Hey guys sorry I found one more article that caught my interest. Hate to admit it but this stuff is making sense to me. What do you guys think?


Breaking Free of Christianity

Have fear, shame, control and "sin" been used as tools to manipulate you?
Are you strong enough to acknowledge that you have been lied to?
Are you willing to admit to yourself that you have been a victim and that you need help?

Stages of control of xianity in one's life:

Becoming more and more preoccupied with church/bible study
Excessive church attendance or reading bible
Using church/bible/prayer to avoid life and/or problems
Compulsive thinking about or quoting scripture
The above is the loss of control stage.

Compulsive church attendance or quoting of scriptures
Obsessive praying, prosyletizing, witnessing, attending revivals and crusades on a frequent basis
Excessive financial contributions
Increasing dependence on "the Lord"
Feelings of guilt if you miss a church function
Refusal to think, doubt or question xian teachings or authority
Inability to sensibly discuss religious issues
Church attendance, prayer and religious activities begin to interfere with work or school
Feelings of powerlessness
Preaching that sex is evil, dirty
Feelings of shame over nudity, your body or the bodies of others
Feelings of hatred or resentment towards others who have different beliefs
Lengthy crusades, mission work, communes
Smiley mask- this is an advanced stage of xianity where feelings are denied and an artificial pastey smile is worn at all times. This is blatant evidence of extreme denial
Black and white simplistic thinking
Strong feelings of low self esteem, shame, self hatred, blame.
Excessive fasting or using food to "feed" other areas of your life that are seriously lacking
Prosyletizing on the job= job loss
Progressive isolation, breakdown of relationships
Watching only religious programs on TV; excluding any non-religious programs
Avoiding secular activities (entertainment, education)
Inability to take any personal credit for achievments- always giving the credit to "the Lord"
Not taking any personal responsibility, relying on "the Lord" to control your entire life
Cries for help; mental, emotional, physical breakdown= hospitalization
One or more of the above indicates there is a serious problem. In order to find out if something is good or evil, we must give it power. This is what happens with progressive xianity. In the end, there is no more personal identity. The victim becomes a shell and something else takes over. If you have gotton this far, it is not too late to get out and STAY out.

ALL hoaxes, lies and scams have ONE major theme in common- that is a LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. Once one KNOWS, one can no longer be deluded and lied to. Billions of dollars, mass murder and above all LIES and FEAR have been used to keep us from our True Creator. Those in control have profited from the fruits of their lies for centuries and wish to keep their power at the expense of human ignorance and misery. Our True Creator, Satan, gives us knowledge so we can elevate ourselves above that of an animal. The false god and his alien cohorts look down upon us and wish to enslave us. Satan cares about his human creation and wishes to help us. The biggest step is to overcome your fear and study and learn. Once you know, xianity and its false teachings can no longer be a threat.

I was reading this with a smile, then I saw the word Satan.


Then what? s/he will give us the same dogma crap to follow just like Christianity.

Sometimes I am really glad to be an agnostic.

Yeah I tried to ignore the fact that Satan was mentioned. I thought the rest was pretty funny though.

lol and another tally for religion, they so like to confuse their followers TSK TSK Namaste sheri

Quite a few of the now defunct Christian Cults had a dualist worldview in which the "Good" god was interested only in the spiritual and the "evil" god was the creator of all things physical. This is a tenent borrowed almost directly from Zoraosterism, which has very similar beliefs. Christians tend to identify that which they don't understand or which goes against their personal beliefs as either Satan or "devil-inspired"

What do you mean you tried to ignore the fact that Satan was mentioned? Does your boyfriend not run his own Spiritual Satanism Church?

the fallacy, of course, is that one has to be a xian first to be a satanist. Jews don't believe in the fall or the rebellion. The Satan is just one of many angels, doing his job. Read the Book of Job.

Demoness sounds like one extreme to another if you get my drift.

i dunno-13 posts on her first day?

No i mean it saying Xtianity is all about control and giving us a list of things that could mean you're controlled then the article turnin round saying Satan loves us all.

Firstly, I'd like to say welcome Demoness Keep up the work, I like this post. I disagree with virtually every single point it raised, but an interesting read none-the-less.

