A nightmarish US super weapon reportedly was employed by American ground forces during chaotic street fighting in Baghdad. The secret tank-mounted weapon was witnessed in all its frightening power by Majid al-Ghazali, a seasoned Iraqi infantryman who described the device and its gruesome effects as unlike anything he had ever encountered in his lengthy military service. The disturbing revelation is yet another piece of cinematic evidence brought back from postwar Iraq by intrepid filmmaker Patrick Dillon.

In the film, al-Ghazali, whose english is less than fluent, describes the weapon as reminiscent of a flame thrower, only immensely more powerful. It is unclear what principle the weapon is based on. Searching for a description, al-Ghazali said it appeared to be shooting concentrated lightning bolts rather than just ordinary flames. Drawing on his many years as a professional engineer, al-Ghazali speculates that radiation of some kind probably figures into the weapon's hideous capabilities. Like all men in Saddam's Iraq, al-Ghazali was compelled to serve in the Iraqi equivalent of the Army National Guard and fought in three wars over the past thirty-odd years. Via email, he told me he has seen virtually every type of conventional weapon employed in battle, and is well acquainted with their effects on people and machines, but nothing in his extensive combat experience prepared him for the shock of what he saw in Baghdad on April 12th.

Source: Rense

seems a bit like overkill, eh? where is the source of this news? i don't know if i trust this article one bit. i mean, why mount some super atomic flame thrower gadget on a tank? what purpose would that have? maybe just for melting buses and creating atrocities that would shock the world. ya, that's the kind of thing we want.

not to mention we send this uber weapon to the front lines where it could be captured and used against us.

I read this article a while ago on rense.com

I usually visit that site a lot throughout the day, but I must admit that most of the articles available on it seem a little outlandish at times. It entertains me though.

I have to laugh at that darn picture too.

Would not surprise me if the US army uses the war to test new weapons.
Great opportunity to test them in "action"
Has been done before.

lightning and fire? melted cars and soldiers?, maybe some kind of microwave weapon (hence the radiation and lightning) or a plasma based weapon (fire?)

yes, we wanted to find a bus full of people to turn into little burned corpses. maybe some women and children would be even better! we could make little cookie sized corpses.

you Europeans astound me sometimes. so insulting. its like Americans are nothing more than wannabe nazis to you all. we are just itching to commit atrocities and you have to check up on us to keep us in line. hell, we do it all the time!

I don´t dislike Americans...

Americans are Paranoid sometimes maybe but not evil.

And US army does test new weapons at war....then if it misses it´s target it is a different story.

Lots and lots of wonderful things comes from USA and I don´t know what the world would look like if USA didn´t exist..
I glad that Saddam and Usama didn´t/don´t have that kind of firepower at their hands.
But still I don´t agree with everything that the US gov does...no reason to loose your temper over that. Hell I don´t agree fully with any gov.
There are good and bad people in every single country in the world.

This story does have a Weekly World News ring to it, though.

lose my temper? how would you feel if i dug some crap up about Sweden doing some horrible thing to civilians and then agreed that it might be true? paranoid? well damn right im paranoid. im paranoid that there are actually a lot of Europeans who would believe this without hesitation because they think we are capable of this type of thing. i don't care if i was in the army and my superior officer told me to fry a bus full of people with our special weapon, i would tell him to go to hell and get his superior on the phone. any reasonable American soldier would do the same thing, im certain of it. we don't go around frying buses filled with civilians, regardless of whatever psycho propaganda you people read.

Thats not true....There is lots of people over here that support Americans (In Sweden anyway) And most seem tired of the terror acts in Iraq and Israel too....Many of those who criticizesed Americans heavy is now quiet when the UN was blown up. And they understand the situation better.

And we all know, if we think about it, that we don´t want to know what would have happened if Saddam still was running that country.
But I understand where you are coming from.

At the same time you too only have medias reports from which to build an opinion of the europeans, and what they/we think about USA and the war.
( and then maybe a few nutcases on the net )

Must goto sleep now..it´s 15 past midnight over here.

