The author is for all I know, some nerd who is unemployed, making stupid websites and hanging around kiddy chat rooms.

It seems a lot of people are willing to automatically turn off their critical thinking skills and accept the most ridiculous things as long as it comes tagged with a "government cover up or government conspiracy" label.

Could it be that most of these hoax stories are created by people who have never accomplished anything (that they feel is important) in their lives, and want to comfort themselves by believing that they now,finally,has one up on the,government,scientists,NASA,military,etc.

I know there is lot of money to be made selling all kinds of weird theories to the gullible.

Anyway,here is a funny site about the moonhoax.
http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Are%20hoax%2...rs%20stupid.htm

Personally Hazzard I'm more on your side of this argument. That's only because I have not done any research into this, and I was brought up to believe we went to the moon. I'm going off blind faith of my government and it's controlled press. I don't trust this government to tell me the truth, or the media for the same reason, but since I have not done any research into this, I'm going to assume we made it to the moon.

Do I think it's possible that the US faked the moon landing, yes. Is there a motive, yes, to show American supremacy.

I think you seem to think the US could not get away with faking it, because the people would find out. You underestimate the government of the most powerful country on the face of the planet.

Did you ever watch the press conference of the Disclosure project and how the astronauts saw buildings on the back side of moon, when they flew around the moon. This of course is still classified. I would highly recommend you watch this. In fact you need to, it will help your cause.

http://www.netro.ca/disclosure/npccmenu.htm

I'm on the fence with this one. The government in my mind has no credibility at all. I'm going to assume they are lying before they tell me the truth. Why because they can get away with it, and have been lying to our faces for decades.

Disclosure Project, from about 5 years ago, was a UFO convention. There were no astronauts present speaking about their observations of "buildings" on the far side. There were no astronauts present at all.

It is dubious at the outset with an actor dramatizing in really rather silly fashion, and the thrust seems to be that people have seen UFOs, and the Government is withholding beneficial technologies that should be made public and which could save the planet from the "energy crisis" we face, and from the effects of "global warming". Various folks appear describing their experiences.

No "proof" at all was given for these people's assertions. Simply a bunch of folks stating what lots of others have stated in the past...they've seen evidence of UFOs.

Nothings wrong with that of course. Just about anyone in ATC or a pilot (like myself), has seen a UFO. It means little, being that the term simply means Unidentified Flying Object. It has utterly nothing to do with alien life. "UFOs" are reported and spoken of frequently in the aviation field. No one, however, says, "Aliens".

Now, that having been said, it seems rather logical that we are in fact not alone in the universe. The simple fact of the matter is that there is no evidence whatsoever that we have been recently visited by any of the life forms out there. There have been no sightings of alien artifacts on the surface of the moon.

Just as, in kind, there is no substantive scientific evidence that there is any such thing happening as global warming, or that there is an energy crisis.

You seem to be making the point that the government lies. Well, they have certainly done so, and likely will again. However, your point also seems to be that the government could in fact cover up something so immense and involved as the "hoaxed lunar landing", a project involving a decade of work by almost 400,000 people.

That assertion is just a wee bit elementary, and a bit of a stretch of the imagination.

I say this because they couldn't possibly have done so with all those people involved...after all, Nixon couldn't even cover up the clandestine little Watergate affair, a small operation involving a small group of people, and Clinton couldn't keep his little affairs private...

How do you think that the Apollo project could've possibly been faked and so incredibly covered up for almost 35 years, when such small potatoes things can't be hidden fdrom public scrutiny?

Regards.

I think you seem to think the US could not get away with faking it, because the people would find out. You underestimate the government of the most powerful country on the face of the planet.

Did you ever watch the press conference of the Disclosure project and how the astronauts saw buildings on the back side of moon, when they flew around the moon.

Well I hope you actually watched the whole two hours. The point is that it is still classified. That means you don't tell the public. You don't tell anyone unless they have the classification clearance. They are willing to testify under oath to congress.

