Hello Friends:

Do you know that Puerto Rico "Comonwelth"
is a U.S.A. colony since 1898 and still is to this
day? That in Puerto Rico military bases Nuclear
Weapons are keept even when is violation to The
Treaty of Tlatelolco (of january 18 1994) that prohibits
keeping or using Nuclear Weapons in all Latin America and
that the U.S.A. sing that treaty. That The U.S.A. keeps two secret
military bases, one the top of "El Yunque national Forest" and a
secret underground facilty in the metropolitan area in Hato Rey.
The island of Vieques (part of Puerto Rico) was used as a weapon testing
range until resently by the U.S. Navy and to this day has not been clean as
promised by the U.S. Government. Also 40% of Puerto Rican women are been
sterilized in secret as a result U.S. de-popullation programs .(Program-2020)
How will you feel is this were hapening to you on your own backyard??

I live in Puerto Rico and used to live in Orlando,Florida and
served in the U.S. Navy

Screw Puerto Rico anyways...

you're a sickening individual darkninja.

and wolfspirit, don't worry, the U.S federal government is one of the most corrupt institutions on the face of the earth (next to the Vatican) and those who serve them have a place in hell

I'm in the U.S. Army, defending freedom across the globe... will I go to hell for that?

you're not "defending freedom accross the globe"

you're defending the big bankers who are using the United States as a vehicle to take over the world.

Seriously, no offence, the higer ups and the bankers think of you as an expendable pawn.

What if I told you my enemy/neighbor killed your wife, when in fact I did. You would go kill my neighbor to get revenge, and think you are doing justice, when in fact you have been duped into doing my dirty work.

You own government allowed 9/11 to happen. They in fact carried it out. I have inside info, that the 9/11 victims families were told by the FBI that they allowed it to happen. I know this because I know someone very close to me, who works with one of the family members, and this is what they were told.

This is the truth, and if you can disprove it, go ahead, I'm ready to debate.

scooby, while I do agree with you on many aspects, not all but many...

what you say there doesn't seem to make much sense to me.

Why would they tell someone that, forcing them to pay hush money? Why not stand by the "official" story to them? Why put themselves at risk like that?

Even if they suspected it, they'd have as much success at outing it than the rest of the theorists, yes? Telling them this story would increase the compensation package substantially, no?

I'd like to know more about the sterilization plans. People don't believe me when I talk bout Planned Parenthood and similar things. I'll go look up Project-2020, but any good docs or links on that angle would be wonderful.

You asshole. You made me spit my soda out through my nose. That is the worst tactic I have ever heard of. Example: I throw a baseball through my neighbor's window. Nobody sees it and I want to keep anyone from having any knowledge of it. So, I go to my other neighbor and tell him what I did and if he doesn't tell anyone, I will give him $100. Why would I go through all this trouble when by not saying anything I could have saved money and effort.

And mike, have you ever been on a mission where you freed a village from the local guerillas by wiping out said guerilllas? And then the villagers then persoanally thank you and your squad for having freed them from the oppressive rule of these guerillas? And at that point realized that no matter what the politacal and whatnot bulls*** is all about, that you yourself are helping to defend people's freedom?.....

Well, me neither, I am still actually in basic training, just home for christmas exodus right now. But my point still remains... Although the military may be corrupted and controlled by other powers (doubtful, but I'll play along with your fantasies), I myself will not be corrupted or DIRECTLY controlled by these powers. I may in one way or another carry out their plans for whatever-the-hell... but I can always reject illegal orders, so if an order is given to me that isn't legal.... I can refuse.... but anyways... you believe what you want and while you are hiding in your parents' basement from the NWO, I'll be seeing the world...

The point is that the people at the top are funding both sides with the intent of destroying both sides. To make a long story short, they are forming a world dictatorship with the intent of them being on top of it all, and controlling us like robots.

9/11 was at the least allowed to happen and most likely was orchestrated by our own government to convince you to give up your rights and start world war four, resulting in the earth population wanting to form a world government to stop terrorism that has no oath of allegiance to one specific country. Only in an international court could terrorists be prosecuted. Global controls will have to be imposed, and world governing body will be created to enforce them, crises precipitate change.

