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whoa182
Five years? ermmm, probably not lol, but what if this really does work ! blink.gif

"Hyperspace" drive being investigated

http://www.betterhumans.com/News/5138/Default.aspx

"hyperspace" engine that could allow interstellar space travel through other dimensions is being investigated by the US government.

The engine could let a spacecraft travel to Mars in three hours and to a star 11 light years away in 80 days, according to a report in New Scientist.

Writing on Scotsman.com, science correspondent Ian Johnston notes:

The theoretical engine works by creating an intense magnetic field that, according to ideas first developed by the late scientist Burkhard Heim in the 1950s, would produce a gravitational field and result in thrust for a spacecraft.

Also, if a large enough magnetic field was created, the craft would slip into a different dimension, where the speed of light is faster, allowing incredible speeds to be reached. Switching off the magnetic field would result in the engine reappearing in our current dimension.

The US air force has expressed an interest in the idea and scientists working for the American Department of Energy—which has a device known as the Z Machine that could generate the kind of magnetic fields required to drive the engine—say they may carry out a test if the theory withstands further scrutiny.

While most physicists have never heard of Heim's theory, according to New Scientist, it has made successful predictions of particle masses where other approaches have failed.


This helped spur the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics to award a prize for best paper at its last annual conference to a paper calling for experimental tests of the hyperspace engine, which exploits predictions made by Heim's theories and those of collaborators and advocates.

A working engine could be tested within five years."


Heres the original article from new scientist:

http://www.newscientist.com/channel/fundam.../mg18925331.200
moomooman
This sounds a lot like supposed UFO technology i've heard about.
__Kratos__
We should just wait till the Asgard come around and help us out. tongue.gif

Seriously though... this is awesome and a little out there. It would be years before we saw anything.
whoa182
Five so he says... laugh.gif I'm usually a little optimstic when it comes to technology, but this is hard imagine! mellow.gif

I realllllyyyy hope it works out, it's good to see that they are exploring other far out propulsion other than rockets =/

It will be so depressing if we are stuck in this solar system without having the ability to travel to other star systems hmm.gif
QuantumE
How do they know creating an intense magnetic field will flip them into another dimension? Dimensions are a concept, a theory, we dont even know if dimensions exist.
Welsh Shaun
And what about the gravitational force on the poor Astronauts inside? That would take alot longer than 5yrs to figure out.
Erikl
If it's true, then 50 years is more likely than 5 tongue.gif.

If it's true, we are less than a century ahead before colonizing space and reaching other solar systems, and maybe, just maybe, meeting new life forms.
whoa182
I would say atleast 20-30 Years if this really can work. But thats just a total uneducated guess. original.gif
AKUMA166
wow great news i really hope this theory pulls through. this technological leap will be groundbreaking
thefounder
QUOTE(Welsh Shaun @ Jan 7 2006, 11:06 AM) [snapback]1009939[/snapback]

And what about the gravitational force on the poor Astronauts inside? That would take alot longer than 5yrs to figure out.


maybe they will be unmanned. god, i hope we CAN'T go along.. The majority of humanity is self-destructive and to unholy to justly explore beyond our solar system. I think we need to solve our problems on this corrupt planet before we begin to harm another.
AztecInca
It goods to hear that they are exploring the ideea but I do have to agree with the majority here who believe it will be decades before we see any results. Hopefully in my lifetime though.
The Nameless One
QUOTE(QuantumE @ Jan 7 2006, 10:56 AM) [snapback]1009930[/snapback]

How do they know creating an intense magnetic field will flip them into another dimension? Dimensions are a concept, a theory, we dont even know if dimensions exist.



True and not true. we know 3 dimensions exist. hahaha.
PadawanOsswe
SWEET! grin2.gif *packs bags for Mars*
QuantumE
QUOTE(The Nameless One @ Jan 8 2006, 01:29 AM) [snapback]1011091[/snapback]

True and not true. we know 3 dimensions exist. hahaha.


