Sublime
Dec 25 2005, 04:04 PM
has anyone ever claimed to be able to distort time? an extremely strong connection to all psi energy in the universe would be needed, making it imposible. seems interesting though. any thoughts?
Megalomania
Dec 25 2005, 10:59 PM
No. THere has been another thread about this, and Chronokinesis is a load of poo.
Yelekiah
Dec 25 2005, 11:44 PM
I second that. Poo is funny, but not this kind. You cannot alter time with your mind unless you are using illicit substances, dreaming, bored, or having fun. Even then, that isn't altering time

. Time doesn't move to begin with. It doesn't flow in any direction, so how can one stop it?
Sublime
Dec 26 2005, 06:18 PM
lol, i agree. i expected more posts on this thread though...
HKCavalier
Dec 26 2005, 07:07 PM
Time is an experience and so can be experienced differently at different time. As a practitioner of martial arts I've seen how time can "slow" extremely so that what appears to happen in a blink of an eye to the casual observer is remarkably leisurely from the point of view of the one doing the move. In buddhist meditation there is a concept of the "spaces between thoughts" or the "spaces between moments." It's a heightened awareness of the increments of time and space.
I have had a strange experience since I was a child. Usually it would happen when I was drawing, but eventually it could be induced more or less spontaneously. I would be deep in what you might call a creative trance and I'd start to feel very nauseous. I would have the feeling that time itself was slowing down. At first this frightened me and I quickly found ways to bring the process to a halt, usually involving some kind of conscious arythmic activity to disrupt the trance-like state (walk without rhythm, and you won't attract the worm...). Eventually, I lost my fear of it and began to purposefully prolong the effect. Generally the nausea would increase until I was quite certain I would puke (never did) and time would seem to come to a stop (or nearly). I'd get "the feeling" that if I could hold onto the effect long enough "something" amazing would happen, but I could never seem to hold onto the effect long enough. In some ways this waking experience would have the quality of a lucid dream. Interestingly, when I would reach the apparent zero point, I would never be interrupted by other people in the house or any of our pets and all sound around me would become either very muted or would seem to cease all together.
Later I began to have these sensations while I was walking. I found that these experiences were far more likely to take place in certain geographical locations than in others. One place in particular, right in the middle of the city where I live would give me the feeling nearly every time I went there. At least twice, it got to the "zero point" and on both occasions all traffic ceased, there would be no people or birds visible and all sound would cease. Very weird indeed and no apparent practical application.
Sublime
Dec 26 2005, 07:14 PM
hmm... i wasnt expecting that reply. i agree with the perception of time between different people. i have often wondered what a year would feel like to a rock (strange, but applicable) do you slow down also in these "zero points?"
HKCavalier
Dec 26 2005, 09:01 PM
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hmm... i wasnt expecting that reply. i agree with the perception of time between different people. i have often wondered what a year would feel like to a rock (strange, but applicable) do you slow down also in these "zero points?"
If you've ever had a lucid dream, you're aware of the sensation that if you "do the wrong thing" you'll mess it up; you're never quite sure what "the wrong thing" is, so it tends to slow you down and make you hyperconscious of choices. At these "zero points" I'm just standing there looking up and down the block (if I'm on a street) and listening to my own heartbeat. When I start walking again, the world seems to lurch back into motion and everything gets back to normal pretty quickly. The nausea feels exactly like motion sickness and is the only real indication that something more than merely perceptual is happening.
Subjectively, it's kinda connected to my sense of precognition. I get into this weird loop of feeling as if I know what I'm going to do next in some kind of psychic way and then of course going ahead and doing it. Even though you could say I'm acting by choice, the sense that I "know" what I'm going to do next like I'm an entirely different person is very strong. Unless you have personal experience of psychic phenomena, I wouldn't expect you to necessarily know what the heck I'm talking about, but there you go.
Triad
Dec 27 2005, 03:51 AM
Actually the ability to dilate time is mentioned in the New Testament in relation to the account of when Jesus met with the spirit of Moses. In that account Jesus took only two of the Apostles with him while the others waited at another location. When they all got back together, one of the apostles which had accompanied Jesus on the trip. Asked in relation to how long it had taken of another who had not gone. His response was that not much time had passed. Much less time than the apostle who had asked, considered reasonable (hours instead of days).
The electrons which orbit atoms are what give us our impression that objects are solid and the rate at which they orbit the nucleus is why? Its rate of speed of orbit in the past was concluded as somewhere between 10 to 15% that of light. Currently though the value "1/2" is what it often referred to as (getting a scientist to talk about what that means is not easy though for "certain," it does to refer to the idea that they orbit at 1/2 the speed of light.
The truth be known 1/2 the speed of light is the point at which time dilation in respect to forward propulsion actually starts to be experienced. So a potential conclusion to the above is that since objects in nature are not commonly observed moving through time slower than others. Electrons cannot be orbiting there individual nucleus at a rate faster than 1/2 the speed of light.
If an electrons orbital speed were to be increased beyond the speed of light it would therefore begin to experience time dilation. Then resultant effect being that time should slow down for the electron (aging slower) than anything outside its sphere of influence.
An issue in relation to time that always seems to creep up it’s the issue of times physicality (4th dimension). To be clear, that objects moving at certain speeds can permanently alter there relationship with there environment. Is evidence that time does have an inherent spatial orientation. Furthermore the response Time^2 is a value that can be deduced by taking a calculation which is inclusive of C^2 (the speed of light squared) in relation to E=mc^2.
Now what is being offered as a conclusion in this response is that, in order for a person to significantly dilate time. It would have to be possible for them accelerate the orbital speeds of every electron in their body to an extent it exceeded 1/2 the speed of light.
Stopping time (from there individual perspective) would entail accelerating to the speed of light. But that would only be from there point of view. In other words, the person and anything else within his or her sphere of influence would travel though time and into the future. In relation to traveling into the past that would be quite another story. Since taking the above into consideration, one would actually have to achieve a negative value in relation to electron spin.
22sublime22 time in relation to matter is related to the physics of the atom. As such rocks whose electrons orbital spin not that different than ours, pretty much experience time the same as we do. The difference being of course, that we have the capacity to be aware and so are aware of the passage of time.
That this awareness is inclusive of an ability to alter our relationship with time? Well, that it can be conceived and is related, as having occurred in the past, does suggest it is not impossible.
Being able to stop time as you are suggesting though would imply that person was beyond any reference to time as we understand it.
Any thoughts?
Megalomania
Dec 27 2005, 04:11 AM
Time slows while in Geography class
Triad
Dec 27 2005, 04:30 AM
Unless you’re a man and your teacher looks like this.....

