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Jester of Dreams
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No. You could count them if you had the time, energy, and will to do so (or could be bothered). I don't think infinity exists in real terms. A lot of posts have said it can't be comprehended, but I believe it can. Infinity really only exists as a mathematical construct. The people who constructed it must have understood the concept of infinity to work through the mathematics involved. In real terms, i think there is a beginning and end to everything, which includes time and the multiverse.

This post has been by Mr Walker: Today, 10:20 PM

First to start things off...

You can not exaclty count every single cell in the human-body...

Thats why it is uncountable...

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before we can answer this question we need to agree on one thing, infinite means never ending, without limit, eternal, bottomless.

If we all agree on that, then the answer is simple, dont ask such a question whos answer is so plainly obvious.

And the answer if that wasnt obvious enough is: No

a finite distance between points a & b can be divided by two, and all divisions inbetween. the end result of all those divisions will be no greater than the sum of the distance between point a & b.

having said that infinity can not be divided in two, leaves us with only one possibility, that a single point in space can be considered half way since the distance in any direction from that point is infinite. this single point halfway mark will also apply to the position of any point in space, since the universe is infinite. so no matter where you are in the universe you will be at the halfway mark, and so will your freind who lives down the road, or the man in the moon.

if that sounds right to you, you may use that as your answer, if it does not sound right, then keep on hurting your brain...

thanks

This post has been by mrhamblee: Today, 11:26 PM

Second to start things off...

Its not hurting my head...

Infinity does not have to be mathematics...

Infinity is life itself...

Infinity is also unexplored becuase no-one can find the end of infinity itself...
truethat
My sister was eight years old when she defined "Infinity" to me and I think she did pretty good for herself.

She said "Infinity is like looking but never seeing."
Jester of Dreams
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My sister was eight years old when she defined "Infinity" to me and I think she did pretty good for herself.

She said "Infinity is like looking but never seeing."

This post has been by truethat: Today, 12:29 AM

Strong words can come form anyone...

Its even stronger form those that are younger...
DaveyHolyhead
QUOTE(Jester of Dreams @ Sep 7 2006, 06:18 AM) [snapback]1339705[/snapback]

First to start things off...

You can not exaclty count every single cell in the human-body...

Thats why it is uncountable...
Second to start things off...

Its not hurting my head...Good for You

Infinity does not have to be mathematics...ok then elaborate, and explain the concept of infinity without using mathematics. did i not mention in the start of my post, words that described it without using mathematics, eternal, without limit, bottomless and so forth..pay attention to what you read please

Infinity is life itself...Explain please

Infinity is also unexplored becuase no-one can find the end of infinity itself...

For you i say this once, the concept of infinity means to have no end.

Jester of Dreams
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It look like I pushed your button...

Infinity can have an end...

All it is...

It just keeps repeating itself...

Thats why it seems endless...
Jester of Dreams
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By the way...

Its not that hard to use common sense...
DaveyHolyhead
QUOTE(Jester of Dreams @ Sep 7 2006, 09:36 PM) [snapback]1340560[/snapback]

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It look like I pushed your button...

Infinity can have an end...

All it is...

It just keeps repeating itself...

Thats why it seems endless...


You should read back what youve written, and then apply common sense to it. youll find that youre pushing your own buttons...

Jester of Dreams
If I'm pushing my button...

Then why are you who is arguing?... sleepy.gif

And a post over this?...
Mr Walker
To Jester of dreams. Could you please explain why you don't think it is possible to count the number of cells in a human body. I may have missed something. At any one point in time the number of cells is finite (even if very large). So simply snap dry the human being, then count the cells. If the argument is that in a living body you can't count them because they are multiplying so quickly the answer changes before you can reach it, this may be technically true, but has no bearing on the definition, or the nature, of infinity. The number of cells may vary but is not infinite. If we don't already have it , we will one day have the technology to take a snapshot in time of any particular human body, which allows us to count the number of cells in it. Perhaps, as I say, I have missed a critical element of your argument.
Jester of Dreams
I'm specking about a live human-body Mr Walker...

