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The beneficial effects of a widely used class of antidepressants might be the result of increased nerve-fiber growth in key parts of the brain, according to a Johns Hopkins study being published in the January 2006 issue of the Journal of Neurochemistry.

The study on rats, led by Vassilis E. Koliatsos, M.D., a neuropathologist at the Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, found that selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) increase the density of nerve-impulse-carrying axons in the frontal and parietal lobes of the neocortex and part of the limbic brain which control the sense of smell, emotions, motivation, and organs that work reflexively such as the heart, intestines and stomach. “It appears that SSRI antidepressants rewire areas of the brain that are important for thinking and feeling, as well as operating the autonomic nervous system,” said Koliatsos.

Axons are long, filament-shaped extensions of neurons that, together with myelin, are the main constituents of nerves. Axons conduct chemically driven nerve impulses away from the cell body toward a narrow gap known as a synapse. Among the chemicals involved are such monoamines as norepinephrine and serotonin, which, at the synapse, are transferred to another neuron.

Antidepressants, such as Prozac, Zoloft and Paxil, have long been thought to exert their clinical effects by increasing synaptic concentrations of serotonin and norepinephrine, enhancing or stimulating their transference.

“But our findings -- that serotonin reuptake modulators increase the density of nerve synapses, especially in the front part of the brain - may offer a better explanation of why antidepressants are effective and why they take time to work,” according to Koliatsos.

For example, antidepressants increase synaptic monoamines within hours, and the regulatory effects on receptors are complete within a few days, yet clinically meaningful results from antidepressants usually require a two- to four-week delay.

“This disparity between simple pharmacological effects and clinical experience might be due to the time it takes for serotonin axons to grow,” Koliatsos said.

“For the patient, this hypothesis provides more tangible evidence of a real effect in the brain,” he added.

In the Hopkins study, Koliatsos and his team gave either the selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor fluoxetine (Prozac), the selective serotonin reuptake enhancer tianeptine (a drug approved only for human use in France) or the selective norepineprine reuptake inhibitor desipramine, a so-called tricyclic antidepressant, to groups of rats for four weeks and studied anatomical patterns of serotonin stimulation on various parts of the brain. The results showed that fluoxetine and tianeptine, but not desipramine, increased the density of serotonin axons in the frontal and parietal neocortex and certain limbic cortical and subcortical areas.

One possible explanation for this action is the brain-derived growth factor (BDNF). BDNF is regulated by levels of serotonin and is known to be a prime candidate for causing serotonin axon growth, Koliatsos said.

In general, the relationships between brain serotonin concentrations and BDNF expression are very complex, but previous studies have suggested that both higher (such as caused by serotonin reuptake inhibitors) and lower (such as effected by tianeptine) concentrations of free serotonin might induce BDNF expression in such brain regions as the frontal and parietal cortex.

The researchers caution that since a previous study failed to show a correlation between tianeptine treatment and BDNF levels, further investigation of the complex regulations of BDNF by antidepressants is needed.

Funding for this study came from the National Institute of Mental Health.
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Great for those people that the pills actually work for.

What though if you have a bad reaction to the pills or that one drug isn't right for you? Are you just screwed because of the affects it's already had on your brain or can this be reversed? What really are the risks to this then with this 'new growth'? hmm.gif
crystal sage
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In the United States, a black box warning (also sometimes called a black label warning) is a type of warning that appears on the package insert for prescription drugs that may cause serious adverse effects. It is so named for the black border that usually surrounds the text of the warning.

A black box warning means that medical studies indicate that the drug carries a significant risk of serious or even life-threatening adverse effects. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) can require a pharmaceutical company to place a black box warning on the labeling of a prescription drug, or in literature describing it. It is the strongest warning that the FDA requires.

Some suggest the proper term is boxed warning.[1]

[edit] Examples

Black box warnings on drugs received increased media attention in the United States since 2004. Among some of the more widely covered stories:

* The FDA has required that black box warnings be placed on all antidepressant medications warning they may result in increased risk of suicidal tendencies in children and adolescents.


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crystal sage
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Could the Scientologists be on to something regarding the use of antidepressants????

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http://www.pharmapolitics.com/cbcnational.html

DARROW MACINTYRE: A quiet, small town in North Wales. It seems an unlikely place to find a man like David Healy, university professor and psychiatrist, renowned in medical circles from New York to Paris to London as one of Europe's eminent scientist. This time last year, Healy was about to leave Wales. Lured to Toronto by this university teaching hospital, the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health and the promise of his own research clinic there. Then one day last November, something strange happened. After almost two years of courting Dr. Healy and finally offering him the big job, senior staff at the centre abruptly decided to dump him. They say they found out just in a nick of time that Healy held certain unscientific views about a number of psychiatric drugs, views they say could harm patient care. But many in the academic community think their decision had less to do with science and more to do with money. What this is really about, they say, is the role drug companies play in influencing scientific debate. When it comes to anti-depressants there are few people who know more than Dr. Healy. Especially about a group of drugs called S.S.R.I. or Selective Seratonin Re-uptake Inhibitors. The best known of these is Prozac, the most widely prescribed anti-depressant in the world. But for a decade now, research has suggested that drugs like Prozac may actually cause some people to have suicidal urges. Nobody really knows how often, but Healy thinks often enough to be concerned.

