Ok, ive always had a belief of god, but never had a chance to say it. Now that ive found a site to explain my beleifs, please have an open mind, and attain an open perspective on this subject.

After reading the book Chariots of the gods by Daniken, it totally changed my view of who god is, and why he was here.

When you think of the virgin mary, what do you think of? The lady who mothered baby Jesus? Being a virgin, becoming pregnant with the son of god?
One thing that comes to mind about this mystery is: How the hell can a woman get pregnant while never having sex or loosing her virginity? We can do it today, its called artificial insemination. What i think is that Jesus WAS the SON of God, technically speaking. Ever heard that saying "God is in each and everyone of us,"? Well, if your lookin at this in my perspective, were talkin genetically. If we all have some genetic genes from god, technically speaking, he IS in each and everyone of us.

There are two stories in the bible that involve angels walking and talking. The first one is the visitation experienced by Ezekiel. This is one of the biblical stories that probably most of you understand or have heard of before. Please read this site(http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Bible/Ezekiel1.html), it contains the biblical entry. After reading it, this is a paraphrase implying that Ezekeil witnessed and extraterrestrial experience.

"4 And I looked, and, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, a great cloud, with a fire flashing up, so that a brightness was round about it; and out of the midst thereof as the colour of electrum, out of the midst of the fire," This means that an ACTUAL object came from the north, having the reference of an object and place clearly puts it in a plausible context. The wirlwind of fire can also be paraphrased, it could be an object entering the atmosphere, or a rocket.

"5 And out of the midst thereof came the likeness of four living creatures. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man," This is Ezekiel explaining that there is four "living creatures" coming before him. These creatures are, in my opinion, four flying mechanisms of some sort. And by "likeness of a man," I think he meant it in the perspective as, none other than a man could make such a creature, or device.

"7 And their feet were straight feet; and the sole of their feet was like the sole of a calf's foot; and they sparkled like the colour of burnished brass," still explaining these "creatures". They had feet of burnished brass, clearly depicting metal being used for these devices.

"13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like coals of fire, burning like the appearance of torches; it flashed up and down among the living creatures; and there was brightness to the fire," What do you think? Jet engine? Rocket engine? in that time?

"16 The appearance of the wheels and their work was like unto the colour of a beryl; and they four had one likeness; and their appearance and their work was as it were a wheel within a wheel" Ok everyone, this is one of those mysteries that everyone is trying to figure out. How the hell can a WHEEL be within a WHEEL? Let me tell you some hints. They already exist today, we use them for all terrain vehicle.....non other that the wheels of a tank.

"26 And above the firmament that was over their heads was the likeness of a throne, as the appearance of a sapphire stone; and upon the likeness of the throne was a likeness as the appearance of a man upon it above," Now it gets creepy, now this guy is describing a cockpit.

Just to let you guys all know, this is from the old testament, this stuff was writen over 2000 years ago.

The next story is the story of Lot and the destruction of Sodom.

According to the Bible, the men of Sodom were wicked. They were sinners against the Lord. The depiction of the bible included men having sex with men and married women having sex with women and men. God decided to destroy them. God wouldnt desroy the city because there was one good man in that city, his name was Lot. God allowed Lot, the one good man living there, to flee the town with his family before God showed his wrath. So god sent out two angels to save him from the destruction of Sodom. These angels led them out of the city. For the wicked people of Sodom, not even that escape was open to them: soon the Lord showed his displeasure, and 'rained down fire and brimstone... He destroyed everyone living there and everything growing in the ground. But Lot's wife disobeyed God's warning not to look back towards Sodom as she fled, and she was turned into a pillar of salt, where she stood.

This is one story more plausible by scientist of actually occuring (People think Ezekiel's story was simply a metaphor), though no proof of this city has been found archeologically.
The only one thing that supprises me about this story is that God(being refered as a person) sent two angels(also being referred as people) to get Lot out of Sodom. Could this fire and brimstone be an atomic bomb?

