2005, 10:36 PM
Sorry you couldn't get your points across, would have been interested in your thinking, good luck anyhow
Rainbow Rowan
Dec 13 2005, 11:04 PM
QUOTE(Pison @ Dec 14 2005, 08:22 AM) [snapback]974319[/snapback]
We are sitting at 46 now (23 X's, and 23' Y's)....waiting for the next two.
Yes, that is another Seal....DNA structure.
OK, so how did we jump from the numbers 40, 8, and 2 to 23?
And what's more how did 15th century artists and poets know about DNA chromosomes? Or the writers of Revelation know to put that as one of the seals?
Where, pray tell, are we getting 2 more chromosomes from? Aliens?
Vidgange
Dec 13 2005, 11:07 PM
Sorry for being stupid, but what is this Voynich scriptures that you speak of?

I'm outa town
Rainbow Rowan
Dec 13 2005, 11:13 PM
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Yelekiah
Dec 14 2005, 12:53 AM
edited
Rainbow Rowan
Dec 14 2005, 01:43 AM
Is that a channelled interview?
If so, we cannot trust that it is THE truth. Channellers can be influenced by their own thoughts and beliefs and prior knowledge. Channellers can also mistakenly 'listen to' their own higher selves which they think is another being.
Yelekiah
Dec 14 2005, 01:47 AM
No, one of them is an author.
Rainbow Rowan
Dec 14 2005, 02:08 AM
I'm not trying to discredit your source, but I am fascinated by where he might have gotten his information.
Yelekiah
Dec 14 2005, 02:11 AM
The author, if you don't know already, is the same one that makes a comment in the intro to the Emerald Tablets.
I was shown the interview via pm. It says that in my post.
Rainbow Rowan
Dec 14 2005, 02:18 AM
No I didn't know that. I saw that it was from pm, but I meant where Drunvalo Melchizedek got his information from. I was just wondering about the source.
Yelekiah
Dec 14 2005, 02:20 AM
I'm sure like many authors he cites the sources in the Bibliography of his books.
Yelekiah
Dec 14 2005, 02:29 AM
Here is Da Vinci's famous backward's writing. From a distance, this and the Voynich manuscript may appear similar. But in my opinion, not similar enough to be conclusive.
SecondHeartbeat
Dec 14 2005, 02:33 AM
so,is there a link between leonardo da vinci and the voyniche manuscript?
sorry if i misspelled
SecondHeartbeat
Dec 14 2005, 02:34 AM
or the da vinci code and the manuscript?
Rainbow Rowan
Dec 14 2005, 02:35 AM
Here is a
link comparing Da Vinci's drawing of a deer with the Voynich's Document's drawing of Aries.
IMO if it was Da Vinci his pictures might be more detailed.
(This picture was from the original
link from my other post)
Yelekiah
Dec 14 2005, 02:36 AM
Oh, definitely. A lot of people speculate that he wrote the manuscript, or a portion of it at least.
http://www.edithsherwood.com/People also believe that he created the Shroud of Turin because of the "occulus". But I'm not sure that this is consistent with carbon dating.
Rainbow Rowan
Dec 14 2005, 02:43 AM
More
pics and
here.
I didn't realise they looked mostly botanical in nature.
Yelekiah
Dec 14 2005, 02:50 AM
1I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals. Then I heard one of the four living creatures say in a voice like thunder, "Come!" 2I looked, and there before me was a white horse! Its rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.
3When the Lamb opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature say, "Come!" 4Then another horse came out, a fiery red one. Its rider was given power to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other. To him was given a large sword.
5When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. 6Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, "A quart[a] of wheat for a day's wages,[b] and three quarts of barley for a day's wages,[c] and do not damage the oil and the wine!"
7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, "Come!" 8I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, "How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?" 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and brothers who were to be killed as they had been was completed.
12I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.
15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?"-Revelation 6:1-16
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