Nice talking to you Bizarro

Dude bizarro, all governments test weapons at battle, but in any conflict theres going to be civilian casualties, i doubt anyone was ordered to fire on a bus, maybe the man was lieing,but its a story none the less, and it still has to be proven to be true, just take it with a pinch of salt dude, and i'm sorry if any of my comments offend you.

im sorry. im totally appalled. take it with a pinch of salt? maybe the man is lying? this story is total nonsense. all it is doing is playing on fears of American militarism, that some people will eat up.

tell me, what purpose would destroying a bus full of civilians have for testing this weapon? none of those targets listed were military targets at all. couldn't we test our weapon back here in the good ole USA on our own buses or mock towns (or heaven forbid animals)? why risk word of such a dastardly act getting out? oh, we rushed bulldozers in to cover our tracks(that ought to foil anyone looking for proof!) we would be war criminals if word of this horror got out. that would go against everything we stand for and also hinder us building this into an international effort (which we try to do more everyday). did you notice that the Iraqi who told this story is going to visit the US? we must have paid him off to shut up

Well.... rense.com's disclaimer proves their stories aren't always accurate

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I don't think anyone really knows what goes on within governements except those who run it. But i won't believe anything myself based solely on something someone somewhere said... To many some's

I take the probabilities into factor and take out the improbabilities.... and that's what most likely happened.

Not worth getting worked up over though ....

Every nation did things wrong.. the Dutch liked to trade slaves and we did some massacres in the past when we where at the top of our power.

The probabaly are testing weapons in this war, but I doubt they used it on a bus with civilians. But accidents happen, they did shoot that cameraman last week, didn't they.. But those are the things that can happen in a war.

Odin

I'll be the first to admit that the US has done some things wrong before. But this whole Iraq thing gives me bad feelings. Not the kind you'd think Either.

I personally think the UN and countries such as france have hid the wmd's for Saddam during the initial investigation and allowed false intellegence to the Wars supporters.

Given we had been pressing teh UN hard since 9-11 i think they have tired of us and are trying to Discredit the US and UK (as seen by PM Blairs unfortuante resignation).

I may not always trust my gov. but I have learned never to trust thr UN.

This story is true!!

I've seen an article on this subject in a poplar science magazine.

It's a huge dish with very large tubes, commanded by 3 soldiers.

It shoots out an invisible high intensity heat ray, which burns people as far as 1 mile away.

Wendy

any chance you could post the full article for all to see or at least the interesting parts?

Bizarro

I suspect the witness has let his understandable panic, and the ever-present fog of war cloud his judgement. If the US army had a new super weapon, they'd more than likely show it off to the press, as usual.

No? Remember all the `sexy' hardware we are always shown before every campaign?

And stop the Yank bashing. Very student politics, very cliched liberal, very tiresome.

Thank You cufflink.

You're welcome.

you want to know the funny thing, Odin? i can interact with you without always putting something about the Dutch being slaverunners somewhere in my post... or how i dislike your idiotic Dutch leader.

wouldn't it be nice if you could do the same

Blair didn't resign, his cheif advisor did...

You shouldn't believe this story, it's probably just some anti-American propaganda - to get the masses against them.

One thing also: YOU try being the country that the UN calls on when something goes wrong in one of a gazillion countries then have something like 9-11 happen, and try NOT to punch the lights out of some imbicile who says we deserved it.


Yeah we're the UN police force and when we try to defend OUR country everyone is against us. Real intellegent guys, real intellegent.

The phrase I want to use would get me kicked of so I'll use this one to all of the US bashers.....[edited out]

Edit:
PSO, don't do this, please. Thank you.

lighting gun, huh? Horrifiy as it sounds, hopful it does not fall into the wrong hands...

Bizarro,

You need to calm down a bit. Americans have worse opinions than that about Canada and France because they would not participate in the war. Remember 'Freedom Fries' and 'Freedom Bacon'?

Countries disagree with one another occasionally. Besides, people were not saying that this weird weapon was definitly real and Americans were brutalizing Iraqi citizens for fun. They were just pointing out that historically new weapons have been used in a war to test them.

There is no reason for you to get angry over this. Nobody is calling you evil or neo-nazis. If we can't say anything that is even slightly not in the favor of the US, what is the point? Can't we talk?

