I'd like to see what comments I get on this.



New World Order

It is not my intention here to make a political statement. I have come under attack for exposing this, but this motivates me all the more.
We often hear the hysterical ranting of xians who claim “Satan” is going about setting up a “New World Order” where human beings will be bar-coded like cattle and lose all of their freedoms and rights. This NWO is said to be a “one world communist state.” Xianity has a history of blaming the Devil for everything they do not agree with or in reality, their own crimes against humanity. This article is not written to make any political statements; only to set deluded individuals straight. With enough research and just plain common sense, Satan has nothing to do with this, whatsoever. It is judeo/xian inspired, the Catholic Church, National and World Council of Churches (of which most Protestant Churches belong to and support) are working for it, funneling the bulk of their contributions into it for politics, and are at the uppermost levels abusing occult power to achieve these ends. Of course, with the incessant blame-shifting, one will often hear from deluded xians: “Oh no!! That’s NOT MY church!!” The Protestants condemn the Catholics; completely ignoring the fact that their religions in many respects parallel Catholicism and ALL xian sects had their origins in the original xian church- the Catholic Church.

To summarize, Satanism does not place restrictions upon people. Satan advocates individuality, freedom and the advancement of the human race. Satan does not represent chaos, as some believe. One must know him to appreciate this. Satan is very consistent.

Deluded xians and others readily blame Satan and “Satanists” when it comes to the subject of being “bar-coded” like animals. To begin with, if one would look with open eyes, one can see these are not teachings of Satan, but of the judeo/xian bible where people are referred to as “sheep,” one’s body is the property of “god,” one’s sex life, one’s desires and lusts, who one is having intercourse with and so many other things THAT ARE INSIGNIFICANT TO ONE’S SPIRITUAL ADVANCEMENT are made issues of in the judeo/xian bible.

Now how about chaos? Look to the endless contradictions and of course, the teachings of the nazarene:

He stole (Luke 19: 29-35; Luke 6: 1-5),
He lied (Matthew 5:17; 16: 28; Revelation 3: 11)
He advocated murder (Luke 19: 27)
He demanded one of his disciples dishonor his parents and family (Luke 9: 59-62)
These are just a small sampling of commandments he not only set a bad example by breaking, but ordered others to do so as well. Contradictions such as these in religious teachings set the stage for confusion and chaos.

The number of xian sects who violently disagree with and condemn each other speak for themselves, not to mention all of the life-altering wars that are essential to this NWO, nearly all were incited by xianity and had to do with that religion. Forgiving one’s neighbor endlessly “seventy times” as the nazarene taught and turning the other cheek encourages nothing but chaos and crime. People are indoctrinated on how to be prefect slaves and victims. Their own bodies are the property of some alien who decides their inner-most thoughts, desires and sexuality. As for the idea of people being bar coded, DON’T BLAME SATAN!!

Xians and others are so quick to blame shift- “it’s the Catholics,” “Oh, no! it’s the Protestants!” They cannot comprehend this sort of thing is and has been for centuries happening in their own churches and is the entire theme of their own bible. They have been contributing to it financially, psychically and spiritually. BE A SLAVE! It is much easier for them to blame Satan than it is for them to realize they have been deceived by their own “god” and their own ministry. Satan has been conveniently used both as a distraction and as a scapegoat for centuries by the xian churches. Just blame everything on Satan, preach to the world that they are “good” “humanitarian” and above all “God.” A lie repeated and enforced often enough will eventually be believed, no matter how ludicrous it is. Trillions and trillions of dollars have been channeled into promoting this lie publicly, while their top religious leaders clandestinely work to enslave the world as they have in the past through their root, the Catholic Church. The Protestants no different with their Salem Witch Trial murders and compulsory church attendance in Colonial America. FREEDOM IS NOT IN ANY WAY COMPATIBLE WITH JUDEO/XIANITY!!