As in whats been applyed to art. Graphics; A sphere etc. Yes the 3rd "dimension" exists because we named our realm the 3rd dimension, and we know our realm exists. Drawings on paper are given the 2d name and any other dimension as far as evidence and proof holds are not physical realms, just concept.
smallpackage
So like, 10 times faster than the speed of light? 11 lightyears in 80 days? Sounds neat.
Dando Kast
Dimensions is a really bad way to describe what they are doing...the reporters made that mistake..... there is another thread on this in the front page news forum that goes a little more in depth about it... here
SG7
QUOTE(smallpackage @ Jan 9 2006, 09:49 PM) [snapback]1014348[/snapback]

So like, 10 times faster than the speed of light? 11 lightyears in 80 days? Sounds neat.

If it is ten times faster then would you age ten times faster and then be like that whine you stop. unsure.gif
PadawanOsswe
I doubt it. cause your not taking 11 light years to get to a star. your taking about 2 months to travel 11 light years away.
hazzard
Sounds like a bunch of sci fi nonsense to me. disgust.gif
Anubi
would they be unmanned spacecraft using this technology ?.. wondering what travelling at that kind of speed would do to the human body .
Erikl
The closest star to our solar system is Alpha Centauri, which is about 4.3 light years away.
If we'll be going at the speed of light, it'll take us 4.3 years to reach that star.
If we'll go, say, ten times the speed of light, it'll take us 5 months.
80 days are roughly 2.5 months.
This means, in order to reach Alphar Centauri within ~2.5 months, we'll have to go at X15 the speed of light.
This isn't trivial at all, even if we do manage to raise the speed of light and go into hyperspace, we still lack the technology to go behind 10% of our current light speed (with nuclear rockets).
Which means that even if this technology works, we are still decades away from being able to easily construct a space vehicle to reach these speeds.
TheSpecter
sounds more like an 'inertia suppression' engine than all this 'dimension' BS. its a LOT more realistic than slipping into another dimension.
QuantumE
QUOTE(Erikl @ Jan 12 2006, 03:48 AM) [snapback]1017578[/snapback]

The closest star to our solar system is Alpha Centauri, which is about 4.3 light years away.
If we'll be going at the speed of light, it'll take us 4.3 years to reach that star.
If we'll go, say, ten times the speed of light, it'll take us 5 months.
80 days are roughly 2.5 months.
This means, in order to reach Alphar Centauri within ~2.5 months, we'll have to go at X15 the speed of light.
This isn't trivial at all, even if we do manage to raise the speed of light and go into hyperspace, we still lack the technology to go behind 10% of our current light speed (with nuclear rockets).
Which means that even if this technology works, we are still decades away from being able to easily construct a space vehicle to reach these speeds.


Proxima Centauri. In fact if someone were to go to Centauri at the speed of light and come back. People on the earth would have aged 28 years while the person who flew to Centauri aged a matter of months.
Erikl
QUOTE(QuantumE @ Jan 13 2006, 02:16 AM) [snapback]1018649[/snapback]

Proxima Centauri. In fact if someone were to go to Centauri at the speed of light and come back. People on the earth would have aged 28 years while the person who flew to Centauri aged a matter of months.


At the speed of light?
That person wouldn't age a second.
Remember, at light speed, time stops.
And why 28 years?
It's 4.3 years one way, 4.3 the way back, which means:
4.3 + 4.3 = 8.6 years, not 28 thumbsup.gif.
Dando Kast
QUOTE(TheSpecter @ Jan 12 2006, 12:30 PM) [snapback]1017850[/snapback]

sounds more like an 'inertia suppression' engine than all this 'dimension' BS. its a LOT more realistic than slipping into another dimension.


You can throw the "dimension" thing out the window...like I said.... that was just the reporters not using proper terms....
QuantumE
QUOTE(Erikl @ Jan 13 2006, 08:11 AM) [snapback]1019246[/snapback]

At the speed of light?
That person wouldn't age a second.
Remember, at light speed, time stops.
And why 28 years?
It's 4.3 years one way, 4.3 the way back, which means:
4.3 + 4.3 = 8.6 years, not 28 thumbsup.gif.


Light years are a measure of distance not time. thumbsup.gif I meant 23 years by the way. It's all gotta do with Einsteins relativity, do some reasearch you will see.
Erikl
QUOTE(QuantumE @ Jan 14 2006, 08:05 PM) [snapback]1021391[/snapback]

Light years are a measure of distance not time. thumbsup.gif I meant 23 years by the way. It's all gotta do with Einsteins relativity, do some reasearch you will see.