I know you must be bored of this stuff, so i got one more story that solidifies my beleifs upon God, angels and their existence in our past.

On June 30, 1908 at about 7:30 a.m. a huge 15 megaton explosion occurred in remote Siberia, near the Podkamennaya Tunguska River. The explosion flattened thousands of square miles, and the seismic shock wave was detected as far away as London. People miles way from the explosion saw a mushroom cloud appear. So the only theory that people came up with in 1921, was that there was a meteor that entered the atmosphere then proceeded to hit the earth with tremendous force. So scientists went to check it out to find this meteor. Being the only theory at the time, they needed to find a meteor, but there wasnt a meteor. After the war, a russian scientist related the Siberian explosion with the hiroshima explosion, attaining only one conclusion: it could only have been an atomic bomb.
Check this out....how can you have an atomic explosion in 1908 when the atomic bomb was invented in 1945?
Meh, these are my beleifs, daniken explains that 3rd story alot better. I strongly suggest you read this book. Its based DIRECTLY with danikens research(hes that guy you always see on the discovery channel who always talks about egypt's pyramids and stuff).

Here are some other quick facts:
The mayans were amaizing astromoners. They knew the orbit of mercury, the moon and the sun almost mathematically. They knew the earth had 365 days in a year, and that the earth was round. And i can bet that they didnt have a crew of scientists who fighured all that out.

The pyramids are exactly geographically in the center of gravity of Africa, they also align, (off by about a degree) approximately parallel with North East South West.

The Adam and Eve story, about the fruit, and man wanting it, is suprisingly very similar to buhdism.(check it out yourself)

AHAH! Heres another one... Ever heard biblical stories of god or an angel appearing in front of ones bed while they were sleeping?...This is like nowadays, what happens before you get abducted? Yes, they wake you up when ur sleeping.

How the hell do we get sunburns if we've evolved from a primal ape species? If we've been on this planet for so long, why would we still get sunburns?

I know what you all must think, im a crazy freak. But hey, im open to what you all think, please speak your opinion. Do you believe me? Is there a gap in this post that i could have missed? I would be glad to hear what you have to say in regards to this long, long, post.

thats some interesting stuff man especially thsi part

How the hell do we get sunburns if we've evolved from a primal ape species? If we've been on this planet for so long, why would we still get sunburns?

i never thought about that

Your not crazy at all.

Everything you said is interesting to me also... It was a nice read.

For you to say "God is in all of us..." I totally agree. Personally I don't think its ONE god but a race of superior life. I have a theory that whatever life created us might not be of biological origin. I am not saying a computer created us, or a machine for that matter, MACHINES and COMPUTERS are in fact primitive to biological organisms... in every way.

You notice in most religion there is a relative belief that we are gods children, I believe that. I think we are in fact half god and half ape, or something alike. Perhaps we are mutations of the ape, but mutated to be slaves. We will never know... not until we have E.T. contact, and that might not be in our lifetimes.

But think about this, please. What if 12000 years to an alien is like 2 years to us? Meaning, what if E.T., God, whatever you want to call them, happens to be able to live for a few hundred thousand, possibly a million years? That could very well explain our existence.

THINK ABOUT THIS

REALLY THINK ABOUT THIS

What is the one thing human have accomplished, through in and throughout, very consistantly, for every year we have walked this planet???

MULTIPLIED.

We could very well be a breeding ground for alien food, we, in fact, might as well be considered primate steak, or a fillet-o-human

But looking towards a brighter side (and hoping, too) ... we can definatly hope that we are special, and we have some kind of energetic soul, and we float away when we die. Only to become to lord of a world filled with a million virgins.

Ohhhh wait wait wait... that mormonism, sorry.

Take away that last sentence on the brighter side paragraph... and fill it in with "Only to mature into a sentinental creature".