Xianity is not spiritual in any respect. They are in truth a political institution posing as a religious/spiritual front. Followers are deceived into living for their death, giving up all occult knowledge and power so they are defenseless and harmless against those who have this knowledge, power and know how to use it. They are deluded into thinking their “god” will punish these people when all along, they have been prepared through generations to be mindless slaves and their souls have through generations of rejecting true spirituality, atrophied in power. The goal is nearly accomplished and will succeed if these idiots won’t wake up.

I read where Billy Graham’s churches now have DVD and plush loudspeaker systems with stereo. What does this have to do with spirituality? Their front of xian charity is a joke. Most of the donations, which total in the trillions of dollars, are funneled into the World Council of Churches where they are used politically, for funding wars and other terrorist activities. Secular organizations such as the local county welfare agencies are the ones who in truth do the most for the needy. This comes out of the pockets of the taxpayers, NOT the xian churches.

The leaders of both Christianity and totalitarian governments themselves are incredibly materialistic.
When we look at the Catholic Church through the centuries, we find that as they were bleeding the last bit of money from poverty stricken families, widows and even generations of families who were targeted by the inquisition, the church itself was amassing and hoarding gold, silver, valuable knowledge, artifacts, and precious gems in unbelievable quantities.

In addition to taking in and gathering all the gold, silver and other valuables it was able to confiscate, the Catholic Church acquired huge amounts of real estate; most of this was also accomplished through the mass murders and extortion carried out by the Inquisition. The Catholic Church today is undoubtedly the most exceptionally wealthy institution on the face of the earth. The amount of money, land, treasures, artifacts, and other material holdings of the Catholic Church alone is beyond the stretch of the imagination.

Even through the Dark Ages when poverty was widespread, mostly because of xianity itself, we find these huge and fabulously wealthy cathedrals, built in the midst of the extreme deprivation of the populace, with altars and apses made of gold with ornately decorated vaults, columns and walls. Magnificent basilicas, cathedrals, abbeys, baptisteries, monasteries, convents, and churches were built. Practically all of these were so lavish and so huge in comparison with the meager surroundings of the times, that they flamboyantly stood out as the main repository of all the material wealth — gold, silver and architectural lavishness — of both their era and their geographical location.

The Catholic Church during the Dark Ages established itself as the unconditional ruler over all of Europe. The Catholic Church had complete dominion over kings and queens, the military and ruled by terror. No one was free in any respect. Knowledge was destroyed and/or removed from the populace, because to create a perfect slave state, slaves must be illiterate and without power.

The mass murders committed by Josef Stalin, Mao Tse-Tung, and other totalitarian dictators were repeats of the xian inquisition. The names and the faces change, but it is still the same agenda with the same people. Mao marched on Tibet, murdering and torturing native Tibetans en masse. The Chinese Army, under orders from Mao traversed steep mountains and dangerous terrain for the primary purpose of destroying ancient knowledge, regardless of what the history books claim. The Tibetan monasteries, because of the surrounding Himalayan Mountains, have been secluded from the rest of the world and as a result were able to keep ancient knowledge out of the control of the destructive xians. Anyone who has any serious knowledge or spiritual power is a threat to the state. Slaves must neither possess knowledge nor have access to occult power. Knowledge and power are kept in the hands of the controlling few. Of course, Billy Graham’s “East Gate Ministries” was permitted to flood China with bibles; a project that totaled in the millions of dollars- all tax-exempt.

The concept of world domination by a select group who rule with an iron fist and use mass murder and terror to achieve their ends is spelled out through the entire judeo/xian bible.

Concepts: The state owns and controls all property. Listed below are parallels and teachings in the judeo/xian bible: Your body isn’t your own; it is the property of “god.”