War is terrorism of the rich, while terrorism is war by the poor.

"Why of course the people don't want war ... But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
— Herman Goering Nazi Air Force (Luftwaffe) commander at the Nuremberg Trials, 1946

"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."

-- Adolf Hitler http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_ingan...irrational.html

"Once a government resorts to terror against its own population to get what it wants, it must keep using terror against its own population to get what it wants. A government that terrorizes its own people can never stop. If such a government ever lets the fear subside and rational thought return to the populace, that government is finished."
--Michael Rivero

no government official can guarantee your safety! Government can only guarantee you a police state!

If you terrify the public and make them fear for their safety, they will allow you to implement draconian law enforcement practice, disarm them and keep extensive records on them, and they only have to tell you that it is all to protect you, of course.
"The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened".
- Josef Stalin

Just make sure you know the constitution, because to many of the people who are supposed to protect the constitution, don't even know the laws we are guaranteed. When the government declares martial law and has you go house to house in America and confiscate guns, put up a fight and defend your citizens. Good luck and I hope you stay safe when you go to war.

I knew that it was a "colony" of sorts since the end of the Spanish American War and a certain part of it was used as a wargames traing ground but, nukes being kept there? A little close to Cuba, eh? Hmm, maybe rapid responce time would be a reason to keep them there.

I never heard about the forced sterilization though. That's a new one on me. I'm not saying that you're wrong, just that I'd never heard of it.

Didn't Puerto Rico petition the Feds to become a state a few years ago? Lost by the smallest margin ever if I remember right.

Hello Friends:

Lord Umbarger:
Yes, your very right we have been a U.S. Colony since the Spanish-
American war. Viesquez was what the used for War games as I said.
There was a base by the name of Roosevelt Roads in Ceiba it is close now
because of the closing of the firing range in Viequez. Here is the catch,
there is a part of the Base (Roosevelt Roads)that the U.S. Navy is still
using the submarine base-there are submarines with nuclear warheads
that come and goes almost every other day.

About the sterilization that were hapening it was a SECRET PROGARAM
(Program 2020) the rumor is still hapening they tell the women in public
medical facilities that they are chequing them when actualy they are sterilizing them.

About the petittion It was actualy our general elections and the "Partido
Nuevo Progresista" the pro-statehood party lost by a very small margin.

In REFERENDUMS that had been made here for the las 10 yrs the Statehood
option has allway lost by a big margin.
I hope this answer your questions

I say we just make it a state.

are you actually a ninja? or is that just a title you use to make you look tough in front of girls?

interesting how you know all these so called "secrets"...

Damn... you got me figured out....

Are you actually ignorant, or is that a title you use to escape suspicion?

ummm...how do you know that?...no offense or anything...

Hello Stellar:

I'm Puerto Rican and I'm very passionet about my nation.
Yes,I know a lot about Puerto Rico, I know the history and I'm
pay atention when my People are abused. Remember, that the Native
Americans are the most mistreted people in U.S. Their land were taken the
Buffalo killed and their way of life eliminated. "The trail Of Tears" rings a bell?
The Native American ways are making a very small come back. The Native
Americans are the REAL americans.

About the secrets that I know, well I read a lot, and in this world there is nothing
you can do in "Secret" that sooner or later people will find out. Some of the people
involved in the sterilizatin program, talked and that is the way we find out .
The base in "El Yunque National Forest" we know because late but very late at
night residents of the area had reported Military trafic coming and going into the
"El Yunque" also people that had gone there at night in resent years had intersepted
and taken to a military facility on top of the mountain were they had been kept
incomunicado for days!

Also be awere that weapons like "Agent Orange" were first tried here in Puerto Rico over
populated areas and that still to this day people hava strange kind of Canser and deformities?

And the US tells their top secrets to any portorican who is passionate about their nation and know history? Sure, you may pay attention to when your people are abused, but that doesnt reveal all of the USs dark secrets to you, and that doesnt qualify you to talk about those "secrets" as if you knew them for a fact. Finally, what do the native americans have to do with this?