Thats why you can't count the cells...
Maelstrom5
QUOTE(!^#$ @ Dec 15 2005, 12:11 AM) [snapback]976289[/snapback]

Me and my friend were talking in math class about, what would Infinity divided by 2 be?

Because infinity divided by 1 = infinity

so infinity divided by 2 = 2 infinitys, since theyre infinitys wouldent it just be like duplicating infinity?

This is starting to hurt my mind. Give me your opinions.


Since infinity can't be measured, and it is often represented as a circle (such as a wedding ring means 'forever'), I'll give it the value of '0' (zero/zed - whatever you call it)

0 divided by 2 is still zero

0 divided by .50 is still zero

For anything to be divided it must have a firm number, by definition be 'finite.' The Infinite means literally, 'Without Number' and thus cannot be divided.
Maelstrom5
QUOTE(mrhamblee @ Sep 7 2006, 04:24 AM) [snapback]1339674[/snapback]

a finite distance between points a & b can be divided by two, and all divisions inbetween. the end result of all those divisions will be no greater than the sum of the distance between point a & b.

having said that infinity can not be divided in two, leaves us with only one possibility, that a single point in space can be considered half way since the distance in any direction from that point is infinite. this single point halfway mark will also apply to the position of any point in space, since the universe is infinite. so no matter where you are in the universe you will be at the halfway mark, and so will your freind who lives down the road, or the man in the moon.


Not necessarily. Where you are at point 'A' is the beginning point between you and your destination, point 'B.' Since point 'A' could be considered the beginning point of any direction (picture point A as the center of a bicycle tire with spokes radiating outwards in all directions [even up and down]) you are at the nexus - a beginning point and the center simultaneously. If you look at time/space continuum and point 'A' is the 'Present,' then you have almost a crystal-like formation with lines of continuity radiating out in every conceivable direction. If there is such thing as a 'split' in a given line of continuity (parallel universe), then the lines split in two and begin yet another nexus of 'Present.' So bearing this is mind, you cannot possibly be at the center of the universe at any given time - you will always be someone else's destination (future) or their beginning point (past). This is why we can only perceive the Present and not the future or past.

How's that for an instant migraine?
DaveyHolyhead
QUOTE(Maelstrom5 @ Sep 8 2006, 02:04 AM) [snapback]1340916[/snapback]

Not necessarily. Where you are at point 'A' is the beginning point between you and your destination, point 'B.' Since point 'A' could be considered the beginning point of any direction (picture point A as the center of a bicycle tire with spokes radiating outwards in all directions [even up and down]) you are at the nexus - a beginning point and the center simultaneously. If you look at time/space continuum and point 'A' is the 'Present,' then you have almost a crystal-like formation with lines of continuity radiating out in every conceivable direction. If there is such thing as a 'split' in a given line of continuity (parallel universe), then the lines split in two and begin yet another nexus of 'Present.' So bearing this is mind, you cannot possibly be at the center of the universe at any given time - you will always be someone else's destination (future) or their beginning point (past).

How's that for an instant migraine?

Hi,

I never said that point A was a starting point and point b was a destination point.
re-read it please.
Maelstrom5
QUOTE(mrhamblee @ Sep 8 2006, 01:08 AM) [snapback]1340920[/snapback]

Hi,

I never said that point A was a starting point and point b was a destination point.
re-read it please.


In order to split in half (giving it a halfway point), there must be a finite distance. In infinite space you are simultaneously at the beginning and the center.
DaveyHolyhead
QUOTE(Mr Walker @ Sep 8 2006, 12:56 AM) [snapback]1340848[/snapback]

To Jester of dreams. Could you please explain why you don't think it is possible to count the number of cells in a human body. I may have missed something. At any one point in time the number of cells is finite (even if very large). So simply snap dry the human being, then count the cells. If the argument is that in a living body you can't count them because they are multiplying so quickly the answer changes before you can reach it, this may be technically true, but has no bearing on the definition, or the nature, of infinity. The number of cells may vary but is not infinite. If we don't already have it , we will one day have the technology to take a snapshot in time of any particular human body, which allows us to count the number of cells in it. Perhaps, as I say, I have missed a critical element of your argument.