Don’t have sexual urges, if you do, the owner of your body will do as he pleases with it and “cast it into Hell” (Rule by terror): Matthew 5: 27-30
The “lord” has control over all of your personal relationships: Matthew 19: 9
No freedom of speech: Matthew 5: 33-37; 12: 36
Let them throw you in prison: Matthew 5: 25
Don’t defend yourself or fight back; be the perfect slave: Matthew 5: 39-44; Luke 6: 27-30; 6: 35
The meek make the best slaves; “meek” means “submissive”: Matthew 5: 5
Live for your death, never mind the life you have now. This is a classic on how to run a slave state. Life is not worth fighting for: Matthew 5: 12
Break up the family unit to create chaos: Matthew 10: 34-36 Luke 12: 51-53
Let the chaos reign: Matthew 18: 21-22
Don’t own any property: Matthew 19: 21-24; Mark 12: 41-44 Luke 6: 20; 6: 24; 6: 29-30
Forsake your family- “Father, mother, sisters and brethren” this is what a totalitarian state demands of and rewards children for who turn in their parents to be executed: Matthew 19: 29
More slavery and servitude: Exodus 21:7; Exodus: 21: 20-21; Leviticus: 25:44-46; Luke 6: 40- the state is perfect. Luke 12: 47; Ephesians: 6:5; Colossians: 3:22; 1 Timothy: 6: 1; Titus 2: 9-10; 1 Peter 2:18
The nazarene, much like the teachings in the Old Testament, demanded complete and total obedience and enforced this concept through fear and terror. Preachers delude their congregations into believing “jesus loves you.” They scream and whine “out of context” but they are the ones who miss the entire message and are “out of context.”
The nazarene never taught humanity anything for independence or advancement. Xians rave about how this entity healed the afflicted, but he never taught anyone how to heal themselves or to even understand the nature of disease. He surrounded himself mainly with the ignorant and the servile. The xian religion holds the mentally retarded in high regard.
The true evil one is the master of deception and lies; “he deceiveth the world.” Paying for one’s own damnation is a common theme here. HIS NAME IS NOT SATAN/LUCIFER, BUT YAWEH/JEHOVA!!

Xians have stripped themselves of all occult power and understanding, have financed and worked for all of this for centuries and now they blame it all on the Devil. They cannot see it is their own “god” and nazarene.

Occult knowledge can be used by anyone for any purpose. Any fool can readily see the above is not of Satan, nor does it have anything to do with him and these so called “occult groups” are infiltrated from top to bottom by Catholic Jesuits and others who wish to delude those who might be Luciferian or Pagan and keep them under their control. This can be seen with their judeo/xian occult symbols, Jehova/YHVH “god” names and angels.

It is obvious in addition to all of this, the Catholic Church was enraged by the revelation of the pedophilia scandals. These actions were planned and deliberate. The pope and high-ranking clergy acted indignant and spiteful when exposed to the world. They were anything but sorry. We all know child rape makes for unstable personalities and these are needed to add to the chaos for fulfillment of their objectives. Deluded people who are spiritually and psychologically lost.

So not to start a religious debate...and?

Nothing I ever heard about NWO has anything to do with Satan, btw.

Cool views anyway.

--Jon

theres alot of christian based sites that mention NWO/Satan connection. most are just little tow bit sites but still

Most of the theories I've heard dealt with corrupt government and the Illuminati, which were anything from an "underground society" to, I guess devil worshippers.

--Jon

this one particular part stood out to me:
from what ive read, much of the medieval roman catholic church's holdings came from donations from dying nobles who wanted to make themselves feel better about getting into heaven and donated land and money to the church.
i remember reading this in Barbara Tuchman's A Distant Mirror, if anyone cares.

Wow, calling how Christians slaves. How disrespectful to other's beliefs.

Demoness-allow me to welcome you with open arms to the forum. I am sorry that you irritated the others so much that they didn't welcome you. My only disagreement is to defend the Jews. There is no such thing as "judeo-xian" anything. Jews were an oppressed minority during the dark ages. they survived because they believed in literacy, learning, and religious freedom. We have many volumes of literature called the talmud to testify centuries of debate among jewish authorities. Again, welcome.

If that were true, then double-shame on the church for taking money from the rich, and using it to build themselves huge palaces, while poor people starved to death on the steps.

Footnote: Something Like Laughter has yet to respond in defense of theodosius. I await.