Aww I sure as hell hope we are special

Edit: Oh yeah... sunburns. Well I believe we used to be protected by sunburn, from hair and darker pigment. But as humans started to expand, and start differant colonies and lose contact with eachother.... some of us lost that pigment because they were in a insulated structure for half of the year in winter, and they lost the hair because of the clothes we started wearing, throughout generations, the clothes started rubbing the hair off... and also told our bodies we no longer needed hair to insulate since our body temps were higher, due to the clothes. Hmm I hope you understand all of that I kind of typed in a hurry. Sunburns are caused from exsessive being in the sun. The people that are always in the sun have darker pigment due to evolution therefore they are naturally immune to sunburn. Look at the people at the equator... Do they look pale to you? Yes yes, they can get sunburnt too, but after being out there REALLY long, and on the hottest days... but even they are not that stupid. They go in doors... or under cover wile its bad. You also have to think about the fact being out in the sun makes a human sweat.... when you down by the equator and don't have much fresh water around.... you have to survive on the little water you get.... therefore cut back on being out in the sun to prevent yourself from sweating. Humans have been doing all this stuff for millions of years and it will never make us invincible to sunburns.

Sorry that was so long.

There are several gaps here.

A "megaton explosion" is an expression used to describe the intensity of an explosion... as if there were "X thousand tons of dynamite". The area in Tunguska is huge peat bog area, nearly always frozen. If a large meteorite hit, there is a HUGE probability that it hit and created a hole - that was covered by peat moss as the water/swamp flowed back into the area. The first investigation of the area was during the summer - so it was effectively "too late" to find the meteorite.

It is there - just under the muck.

Secondly, a "wheel within a wheel" could very easily be something similar to our standard auto tire. Wheels back then only had a thin band of metal around the wood - and was nearly invisible from the side - so it was just "a wheel". An auto tire would look silly, as you have a working wheel, INSIDE another wheel. Just a thought...

The pyramids are not in the geographic center of ANYTHING - Africa, Egypt or even the Middle East. Unless you want to consider trade routes... the description doesn't fit in any way.

"Why do we get sunburns if we evolved from an ape?" Why do we have feet if we evolved from an amoeba? Simple.

BECAUSE WE EVOLVED!!

We no longer share ALL the traits of our ancestors. And dark skinned critters CAN still get sunburn - if they are kept out of the sun for several months, reintroducing them to the sun CAN result in sunburn. What you say leads me to think that you believe that African peoples can't get sunburnt either. Sorry - I've seen it.

Once a person gets out in the sun a lot, they eventually get "immune" to sunburn. Their skin gets "cooked" and they no longer burn... just like apes. So at the end of the summer, beautiful beach babes are more closely related to apes than the pale northern snow babes?? Sorry, but your science doesn't hold up.

i seen this thing on the birth of christ some time ago, i cant remember how long ago it was , but the gist of it was about how could we explain that mary gave birth while still being a virgin?

it was stated that she could have been a hemorphadite/ male and female orgains in tack and working(which is possible but very unlikely to happen at all).
so sorry for the deluded post, but it was some time ago and i dont remember the actual statistics/or the dudes name that was discriben how it could have happen, all i really remember was it s was on the history channel...

it was said that if she/or he, mary was a hemorphadite, then it is possible that she could have inseminated her/him self,,,,, if both parents genes where passed on in the correct order( but this is really rare ), i just wish i could remember more so it dosent seem like im maken up sh!t here..
but if you think about it, if something like that can happen but is unlikely to happen frequently then the child born would prolly be very speacial any how even if its all statistics..
sorry just my two cents.

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Welcome also Amrit Nijjar
And also to itsjustadeer

I've always found this to be an interesting topic. Daniken's research sounds very similar to Zechariah Sitchin and Alan F. Alford (among others). It's a theory that grows ever more popular each day.

Perhaps. But what possible need would ancient humanity have for wearing clothes in the first place if they were hairy and didn't need it? It seems (to me at least) stupid to do so. Does an ape go and wear pants? No, because they don't need to (and they don't have the capabilities to do so, but that's not really the point).

Just a thought.