Why do you think there was no proof presented. It's a crime to reveal classified information to the public. The point was to allow the witness to go before congress and allow them to override there oath of secrecy and reveal to the people what they and the government know about alien life.

Of course I watched the whole two hours...twice. Much to my disappointment actually. If all this is classified, then merely talking about it places these people in danger. They would've been in violation just by going public in such a forum and speaking of it. One guy had all this "classified" paper with him, transcripts, radar plots, etc. None of that was seen , of course, but there he was, supposedly carrying this material. How would he have it if it was classified and he was retired...no longer in service? All such material would've been locked away and he'd have been sworn to secrecy.

The melodrama of Jon Cypher, the singing, and the X-Files reference, lends a decided air of incredulity to the whole affair as well.

But again, as I said, this all has nothing to do with Apollo being faked.

It's just fine to search for extraterrestrial life. One day we'll find it. Maybe we already have. It doesn't matter...

Apollo cannot be disproved, and this thread was about people who believe in the Apollo hoax being "stupid".

How about we address that?

Stupid of course is a harsh word. Political correctness is a joke, but stupid is still inapproproitate for most people who adhere to that wild notion. Uninformed, intellectually lazy and unwilling to investigate, learn, and understand, or just removed by too much time from the actual events are likely more realistic terms, depending on who it is who is presenting the ideas.

There are those who are just low-life, schlocky journalists or liars or pseudo-scientists, like Sibrel, Kaysing, Percy, et.al. who have used people's ignorance of the facts to make a pretty decent living. They deserve a worse name than stupid, of course, but the vast majority of hoax adherents are simply uninformed.

Regards.

Their opinions may seem stupid, but they themselves are not "stupid".

That's why it was never reported on in the news. And yes, they are breaking the law some of them, many of the other witness are afraid to come forward, because it would force them to break their oath of secrecy. The people who have come forward feel it's their duty as a responsible American/Human being to make the public aware of what's really going on behind the scenes. The point was to show that the government is lying. This is the problem. All the facts and evidence of a moon landing we have, comes directly from the government. They release information after they declassify it. In fact they are lying to us everyday. Are the moon hoax believers stupid for doing research that proves the government is lying in other instances. Then in their eyes the government really has no credibilty, and just to be safe you now have to assume they are lying about everything. I have pretty much come to that conclusion. I just have not done any reserach into the moon landing.

You could say every American is stupid in this regard. Do you know the stock market crash of 1929 was a planned crash. Yet Americans in the government controled public schools tell us it was kind of an accident the result of many variables.

I'm at work now, and don't have my list of quotes but here is just one from one of the people in the know of how the world really works:

"For a long time I felt that FDR had developed many thoughts and ideas that were his own to benefit this country, the United States. But, he didn't. Most of his thoughts, his political ammunition, as it were, were carefully manufactured for him in advanced by the Council on Foreign Relations-One World Money group. Brilliantly, with great gusto, like a fine piece of artillery, he exploded that prepared "ammunition" in the middle of an unsuspecting target, the American people, and thus paid off and returned his internationalist political support. "The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power. "The depression was the calculated 'shearing' of the public by the World Money powers, triggered by the planned sudden shortage of supply of call money in the New York money market....The One World Government leaders and their ever close bankers have now acquired full control of the money and credit machinery of the U.S. via the creation of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank."
--Curtis Dall, FDR's son-in-law as quoted in his book, My Exploited Father-in-Law

I'm honestly not too sure about the moon landing...

Then Im sure that you dont know enough about them.

No, I know exactly how they supposedly happened. I just...I mean the Lunar Lander seems like it would need side thrusters to steady it. Plus there was no blast crater under the lunar lander.

No, I know exactly how they supposedly happened. I just...I mean the Lunar Lander seems like it would need side thrusters to steady it. Plus there was no blast crater under the lunar lander.