Thank you for the very warm welcome.
Ya know, if they dont believe at least a little bit of what I said then why do they seem so threatened by me?

And by the way ZeroShadow I only give christians as much respect as they give me and my religon.

Demoness welcome to the Board. I am a Unitarian of a Christian Sect. I dont consider myself a slave to anyone. Your comments threw off the church a fair bit and i do see your point.I personally ignore the church's teachings, i dont attend lectures. I appreciate churches/cathedrals that gather tremendous external and internal beauty, but for what they have to say...I really dont care for it much. What i believe is that Gods kingdom is in ones self and not in a man made construct. So you do hold a few vaild points but you seem to have a narrow view of Christians.

I do have narrow views, but its mostly because of the way I was treated when I used to go to church. I grew up Catholic and went to church all the time with my family, no one ever liked me there one for the way I dressed. I wore all black even as a kid from like age 9 on.
Everyone treated me like I WAS the bloody devil. The preacher even tried to do some things to me so yeah its not just little boys theydo that sh*** to. Eventually I was kicked out of the church.

So anyway, yeah I'm sorry if I offended people I do that without really meaning to at the time.

Wow! That was an interesting article you wrote.

Welcome to UM

It's going to be interesting discussing things with you, because I disagree with the majority of what you have to say. But you have done your homework it seems. I have not read the whole bible and didn't verify the verses you posted so I'll take your word on those for the time being.

You are aware of the new world order. Do you think it's being set up by Christians to gain more slaves or control? Personally I think yes people representing Christians are involved in the creation of the new world order. Many of our leaders are wolves in sheep's clothing or impostor.

"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider god-fearing and pious."
--Aristotle

They are not really Christians and are actually worshipping the same god you are. Many of our leader, and pretty much all as you get towards the top of the power structure are involved in the occult. It's your people who are setting up the new world order not true Christians. The Christian label is just the front.

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."
--Benjamin Disraeli, (first Prime Minister of England), in a novel he published in 1844 called Coningsby, the New Generation

"The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and exercise power from behind the scenes."
--Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952


You seem to think the Catholic Church is running the world from behind the scenes. Is it corrupt?, yes I think so, and I grew up Catholic. I believe is has progressively been corrupted from it's true teaching of pure love. I don't think the Church is at the top of the power structure personally though. I think groups of people mad at the power of the church banded to gether to fight the church, compete against it and eventually corrupt it and take over from the top-down. I put more of the blame on the ones who rose against the Catholic Church, the bankers. Usury. The Rothschild banking family, the Rockefellers and others I think are more to blame.

“Banking was conceived in iniquity and was born in sin. The Bankers own the earth. Take it away from them, but leave them the power to create deposits, and with the flick of the pen they will create enough deposits to buy it back again. However, take it away from them, and all the great fortunes disappear, and they ought to disappear, for this would be a happier and better world to live in. But, if you wish to remain the slaves of Bankers and pay the cost of your own slavery, let them continue to create money and control credit. ― Sir Josiah Stamp (Pres. of the Bank of England in the 1920’s, and the second richest man in Britain.)

"History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance."
--James Madison (4th US President) (1751-1836), Father of the Constitution for the USA

"Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws."
--Amschel Mayer Rothschild, 1773-1855

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce."
--James A. Garfield 20th President of the United States


So if you think Christians are responsible for the new world order does that mean you are against it? The creation of the world government is what happens in the end days, which I think we are living. Here is a description of what people will act like, according to the bible:





What can you tell me about Satan, and his followers? I would be very interested. I don't think we have had a dedicated Satanist on these boards since I can remember. I would really like to know about living a Satanic life.

if you are referring to me there, then you should not interpret attempts to correct your mistakes as someone being threatened. that seems to be a popular defense ive come across from time to time. if you werent referring to me, then i guess you can just ignore this.

Thats pretty disgusting. Its stupid how the Christian faith says not to judge, and Christians can be the most judgemental people on the face of the earth. You wore all black- big deal?
Black is a color- not a feeling or emotion or anything. I cant believe the preacher tried to do something to you, thats so degrading not only on his terms as a man, but on the Churchs' terms. Its a shame thats what it came down to- some churches are like that.

