These people must be totally in bred or something. I am taking about for the most part the KKK and the White Pride who promote themselves as being Christian. (There are Pagan White Supremacists and are just as bad, but at least their religion anciestor related. We don't let them in our local group. That is not our way.) The Christians ones seem to make so sense at all. They hate Jews and non-whites and follow a North African religion started by a Jewish carpentor. A religion that destroyed the culture and religion of the Celtic, Slavic, Nortic and Germanic people they claim as the 'white race'. I guess it just goes to show hate mongers are not operating with a full deck.
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Their knowledge of people is inbred.
as has been said before, ignorance has no boundaries.
these groups are very self contained, which promotes the growth of extremism as the "us vs them" mentality is constantly reinforced and expanded. Those that begin to disagree are driven out, leaving only the most radical. They create their own history, their own "facts", and reject anything that counters them as false. It is pretty basic group dynamics.
these groups are very self contained, which promotes the growth of extremism as the "us vs them" mentality is constantly reinforced and expanded. Those that begin to disagree are driven out, leaving only the most radical. They create their own history, their own "facts", and reject anything that counters them as false. It is pretty basic group dynamics.
1. KKK, White Pride, etc. besides being Christrian do you find anything more in common between all those "institutions"? They are american. As I've said in this forum before, rascist religious groups are a problem of America and not a problem of christianism, if you would get out of home and learn a little bit about the world you would realise that in almost all christian (especially the catholic ones) countries in the world have no problems with racism at all (besides neo-nazis who have nothing to do with christianism).
2. The catholic countries were the first to abolish slavery. The catholic priests were the first to speak against slavery and the mistreatments commited upon the other races. Stating that the white or other race is superior at the eyes of god is considered heresy by the Catholic Church.
3. I have much affection about the Celtic, Nordic and Eslavic cultures but Christianism destroyed those pagan cults because they prefered to convert to the christianism, bear that in mind.
By the way, the point of this thread is? Discussing about those groups?
2. The catholic countries were the first to abolish slavery. The catholic priests were the first to speak against slavery and the mistreatments commited upon the other races. Stating that the white or other race is superior at the eyes of god is considered heresy by the Catholic Church.
3. I have much affection about the Celtic, Nordic and Eslavic cultures but Christianism destroyed those pagan cults because they prefered to convert to the christianism, bear that in mind.
By the way, the point of this thread is? Discussing about those groups?
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3. I have much affection about the Celtic, Nordic and Eslavic cultures but Christianism destroyed those pagan cults because they prefered to convert to the christianism, bear that in mind.
Oh so that is why they had the needed to kill pagan clergypersons. Burn Pagans at the stake. rollseyes don't even question my knowlege of history it is a requirement of my religion I study anthropolgy, archeology, and history. We don't have a bible, we have to go to the source.
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Indo-European Paleopaganism and its Clergy
Isaac Bonewits
When the Roman Empire changed hands and continued under new management, the Church perpetuated this policy of killing every Druid (or other Paleopagan clergyperson in other cultures) who would not convert. Thus, by the time of the seventh century C.E., Paleopagan clergy had been either murdered, converted or driven completely underground throughout the Western Celtic lands.
Isaac Bonewits
When the Roman Empire changed hands and continued under new management, the Church perpetuated this policy of killing every Druid (or other Paleopagan clergyperson in other cultures) who would not convert. Thus, by the time of the seventh century C.E., Paleopagan clergy had been either murdered, converted or driven completely underground throughout the Western Celtic lands.
http://www.neopagan.net/IE_Paleopaganism.html
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2. The catholic countries were the first to abolish slavery. The catholic priests were the first to speak against slavery and the mistreatments commited upon the other races. Stating that the white or other race is superior at the eyes of god is considered heresy by the Catholic Church.
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Lorenzo Asisara (b. 1819)
The Franciscan empire in California was the product of the Spanish colonial project in the New World. Catholic priests of the Franciscan order were sent to California to Christianize the local Native Americans, claiming their land and turning them into laborers for the missions in the process. Because Franciscan Christianization involved compelling the Indians to give up their lands, culture, native religious practices, and independence, it often could not be accomplished by voluntary conversion and instead necessitated the use of military force. Once the Native Americans were baptized at the missions they became unpaid laborers who were not free to leave--that is, they essentially became slaves. Between 1770 and 1834 over 90,000 California Indians (a third of the pre-contact population) were enslaved within the Franciscan missions. Rampant disease and high rates of mortality ravaged the mission Indian populations.
