Hey all
My second topic and probably a bit contreversial too.

Well first off the bat, I'm not one of God's fans you could say. I find it hard to believe in the big guy and quite frankly don't believe one single guy could have created everybody just like that and will judge us on everything that we do.
Now I'm not trying to insult anybody, but that's MY belief.

Well after spending a few minutes chatting to people I've found that my interest in the paranormal and extreterrestrial is not widely accepted. In fact, 9/10 people I talked to said that I was a weirdo or stupid for believing in any of this stuff.

But suprise suprise, they all (but one) seemed to believe in God.
One of these people was a girl named Sarah, who was obsessed with the fact that ghosts, and other paranormal things defied logic so therefore arent real

But wait a minute... doesn't GOD defy logic? Indeed he does, but she was a strong believer in God and upon questioning his existance I was blocked by her ( ).

So WHY I ask of you is God more widely accepted than the paranormal and alien beings? I mean, all of this stuff (especially alien existance) holds more plausability than God ever has or will right?

I realise some of these people don't believe because their relegion tells them not to, but that was only the case about 2/10 people...
So what's up with that?

Another quick interesting fact I think I would point out is that a lot seemed to believe in angels too (now I think of angels as pretty much spirits or ghosts anyway so I do believe in those) but upon telling them that these angels of theirs were paranormal they got a bit stroppy and said they were messengers of God, not one of those "Crappy ghosts"...

Hmmm.... interesting. Well post up ya' thoughts okay?
--FireFrog

God is proly not the best word to use... spiritualism although is. And that has just had better marketing done to it.

Is it really neccessary to quote the whole post that you're replying to?

And I think you'll find that this is the definition of an Agnostic.

: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
- ag·nos·ti·cism /-t&-"si-z&m/ noun

As an agnostic myself, i don't like people misinterpreting my religion.

ok my two cents worth....and don't bother asking me to convert it to uk sterling..becuase i can't

as i would say to anyone including the head of any religion.who beleives in a supreme being...their is as much proof as (god) as their is ufos and aliens..

so i'm the kind of person who would say...if you can prove it then i'll believe it




note to add....there have been more reports of weird/ufo/paranormal and such things than the big dude upstairs,,,,so who is right

It doesn't mean anyone is right, or wrong. UFO's, aliens/other paranormal phenomenon are physical things which can be seen, heard and touched(if they exist). God/Creator or any other name you want to call the Supreme Being isn't a physical object like those mentioned above. Although I will not be dragged into a religious debate, I will say that I believe in God, and that the universe was a creation by God. Although it can't be proven one way or another, there is an enormous amount of scientific evidense which supports that the universe was created by design.
So it is irrelevant which has more sightings or reports, due the differences in God and any paranormal phenomenon

People believe what they want to believe,& believing their is an all loving creator who will always be there for them,is too them much easier too believe then something that scares most people & goes against the logic of society.Although I don't know why people always have to be so closed minded.It's been proven in the 15th century, everyone thought the earth was flat & now they no it's round.

I agree with you there Esp, I think the main reason is people find it easier to believe in God who is always there for them than to believe that we are on our own and the whole Big Bang / Evolution theory (which many don't even seem to understand for that matter).

But ah well... let them have their God

--FireFrog

As far a God is concerned, yes Benjo, you are agnostic. That's it, as far as I know.

Millions of people have seen UFO's, yet nobody believes in them
Millions of people believe in God, yet nobody has seen him

Raziel, you are mistaken. Millions of people do believe in UFO's.

espdracomth, believeing in God doesn't make someone closed minded. regardless of your religious/spiritual beliefs, you have just demonstrated your closed mind by your statement.

FireFrog, the overwhelming majority of people that believe in God also believe in the Big Bang and the evolutionary process.

Again, nobody can prove or disprove the existance of God, and they never will. Ever. This doesn't mean that God either exists or doesn't exist, but that either possibility could be true, and people can believe what they want. There is evidense to support either belief, so to accuse one side or the other as being 'closed minded' is utterly ridiculous.

Although Homer sometimes there are times when those that are religious become so fanatical they become closed minded. A personal experience has shown me this, I was involved with this woman who decided to become a born again christian and she had rejected everything science has proved and adopted what the bible says as the truth. The difference in her did not bother me since I am not into forcing people to be something they are not. Through some conversations and some arguements we had come to a conclusion that she would only believe that the world was created in seven days and that it was only three thousand years old. I myself not being religious had asked her to speak to her pastor about these things and she even refused to believe him when he tried to get her to see that these events were metaphorical instead of actual. Needless to say that most people are opened minded just sometimes someone can believe in something so much they can become closed minded.

If as the bible says, adam was created first, and everything else came after him, then where do dinosaurs come from? And also, if all human life is thought to have originated in africa, and as humans become shorter and shorter the further back in time you go, does that mean that god was a black midget rather than the white grandfatherly entity he is usually depicted as?

Sorry I didn't mean believing in god makes someone closed minded. What I meant was that if society accepts it then everyones ok with it,but if scientist tell you that ghosts are fake,then they don't believe it. I just feel that as a society everyone still acts like in school, they don't want to be the one thats different.But you were right I was being closed minded there for a little bit. Sorry.

Bloated Corpse,
I'm not defending religious fanatics. There are fanatics on both sides of the debate, and neither are worth defending. I was merely stating that the existence of God can't be proven or disproven, and since there is evidense to support both sides, one shouldn't say the other side is closed minded simply because they disagree.

Libidinous Scourge,
The Bible doesn't say Adam was created first. According to the Bible, Adam was the first human created. However, humans were created on the last day of creation, meaning all the other critters of the planet were created before Adam.

