"Nothing is lost, nothing is created, all is transformed."

I never understood why is that phrase so dogmatic to the scientists.

My doubt as to do with gravity. I'm no expert but if matter attracts matter (and it doesn't expend energy doing so, or does it? ) and that attraction (even at the eyes of the theory of general relativity) becomes cinetic energy, and if energy can be transformed into matter, then matter is aparently coming out of nowhere. Can someone explain this to me or did I overcome something?

slow down,

your asking too many questions in the one question. you need to carefully re-write and separate your questions. It is unclear what you are asking...

ok

1. Why is that Lavoisier phrase such a dogma in modern science?

2. Basicly, if gravitation attracts matter making it move, it is producing energy. if it is producing energy and energy can be transformed into matter then it is also producing matter, but that is something that the scientifical comunity says that can't happen (that Lavoisier principle).

3. Did I overlook something?

Good question...Only thing I can think of is if energy is lost through the process of gravity, it is so neglible to the whole mass that any big differences would have to occur over a very large timescale. *goes away scratching his head*

Because primarily he was a chemist, not a physicist.

Gravitation does not attract matter, gravitation is a part of matter. Matter attracts Matter. All matter has energy bound up in it.

if matter is moving it is not producing energy, it is carrying energy with it. That amount of energy made to move the matter in the first place is relative to the amount of energy the matter is carrying.

with regards to the lavoisier principle, i think you should read it again.

Because of matter there is gravity. Thought I should throw that in.

why the need to throw that in, it was already there.

the passage written below is a copy of that which is above
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because primarily he was a chemist, not a physicist.

Gravitation does not attract matter, gravitation is a part of matter. Matter attracts Matter. All matter has energy bound up in it.

if matter is moving it is not producing energy, it is carrying energy with it. That amount of energy made to move the matter in the first place is relative to the amount of energy the matter is carrying.

with regards to the lavoisier principle, i think you should read it again

I wanted to clarify it for those who aren't as science minded.

please ignore my second post, I wrote it without thinking about what I was writing, and I was trying to put it in simple words. (me bad english also )

Still you haven't answered my questions.
If you read my first post I said that matter attracts matter. And, if the general relativity theory is right, gravitation is a phenomen caused by nothing more than space time distorce. Anyway, if matter moves because of that distortion then that movement is energy. Now think about a watermill, water moves because of nothing more than gravity. By taking advantage of that flux of water you can produce energy (in fact, you don't really 'produce' it, you just transfer it from the water flux into something else). Now imagine that CERN was powered by hidroelectric energy (nothing starnge about it). They would be creating matter using the energy from the water flux. Result: we created an atom using the gravity on earth. Which means that aparently that piece of matter came out of gravitic force. However, as far as we know (unless Rufio85's theory turns out to be correct ) no matter and no energy is lost during the process of gravitic attraction, which leads us to conclude that through the prcess of gravity matter can be created from nothing.

Beleive me, if my theory is right, i'll eat my hat. It was nothing more than a stab in the dark

having thought about it, the answer is quite simple. Gravity gives an object potential energy. When the object moves, all that is happening is the potential energy is being converted to kinetic. No energy is being lost or created here.

and however, you are not the first to come up with that theory too, Einstein thought about it once while he was trying to find the final theory of unification.



true, gravity (kind of) gives an object potential energy, but what gives gravity energy?

there are thousands of theories, my favourite one is that time can transform into space and vice-versa, and energy can become matter and vice-versa (till here there's nothing new), but that space/time can also transform into energy/matter through gravity.

woot, i think along the same lines of einstein!! i'd like to think on this a bit more, but im tired and a wee bit drunk. maybe tomorrow i'll come up with something new.

I cant remember 100% right now, but i kind of recall something in physics where if you have matter and anti-matter colliding, you can create energy of some sort. Just as you can have it visa versa creating matter and anti matter. I'll have to look it up in some of my books, unless one of you guys can save me the hassle and lemme know what im talking about!! sufficient to say is i didnt get an A in physics as my memory aint that amazin!

I hear einstein would forget where he lives sometimes. And even forget who he was. O_o

...this is what you learn in physics and is quite a correct description of the dynamics in action. Objects possess potential energy whenever in a gravitational field ie. us to earth, earth (planets) to sun, sun to galaxy, galaxy to galaxy to galaxy ad infinitum. There's so much potential energy! Yep.

And also, I'd like to add something...
It is well understood among physicists that gravity (space-time curvature) is caused by energy. In other words it is energy (most predominantly locked as 'rest mass' in particles based on the famous Einstein formula) that is causing space-time to curve and hence creating what we have come to understand as gravity. However, it is also correct to say that matter/mass causes gravity but IMHO, not as clear.