Whether it was the article's intention or not, it is what has happened.

Like your other thread, I can't say I agree too much with it. I have to disagree with the context of the Bible passages you quoted (yeah zandore, I know - cliche answer 32 or something, right?). But since I don't want to hijack this thread from its intended purpose, I'll leave it be. There are plenty of other threads where those exact passages have been put to question, refuted, reused, recycled, and reposted.

I suppose the first thing that struck me was the whole barcoding issue. This is by no means a mainstream Christian view. Various people do hold this belief, and advocate it, write about it, warn about it, but it is not a doctrine in any of the major belief structures. Indeed there are many interpretations of Revelation (where this belief comes from), and you'll find as many different interpretations as there are people who have read it.

I think you'll find it hard to support with evidence that this specific agenda is being pushed with the moneys collected through the council of churches.

Oh, and don't even get me started on the Stalin/Mao Zedong references. These guys never even claimed to follow Christianity.

Regards, PA

Thats interesting, because thats what the illuminati is about. They don't believe in any religion but there not against it; it keeps humanity distracted from the truth, namely, us...I mean them! <.< >.>

Peculiar and interesting thread. Welcome.

I do agree with many of the things you have stated. Although everything written in the Bible can be put in any context the reader sees fit, it and the stereotypical Catholic and general Christian religious leader or anyone important has put things in a twisted context.

TV Ministers flood the airwaves with unreasonable passages of the Bible and almost brutally "New Age" views of such things: although entirely for selfish, greedy purposes. The minds of those who watch such shows and attend such events are molested by half-truths, lies all together, and false emotions.

Satan and God or whatever name they may be given is a creation of Christianity. As both good and evil are possibly the most subjective things in existance, one is never really on a true "side", simply agrees with a generalized opinion. The "Holy" Pope may really be "Unholy" in my eyes, but that does not change that he is Pope: a subservient and avatar of God, as well as one of the most well known and religiously influential people on the face of the Earth.

A New World Order is an abomination to what Christianity is generally percieved as. The breaking of all of their scripture, rules, dogma, and guidelines, and what seems like a hell for believers. Such beliefs in some "New World Order" are those held by usually paranoid and blind Christians or devotees who flee from objective truth and reason like frightened lambs.

I am not a follower of any religion or spirituality, and I applaud you for finding your way out of the labryinth that is the Church and away from the ravenous, erotic minotaur that is the Preist.

I used to get into satanism however I find that the satanic bible has too much faith in freudism and not enough faith in altruism. Also it lays claim that consciousness is a product of the brain which there isn;t even any scientific proof of and also such a model of belief leaves no room for real spirituality. The satanic bible mainly dwells too much on being anti-organised religion instead of just shedding light on it's own beliefs. Though I must admit that the book itself is VERY WELL WRITTEN with strong in your face prose.

But on the topic, it is the sahpe-shifting reptilians i am convinced of that are setting up the New world order. This is a plan thousands of years in the making. I suggest for more info visit www.davidicke.com

Also on another note Christianity is really a perennial philosophy and because of this it has produce a succession of enlightened saints. The perennial philosophy has been overlaid too much hence the preoccupation with events in time instead of the eternal now knowledge.

Abbot John Chapman said this about St John of the Cross: "The Abbot(Chapman is apparently refering to Abbot Marmion) says St John of the Cross is like a sponge full of Christianity. You can squeeze it all out, and the full mystical theory(in other words, the pure perennial philosophy) remains. Consequently for fifteen years or so I hated St John of the Cross and called him a Buddhist. I loved St Teresa and read her over and over again. She is a first a Christian, only secondarily a mystic. Then I found I had wasted fifteen years, so far as prayer was concerned."