With women the same applies in relation to the opposite sex.
Yelekiah
Dec 27 2005, 04:36 AM
I might just wish time would go slow with her
Triad
Dec 27 2005, 05:18 AM
Hence the subjective experience of time Yelekiah with its seemingly objective undertones?
In the case of the image below improving your tennis game would be a good idea, her serve is well known at Wimbledon.
Daniella2310
Dec 27 2005, 06:51 AM
QUOTE(22sublime22 @ Dec 25 2005, 11:04 AM) [snapback]992598[/snapback]
has anyone ever claimed to be able to distort time? an extremely strong connection to all psi energy in the universe would be needed, making it imposible. seems interesting though. any thoughts?
In ninjutsu, they have different ways of meditating, to get different results (using different hand-positions). One of them is to make time go slower. (I used to know this hand position and its name, but now I can't remember :-/ ). Like, not slower in the instant you are doing something(ie: the matrix) but the day in general (ie: when you get that sensation that a day goes slower or faster)
jpatt
Dec 27 2005, 06:54 AM
I think you'd have to be affecting space-time wouldn't you? Otherwise it would have to be only your own perception of time?
Yelekiah
Dec 27 2005, 06:56 AM
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Hence the subjective experience of time Yelekiah with its seemingly objective undertones?
I thought the "objective undertones" were overtones.
Time may
appear to move slower due to the eye capture rate. Like right before a car crash, for example, time looks like it's going slow. But it isn't in reality.
Daniella2310
Dec 27 2005, 06:56 AM
yep i think so :-p
wait no...or maybe yes... i don't remember, I learned it years ago :-p
But they had a hand posture(meditation) to make you "invisible" in front of the others too. It made you feel lighter and faster.
Triad
Dec 27 2005, 10:11 PM
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I thought the "objective undertones" were overtones.
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Time may appear to move slower due to the eye capture rate. Like right before a car crash, for example, time looks like it's going slow. But it isn't in reality.
By undertones I am referring to the philological effects that accompany such experiences related to temporal distortions. The very real effects that trigger individuals to respond in one way or another, to a stimuli, from the context of the mind body relationship. The physiological effects of happiness and or sadness can be quite profound beyond this matter of experiencing subjective time. Long term, as well as short term effects (and also issues related to aging) are common with respect to current research. These effects while specific to the individual are quite real and fundamental to current understanding in respect to mind/body relationships in all of us.
In respect to this topic, I do understand that the basics of temporal awareness in relation to the brain are important so let’s address that.......
http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/05...brain_time.htmlThe brain oscillates