No, I know exactly how they supposedly happened. I just...I mean the Lunar Lander seems like it would need side thrusters to steady it. Plus there was no blast crater under the lunar lander.

19) NASA is keeping it secret that there is a mile high artificial tower on the moon.

Amazing! Please explain why no telescope has detected it. Even my own telescope would resolve an object that large.

Great thread. Intelligent. I can see that all organisations flurishing in the public eye hold secrets. There are the employees who report the crap of nasa and read the numbers....

Thanks hazzard, for making me think about the hoaxes.

How many moons and planets actually do not rotate on their access?

I don't share your belief that the mighty US government can do whatever they want,remember Watergate, "Weapons of MD" in Iraq and many other flukes that made the guys in control look like morons.If they cant keep the Clintons cigarr trick from the tabloids, the fake moon landing,with all the people involved, would have been out there along time ago,don't you think.
Can you post the name of the Apollo astronaut that said there were alien bases on the far side of the moon,thanks.

You know for a fact the government is not lying to you?

Watch the Disclosure project press conference.

About the moonlandings, I would bet my life on it.
MID pretty much said it all in his post on the first page,maby you should read more than just the last post in a thread before replying.

Like you said,homework!

Of course I watched the whole two hours...twice. Much to my disappointment actually. If all this is classified, then merely talking about it places these people in danger. They would've been in violation just by going public in such a forum and speaking of it. One guy had all this "classified" paper with him, transcripts, radar plots, etc. None of that was seen , of course, but there he was, supposedly carrying this material. How would he have it if it was classified and he was retired...no longer in service? All such material would've been locked away and he'd have been sworn to secrecy.

The melodrama of Jon Cypher, the singing, and the X-Files reference, lends a decided air of incredulity to the whole affair as well.

But again, as I said, this all has nothing to do with Apollo being faked.

It's just fine to search for extraterrestrial life. One day we'll find it. Maybe we already have. It doesn't matter...

Apollo cannot be disproved, and this thread was about people who believe in the Apollo hoax being "stupid".

How about we address that?

Stupid of course is a harsh word. Political correctness is a joke, but stupid is still inapproproitate for most people who adhere to that wild notion. Uninformed, intellectually lazy and unwilling to investigate, learn, and understand, or just removed by too much time from the actual events are likely more realistic terms, depending on who it is who is presenting the ideas.

There are those who are just low-life, schlocky journalists or liars or pseudo-scientists, like Sibrel, Kaysing, Percy, et.al. who have used people's ignorance of the facts to make a pretty decent living. They deserve a worse name than stupid, of course, but the vast majority of hoax adherents are simply uninformed.

Regards.

Clifford Stone is unique among those experiencing and investigating UFO and ET phenomenon. He spent 22 years in the US Army as a part of an extremely elite and secret group that was rapidly dispatched to crash sites in order to recover UFO or ET craft, bodies, and artifacts. Since his retirement from the Army, he has devoted his time to a diligent Freedom of Information Act search of government archives. He maintains that we have knowledge that intelligent life is visiting this planet in craft capable of traveling distances of many light years very quickly; effectively bypassing acceptably known physics. Further, he stresses that our recovery of these ET craft and artifacts have allowed our government to make staggering scientific gains of great potential benefit to the world. He maintains, as do many others, that this information is held in deeply secret programs beyond Constitutional controls and safeguards, and that despite the end of the cold war, those controlling these 'black projects' have continued to keep these important discoveries to themselves and for motives known only to them.

Sgt. Stone is coming forward with his story to encourage citizens and our elected officials to open investigations and end this Constitutional bypass by a powerful and covert organization operating under our noses and in our skies.

Clifford Stone was born in Portsmouth, Ohio. At an early age, he has memories of being contacted by ETs and that contact continues today. At age eight, he was befriended by an Air Force captain and that relationship continued through his early adult life. During the VietNam war, he felt an obligation to enlist in the Air Force but was rejected due to a skin affliction and classified 4F. He was advised by his friend, the captain, to try the Army and after a 'lenient' medical examination, he was allowed into the Army as a clerk typist, a job he never had to fulfill.