Given that it would be impossible to count precisely the number of cells in the human body, we are able to estimate the number by weighing the average cell, using the weight of the naked human body, divide it by the weight of the cell to achieve and estimate.
if it were possible to count the number of cells in the body precisely, the number itself would be non-functional. i beleive it to be a pointless excercise to count the cells in the body, a waste of time.
Jester of Dreams
That's why it was so perfect... laugh.gif

You are halfway there...

What about generations?...

Does it count as part of the human-body's life cycle does it not?...

The passing cells to making another living human-body?...

Would it make it a true infinite in real life?...




And what about the little girl theory of infinity?...

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"Infinity is like looking but never seeing."


I know what she means by that...

Do you?...
explorer

If the Universe is finite (definite), is the human mind, or any other capable mind, breaching the laws of reality by conceiving of the infinite? Is conceiving of that which does not exist beyond conception the ultimate torture of being human?

If the universe is infinite, we've got a long way to go. The infinite and zero have something in common; halving them is a non sequitur, a logical fallacy. As said previously, they are only defined by their undefinability.

If we 'could' halve infinity, would we end up with nothing? You can eat the cake but you can't have it too?



reallydesperatetolearn
QUOTE(!^#$ @ Dec 15 2005, 12:11 AM) [snapback]976289[/snapback]

Me and my friend were talking in math class about, what would Infinity divided by 2 be?

Because infinity divided by 1 = infinity

so infinity divided by 2 = 2 infinitys, since theyre infinitys wouldent it just be like duplicating infinity?

This is starting to hurt my mind. Give me your opinions.


i dont even think that there is even a way to divide inf. if u can divide infinity what would be the purpose of infinity. it is not possible to divide a number that goes on forever in 1/2 is it
Jester of Dreams
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If the Universe is finite (definite), is the human mind, or any other capable mind, breaching the laws of reality by conceiving of the infinite? Is conceiving of that which does not exist beyond conception the ultimate torture of being human?

If the universe is infinite, we've got a long way to go. The infinite and zero have something in common; halving them is a non sequitur, a logical fallacy. As said previously, they are only defined by their undefinability.

If we 'could' halve infinity, would we end up with nothing? You can eat the cake but you can't have it too?

Ok?... huh.gif

Where does the cake fit in this question?... hmm.gif
Atheist God
QUOTE(!^#$ @ Dec 14 2005, 07:11 PM) [snapback]976289[/snapback]

Me and my friend were talking in math class about, what would Infinity divided by 2 be?

Because infinity divided by 1 = infinity

so infinity divided by 2 = 2 infinitys, since theyre infinitys wouldent it just be like duplicating infinity?

This is starting to hurt my mind. Give me your opinions.


Infinity is not a number thus not divisable by any number technically. Infinity simply means never ending. You could say infinity divided by any number = infinity if it were divisable.

Infinity is simply forever.

Infinity divided by any number will always = infinity. In other words it is impossible to divide infinity as no answer can ever be givin.

Jester of Dreams
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If the Universe is finite (definite), is the human mind, or any other capable mind, breaching the laws of reality by conceiving of the infinite? Is conceiving of that which does not exist beyond conception the ultimate torture of being human?

If the universe is infinite, we've got a long way to go. The infinite and zero have something in common; halving them is a non sequitur, a logical fallacy. As said previously, they are only defined by their undefinability.

If we 'could' halve infinity, would we end up with nothing? You can eat the cake but you can't have it too
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Infinity is not a number thus not divisable by any number technically. Infinity simply means never ending. You could say infinity divided by any number = infinity if it were divisable.

Infinity is simply forever.

Infinity divided by any number will always = infinity. In other words it is impossible to divide infinity as no answer can ever be givin.

And you don't think infinity exist in reality?... dontgetit.gif

Only in mathematics?... hmm.gif
Atheist God
QUOTE(Jester of Dreams @ Sep 8 2006, 09:21 PM) [snapback]1342433[/snapback]

And you don't think infinity exist in reality?... dontgetit.gif

Only in mathematics?... hmm.gif


Infinity exists energy for example is infinate it never dies and it has always been there.

Infinity means forever as I said...

There is no such number as infinity. Even if it was any attempt to divide it by any known number would result in a never ending equation. An equation that could never be solved is the end result and is the answer your looking for.