Daniella you are taking about a form of Kuji Kiri
http://www.geocities.com/yowie_26/18.htmAny thoughts?
Yelekiah
Dec 27 2005, 10:24 PM
Great site
Sublime
Dec 27 2005, 10:29 PM
for jpatt, i agree, you would have to distort all time everywhere. replacement....lol.
triad, you seem to know what you're talking about. some interesting posts.
Megalomania
Dec 27 2005, 11:20 PM
Yeah, I do have to congratulate Triad for his very factual posts, which he also supports wih evidence.
He also has a great sense of humor

Nice work man
Triad
Dec 27 2005, 11:43 PM
Thanks to all of you for those kind words.
To be honest I was somewhat apprehensive in returning here (hence my initial guarded responses) but it does look like I made the right choice
Megalomania
Dec 28 2005, 12:34 AM
Well, I'm glad you did come back, and I'm sorry if I made you feel unwelcome..
Triad
Dec 28 2005, 06:18 AM
Unless you recently changed your current name (Replacement100) from MARDUK I have no problem with anything we have so far discussed (at that includes all discussions since my return as Triad).
I came here several month ago using the name Toltec
I understand that what I have presented to date is to say the very least unusual. But
in relation to my intent I can assure all of you, I am very sincere and very thoughtful.
To say the very least, my life has been “different” and in respect to my ancestry that also can be defined as “different” I have been posting at forums consistently since 1992 and much of what is being presented here in one way or anothuer

has been presented in the past.
Again thanks for your comments.
Senkoujin
Jan 30 2006, 06:59 AM
QUOTE(Triad @ Dec 26 2005, 10:30 PM) [snapback]994056[/snapback]
Unless you’re a man and your teacher looks like this.....

With women the same applies in relation to the opposite sex.
Meh, a teacher's a teacher; work would still need to be done. >.>
jujubee
Jan 30 2006, 07:55 AM
I'm thinking that you can probably slow down your perception of time, as has been mentioned, and only affect other's perception of time if you have influence over their mentalities...
Most mystical schools agree that time is an illusion at any rate, so, I don't know that it is impossible...
Though I don't necessarily believe you can find a magic watch, click on a button and stop the world for 5 minutes, no.
Triad
Jan 31 2006, 01:52 AM
Yes, often these days referred to as remote influencing ….This is what the Ninjitsu technique is suppose to do.
RamboIII
Jan 31 2006, 01:54 AM
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Dec 25 2005, 05:44 PM) [snapback]992848[/snapback]
I second that. Poo is funny, but not this kind. You cannot alter time with your mind unless you are using illicit substances, dreaming, bored, or having fun. Even then, that isn't altering time