Within weeks, he found himself picked up in a staff car on the pretense of seeing a low ranking friend with a job at the Pentagon. On arrival, his friend's clearances allowed them into levels beneath the Pentagon, onto a tram, and soon he found himself thrust into a room and circumstances beyond imagination. His career was never normal, and for a newly minted soldier, he was suddenly thrust into the USA's deepest secrets: ETs are real and we are successfully recovering many of their craft intact as well as hundreds of ET artifacts worldwide. Further, we are familiar with much of their technologies and have in fact, back engineered some of the ET gear. After 22 years of being on the scene with ET craft and dead, wounded, and living ETs, Sgt. Stone is highly qualified as an expert in ET tech, black ops organizations/procedures, and the potentiality of ET contact to mankind.

Stone maintains that this secrecy is unconstitutional and beyond control and knowledge of our elected officials. Thereby, this represents a government hidden within our society with tremendous assets, funding, and knowledge.

This illegal government is operating without oversight, control, and the consent of the Executive, or Legislative branches.

Further, he feels this secrecy has split large parts of the citizenry into those that have seen UFO or ET craft/beings and those that place these observers in a category as something less than competent. Much of the malaise and mistrust of government can be attributed to a remarkable majority of its citizenry seeing or believing in these objects while the government and its officials and representatives deny or lack the courage to disclose what is now obvious. Also, the considerable scientific skills and assets of the world are for the most part, diverted by this bias from working on projects generations ahead of current understanding. This continues to allow important discoveries and advances within the control of the few.

Mr. Stone is bravely, and with resistance from covert quarters, coming forward with his story to do the following. He urges those in the know to admit that UFOs seen by millions worldwide are both ET and our own 'back engineered' ET-style craft. Release the abundant information and materials that show intelligent life is visiting our planet and has been monitored by numerous governments for decades. Provide the information that will allow our Constitutional government take back control of these deeply compartmented programs and restore confidence and trust in our system of government and military organizations. And at last, urge our government to finally entrust its citizens and the world with the truth about ET existence and technologies. With this information we can begin to formulate our place and relationship to other intelligent life in the cosmos. Sgt. Stone is a person that can provide the extraordinary evidence required for such extraordinary claims and provoke others to demand that the inheritance of mankind be reported to the all.

http://www.myufo.com/stone/

Scoob,go back and read post #6,that is as close to my reply about the Disclosure project as anyone else could get, MID simply beat me to it.

Disclosure Project, from about 5 years ago, was a UFO convention. There were no astronauts present speaking about their observations of "buildings" on the far side. There were no astronauts present at all.

It is dubious at the outset with an actor dramatizing in really rather silly fashion, and the thrust seems to be that people have seen UFOs, and the Government is withholding beneficial technologies that should be made public and which could save the planet from the "energy crisis" we face, and from the effects of "global warming". Various folks appear describing their experiences.

No "proof" at all was given for these people's assertions. Simply a bunch of folks stating what lots of others have stated in the past...they've seen evidence of UFOs.

Nothings wrong with that of course. Just about anyone in ATC or a pilot (like myself), has seen a UFO. It means little, being that the term simply means Unidentified Flying Object. It has utterly nothing to do with alien life. "UFOs" are reported and spoken of frequently in the aviation field. No one, however, says, "Aliens".

Now, that having been said, it seems rather logical that we are in fact not alone in the universe. The simple fact of the matter is that there is no evidence whatsoever that we have been recently visited by any of the life forms out there. There have been no sightings of alien artifacts on the surface of the moon.

Just as, in kind, there is no substantive scientific evidence that there is any such thing happening as global warming, or that there is an energy crisis.

You seem to be making the point that the government lies. Well, they have certainly done so, and likely will again. However, your point also seems to be that the government could in fact cover up something so immense and involved as the "hoaxed lunar landing", a project involving a decade of work by almost 400,000 people.