Ofcourse it means distance ie the distance a light beam travels in one year, but it can also be used backward ie how long will it take light to go these number of light years.
Being that the distance between Promixa and our solar system is 4.3 light years, that is - it takes light 4.3 years to reach us from that star, then a body that travels at the speed of light will have to travel 4.3 years (relative to us) in order to reach Promixa as well.
Now, if took that body 4.3 years to pass one way, it'll take the same amount of time for it to travel back. The entire trip sums up to 8.6 years. Simple logic, no?

Ofcourse for the people onboard that ship it'll take no time, because anything traveling at the speed of light doesn't exprience time.
QuantumE
QUOTE(Erikl @ Jan 14 2006, 04:30 PM) [snapback]1021477[/snapback]

Ofcourse it means distance ie the distance a light beam travels in one year, but it can also be used backward ie how long will it take light to go these number of light years.
Being that the distance between Promixa and our solar system is 4.3 light years, that is - it takes light 4.3 years to reach us from that star, then a body that travels at the speed of light will have to travel 4.3 years (relative to us) in order to reach Promixa as well.
Now, if took that body 4.3 years to pass one way, it'll take the same amount of time for it to travel back. The entire trip sums up to 8.6 years. Simple logic, no?

Ofcourse for the people onboard that ship it'll take no time, because anything traveling at the speed of light doesn't exprience time.



^^^^ I see where you are confused, thats dealing with light, were dealing with people and ships that can travel near or to the speed of light, It's all relative to observer and time. Ill send you alittle activity. Einsteins Theory Activity
Raptor
If you were travelling in a ship as fast as this article suggests, wouldn't things like space dust or tiny meteors, just completely destroy the ship?
Moro
QUOTE(T-Nemesis @ Jan 15 2006, 07:03 AM) [snapback]1022388[/snapback]

If you were travelling in a ship as fast as this article suggests, wouldn't things like space dust or tiny meteors, just completely destroy the ship?

In theoretical terms you would be going into a another demention all together this just seems a bit far fetched!
I can understand the magnetic field creating enough force to travel the speed of light concept!
But this is all still in testing the results will be interseting i cant wait!
Moro
And if we did end up going into a supposed alter dimention or another dimention what if the magnetic hyperdrive engine decided to malfuntion is there a possiblity of no return to our reality as we know it?
SG7
QUOTE(Moro Bumbleroot @ Jan 22 2006, 12:13 AM) [snapback]1031573[/snapback]

And if we did end up going into a supposed alter dimention or another dimention what if the magnetic hyperdrive engine decided to malfuntion is there a possiblity of no return to our reality as we know it?

No idea thats why we signed you up for the first test. tongue.gif

Look at this forum. It talks about this tech and UFOs
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=59516

SG7
QUOTE(PadawanOsswe @ Jan 10 2006, 11:16 PM) [snapback]1015915[/snapback]

I doubt it. cause your not taking 11 light years to get to a star. your taking about 2 months to travel 11 light years away.

But would we age years and them months or would we just both age the same?
MrVelvet
Sounds great!...I just wonder how long it will take me to install one on my Miata... ohmy.gif
Ausaria
This might work, assuming that the 4th dimension is a physical place. My theory is that 3rd dimensional bodies like human beings cannot exist in the 4th dimension, just as a 2nd dimensional triangle on paper cannot exist in the 3rd dimension.

They better accomplish something in the next 60 years, before I die. ohmy.gif
Hehe
QUOTE(Ausaria @ Jan 25 2006, 12:16 PM) [snapback]1035185[/snapback]

This might work, assuming that the 4th dimension is a physical place. My theory is that 3rd dimensional bodies like human beings cannot exist in the 4th dimension, just as a 2nd dimensional triangle on paper cannot exist in the 3rd dimension.

They better accomplish something in the next 60 years, before I die. ohmy.gif


Im assumming that you meant the fifth dimesion because we know of and live in 4 dimensions. The 4th being time together forming space-time.
TheSpecter
uhhh... that has NOT been proven.




this is not a deminsion changing engine!! the report was written incorrectly. my theory is that it is an inertia supression engine... if you can reduce the force of inertia upon the ship, then the amount of power needed to accelerate to some ridiculous speed would be attainable by todays technology.
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