I believe in God and I do not feel I am a close minded person! I also believe in spirits/ghosts, unexplainable/paranormal stuff, UFO's, etc. I personally do not feel that the Bible goes right along with science not against it. It (the Bible) never tells us how God created the Earth or other miracles but that he did it. Science offers an explaination for how he did it. I don't care what God looks like - if he's a black midget well thats just fine with me. I just know that as much as I screw up in my life and stray from him it's good to know that he is still the light in my heart that allows me to wake every morning and make the day worth living and accepts me for who I am (and who you are too).

I'm a God believer myself too. One of the Jesus followers.

I also believe in Aliens, Spirits, Giants, and black midgets.

I just choose to follow Jesus as my guide, instead of a spirit guide/alien/greek god/whatever.

Yes, there are fanatics on all fronts and I can't defend them.

I think the 7 days were literal 24.25 or whatever hrs.

I think there were hundreds or thousands or millions of years before our 7 days of creation.
Kinda like a story:
"In the beginning, Tommy's store was a mess."
There was something before "In the beginning" yes?

Anyway, not here to convince anyone... I like the science talk about things myself.

Just want to say not all of us are quite like your friends.

Hmmm lots of interesting views here....
As a Pagan/Wiccan, I don't believe in one All Encompassing God...... I believe in the forces that help to shape us, nature, time and our own free will to make what we will of this life.
Yes there are God/Goddess in the 'Craft' but we are never bound to one or the other.....

But if you wnat to believe in just one Almighty then you have the freedom to do so, after all Pagans etc believe that their magick works through ritual etc, so may the 'christian' faith, is not so dissimular

I believe in the Earth a collective conscience and a purpose but thats about as far as I've gotten , it is good to see so many people who have found there faith . I have a problem with the fact that I can't believe that there is more than one answer to the problem . There can only be one true theology and most religions make a good argument but there all essentially the same thing . Do unto others , or the rule of three show respect for one another . I believe that everyone moves on to the next stage in life with the Karma they gathered in this existence it's similar to most beliefs . It dosen't matter which religion we all worship we are all going to the same places in the long run just with different bagage.

I would like to start off by stating that while I respect all forms of religion/worship for their morals and values they provide the masses, I do not take the stories literally. I am agnostic and will remain that way until there is valid proof. With all the advanced technology we have not one instrument has ever proven that a "soul" leaves a body after death. If a soul is pure energy, then it should be able to be detected.
I do believe in ghosts and have experienced numerous apparitions, orbs, ect... at many locations in the US and Europe. My fav is the "Myrtles Plantation" in Louisiana! I think they are just some energy stamp on the environment they "haunt". Not a conscious entity.
I have also been fortunate to have witnessed a ufo in upstate NY in the early eighties when I was 11 (Hudson Valley sightings) and the ship was a few hundred feet from us hovering about 4 stories above us.
In my opinion, some mythological creatures (big foot, vampires, werewolves) are pretty far fetched though...
Currently I have been researching some interesting articles regarding "ancient astronauts". The most interesting common denominator is the fact that all religions and cultures have logged reports of "people from the stars/heavens" including the old testament. This ranges from American Indians, Hindus, Greek Mythology, Jewish/Christian Religions, Indian (India), etc...
There is so much information out there on this subject that I could literally write a book on the subject now. If you are into it, run individual searches on -google- using the following key words individually: ancient astronauts, Sitchin, Anunnaki (very interesting! ancient sumerian texts indicate that the gods they believed in were in fact aliens from the stars and this extended to the egyptians, greeks/romans, and even the jews, christians, catholics, etc... beliefs), dropas, cathars...
I am surrounded by many friends who are not so closed minded and some have mentioned in years past that "due to the "missing link" they believe humans were in fact created by aliens..." Also some of my friends believe in ghosts as well.
I will admit that I have also encountered quite a few people that firmly believe that -their- religion is the only way and all others will go to hell if they dont believe what they believe... It's so sad to see so many closed minded people in that respect. In most cases it is sensless to even approach these individuals with notions of "ufo's, aliens, ghosts, etc..." Any way you skin a cat to eaches own and whatever makes one happy and comfortable with their lives, more power to em! Sorry for the long post... Peace!

Look at my name. GOTHICGODDESS. What comes to mind when you see that name? Prolly wiccan or some other religion since they believe in gods and goddesses. Would you be surprised to know that I was raised Catholic and still devote my life to Jesus? I'm sure that thought never goes along with my name. That's because even believing in God, I still believe in everything else. God did create the planet, there for everything witnessed or experienced, or even created in it are done in his hands. There for, believe in everything. It surely exists.

What do I think when I see your name? I think "thread necromancer".

Y'all realize that the last post on this thread was 3 years ago?


Oh, and before I forget: Welcome to UM. Enjoy your stay.

this is soooo true I believe there is more evidence to suggest the exsistance of aliens ghosts etc than there ever will be of God (i do believe in god in some exstent but not that he created the whole earth and every single man )

REALLY is that so??? Thats funny see I believe in God...but I also believe in evolution...I believe that it was God that created the bacteria in order for evolution to grow

I also believe this earth is 4.7 billion years old...fancy that huh??

The same experience I had.

I think that they don't understand it because, they keep wondering; were'd those gases come from?;were'd the atoms come from?; but really it's really not that hard to
understand the big bang theory.

that's what I thought. but I think differently now. evelution takes years in process.
and in the bible it says god made the world in seven days. Does that make sense?
and also, adam & eve lived with the dinos?

NOPE LOL but I think it was Yel that said....7 days to us seems short but in Gods years..seven days could be anyhting...olike billions of our years...does that make sense???

Maybe we have had it wrong all along. Maybe back from the beginning of any kind of crude record and document keeping time period, everything that people experienced as a 'revelation' was some sort of paranormal activity.