That assertion is just a wee bit elementary, and a bit of a stretch of the imagination.

I say this because they couldn't possibly have done so with all those people involved...after all, Nixon couldn't even cover up the clandestine little Watergate affair, a small operation involving a small group of people, and Clinton couldn't keep his little affairs private...

How do you think that the Apollo project could've possibly been faked and so incredibly covered up for almost 35 years, when such small potatoes things can't be hidden fdrom public scrutiny?

Regards.

So you are saying everyone of these people who worked for the US government are liars? They are willing to commit pergery in front of congress? Why was no proof ofered?, because they would have been thrown in jail. It's all classified. What they want is the govenrment to tell the public the truth. So you belive what the government says, but you should realize they only tell you whats declassified. It's a lie. the story will change when they declassify the info, and then your reality will change because they control your reality, and I don't think you realize that. Some of these people worked in government with classified levels where they know we have alien UFO's, they were in charge of keeping them secret. Why have the astronauts not come forward you think. They have sworn an oath of secrecy, and they would have broken the law if they spoke. They would have been arrested. Stop trusting the government to create your reality, it's all a matter of perception.

As I had indicated, if these people were actually sworn to silence, this very gathering would've been cut off at the neck. It wasn't. Then again, perhaps after the fact these folks were corralled and told to can it by the government. Who knows.

I cannot say they are liars. They are saying what they want to, for whatever reasons. I believe they saw UFOs. If one of them wants to say he's actually seen aliens, fine. I can neither believe it or disbelieve it. I am not concerned quite frankly. What does it mean...that there's life out there besides ours? So? I thoroughly expect that. I do not think that any major cultural shock would result from revelations of alien life or contact with it. Maybe that's just me.

As to the Astronauts, I should say that UFOs were sighted several times, including on the Apollo 11 flight. I will also state that the sightings were not reported as such by the crews, who used discreet language to ask specific questions to try and narrow down what it was they were seeing.

This was done not to hide anything...but to prevent what was inevitable if the use of the common aviation term "UFO" was said over the public feed: that being speculation, conspiracy theorizing, and all sorts of associated crap that people typically indulge in when they don't understand something. The headlines would've read, "Moon Walkers Spy Aliens!" had they mentioned on the public feed that they were seeing something out one of their windows. Thus, they'd ask, "Houston, can you tell us where the S4B would be right about now, over?" because they were seeing a uniformly flashing white object out one of their windows while in trans-lunar coast some 150,000 miles out in space, where nothing should've been (a spinning LM covering panel from the S4B shroud, some 50-100 miles distant, the logical explanation based on trajectory analysis, would never have been bought. It would've morphed into aliens watching Apollo 11. That's why these things were never mentioned.

No astronaut saw anything alien. However, many of them, including Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong, and Mike Collins, will tell you they saw a UFO on their flight. Means nothing really.

How about we get back to the hoaxers and stay off the alien thing? It's irrelevant.

Regards.

Thanks for your post, but I'm really trying to get hazzard to answer a simple question about it he watched it or not.

Do you think the government would tell the public if we discovered aliens or UFOs. If you say yes, I have to assume to didn't pay close attention to a couple of the speakers in the two hour press conference.

And one last thing,lets get back on topic. Moonhoaxbelievers.

Check this out.
http://www.partiallyclips.com/index.php?id=1089&b=1&c=1

Omg you guys, this thread is still going strong unfortunately...
Obviously this guys a fool:
http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/Are%20hoax%2...rs%20stupid.htm

"3) They made the Apollo 13 movie don't you think they could have made the other Apollo landings fake? I do!!"

You mean Ron Howard,omg...

"Well, that proves it was all a hoax then. Also proves the Titanic didn't sink either. (How do you answer such a stupid remark?)"

Hmm...by answering with another stupid remark you p@nzee.