In those respects in which the soul is unlike God, it is also unlike itself.----St. Bernard

The soul is in itself a most lovely and perfect image of God.---St. John of the cross

Thou must love God as not-God, not-spirit, not-person,not-image, but as He is, a sheer, pure absolute One, sundered from all two-ness, and in whom we must eternally sink from nothingness to nothingness.----Meister Eckhart

The knower and the known are one. Simple people imagine that they should see God, as if He stood there and they here. This is not so. God and I, we are one in knowledge.--Meister Eckhart



Your own self is your own Cain that murders your own Abel. For every action and motion of self has the spirit of Anti-Christ and murders the divine life within you. ---William Law

For my part, I think the chief reason which prompted the invisible God to become visible in the flesh and to hold converse with men was to lead carnal men, who are only able to love carnally, to the healthful love of his flesh, and afterwards, little by little, to spiritual love.--St.Bernard

The holy light of faith is so pure that, compared with it, particular lights are but impurities; and even ideas of the saints, of the Blessed Virgin, and the sight of Jesus Christ in his humanity are impediments in the way of the sight of God in His purity.---J.J.Olier

The city of God is made by the love of God pushed to the contempt of self; the earthly city, by the love of self pushed to the contempt of God.---St Agustine

A soul pure in God is God.--The philokalia(christian mysticism text)

Behold, the kingdom of God is within you.---Jesus

Welcome to the forum and congratulations on making an indelible impression!

Anton LaVey and Aleister Crowley both alluded to the christian faith as the slave religion. The Patriarch of the practice, yeshua, referred to his followers as his flock and himself as their Shepard. Sheep are the only domestic animal that needs a Shepard, simply because they are quite stupid by the nature of their inbreeding and the herd mentality that will lead to their demise, if they are not watched over by someone else. Sheep being one of the foremost herd animal in the middle east at the time Yeshua is said to have walked the earth, I always found that part of the myth very telling indeed.

Furthermore, I did not take Demoness reference to slaves and christianity to mean a slight against any believer here. Yeshua brought his message to save the slave race which were the chosen people, the "Israelites". That were, in all intents and purpose , enslaved by Rome at the time of this telling of his arrival in the lands controlled by the Empire, as well as their priesthood in the temple. Which is why the Pharisee's condemned jesus as a heretic for preaching the power to find god was within the people. Not within the temples built by the hands and superstitions of man.

As for the NWO, when one considers the population of god believer faiths on earth, and that most ruling class aspire to an after life and claim faith in some benevolent deific model, or are members of any one of the mainstream denominational christian sects, I'd say it's plausible indeed that this same ruling class has a plan to control the world under one rule of law.

We in the U.S. have a President (some call it that) that says his god told him to run for office. This same god told him to invade Iraq. A country wherein it's psycho-dictator Saddam, said his god told him to do all he did to his people and in the name of his office. We have an elected official that is to swear the oath of office in this country that intends to do so on his faiths holy book, the koran. The uproar over that alone, should give ample evidence to the people of this country that whether implied or said outright, this countries power structure is believed to be founded on christian principles and is in fact a christian nation!

Perhaps what gives that impression is "In god we trust" on our currency. That article of world trade exclusive to our nation and it's representation in the world economic market. Or perhaps it's the history of 1954, when a lyric was added to our pledge of allegiance; "One nation under god..." . At the height of the "Cold War" and McCarthyism. Which if anyone knows about McCarthyism, they know from where the mini-version of a future NWO had it's jumping off point. Not to mention all the other American ally countries who's pledge or anthem includes allusions to the christian god. Not to mention, what an excellent vehicle to propagate the allegiance to god. The devil. Without that there would be no need for salvation from such a evil beastie. It would not be the scapegoat to blame for human traits and frailties. And it certainly wouldn't exist to distract peoples attentions, as they pay attention to that adversary while missing the hand behind the curtain that moves it about on the world stage. That bogeyman that frightens and causes people to seek salvation. From either their god or their legislators, it's pretty much the same metaphor, when it comes down to it. Just look at the legislation passed since 911/2001. Save us!! (From our legislative, judicial and administrative branch. Not that a lot of people actually see that.)