Here is one for you though...

Press your fingers together now the real question is are they actually touching? Or are the atoms in your fingers just infinatly close to one another?

Jester of Dreams
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Infinity exists energy for example is infinate it never dies and it has always been there.

Infinity means forever as I said...

There is no such number as infinity. Even if it was any attempt to divide it by any known number would result in a never ending equation. An equation that could never be solved is the end result and is the answer your looking for.

Here is one for you though...

Press your fingers together now the real question is are they actually touching? Or are the atoms in your fingers just infinatly close to one another?

I'm not sure why some people think that I'm still talking about this?... huh.gif

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Me and my friend were talking in math class about, what would Infinity divided by 2 be?

Because infinity divided by 1 = infinity

so infinity divided by 2 = 2 infinitys, since theyre infinitys wouldent it just be like duplicating infinity?

This is starting to hurt my mind. Give me your opinions.

I've had changed the question for a for a few days now... mellow.gif

mrhamblee couldn't see that until I posted in their post... laugh.gif

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Press your fingers together now the real question is are they actually touching? Or are the atoms in your fingers just infinatly close to one another?

Nice one!... w00t.gif

Didn't see that one coming... happy.gif

Yes, they are touching... yes.gif

But, are the atoms in your fingers just infinity close to same in the human-body... mellow.gif

What about outside the human-body?... hmm.gif

like water, air, earth, food?... dontgetit.gif
glenndo4000
but how do we know that infinity actually exists? because we don't know of anything that has no beginning and that has no end, do we? you could say time has no beggining or no end, but there is no proof of that, nor is there proof that the universe is infinite, or that energy is infinite.
however there is also no proof that some of these things are finite, meaning that there is an end and a beggining.

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Jester of Dreams
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but how do we know that infinity actually exists? because we don't know of anything that has no beginning and that has no end, do we? you could say time has no beggining or no end, but there is no proof of that, nor is there proof that the universe is infinite, or that energy is infinite.
however there is also no proof that some of these things are finite, meaning that there is an end and a beggining.


The human-body has a limit in a lifetime as all of us know that... dontgetit.gif

The world will continues with the human-body or not... sad.gif

Even though some of us find it to disappointing the human-body dies... mellow.gif

And yet the world seem to be infinity weather our generations understands or not... mellow.gif

glenndo4000
the world may SEEM to be infinite, but there is no scientific proof for that to be true.
Jester of Dreams
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the world may SEEM to be infinite, but there is no scientific proof for that to be true

Indeed, it true that there is no scientific proof for here... yes.gif

Since history says we have been here for a big while... huh.gif

It could be possible though... hmm.gif
DaveyHolyhead
QUOTE(Jester of Dreams @ Sep 9 2006, 09:54 PM) [snapback]1343283[/snapback]

I'm not sure why some people think that I'm still talking about this?... huh.gif
I've had changed the question for a for a few days now... mellow.gif

mrhamblee couldn't see that until I posted in their post... laugh.gif
Nice one!... w00t.gif

Didn't see that one coming... happy.gif

Yes, they are touching... yes.gif

But, are the atoms in your fingers just infinity close to same in the human-body... mellow.gif

What about outside the human-body?... hmm.gif

like water, air, earth, food?... dontgetit.gif

Hey NewKid,

Your still a cherry in here...
just reminding you
Jester of Dreams
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glenndo4000
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It could be possible though


indeed it could, because like i said there is no proof to say that the universe is finite either, so yes you are correct.
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kobie
I STILL THINK IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE THING TO HAVE INFINITE SUCCESSION.SO TO DIVIDE THE WORD INFINITE IN A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN WOULD LEAVE U WITH ONE,MEANING U CANT ALLOW FOR IT TO DE DIVIDED,BUT TO HAVE THE IDEA OF TWO OBJECTS WITH THE CURRENT STATE OF INFINITE,WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE...TO ALLOW FOR TWO OR MORE...AS THAT WOULD BE NO MORE THAN ITS MEANING OF STATURE ......I AGREE THAT ITS NOT APPLYABLE TO DIVIDE INFINTE... rofl.gif
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