"4) On almost ALL of my research papers I got off the Internet" *illegal by the way* "they say they filmed Apollo 11 in the Nevada Desert!!"

Whos they, you and your little chatroom buddies?
"That about wraps it up then," (your the one that should get wrapped up buddy) "it must have been a hoax. I dread to think the sites you selected." (Which happened to be yours)

"THEORIES WITH PROBLEMS"
http://www.thekeyboard.org.uk/index.htm

The only theory with a problem is that dudes existence.

Remember that dudes title to his site:
Are Moon Hoax believers stupid?
I think not

Their opinions may seem stupid, but they themselves are not "stupid".

Here's somthing I came across

To make interstellar travel believable NASA was created. The Apollo Space Program foisted the idea that man could travel to, and walk upon, the moon. Every Apollo mission was carefully rehearsed and then filmed in large sound stages at the Atomic Energy Commissions Top Secret test site in the Nevada Desert and in a secured and guarded sound stage at the Walt Disney Studios within which was a huge scale mock-up of the moon.

All names, missions, landing sites, and events in the Apollo Space Program echo the occult metaphors, rituals, and symbology of the Illuminati's secret religion. The most transparent was the faked explosion on the spacecraft Apollo 13, named "Aquarius" (new age) at 1:13 (1313 military time) on April 13, 1970 which was the metaphor for the initiation ceremony involving the death (explosion), placement in the coffin (period of uncertainty of their survival), communion with the spiritual world and the imparting of esoteric knowledge to the candidate (orbit and observation of the moon without physical contact), rebirth of the initiate (solution of problem and repairs), and the raising up (of the Phoenix, the new age of Aquarius) by the grip of the lions paw (reentry and recovery of Apollo 13). 13 is the number of death and rebirth, death and reincarnation, sacrifice, the Phoenix, the Christ (perfected soul imprisoned in matter), and the transition from the old to the new. Another revelation to those who understand the symbolic language of the Illuminati is the hidden meaning of the names of the Space Shuttles, "A Colombian Enterprise to Endeavor for the Discovery of Atlantis... and all Challengers shall be destroyed."

Exploration of the moon stopped because it was impossible to continue the hoax without being discovered. And of course they ran out of pre-filmed episodes.

No man has ever ascended much higher than 300 miles, if that high, above the Earth's surface. At or under that altitude the astronauts are beneath the radiation of the Van Allen Belt and the Van Allen Belt shields them from the extreme radiation which permeates space. No man has ever orbited, landed on, or walked upon the moon in any publicly known space program. If man has ever truly been to the moon it has been done in secret and with a far different technology.

The tremendous radiation encountered in the Van Allen Belt, solar radiation, cosmic radiation, Solar flares, temperature control, and many other problems connected with space travel prevent living organisms leaving our atmosphere with our known level of technology. Any intelligent high school student with a basic physics book can prove NASA faked the Apollo moon landings

If you doubt this please explain how the astronauts walked upon the moons surface enclosed in a space suit in full sunlight absorbing a minimum of 265 degrees of heat surrounded by a vacuum... and that is not even taking into consideration any effects of cosmic radiation, Solar flares, micrometeorites, etc. NASA tells us the moon has no atmosphere and that the astronauts were surrounded by the vacuum of space.

http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm

look into it if it interestes you.

It was really just intellectual laziness on my part. I came across it while reading up on something else, and thought I would post it.

Good to see you know more about this then I do.

Are moon hoax believers stupid?

Yes

I don't know about people who believe in moon hoax theories, but anyone who perpetrated such a hoax is most definitely stupid. It must be costing them billions a year to keep it going by now, plus they've got to build a new spaceship, fly to the moon - with replicas of everything they claim was left there - without anyone knowing, and all before the Chinese get there.

Blimey, if there was a moon hoax I reckon you're gonna see a 200% tax hike in the USA next year at the very least!

Why would the Government want to pretend they landed on the moon? What could they gain from it?