When Bush told this countries people and sent the message to others listening, that in this war on terror you were either with us or you were the enemy, it should have sent a shiver down the spine of anyone that was invested in the notion they lived in a free country. Because that was the gauntlet laid down and boldly affirmed that the intent and purpose of this leadership was Nationalism. And when all nations come together, like they are doing in unionizing now, (Think E.U.) , we shall in future have a New World Order of Nations. We already have a world court. We already have the United Nations, of which the U.S. is the founding nation and the foremost member today.

Dismiss the projections of the possibility of an NWO at our peril, I say. Because if we pay attention we can see the blocks being set to erect the walls around us already. Only they're constructed so we believe the abdication of our rights and freedoms are for our own good. To protect us from "terrorism". However, when the mortar is set by our elected citizen representatives, terrorist is relative indeed.


Thank you Demoness for daring to speak freely, while there's still time to think outside the box.



First They Came for the Jews
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller

An expose' of christianity in general? I dunno. I have found that most people I have ran across seem to think the concept of the new world order has more to do with the UN rather than the WCC. The WCC in my opinion has little power to it. The RC church? The Pope is bowing to the Muslim extremists as we speak. What power does he have? None!

I cannot blame or get riled up at Satanist. I guess it depends on whether or not one is a follower of Anton or not. I spoke with LaVey at Berkeley years ago. He cited the hypocricy of the church being what fueled his desire to start his church. He was a carnival worker and not a theologian by any stretch of the imagination. My premise to him was that his view of the christian bible was flawed because you cannot use the KJV for accuracy. The church is based on a book that has translational problems along with the fact that no one seems to understand eastern idiomatic speech. My view of LaVey was that he was ingenius to simply do a 180 on the christian spin and make it work. I did not ruly believe that he even believed in any deity even the so called satan. To me he was a business man who has fooled even his own followers by craftily manufacturing his dogma by the mistakes he saw in christendom. Not to mention his love for hedonism. This is the core of his plight. The desire to fullfill even the sickest desires of the flesh with no account to anyone or anything. The man died early no doubt of heart disease brought on by his lifestyle. He had a good point though, that the hypocricy of the church is livid. I agree. But I see this everywhere. In the courts, in business. Just about everywhere you look there is a crook.

A New World Order will only happen if the populace allows it to. If we allow it to happen then the NWO may be a good thing. If it is a bad thing then it is our own fault.

Lets say that someone could control the world...how long do you think they could keep that control? Push somebody around long enough and they begin to push back.

Power isn't achieved it is given.

If we allow it to happen it may be a good thing. But if it's a bad thing then it's our own fault? How would allowing (our fault) world domination be a good thing, but world domination, that turns out to be a bad thing, is our own fault!?

Let's say someone could control the world. The NWO isn't about someone. It's about a collective of world powers, controlling the whole world. Population,economics, politics, religion, etc... And right now, there are measures of world power already in control. The EU for example, the UN, The World Court, and the U.S. and her allies, as examples.



Power isn't achieved it's given. Relatively speaking, I admit that statement makes no sense to me.

What I'm trying to say a is that A NWO doesn't automatically mean that its going to be bad. There could be a NWO that hands out candies and kisses everyday, which would be a good thing and we would for the most part accept that NWO. Now if there is a NWO that is bad it is the populace's fault because they alowed themselves to become dominated by it.

As for the statement "power isn't achieved it is given" means that to have power there needs to be enough people who allow you to have that power. For example the President of the U.S. didn't achieve his power it was given to him by the U.S. citizens. In a country where politicians and rulers are not voted into office, the populace of that country allows that politician to have his power...but if that politician isn't to their likeing the could overthrow him.

A country has more citizens then it does politicians.

"People shouldn't be afraid of their governments, governments should be afraid of their people."

before anybody gets loony here. remember, christianity is about loving one another, and thats about it.

now why again is christianity bad?

people may make it seem bad, but thats only those people.

