Yes I know. This stuff aint new. But check out the story behind his death and who got affected and why he commited suicide. Warning proceed caution. Very sad. Dont be stupid and immediately bash him for what he did and call him "selfish". Check the site first before u judge or say your opinion. BTW he announced he was going to commit suicide in front of 100s of ppl on a forum and he did it in front of a cam.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060118/tc_af...gariausinternet


http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessag...25527152&page=0

Got this from digg. some of u may have already seen or heard about this already. This ain't new to any of us. But try checking this out. I bet this is going to be locked or taken down so theres no discussion on this but oh well. I for one respect his decision. Who can blame him? No ones got it perfect. We all have problems in our lives and even worse we have really hard problems to wry about and overcome. Its just sad he had to end it this way. Please be respectful when u write your comments. I'm not asking u to show sympathy just try to think about what you red. But if u dont want to read this then no ones forcing u.


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We can do without the profanties in the future.
BurnSide

thats crazy,jesus,i'm speechless,i can't believe people would make a joke out of it,it pisses me off that they would joke around

Again, do not curse please.
BurnSide

Ok, I'm not going to call him selfish. Or a coward. Knowing people who have also taken their own life, I know they weren't cowards, or selfish. But it is a mental issue, for some reason, they are trapped and can't see any way out. And it seems that this is the right answer, even though it isn't.

They just don't understand the consequences beyond they need to escape.

It's sad that people can get this way.

Regards, PA

I know I am going to get bashed for this but...I think people who commit suicide are weak and shouldn't get any sympathy, reguardless of their situation/story.

You're right, you will be flamed for it. You obviously don't know anyone who's committed suicide, do you! Or if you do, you're still blaming them for leaving you. When you know a strong-willed person who, for whatever reason, kills themselves, you'll know that being weak has nothing to do with it.

edit: ok, maybe they don't deserve sympathy. But what about the family they leave behind? Mother's, father's, husband's or wive's? What do they deserve?

Poeple who do decide that death is better, shouldn't be blamed for the way they feel, they feel that way for a reaon, sometimes the reasons are cumulative, other times they're relatively quick. In either case, their are signs. and if friends/family don't see those signs, then what do you expect them to do. Psychiatrists can only help so much, but it is support of loved ones who will help get them through the problems and sort it out.


The act of taking your own life, is not weak.
Struggling on in vain, is where the weakness lies..

He was also on MetalGearSolid.org since then the site has been suspended. looks like their also being investigated

Well that sucks. It's pretty stupid he used motor oil too, should have just used a gun so they believed him when he said he was gunna kill himself.

i don't think its good to call someone stupid who has commited suicide,it doesn't matter how he did it,its the fact that he did do it,i apologize for swearing earlier

It's nice to see someone who actually understands depression.
But regretably, that's the exact situation my sister has been in for months, I just hope she doesn't go and do something like this.

My thoughts go to the victim, his family and his friends. More needs to be done to try and make these people aware that there is always a better solution. As someone once said, 'Suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem'.

I'm a member of GameFAQS, and I hadn't seen this before. Poor guy. I hope everything works out for him.

I didn't read the article or any other posts....suicide is the most selfish act a person can take.
End of summary.

Yah, I just got home today from a funeral. One of my best mates (an old school friend) mother passed away (suicide). I've been over his house so many times, his mother was so nice. One of the loveliest, funniest, kindest and strongest women I've ever known. You'd never think this'd happen. But events conspired to bring her to that point where there was (in her mind) no other option.

Now, for those who've said it's selfish, and they don't deserve sympathy - I'd like to know what you would have said to the family at the funeral today? Get over it, she deserved it, she was weak, a coward, selfish..........

The only selfish ones, are people who attempt suicide to promote image and make people sympathise.

I think this is incredibly sad , I've gone through the whole depression thing, and it's not fun. To all you people who think he's selfish, try to put yourself in his shoes.

that's awful suicide or not, death is always sad

I knew their was something wrong about this story.

I'm going to get political with you for a moment: a website run by some people I respect -- MetalGearSolid.org (which coincidentally used photographs of Hideo Kojima that I'd taken myself in its layout) -- has been shut down by "a government agency" following an AFP newswire story (reported on Yahoo! News and CNN, among other places) about how a member of their forums broadcasted his suicide via webcam as other forum members egged him on. Apparently it was big news for a few moments over there in America.

Well, the worst thing is, it's not true. For one thing, the forum member, who did in fact commit suicide, did not broadcast his death. Moreover, the forum members tried with all their might to talk him down.