Regards, PA

I don't know that I agree with every thing in the post either but, if you read and think about some of the X-tians that you have known over the years it kind of works out. Well, at least for me!

I second that revulsion.

Demoness,

You seem to be supporting the idea of instant gratification. If it feels good it must be right so do it. I have not read the whole bible, but parts of it. I found this passage pretty interesting, and it explains why you love Satan and are an enemy of God.



Our true home is the spiritual world, and life on earth will only last you maybe, if you are lucky, another 80 years, then what? You will go where you belong, because in the afterlife birds of a feather flock together. You will go to the kingdom of Satan, and you will see how much he really loves you. The main point of the Christian religion I think is to love one another unconditionally. Not to hold grudges, or only love those who you think deserve it. The Christian religion is supported in the many near-death experiences. Christians look forward to the after life, while you want to enjoy your life on earth.

The important thing is realize is what you are doing in you life the result of love? or fulfilling your physical desires, and not denying yourself what you lust for.

I'm not saying your going to hell or void (void of love) by any means, I barely know you, and it's not right for me to judge you. The only thing that matters after you die is how much love you gave others in the form of emotion and physical acts.

Remember you will only live for about 80 more years, then comes a big surprise. You need to read this:

http://www.near-death.com/storm.html

Well the way I figure it, there is know way to know for certain what happenes when someone dies. And dont tell me it IS because the bible says so. I'm talking PHYSICAL proof. And I have tried christianity and I've been a catholic I've never been touched by "god" but I have been touched by Enki and if you dont know what that means then do a search the name. People say that Satan is a christian invention, yes the name is of christian invention but he was known by a different name before that. At least from what I've read that is my belief. Anyhow I do know this, there is chance of coming back after death as my religon says because if not how do spirits and hauntings even exist?

I've come to the somewhat startling conclusion that American Christians are nothing at all like Australian Christians. We in Australia are, on the whole, a very conservative bunch. I think America is a little more radical than us (could be wrong, that's just my perception).

Failing that, how many Christians do you know personally? (and this question goes for Gideon as well, hell, it goes for anyone). How do you know that the really nice man who served you at the checkouts is not Christian and you didn't know it. How do you know that the guy you sit next to on the train and chat for a couple of minutes isn't Christian and you didn't know it?

We don't all walk around with tattoo's on our foreheads saying "I'M A CHRISTIAN: PIDGEON-HOLE ME!"

What do you think?

Regards, PA

To be honest I dont mind SOME christians I know at least 8 that I consider friends, I just dont agree with what they are doing to themselves.

I've thought this too in the past. I couldn't understand how christians in america have got this reputation. I wouldnt like to say, but by the sounds of it, they do conduct themselves differently over there than they do where I live too.
I personally dont know one christian personally who is like some of the people spoke of in these forums. Maybe Im just lucky, but knowing a heck of alot christians who doesnt fit the general description people paint here, I cant help but think it is regionally based.

I'm not saying there is an afterlife because the bible says so, I'm saying theres an afterlife because countles people who have died come back with different but similar stories say so. Much of what they say goes along with the bible, some does not. The story I posted with the link is of someone who knew for a fact that there was no afterlife, but he found out otherwise when he died. I talked with him personaly once. Now he believes in God and and Jesus, when he used to mock those kind of people before he died and had his NDE.

This is just one of hundreds:

i find it interesting that some of the things in that list come close to cultural values or ideals of the ANE.
particularly these two:
Feelings of shame over nudity, your body or the bodies of others
Not taking any personal responsibility, relying on "the Lord" to control your entire life (that is somewhat similar to what patience is defined as. not the not taking personal responsibility part but the other. waiting on the Lord to advance you socially, IIRC)

its probably based on what people see on TV, or a few bad experiences a person has.

scoobysnack, Thanks for posting those links. That was a beautiful NDE.

exactly. when somebody produces an NDE experience that can be verified to not be constructed of symoblism from the person's own experiences, then we will have something to investigate.

Praying and doing church stuff is not loosing control. It is becoming an active member in the church and city.

This is confusng.

Satan is a liar, this is to be expected. She thinks she knows Satan and that satan loves her. Satan is playing her like a fiddle, and laughs at her everytime she makes the wrong choice in life.