. Time doesn't move to begin with. It doesn't flow in any direction, so how can one stop it?
thanks, you have said what i have been trying to say to everyone
Triad
Jan 31 2006, 02:51 AM
Actually Rambo one can alter another persons perception of time easily so much so it does not necessarily require paranormal abilities or the use of chemicals.
With paranormal abilities one can make it seem as if the person altered perception of time is the reuslt of chemicals.
Any thoughts?
GhostDJR
Jan 31 2006, 03:36 AM
In reply to the origional topic. No, time does not exist. time is a man made measuremant to distinguish one point to another. It is not real and can not be affected. Even if psi was related to "time" there is no way you could affect on such a grand scale as the entire universe. The only way to slow down time is for you to go faster than sight but that won't work because the friction would disenagrate your body. And time wouldn't really be slowing down technically if you could move at that speed.
Ziggy Stardust
Jan 31 2006, 03:42 AM
In the astral, you can time-travel at will. Check out my technique.
Triad
Jan 31 2006, 04:12 AM
I was once exposed to a mathematical calculation which showed that with the application of the C^2 component of E-mc^2 Time squared (T^2) could be derived. I was asked not to make a copy or to repeat the specifics of the calculations but I can tell that it does exist and that because it exists, time is more than just imaginary.
I do allude to this in relation to my past responses in this thread and as well elaborate.
Any thoughts?
mysticart1987
Apr 13 2006, 05:56 PM
QUOTE(22sublime22 @ Dec 26 2005, 02:14 PM) [snapback]993567[/snapback]
hmm... i wasnt expecting that reply. i agree with the perception of time between different people. i have often wondered what a year would feel like to a rock (strange, but applicable) do you slow down also in these "zero points?"
funny for that qoute at the bottom i have that type of power for my dream to create reality but i cannot control it though..but if i could i could control what happens in the world but that is an uncontrollable power..i could even do it when i am woke and i would say something about someones future and if i have a feeling or make the feeling it will come true so i am careful about what i say around anyone....
Bio-Mage
Apr 14 2006, 08:57 AM
Nah....its just a dream. Dont stress too much about it
Hedisl
Apr 14 2006, 04:17 PM
Um? Are you talking about time manuplating and run at super-speed?
Insight
Apr 14 2006, 09:47 PM
I was once exposed to a mathematical calculation which showed that with the application of the C^2 component of E-mc^2 Time squared (T^2) could be derived. I was asked not to make a copy or to repeat the specifics of the calculations
Sounds just like every other kid out there who doesn't have any actual proof to back up his claims.
What tipped me off is the total lack of any conclusion in what you said. You actually didn't say anything.
You said with the application of time squared, time squared could be derived. That is the equivalent of saying, "Because this fossil is 3000 years old, it is 3000 years old".
What you think you are referring to is Eisteins theory of relativity. WHich is now a hotly debated topic amoungst the quantum physics community. Einstein may have been wrong.
His theory, E=MC2 explains what energy is. Energy being a super accelerated for of matter. Matyter moving much faster than the universal constant of lightspeed. What he was attempting to do is create a unified feild theory, which links the mathematics of energy to matter. Thus far, the two sides are still mathematically opposed. 11 dimensional string theory seems to be close to created a unified feild for the two sides of mathematics, but still has not officially achieved it.
Time is the movement of matter through space. To stop time, you much stop all mater in space moving. This included all energy as well. To reverse time, you must change every single last particale in existance to a previous state.And to move time forward, you must be able to exactly predict the placement of every last particle and move them respectively.
However, time can be bypassed. Upon reaching the universal constant, you become closer and closer to energy. You move so much faster than all other matter, the laws of time loose their grasp. However, physical matter cannot achieve this state, unless it is transfigured into etherical form. Phased out, if you will. This is how many people believe faster than light speed travel would be possible. If you could create a feild surrounding a ship and a person which transfirgured one's matter into an etherical wavelength, one could enter the C2 state and travel faster than light.
I, personally, have seen evidence of craft capable of this. The orginins of which I have not decided upon.
durnut
Apr 19 2006, 05:53 AM
QUOTE
I, personally, have seen evidence of craft capable of this. The orginins of which I have not decided upon.
If you could give me info, or a website that shows evidence of this craft, I would love to see it.