In conclusion, can we please stop arguing like this? Let's keep the forum clean, free of offensive comments, and try not to get unjustly defensive when nothing really offensive has been said.

hey well, maybe they were testing thier tank-like-weapon,the US is just so advance in thier tech.it's like almost every year they'll come up with something more advance!!
it's not i'm saying that the US only comes out with war associated stuff but they're just one great and modern nation,i'm really astonished by them.hope they wipe out those crazy terrorists clean!!

calm down? im perfectly calm. im not allowed to get worked up over a blatantly false article such as this?

i was offended by the original article, not what people said.

Well put, Bizarro.

Yes Bizzaro good one. I too am offended by this article And I hope 90% of you bashing us remember if it wasn't for us you'd all be goosestepping and eating sauerkraut.

People forget the sacrifices made by the Americans to free Europe.

American, British and Canadian graves in France were vandalized during the first few days of the second gulf campaign.

Expressions such as remove your dead from our soil, were daubed around the cemetary.

I know the vast majority of Continental Europeans wouldn't condone that.

But the morons who carried out those sick attacks forget that those in the ground helped give them the freedom to express themselves, in the first place.

i think those Canadian history books are screwing with your mind. as i recall, Britain had its back against the wall and the super Canadian Navy was not able to protect the convoys of food that were being sunk everyday in the Atlantic. i don't think anyone is degrading the fact that Canadians (amongst others) died valiantly in WWII, but like it or not we were the turning point in the war. had we not come when we did, it is very likely that Britain would have fallen- even already having the support of the mighty Canadians. the people were starving and the situation was very dire. i think the true heroes of that moment in history were the British pilots who kept the Germans at bay long enough for us to get supplies and men to help.

Hey uranium I couldn't make out your post for all the sixth grade typing errors could ya do me a favor and tell me what it was all "aboot?"

Hmm, i cant imagine the US testing a super-weapon in baghdad.
The Iraq war was under far too much media scrutiny - i dont know about in the US, but here in the UK our journalists were all over baghdad like flies. And let me tell you the guardian would have printed somthing like that!
A friend of mine works at a very high level for one of the major papers over here - unfortunatly one of the corporate owned ones. They do have stuff that the government asks them not to print from time to time, but the guardian group are the most likely to ignore these things. My friend tells me about quite a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes and he would have told me about any reports of anything like this, he is more interested in the truth than his job.

Although im not defending America in general here - while the majority of the american people are incredibly kind hearted, the fact that the Government is so intertwined with major corporations (particularly in the energy & basic infrastructure feilds) can be incredibly damaging to the world. The whole 'free market' thing is a joke.

Possibly because I'm a smug, self-important hand-wringing liberal.

I tell you this, Cufflink, I'd rather be that, than the kind of person who says 'any chance to cause trouble for the governments of the UK or USA would be gratefully taken. ', as if causing trouble for the government was some sort of disgrace we should all be outraged about.

exactly, it climbs well and truly up its own arse quite regualry but f**** it... Its the closest thing to a "free press" in the british mainstream

funny, i thought the purpose of the press was truth seeking as a part of reporting. the press shouldn't be politicized, although it always is.

when a story is lacking in facts, i don't think it should be reported by a credible news source. this article is an example of why. any decent news organization would have people checking sources and fact checking behind these type of claims. you want some facts... find me a case of US servicemen raping Iraqi women, or better yet pillaging Iraqi homes. there are none. not a single one. i bet there are some news organizations just chomping at the bit in Iraq right now wanting us to abuse our authority so they can expose us for political gains. the fact that there are no cases of this type of thing shows exactly why the original article of this thread is a total joke. we just wouldn't do that type of thing and if we did it would surely be on the front page of papers around the world.

Once again Bizarro you are correct. Also remember we are on the eve of the two year anniversary of 9/11. One of the most painful moments in our lives. I watched something last night about the attacks and I still cried as hard as I did that day.

That is why this story enrages me so.

but I know we will overcome such things....


One last note:[SIZE=14][COLOR=blue] In memory of the 9/11 lost and those who have died protecting our nation form another attack.

God bless them all.