As with anything when you mix facts with fiction it equals deception. That's what we have in these posts. I feel sorry for her, but I'm sure she feels sorry for me. We will see who is better off when they die. From my research, she is completly screwed. Some people need to make there own mistakes so they can learn from them in the end.

It's fun (in a twisted way) reading these posts though.

satan is a liar? that is according to those that use him as the enemy within the mythology! Have you ever seen war propaganda that says "lets go kill those nice guys that are just like us"?

you are just another victim of what i will now call the spiritual propaganda wars! Remember, there are no winners in wars. Satan lies no more than those that claim him to be a great liar!

How are you going to go about verifying something like that? How do you decide what was part of a person's symbolic psche and what wasnt?

If you forgot about anything any religion had to say about Satan, you could research the near death experiances, and Satan would not be as big a deal as religion says. But you will find a couple of people who were made aware of the spiritual war between a powerfull being and God. Many call him Satan.

She claims to know what Satan represents and it's obvious she lives her life accordingly. If you research NDE's and again forget about all religion, you will find out, the way she lives her life will lead her to be of lower vibration then others who love unconditionaly. Again religion aside, look at the NDE's. Don't be one of those people who have to find out themselves, by then it will be to late to change your life.

I ment to reply to this first. the near death experiance is perfect and personal for everyone. You will not have a being come to you that you don't recognize. It would scare you. Jesus appears how you would recognize him. You really need to do some homework into the hundreds of NDE and stop assuming you already know what it involves.

scooby, thank you for discrediting NDE's as anything more than a dreamstate.

I think our experinces including NDE's are of our own choosing, brought forth by ourselves for our own purposes, that is what I beleive Hyper might be saying. namaste Sheri

Thanks for not researching it.

If that's what you belive so be it. Do you want to have a good dream or bad dream when you die. You will die, and you will have an experiance that is totally real to you. Listen to those who have experianced it for themselves. Even the scientists and flaming materialists who knew for a fact consiousness can not survive after death, found out otherwise when they died and could not explain it themselves. It will happen to you, I can garuntee it. Better you find out now then later.

How is it possible that people can come back to life when the doctors claimed they were dead with knowledge they didn't know before. Yes I know maybe we don't fully understand the brain, and you can try to explain it away with many different theories, but there is always one major factor. Life can continue outside of the body. That is the main idea behind the NDE. I have never had a dream where I looked at my sleeping body from the ceiling in my bedroom. The only conclusion that would allow you to dismiss the NDE as just a dream is if they made it up to get attention or these people are really delusional, or science is nowhere close to explaining anything in the world and we will figure out how the brain really works next century hopefully and then finally we can get rid of all this God nonsense.

If more people reserached teh NDE I think it would answer a lot of the questions everyone would have.

why don't you start another NDE thread. I am sure turtle would love to contribute to it.

Please don't go on with that fearmongering tripe about i better find out. It is in your own words that you have undermined the NDE and i was pointing that out. Try and be logical about it. Turtle has had an NDE and he has some interesting insights to share that actually are interesting as opposed to matching a mythology to a dreamstate. You are not being objective.

The government does a pretty good job and scaring people. Don't break the law and you won't get butt banged, or you won't get death row.

ummm..proof of NDE: A numbers of "personal experiences" of a very diverse tematic, were people see Jesus, demons, Buda, Mahoma, or some dead ancestors.


Scientific explanation: Lack of oxigen in the brain produced halucinations, or at least that is trhe theory produced in base of the evidence.

....... Lack of oxygene? Oo... You never hear of people seeing sh** like that when they come near to drowning. How can the brain function properly and give you hallucinations if it's dying and doesn't have enough oxygene to work properly?

People think I'm a fear monger for telling them how the government lied about 9/11. All I'm doing is presenting surpressed info.

Good idea about starting a new thread about NDE's. But like anythhing that is not talked about in the science books it can easily be dismissed. If it's not official, it's not true in some peoples minds.

Maybe I'm weak because I believe people who think they talked to God or looked at themselves from outside there body and science says that's impossible. Maybe I'm delustional for putting my faith in those people instead of the establishment. I'm willing to take that risk, because I feel it's the right decision.