Ahh, I'm sure its a well kept top secret operation then... considering they put it in books for only the litterate to read. What you read is not always true. No matter how much you read about it, its only a rumour that can either be true or cant. You dont know for certain. Why? Because they're keeping it secret (as much as they can, anyway).



How do you know they're involved in the sterilization program? There are many people that "talk", but talk without credibility is nothing.



What kind of military trafic?



So... this top secret base is unguarded? Whoever stumbles upon it is taken inside? Gee, I wonder if that works for any other top secret base. Hear that guys? Lets go to Area 51. Lets pass the "Do not pass under threat of death" sign, then they'll take us inside!

Your claims leave much to be desired. I would be wary of all of them.



Thats interesting. Can you give me a link on that plz?

In Puerto Rico we had also found a cigar shape UFO with Uranus written all over it!!! Screw you!

fight fight fight, lol

na, lets not lower to personal attacks.

as for puerto rico, i knew all of this, and as stellar said i agree, im sure at least 90% of the people who claim to have 'secret info' or 'special abilities/knowledge' are just bsing to get some attention, cause if i had secret info, i CERTAINLY wouldnt parade it on the internet, which is constantly monitored by the US-(but their is the 10%)

btw, i also think 70% of the conspiracies we all adress in this forum are false

Hello Stellar:

Well, my friend I never claim to know all of U.S.'s secrets
I only said I know some from Puerto Rico.

You said what Native Americans had to do with this? They have
a lot to do with what I'm talking about. The Federal Government,
U.S. Army had taken the REAL Americans taken them away from the land
kill them when they resisted, keep them in bare lands called Reservetions.
Give them sicknes knowlly and so on and on. If the Federal Government can
do that with their OWN people, what can be expected from them. That is why
I mention the Native Americans.

Some of the things I talk about are well know here in Puerto Rico. For example
"El Yunque" there are soldiers that protect the area and they are hiden from view.
The people that are stupid to try to get there at night are taken to a detention
center not to the main facilities. Also there are reports of armed Hunvies and truck
all painted black leaving and comming from the area at very late hours of the night.

Here are some more info you can find interesting:

www.hiddenmysteries.org/conspiracy/facts/puertorico.html

www.viequeslibre.org

www.heureka.clara.net/gaia/orange.htm

www.israelect.com/reference/williemartingovernment_Experiments.htm

You still claim to know "secrets" and I'm wondering how an average person has the ability to find these "top secrets"



But no matter what the US did to native americans at one point in time, it doesnt support your "theories" on what you say the americans are doing to Puerto ricans.



So much for secrets, eh?



They're hidden from view? So someone wandered over there and got stopped by them? Interesting top secret base... Area 51 even has fences.

And so what if the US has a base there? Obviously the government isnt objecting if it is a well known base...



So its not really a secret base, is it? Its just like any ordinary base...



"Mr. David Icke,"

Well, that almost did it for me...

Either way, I see many claims, but no corroborating evidence to support that any of it is currently happening.



Umm, so the US wasnt bombing Puerto Rico, they were simply conducting military exercises on their own land. That happens at plenty of military bases... theres nothing wrong with that...



I'm quite aware of Agent Orange. What does this have to do with your initial claims?



Doesnt work.

Hello Stellar:

I'm so sorry you are so blind. The facts are right there in front of
your face and you can't seem to see them. You are probably a federal
Agent so why listen to you. Stop trying to cover the sun with your hand.

In el Yunque there is a Secret Base we don't know the size or specific location
in the forest but to many things had happen there. Like the soldiers I said all ready.
No is not a well know base. A well known base will be like Fort Buchannan.

About Vieques the U.S. Navy used depleted uranium amunition ,biological and chemical
weapons. The population of Vieques (8,000) hace the doble canser rates than in the
Puerto Rico main land. NO mater what you said the U.S. Navy are not aloud to do that.

In the sites I gave you there is a lot of background and info you can go to.
also try this again:

www.israelect.com/reference/williemartin/government_Experiments.htm

Also you can do a search on Dr. Cornelius Rhoads

Blind? I see no "facts" at all but rather mostly guesswork.



Yes, I probably am.

Far be it for anybody to disagree with you.