Regards, PA

but that is like asking why we have a tail bone if we never had tails, or why we have an appendix if it never did anything, or why the kidneys are a part of the peripheral circulatory system and shut down during shock, unless shock is an extremely primitive remnant of an earlier stage of evolution. no, don't ask any frigging questions, ignore science. it wan't clothes, but there were climate changes over millions of years, and people with less hair didn't die in infancy, grew up, and bred, and changed the gene pool! OF COURSE IT HAPPENED. Why do you have to refuse to believe in evolution because you were taught by some minister it was against the bible? Live and die in ignorance, if you want to. Stop taking antibiotics, and live by firelight. Why believe in gravity? it wasn't taught in the bible. electricity and nuclear energy, too-draw the line at any scientific developments fo the last 2000 years. unplug your computer-it's not mentioned in genesis or revelations, so it must be from satan! that car, too! why draw the line at evolution? because it's convenient?

Gideon, you really need to lighten up a little. I am not against evolution, nor was my post anti-evolutionary in nature. I was querying the specific post that we don't have hair now, because people wore clothes and didn't need hair anymore.

You should know me better by now. Seriously mate. Don't get all argumentative just because I question one thing. When have you known me to EVER say something on the basis of "my minister told me, it must be true"?

Regards, PA

you may remember i try to antagonize everyone here.the original guy who said that abiout the clothes was just too ignorant to reply to. please feel honored. I thought you were more worthy of antagonizing.

Not to spoil your fun, but Daniken has been debunked many a-times!



So the logical conclusion would be that it wasnt an atomic explosion...

Right now, it is said that what exploded was a meteor. It didnt impact the Earth though.



So?



It supposedly happens... some times...



Evolution doesnt make us immortal and invulnerable... And personally... I dont really get sunburns.

You might want to look into "Vimanas", "Ancient India" an "Ancient atomic bomb". While I dont necessairly agree with what most of the sites from google say... its still an interesting read.

Someone could use a chill pill.

Awww, you do love me after all

like a son

DADDY!!!!

back to the topic. I can't even imagine anyone "disproving" von daniken, unless we get mass contact from god denying it. there have been many other authors writing about "gods from outer space". there are a number of people that have written "nut books", as I fondly call them, about planet Nibiru, the tenth planet, that comes in contact with the earth every 25000 years. maybe. I just wish they'd show back up again (yeah, right). my feeling is this: until they find definite remnants of ancient spaceports, or god appears to the whole world, the jury is out. Since I have personally had many supernatural experiences, I go for the spiritual answer. again, the jury is still out.

nibiru - that's Sitchin and Alford speak that is

Your theory about God being an alien isn't groundbreaking (and I say that to say that you shouldn't think that you're out on a limb or being nutty to say that, as opposed to saying that you are out on a limb and being nutty, so I don't mean that as an insult).

The space rock that hit Russia either embedded itself in soft ground or was shattered on impact. If you throw a rock against concrete, the concrete will show impact, while the rock will break into many pieces.

my son, you've actually read some of this garbage, too? amazing.

true, or maybe the explosion was prior to an experimental atomic bomb. I mean, the americans weren't the only ones inventing it. evidence shows that german scientists were also near to completeing the blue-prints and begin making the bomb, but the war ended before it was manifactured and before the blue-prints were completed.

so that explosion may have been an early made atomic bomb being tried out.

...or you know, it could have just been a meteor that exploded on impact. as Area69 explained.

Gideon you seem to agree with evolution which is fair enough, but do you believe God is an "Alien"? I believe in Evolution being part of Gods works with the changing world, the world changes and we change with it- yet i'm very keen on not believing God is an Alien of any sort.

The origin of the Christian God, is the Hebrew God, as is attested to in the Old Testament, which the christian version is so overly edited it is sad.

Yes, I do read things other than Christian apologetics.

I quite enjoyed God's of the New Millenium (Alford's book). 'twas a most interestng read.

Regards, PA

In 1908? Before the first world war? Nazi Germany didnt even exist then. It's highly unlikely that any such device was used there in 1908... They could barely make planes back then.