The Franciscan empire in California was the product of the Spanish colonial project in the New World. Catholic priests of the Franciscan order were sent to California to Christianize the local Native Americans, claiming their land and turning them into laborers for the missions in the process. Because Franciscan Christianization involved compelling the Indians to give up their lands, culture, native religious practices, and independence, it often could not be accomplished by voluntary conversion and instead necessitated the use of military force. Once the Native Americans were baptized at the missions they became unpaid laborers who were not free to leave--that is, they essentially became slaves. Between 1770 and 1834 over 90,000 California Indians (a third of the pre-contact population) were enslaved within the Franciscan missions. Rampant disease and high rates of mortality ravaged the mission Indian populations.
http://www.learner.org/amerpass/unit07/authors-1.html
Did you see the movie "A Rabbit Proof Fence", you should.
The reason I looked into these groups I was looking into where ramster got his information on the Talmud. When found a likely site it was linked to a White Pride forum. There is a lot of people on that forum. More than on this one. The stuff is growing beyond confines of the US and you can count Canada, Australia, and New Zealand as having white hate groups. Have you heard of Christian Identity ministries, they are Christian white hate church who are in all of the above. This is something no one can close your eyes too.
I don't like this crap in Paganism either. Believe me I have told a few of them off, but for some reason I fine more of these kind of jerks claiming to be christian. Maybe it is because they just out number us.
I do not believe they are Christian at all. They are no different than terrorist groups killing in the name of religion. It does not matter what they call themselves. They are plain and simply people who are bred to hate, spread hate and destroy anything that does not go along with their thinking. They are just using their "God" to hide behind, they need something to justify all this hate.
They are simply put, cowards. It takes more courage to learn about and embrace our differences, rather that be religious difference, skin color differences, etc., than to spew hatefulness. And it is not just America's problem. Hate, predjudice and greed do not recognize borders. Listen to the news and about different countries committing genocide. It's going to be around, until EVERYONE learns to stop hating.
They are simply put, cowards. It takes more courage to learn about and embrace our differences, rather that be religious difference, skin color differences, etc., than to spew hatefulness. And it is not just America's problem. Hate, predjudice and greed do not recognize borders. Listen to the news and about different countries committing genocide. It's going to be around, until EVERYONE learns to stop hating.
I would just like to say that as opposed to Christianity, Judaism never believed in that other people should convert to Judaism.
As a matter of fact, according to Judaism, non-Jews need only to follow 7 simple rules, which are mostly social rather than religious, to win the afterlife a Jew get if he\she follow 613(!!) mostly religious laws.
In short, Judaism works against it's followers in terms of easy life
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As a matter of fact, according to Judaism, non-Jews need only to follow 7 simple rules, which are mostly social rather than religious, to win the afterlife a Jew get if he\she follow 613(!!) mostly religious laws.
In short, Judaism works against it's followers in terms of easy life
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^^Are you referring to the Laws in the book of Acts that the Jews decided the Gentiles needed to keep? Interesting how that leaves out "do not murder". Does this mean a Gentile can murder, as long as he keeps the other six laws? I somehow think this list is not complete.
Now, to answer the original question, there was a comic in the political section of the newspaper just last week. Australia has been going through some rather saddening racial hate riots, mostly between dumb ass Aussie yobbo's and Lebanese teen gangs. These are race related and not religion related, but the point is still the same, I think.
Anyhow, the comic had a man and woman, obviously by their look supposed to be Mary and Joseph, sitting in a stable, over their newborn baby boy. An Aussie yob is leaning in the door yelling "BLOODY WOGS".
That about sums it up, I believe
Regards, PA
Now, to answer the original question, there was a comic in the political section of the newspaper just last week. Australia has been going through some rather saddening racial hate riots, mostly between dumb ass Aussie yobbo's and Lebanese teen gangs. These are race related and not religion related, but the point is still the same, I think.
Anyhow, the comic had a man and woman, obviously by their look supposed to be Mary and Joseph, sitting in a stable, over their newborn baby boy. An Aussie yob is leaning in the door yelling "BLOODY WOGS".
That about sums it up, I believe
Regards, PA
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I would just like to say that as opposed to Christianity, Judaism never believed in that other people should convert to Judaism.
hate to disagree, but let's go back to genesis chapter 34. I am not fond of vilifying the jews, but this is Jacob, the ancestor of the israelites:
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Genesis
Chapter 34
34:1 And Dinah the daughter of Leah, whom she had borne unto Jacob, went out to see the daughters of the land.
34:2 And Shechem the son of Hamor the Hivite, the prince of the land, saw her; and he took her, and lay with her, and humbled her.
34:3 And his soul did cleave unto Dinah the daughter of Jacob, and he loved the damsel, and spoke comfortingly unto the damsel.
34:4 And Shechem spoke unto his father Hamor, saying: 'Get me this damsel to wife.'
34:5 Now Jacob heard that he had defiled Dinah his daughter; and his sons were with his cattle in the field; and Jacob held his peace until they came.