I think you need to stop pretending theres a sun to cover with my hand. Its nighttime.



Ok, it could very well be a not very well known base, but it doesnt appear to be a top secret base thats there against the governments wishes. And so what if its a base? Whats your point? Its probably more of a staging point than a real base from the description I've read.



What are you talking about? So what if they used depleted uranium? Thats not uncommon, nor illegal. Bio and chemical weapons? How do you know that?

Look, here are the claims you made:



Where is the evidence of this?



They dont appear to be secret military bases based on your description. Just because people get stopped by soldiers doesnt mean that the bases are secret. The military just doesnt have a habit of letting civvies go all over their base. And so what if they have a base there? What if it was a top secret base? What then? Theres nothing wrong with that.



Again, you seem to have nothing but rumors.



Again, nothing more than rumors.

Just so that you know, there are 4 political parties in Puerto Rico. Partido Nuevo Progresista (for statehood), Estado Libre Asociado, ELA, (wants Puerto Rico to continue being a parasite of the USA), the Independentist and the Socialist (wants it to become another republic, just like in Central America, Haiti, Santo Domingo, Cuba, etc.. The Independentists and Socialists are so "patriotic" and "love" Puerto Rico "so much" that when there is a referendum, they forget about their ideals and vote with the ELA to make it look like the people reject the statehood. For this reason, the margins are so small. If the last two parties wouldn't be so hypocritical, Puerto Rico would be a state by now. I would like to add that the leaders of those two radical parties have degrees form Harvard and Yale university, paid with scholarships from the US government. And they do have homes in the US, just in case things get too bad in PR, if it becomes independent or socialist. How about that?! Oh, yeah, their kids have gone to private schools and to universities in the US. Nice.
And our now governor (ELA) is freaking people out with the food tax, to scare people. Food is not taxed in the states. This is just another tactic used to scare people and make them think that being a state is a bad thing.
Let's be real. We all know all the "under the table" transactions that go on in PR. People don't like to contribute their fair share to society and that's why our economy is down the toilet. I've been trying to get a contractor to do work in my house and no one has a license. And I can go on telling you all the irregularities that go on because the government doesn't care. You go to a government agency and nobody knows what the hell they're doing. Nothing is done when they say it will be done. There are no rules out in the streets, cops don't care because they receive a miserable salary, people throw trash everywhere and then they say that they are proud to be puertorricans? What the hell pride is this? Even worse, the abuse with stray animals is abominable. I am a Veteran of the US Army and I do what I can to show pride in my heritage, but only one or a few is not enough.

Any suggestions?

Way to go Beatle Boy!!

Why dont you just shut your mouth ok. If you just insulted him for serving in the army than you obviously need a life. Wolf spirit and Darkninja we appreciate your service in the armed forces.

fartmonkey65 offers " Why dont you just shut your mouth ok. If you just insulted him for serving in the army than you obviously need a life. Wolf spirit and Darkninja we appreciate your service in the armed forces. "

I didn't insult anyone you bootlicking slave. Wolfspirit brought up a good point about the murderous policies of our government in latin and south america. murderous policies which we as american citizens will take the blame for from unintelligible mental midgets like yourself who can't see the truth if it smacked you in the face. darkninja then offered up the dash cunning response of "screw peurto rico anyway" which is exactly the type of attitude that got us americans in this position in the first place. oh you think that you can just live in ignorance all your life turning your face away from real issues because you can't deal with reality? well i got news for you fartmonkey65, you better wake up, and you better wake up now!

Sorry dude, dont mean to be disrespectful but you are still in basic traning and that little fantasy you read us well that came from your superiors to get you in the frame of mind thay need you for, you still have a lot of learning to do.
any way if your so gung ho why are u in a conspiracies forum

I think boot licking slave counts as an insult lol. I dont appreiate you or your opinions but we in America and on the forums have a right to free speach. Celebrate your freedom. I shall do nothing to stop you. As if no one can have an opinion but you. I am not turning my face away from real issues.

For all you military bashers... here is a great bumper sticker I seen a while ago:

"If you can read this, then thank a teacher. Since it's in English, thank a Soldier."

That's about it. You can hate all you want...