DAVID HEALY: Let's say in the case of Prozac that it causes the problem, it will cause people to commit suicide at a rate of one in 1,000 people who actually go on the drug. To most people here a figure like that, that sounds like a fairly low figure. It sounds like a reasonable trade-off almost. But if 50 million people go on the drug, then that becomes 50,000 suicides which is maybe higher than there has been, but it becomes an awfully big figure. It's what the FDA call the public health multiplier which is a small hazard distributed among millions of people becomes a big problem.



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MACINTYRE: Chair of the Department of Psychiatry at Atlanta's prestigious Emery University, Dr. Charles Nemeroff is a highly respected and influential scientist. And a paid consultant to a dozen drug companies. A leading psychiatric magazine recently profiled him under the headline Boss of Bosses. Is the brash and controversial Charles Nemeroff, the most powerful man in psychiatry. Inside the authors wrote, Nemeroff is among the most coveted advisors to the pharmaceutical industry. And he fully expects to lead the corporate strategies of those he advises. Those who do not heed his advice are often the recipients of his wrath. Last summer at Cambridge University in England, Healy had a brush with the boss of bosses.

HEALY: Dr. Nemeroff came up to me in the course of the meeting in what was a very scary meeting between him and me and told me that my career would be destroyed if I kept on showing results like the ones that I'd just shown, that I had no right to bring out hazards of the pills like these.

MACINTYRE: In a written statement, a doctor who witnessed the confrontation told us, when it became clear that David Healy would not back down from his points of view, Nemeroff said that what Healy was publishing might harm the drug industry, specifically Eli Lilly. He, Charles Nemeroff, said that these people were ruthless and would go to great lengths to make life hard for academics who published articles associating suicide with Prozac.

HEALY: It was a fairly short encounter. It lasted about two or three minutes but a very scary one.

MACINTYRE: James Turk is with the Canadian Association of University Teachers. He says to a drug company concerned about profits, researchers like Healy could be seen as dangerous.

JAMES TURK: I mean he's one of the world's leading scholars on anti-depressants. He's done clinical trials for some of the drug companies. But what he isn't is not in the drug companies' pockets. And Healy's argument is that S.S.R.I.'s are suitable for some patients but in fact can be very harmful for others. And the impression I get is that the drug companies want 100 percent of the market whereas if you do that research and Healy's right, that there are 40 percent or 50 percent of the people who currently get S.S.R.I.'s for whom it's not appropriate, then the market is cut in half.
TheNomad
Antidepressants such as Prozac (Fluoxitine) actually make you feel MORE depressed rather than any better. I was on them for a while without feeling any better and actually getting worse, until I decided to stop taking them, and started to recover and be more myself than I was before being prescribed them. Same goes for Seroxat, Amytriptyline, Dothiopen & other SSRI's.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Scientologists couldn't stumble into whats right.
crystal sage
QUOTE (Eric Raven The Skeptic @ Jan , 08:48 AM)
Scientologists couldn't stumble into whats right.



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Just think... when did the media suddenly start attacking the scientologists???

Not until they threatened the big drug companies pockets.. by questioning the safety... the sanity .. of drugging most of the world with antidepressants... suggesting that most young healthy energetic kids who weren't happy to be tied down to 6 plus hours a day of regulated concentration.. studies.. had attention deficit disorders and need to be calmed down with drugs...
Tiggs
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Then one day last November, something strange happened. After almost two years of courting Dr. Healy and finally offering him the big job, senior staff at the centre abruptly decided to dump him. They say they found out just in a nick of time that Healy held certain unscientific views about a number of psychiatric drugs, views they say could harm patient care.


It took them almost two years to find out that he was the author of "Let them eat Prozac"?

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crystal sage
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It took them almost two years to find out that he was the author of "Let them eat Prozac"?

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http://www.healyprozac.com/

This background data has been synthesized in book form in Let Them Eat Prozac published by James Lorimer for the Canadian Association of University Teachers, ISBN no 1-55028-783-4. Chapters 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 10 are made available here linked to their respective background materials.

On the face of it, the investigation of possible hazards posed by SSRIs does not seem to have followed the conventional dynamics of science, where anomalies in the data are supposed to spur further investigation. In this case, debate has been closed down rather than opened up. Journals that might have been thought to be independent of pharmaceutical company influence have “managed” not to publish articles and the appropriate scientific forums have “managed” not to debate the issues.

Is this evidence of undue pharmaceutical company influence?

Is it evidence of the power of the current epidemiological paradigm in medicine that effectively only values one form of evidence – that stemming from Randomised Controlled Trials?