Welcome to UM, I always enjoy a great debate . I agree with you that the Catholic church and it's faith have been totally changed according to what the Catholics want, not what God wants. The 2 major problems I have with the Catholic faith is the pope which catholics praise as God on earth which is a bunch of balogna, the other thing is how catholics think confessing their sins to a priest clears them of all the wrongs they have done, and it clearly states in the King James Bible, which I believe to be the only true english version of God's preserved word, that you must confess that your a sinner and you deserve to go to hell to God (Jesus Christ), not to a priest.

Satan doesn't place restrictions on people? Of course he doesn't because he wants you to believe that you can do whatever you see as right, not what God see's as right.

I don't understand what you are trying to say in the contradictions section that you wrote.

About this whole NWO, end of days, etc., have you ever read the Revalation part of the Bible before you left your faith? Because if you have you would understand the concept much better.

It seems your generalizing christians as Catholics, when the definition of a christian is a person who exemplifies in his or her life the teachings of Christ, its not the church that makes a person christian it's the faith.

So you are calling people mindless slaves because they don't question God's plan and his reasons behind things? To a believer no explanation is necessary, to a non believer no explanation is possible.

As for the verses you took out that are not even of the right text, anyone can do that. Let's say a verse says God hated all the sin in the world, someone could say that the verse says God hated, so that makes him not loving or something of that effect. And the fact is a person would believe that if he didn't have a Bible to check for themselves.

This is the thing I see about the devil character in the christians myth. The bible is a book, written by men, canonized by ego's and accepted as the word of god, cover to cover. In it's 67 books and especially the old T. , it relates stories about god and his command of his believers in all things. Gives commandments to be upheld so as to insure moral character, etc... And yet, satan is mentioned by name, if I'm not mistaken, only once. The other few times is by allusion. And yet, all the accounts of god and his ordinance over his believers, his commands they do his will, are evil. He commanded people be murdered in his name. Because he is a vengeful god, a wrathful god, a jealous god. All traits that , in the human, are things they need be saved from in themselves because they are sins. And even without the emissaries of his viciousness against his own creation, he kills by his own will, outright!

Now, if that old devil is the adversary of god, diametrically opposed to that heavens father creator of all that exists including that devil, how bad can the devil be in comparison!? The devil tempts with sin. God made sin. The devil is the father of lies. God, an omniscient power, created the devil. That first and most beautiful angel. I don't see any accounts in the bible about the evils of the devil against god's creation. All the evil that is committed is by god or at his orders. I gotta tell ya, reading it cover to cover, if god says people need be saved from evil, he's right on. Because the evidence thus far would show they need be saved from him! How does a creator of everything that exists, seen and unseen, become jealous of any thing!?

So, as the Old T. accounts, by god's word, god slaughters people, orders women raped, babies killed, slaves kept, women abused, and drowns the world because it ticks him off and then, after she dries out promises , makes a covenant unto Noah and all future generations, never to drown them again but instead , the next time he decides to annihilate the world, it shall be by fire. So how adversarial to that heavenly patriarch can the old devil be?!

Demoness,

Welcome to UM. From the heat of your initial entry I look forward to many interesting discussions.

I have not read all of you initial post yet, but the meaining of the verses I have seen you quote are quite different when you look at them in context.

I agree with you that Christians, like all other people, are prone to hypocrisy and cruelty. We are, by far, not perfect, but we acknowledge it, and those of us who consider ourselves Christians not because of the church we attend, but because of the personal spiritual walk, are constantly seeking to grow closer to the example that Jesus Christ left for us.

I would ask that you not judge all of us by the worst examples that are always out there, nor by the actions and philosophies of those who by title or by notoriety consider themselves and/or are considered the leaders of "Christianity." The only leader I acknowledge in my spiritual walk is God Himself, not any mortal.

A few drops of dirty water doesn't make the whole ocean dirty

Bit confused here. This thread appears to have been started over a year ago. Why are people still welcoming the OP and posting as if it was started a few days ago?

Was there a problem with the date stamps mid Dec 2006 and all posts were stamped 2005?

Sorry to go off-topic.