We truly do live in a twilight zone. I grew up a repulican, and voted for Bush. I found out he can get away with lying to us. years ago I thought we had check and balances as well as a quality mass media that would not allow that, boy was I wrong. But some people still beieve exactly what I found out to be false.

What is truth?

Well, when science can't explain something, like NDE, instead of saying "We don't know", they just say "It doesn't exist". Or they put forth some half ass[in my opinion, espcially about NDEs] theory.

really?

well, believing one souce is one of the most common errors committed. We see it here all the time! Americans that think the whole world thinks like america, for example. Christians that think all gods are really their god, is another example.

Of course people lie, cheat, and steal. Of course the government conseals things. (and on and on). The only weakness i would say you have is that you are doing exactly what these NDEers are doing: the end result is formulated around your prior subjective experiences. Bias runs very deep, that is why the double blind methodology is the best experimental mehtodology and should be used whenever possible.

What are you smoking? Just kiddin'.


I didn't say it I believed in NDEs. I'm saying just because you can't explain something doesn't mean you have to jump to the conclusion that it's impossible. Exactly what science does sometimes. If it's not natural and they can't explain it, it doesn't happen. Science CAN not and will not ever be able to explain anything that is paranormal if something of the kind ever exists. Hell they still don't know what ghosts are.[For the ones who believe they do exist].


Now don't get me wrong, just because something APPEARS to be paranormal, it doesn't mean it is, so it's good we study it and try to find a natural cause. But if they can't [in the case of NDEs] they shouldn't just slap forth a half assed theory or claim that NDEs don't happen.

that reply was for scooby, not you.

I thought it was directed at me because you said "you're doing what these NDEs are doing", I thought scooby had an NDE, lol. =P

Mah bad.

Let us assume for a moment that someone has an NDE, during which he or she meets large globs of pulsating goo that speak through antennae and eat dirt for fiber.

They awake, and tell others of their NDE. Assuming people don't just laugh at them, they would be put into intense psycho-therapy whereby they are taught to either see their vision as the product of an overactive imagination (with a lot of psycho-babble as to the "meaning" behind the globs of goo, and why they eat dirt).

What would be the defining characteristic of an NDE that did not draw on cultural symbolism? Would they not just be labeled fruitcakes and locked in a white padded cell so they don't harm others with their crazy talk.

Just a thought.

Regards, PA

and there we have the classic cultural double-standard! if its goo your nuts, if its jesus your sane? and people questioned in another thread how mental health is socially defined!

That was not my point, hyper. I for one do not believe in NDE's. I was using an example only - that you are going to discredit the NDE whatever it is, simply because you do not believe them to be possible.

Regards, PA

actually i am not going to discredit the NDE no matter what people say, i am merely saying that i am not going to consider an incredible explanation until more rational explanations are shown invalid first.

None have been shown to be valid yet in my opinion. What now?

Why is this not on the news or mainstream knowledge?

it is just as wrong to assume that there is no such thing, as to slavishly think it controls everything and nothing else is real.

I guess I got to get my two cents in here. I haven't had a NDE, I had someone come back to let me know they were ok and not just once. I had a Christian tell me that was a Demon coming back in disguise as my Wife. A Demon told a little girl to give me a teddy bear??? That kind of cemented the idea that a lot Christians are a little nuts. Yes there is an after life, I have no doubt.
As far as Satan goes he is a Christian invention and from what I have studied from the Bible, other religious, myth, and historical sources Satan and the Abrahamic God is one in the same. He even says he is.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

-God in Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)

On a happy note for me there is more than one God and Goddess. I have a lot to pick from to work with. The Earth is my creator, teacher, my Mother. The Universe is my creator, teacher, Father.

Demoness, why trade one patriarchal religion for another. You say that Satan is a name that they gave to the old Pagan God/desses. Your right, they did, so why not explore the wealth of Pagan God/desses and find your own Path. I have met many Catholics who became Pagans and have a lot of trouble letting go of the brain washing of the old patriarchal religions. Satanism is just a form of rebellion against Christianity, but it remains part of it, so it is tied to it. You're still barking up the same tree. Why not just dump the whole thing and explore the old ways? Find your higher-self and you will find your God/dess. Just my opinion, you must follow your own Path. Life is a learning experience, if not this then the next.