thanks
Stonewolf_AOD
May 25 2006, 07:15 PM
QUOTE(22sublime22 @ Dec 25 2005, 12:04 PM) [snapback]992598[/snapback]
has anyone ever claimed to be able to distort time? an extremely strong connection to all psi energy in the universe would be needed, making it imposible. seems interesting though. any thoughts?
Uhh, if you using chrono, than yes. I can do it with great difficulty. I can so far slow time to about 1/5-1/6 it's normal rate. Many people feel chrono is the manipulation of time's perception in one's mind, when truly it is something we made up ourselves, so chrono is control of time itself. If you need a tech or anything, just ask.
wakopanda
May 25 2006, 09:19 PM
the subjective speed of time for a person does seem to change depending on your recent experiences. after i started training for nijmegan (an endurance marching event, in which you have to cover 25 miles a day for 4 days straight) i discovered that my life seemed to have slowed down considerably. days seemed to take an age, everything seemed to pass so much more slowly, without actually looking slower.
i have also experienced what people mentioned in relation to martial arts as well, where time seems to slow down while your *on the brink*. possibly a defense mechanism from the subconsious? i dont know.
i dont think chronokenisis is anywhere near possible though. changing your persepctive of time and actively manipulating the real thing are very differernt, and i think id be justified in calling the second impossible, even by the standards of what we are discussing.
Megalomania
May 26 2006, 06:24 AM
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. I can so far slow time to about 1/5-1/6 it's normal rate.
How can you slow down something that never moves?
Magrathea82
May 26 2006, 06:02 PM
Time is a man-made item, so in a sense, does it really exist?
Triad
May 27 2006, 02:14 AM
Insight note the mathematical calculation below my name, have it checked out and get back to me and yes because time is squared, it takes up space, which in all probability allows for the existence of the present.
Which by the way is infinite……
Any thoughts?
PS: Also Insight, it was Einstein whose mathematical calculations offered the existence of wormholes check your facts.....
Psikomaster
Jun 22 2006, 02:01 PM
Since time is man made, it does not exist right? And if it does not exist than why can't we control it? I mean we can control the keyboard for the computer and the writting does not really exist unless we print it. And wet, we can see it. Time, as the letters on a computer screen, is just an image humans gave to diferenciate one periode to an other.
Like imagination, we say it exists but can we touch or smell it? No.
See my theorie on imagination on the thread: Alternate Dimensions in the «Mysteries of the mind, space & time» section.
Stonewolf_AOD
Oct 31 2006, 03:39 PM
The fact that time was made by man is exactly the reason why we CAN control it. I never said that time doesn't move. Time is just a measurement of movement. The movements are taking place, and we can distort the measurements. I hate skeptics who say that it is impossible or that it takes vast amounts of energy. It takes 15 minutes your first time to getthe concentration high enough to distort it, but with practice it could take two minutes at most. There is no energy involved, just altering your subconcious measurements of time. You know how people claim they have an inner clock which can help them get up at specific times? Well if you can stop that clock, you can stop the flow of time in your mind, and thus in your world as well.
KBA
Oct 31 2006, 04:56 PM
QUOTE(Yelekiah @ Dec 25 2005, 11:44 PM) [snapback]992848[/snapback]
I second that. Poo is funny, but not this kind. You cannot alter time with your mind unless you are using illicit substances, dreaming, bored, or having fun. Even then, that isn't altering time

. Time doesn't move to begin with. It doesn't flow in any direction, so how can one stop it?
You should read Einstein's theory of relativity. Basically it is that every object in space curves the space-time continuim. The speed at which an object moves affects how time passes around it. The faster you move, the slower time passes around you. Scientists studied that even at the speed of a spaceship, the astronauts had traveled a few nanoseconds into the future.
So I think it is possible to travel forward in time. Only not with your brain alone.
Jjbreen
Oct 31 2006, 07:49 PM
Ok -
Curious on how this would be explained:
It was Tuesday -09/05/2006 - I had a doctor's apointment at 10:00am. The doctor's office takes no less then 20+ minutes to get there on a "good" traffic day. (One way) Then the appointment that lasted 45 Minutes. Then equal travel time to get home. Actually a little faster going home, this time of day.
When I got home, my wife looked at me walking into the door and asked, "what did you forget?" I stated, "nothing, why? I'm home..." I left at 9:15am, to allow plenty of traffic time to get there.
She said, "well why aren't you going to the doctor's??"
"I did - here's the Rx that I got from him..."
"No way, look at the time!" it was 9:33am"
We've yet to figure it all out. If I had not had the Rx, I would totally understand why it wouldn't of been believed by my wife that I was there.
The only equation was, I was not looking forward to this appointment was extremely stressed out over it.
This only happened two other times - where again the stress level was so high, that if it wasn't for actual validation that I was at the appointment - it wouldn't of been blelieved.
Any thoughts, theories or ideas, would be welcome.
J -
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