Is it evidence of a Matthew Effect, whereby concerns stemming from centres other than Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard or Yale are simply much less likely to be taken seriously?

These questions go to the heart of the current debate on academic freedom and the role of commercial support for Academia. In order to move this debate forward, we would be happy to publish on this website germane material, whether from others who have lost posts within either Academia or pharmaceutical companies, or people who have had difficulties raising hazards about pharmaceutical agents, or other material.



thumbsup.gif Thanks for that link!!!
Atheist God
Sorry... I don't believe this to be a legit study coming from doctors who get kick backs for the more pills they prescribe to patients... If you buy it cool take your zombie pills.
Fluffybunny
QUOTE (TheNomad @ Jan 27 2008, 01:44 PM) *
Antidepressants such as Prozac (Fluoxitine) actually make you feel MORE depressed rather than any better. I was on them for a while without feeling any better and actually getting worse, until I decided to stop taking them, and started to recover and be more myself than I was before being prescribed them. Same goes for Seroxat, Amytriptyline, Dothiopen & other SSRI's.

(Bolding is mine)The important thing to remember is that is how it effected you; every person is different. What works for one person may not work for another and vice versa, so it is ill advised to make the generized statement you did and would be better off replacing the "you" with a "me". Millions of people have had great relief from depression from SSRI's, they have been able to get back to normal lives and back to work and such.

They may not work for eveyrone, and I am sure better medicines will come along as time goes by and we learn more about brain chemistry, but for right now they do work well for many people...
Saraswati
The majority of people I have met who use ssri's, seem prone to unprovoked anger and disturbing hatred. And this is long after they began taking their pills. Rewire their brains, maybe, but not in a good way.

I am not a scientologist, though. I think John Travolta and Tom Cruise have disturbing personalities.
crystal sage
QUOTE (Saraswati @ Jan , 01:40 PM)
The majority of people I have met who use ssri's, seem prone to unprovoked anger and disturbing hatred. And this is long after they began taking their pills. Rewire their brains, maybe, but not in a good way.


Yes.. I have found that too... or it zombies them out sooo much that they feel helpless have no energy...that every effort .. even rationalizing.. thinking for themselves is too much... so they just tend to follow others..follow routines...just to get by...make it through the day...

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I am not a scientologist, though. I think John Travolta and Tom Cruise have disturbing personalities.


http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/doctrines.htm
http://lisatrust.freewinds.cx/scientology/...ti/00-snead.htm
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (Fluffybunny @ Jan 27 2008, 08:33 PM) *
(Bolding is mine)The important thing to remember is that is how it effected you; every person is different. What works for one person may not work for another and vice versa, so it is ill advised to make the generized statement you did and would be better off replacing the "you" with a "me". Millions of people have had great relief from depression from SSRI's, they have been able to get back to normal lives and back to work and such.

They may not work for eveyrone, and I am sure better medicines will come along as time goes by and we learn more about brain chemistry, but for right now they do work well for many people...

Exactly. For some people they work extremely well. My best friend was basically saved by them(don't remember which one). He was in a very dark place and they helped him out of it. He was on them for about a year. SO they do work for some.
Truffles
QUOTE (TheNomad @ Jan 27 2008, 04:44 PM) *
Antidepressants such as Prozac (Fluoxitine) actually make you feel MORE depressed rather than any better. I was on them for a while without feeling any better and actually getting worse, until I decided to stop taking them, and started to recover and be more myself than I was before being prescribed them. Same goes for Seroxat, Amytriptyline, Dothiopen & other SSRI's.


It's dangerous to generalize... You mean SOME people feel MORE depressed. What works for you doesn't always work for others original.gif
Aries1982
I for one can attest that SSRI's are over prescribed, I dealt with Generalized anxiety disorder and Panic disorder for 3 years, last year being a constant battle with it, and my Doc kept trying to get me to use an SSRI but I refused, and I did take back control of my life through belief in myself and willpower, sure it was uncomfortable to deal with... But I never gave up hope that I could fend it off myself. Which is exactly what I did, and now all my symptoms are gone. I won't lie, it's a lengthy and painful battle, but it's not something you couldn't do if you put your mind to it. The lure of an SSRI is of course a good one, Panic and Anxiety is a terrible thing to live with, but knowing they can't harm you physically means you should give it an honest shot on trying to get past it yourself or with the help of a psychologist. I would argue SSRI's are useless and cause a large number of crazy side effects in their users, one would say taking the drug is worse than having the condition. The biggest accomplishment of my life was getting through that time in life unaided medically, sure I felt at one point that I had anything and everything wrong with me... But I knew in my heart it was just anxiety related and I ended up being right about it. Stress, anxiety, panic, are all terrible things to deal with but can be taken control of without the use of these drugs, and i'm a testiment to that. I can assure you that I probably had Panic disorder worse than most, I didn't have a panic attack, I had several a day lasting hours with anxiety bridging the gaps on the way between. STRESS is the big hurt, you have to learn how to control it because it's contributes to a lot of problems if you let it consume you.
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