34:6 And Hamor the father of Shechem went out unto Jacob to speak with him.
34:7 And the sons of Jacob came in from the field when they heard it; and the men were grieved, and they were very wroth, because he had wrought a vile deed in Israel in lying with Jacob's daughter; which thing ought not to be done.
34:8 And Hamor spoke with them, saying 'The soul of my son Shechem longeth for your daughter. I pray you give her unto him to wife.
34:9 And make ye marriages with us; give your daughters unto us, and take our daughters unto you.
34:10 And ye shall dwell with us; and the land shall be before you; dwell and trade ye therein, and get you possessions therein.'
34:11 And Shechem said unto her father and unto her brethren: 'Let me find favour in your eyes, and what ye shall say unto me I will give.
34:12 Ask me never so much dowry and gift, and I will give according as ye shall say unto me; but give me the damsel to wife.'
34:13 And the sons of Jacob answered Shechem and Hamor his father with guile, and spoke, because he had defiled Dinah their sister,
34:14 and said unto them: 'We cannot do this thing, to give our sister to one that is uncircumcised; for that were a reproach unto us.
34:15 Only on this condition will we consent unto you: if ye will be as we are, that every male of you be circumcised;
34:16 then will we give our daughters unto you, and we will take your daughters to us, and we will dwell with you, and we will become one people.
34:17 But if ye will not hearken unto us, to be circumcised; then will we take our daughter, and we will be gone.'
34:18 And their words pleased Hamor, and Shechem Hamor's son.
34:19 And the young man deferred not to do the thing, because he had delight in Jacob's daughter. And he was honoured above all the house of his father.
34:20 And Hamor and Shechem his son came unto the gate of their city, and spoke with the men of their city, saying:
34:21 'These men are peaceable with us; therefore let them dwell in the land, and trade therein; for, behold, the land is large enough for them; let us take their daughters to us for wives, and let us give them our daughters.
34:22 Only on this condition will the men consent unto us to dwell with us, to become one people, if every male among us be circumcised, as they are circumcised.
34:23 Shall not their cattle and their substance and all their beasts be ours? only let us consent unto them, and they will dwell with us.'
34:24 And unto Hamor and unto Shechem his son hearkened all that went out of the gate of his city; and every male was circumcised, all that went out of the gate of his city.
34:25 And it came to pass on the third day, when they were in pain, that two of the sons of Jacob, Simeon and Levi, Dinah's brethren, took each man his sword, and came upon the city unawares, and slew all the males.
34:26 And they slew Hamor and Shechem his son with the edge of the sword, and took Dinah out of Shechem's house, and went forth.
34:27 The sons of Jacob came upon the slain, and spoiled the city, because they had defiled their sister.
34:28 They took their flocks and their herds and their asses, and that which was in the city and that which was in the field;
34:29 and all their wealth, and all their little ones and their wives, took they captive and spoiled, even all that was in the house.
34:30 And Jacob said to Simeon and Levi: 'Ye have troubled me, to make me odious unto the inhabitants of the land, even unto the Canaanites and the Perizzites; and, I being few in number, they will gather themselves together against me and smite me; and I shall be destroyed, I and my house.'
34:31 And they said: 'Should one deal with our sister as with a harlot?'
the question is not answered, so I will end the quote here. In revenge for a single act of rape, the committer of which act was the prince of the city, Jacob talks them into having all their men circumcised, as if they were going to let them convert to Judiasm, then, while they were in pain from the procedure, his sons killed all the men and stole anything of worth, enslaving the women and children. apparently Jacob himself was not in on the plan, and was very upset. Of course we must remember that Levi was Moses's ancestor. Was this God's will? Apparently not, but it still goes to show that the jews were different then. Of course, Abraham did destroy idols, but that was earlier.
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Aussie yobbo's
Here in the states we call them rednecks.
I was told by a southern that a redneck is a person whose parents were related before they got married.
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Oh so that is why they had the needed to kill pagan clergypersons. Burn Pagans at the stake. rollseyes don't even question my knowlege of history it is a requirement of my religion I study anthropolgy, archeology, and history. We don't have a bible, we have to go to the source.
My friend, if you really study medieval history 'to the source' you'll find out that before the fall of Rome no force was used to convert the pagan kingdoms (and kings) and people. Does that site present any historical evidences of that? And they didn't kill pagans in the middle ages in order to convert them, It so happens that the few pagans that remained (being what the people back then called 'witches') claimed themselves as satanists in order to stand against the church. So, they burnt them for being satanists not for being pagans.
About the franciscans, yes they also enslaved the indians (as everyone else in the world did) but still the chatholics were also the first to officialy stand against slavery.
I'm sorry, you are right, they are not only in America (but I would say 90% of them). However, haven't you noticed a certain tendency about those countries (New Zeland, Australia, USA, Canada)? All former british colonies.
(btw, the nazis inicially didn't base their belief in race superiority in christianism but in their celtic ancestry)
PS- If I wasn't clear, I'm absolutely against any kind of racism. I'm a moor myself
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Are you referring to the Laws in the book of Acts that the Jews decided the Gentiles needed to keep? Interesting how that leaves out "do not murder". Does this mean a Gentile can murder, as long as he keeps the other six laws? I somehow think this list is not complete.
No I'm speaking about the Seven Laws of Noah.
Because Judaism believes that all humans are descendant of Noah, they believe all should adhere those seven laws if they are to win the afterlife.
Because Jews made another pact with god on Mt. Sinai, they are obligated to follow more laws if they are to win the afterlife.
Meaning, strangely, that it's easier for non-jews to win the after life, according to Judaism, than for Jews :S.
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No I'm speaking about the Seven Laws of Noah.
Because Judaism believes that all humans are descendant of Noah, they believe all should adhere those seven laws if they are to win the afterlife.
Because Jews made another pact with god on Mt. Sinai, they are obligated to follow more laws if they are to win the afterlife.
Meaning, strangely, that it's easier for non-jews to win the after life, according to Judaism, than for Jews :S.
in the A.T. in some texts it looks like God picked up the jew as the chosen people because they were the least deserving of that.
It's not me who says it nor is the N.T., is the jewish bible lol. Read through it and you'll see that god was always decepetioned about the jews. I could post thousands of quotes but it so happens that it is basicly the whole A.T.Jesus was a jew, christianism is just another form of judaism, I have nothing personal against the jews for I have never met one and I feel ashamed that I belong to a religion that hosted the Holy Inquisition so don't kill the messenger plz.
Peace
There is an old joke : The Jews are G-ds chosen people but, every time there is a pogrom, we kind wish that he'd choose someone else!
Many of the Jews in the Deep South states don't make to big a deal out of being Jews. They'd rather not answer any of the same old questions from the same blithering rednecks, (You don't believe in Jesus?). I knew of one family thta put up a X-mas tree just so they wouldn't be looked at funny.
Many of the Jews in the Deep South states don't make to big a deal out of being Jews. They'd rather not answer any of the same old questions from the same blithering rednecks, (You don't believe in Jesus?). I knew of one family thta put up a X-mas tree just so they wouldn't be looked at funny.
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. As I've said in this forum before, rascist religious groups are a problem of America and not a problem of christianism
One of the largest racists groups was founded by a practicing Catholic, had the backing of the Catholic church and most of the clergy of the other churches of the country, had the moto “Gott mit uns” (God is with us) and murdered millions of Jews in the 20th century. The name of this organization and it’s founder – the Nazi party and Adolph Hitler and was based on the Aryan peoples (not the Celtic) and Christianity…So much for American racism!
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The catholic priests were the first to speak against slavery and the mistreatments commited upon the other races.
Actually the Catholic priests were among the first to cause the enslavement of the various native peoples that fell under the sway of the different Catholic Imperialist Nations of the period of the 1500s to 1800s, the theft of their lands and wealth, the rape of their cultures and the destruction of their knowledge!
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. I have much affection about the Celtic, Nordic and Eslavic cultures but Christianism destroyed those pagan cults because they prefered to convert to the christianism, bear that in mind.
Here is some examples of how willing they were to convert…..After a close call in a battle against the Alamanni, due to a prayer by Gregory of Tours, the Frankish King Clovis took baptism and became the first “Catholic” ruler of the west. When he accepted Christ, he compelled 3000 of his retainers on pain of death by burning to follow him into the baptism fount. In 507 after taking Aquitaine for Alaric II, and subjugating Burgundy, he forcibly converted the pagan tribesmen to Catholicism on pain of death by burning! When Charlemagne insisted on his followers submitting to baptism as a sign of submission, he beheaded, in a single day, 4500 Saxons at Verden (782 CE) for failure to comply, saying that that was tantamount to rebellion! The religious war (a Christian innovation) would never end. In the 8th century CE, Frankish armies carried the sword of Christ to the throat of the Thuringians and Bavarians and halted the forces of Islam that had overwhelmed the Visigoths in Spain. Towards the end of the 8th century, in forty bloody years of continuous aggression, Charlemagne’s forces slaughtered tens of thousands of Saxons, Avars and Slavs in order to convert their peoples to God’s loving kindness! I don’t see how these peoples preferred Christianity….the very length of the wars says otherwise, and this was just in the area of Europe. England and Ireland were much the same.
Mako, I bow to your vast knowledge. I am most impressed. Thank you, My friend.
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