Some of you may know me as a vicious liar and all that. And I'll admit that I do lie about a lot of things, though usually only in things as inconsequential as videogame reviews. I'm not Yahoo! news or CNN or anything; I'm just a guy with a hobby. This kind of misreporting is fun (for me, at least) as a hobby. As something done by professionals in the field of journalism, it's terrible. It's probably the worst thing that has happened in the media, regarding how people who play videogames are portrayed. It's worse than the EverQuest guy killing himself; it's worse than guys in Korea dying on gaming binges; it's worse than a lot of other things. This kind of journalism is even worse than Jack Thompson. That stupid son of a b****.

What you can do, after you've appropriately read up on this, is contact the AFP wire organization telling them, plainly, that you think this is horrible, that they should fire the reporter responsible for these bizarrely malicious lies, and then apologize as widely as possible. Chances are, the APF have fired the guy already, and are as upset about this happening as we all are. However, the general public aren't going to forget what they heard first, and even if a retraction is issued, the damage is irreversible. So. It helps to spread the word around. So go for it.

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This is not the only place reporting the original story false.

There's a time and a place for your opinions on suicide and a funeral is not a place for that. People who commit suicide are still selfish and deserve no sympathy.

for the person at the moment it seems to be the best act that they can do just to escape depression



what?they deserve sympathy,and just because they do one thing for themselves makes them selfish,some people who do everything for other people and get nothing in return and get treated like sh** are the ones who might end up commiting suicide,just one act for themselves and they get called selfish and are all of a sudden a coward,its ridiculous that they get called these things,imagine yourself in the person shoes and see how you feel

ps.regardless of whether or not the person did die or not,its still not good to say things about them

i think reality is different for everyone and in some cases just can't be defined or given lines drawn to say what is here or what is there. you can't just throw out a rule of thumb saying that every person that kills himself is selfish. you never know what that person went through, their views on life, the world, religion, music, love, family, dreams, hopes, aspirations, emotions, thoughts, likes, dislikes, moments of fruition, moments of failure, the memories that come back to haunt, the memories that are welcomed, idea of freedom, and all the other Infinite things that contribute to a person's experience. sometimes i think it's best to follow what god says and let him do all the judging. Living the dream life is undefinable because everyone has a different definition for it, just as a living nightmare, all have a different definition for that as well. Whos really to say what is right and wrong after hearing a person who opposes your views just as justified at the other end of the spectrum and driven by just as much passion, love, hate, innocence, guilt, freedom, liberty, and all the other things that cause you to do what you do, say what you say, and feel what you feel? life is undefined and better that way.

wow,nicely put,i propose that anyone who is reading,start the slow clap until it rises uncontrollably and reaches out to all forums
*begins slowclap but no one else begins cause there is only two people reading this thread*

thanks. i'm not that good at putting my ideas into words sometimes sorry lol.

lol,its cool,i understood,well,me and you understood,everyone else is like,gone or sumtin

Oh god, you are uneducated.

Let me take you through the basics of depression:

Depression, can either be a depressed mood, or a mental illness. The mood lasts for less than two weeks, and is hardly enough to make someone kill themselves. The illness lasts for longer.
The illness has various explanations, but it does have a physical form. << Omg! Hear that! It's not just some irrational wave of emotion!
The physical form takes place in the neurotransmitters, usually when there's not enough serotonin. << This is why Anti-Depressants attempts to boost Serotonin. Serotonin ftw!
Also, Mitchell (Kuja) was 21, this is after the time where puberty stops the whole OMG HORMONES thing. So again, it wasn't just a silly thought.

Honestly, if you can't respect the decision of a man with too many problems to bear, you need a heart. I knew that guy, I was crushed to hear he killed himself, and even if you didn't know him, you should be crushed too.
I can't believe your ignorance.

I respect someone who rises up and gets through their problems 100x more than a person who gives up (includes suicide).

The death of this young man truly upsets me. My thoughts are with his friends and family.

But the tragic exploitation of his death by Mr. Jack Thompson, who makes another desperate cluth for the spotlight after having his license revoked, saddens me even more.

What some people are capable of is beyond me...



Click "In Response to Jack Thompson" for source.

With clinical depression, sadly this is not necessarily a possibility. Do some research.

as i always say

' Suicide is the cowards way out '

however it is selfish on how much greive he is causing the family just because he had a proplem he should of told his family and if they didn't listen ( which i doubt ) then i would be sorry for the guy and how his family drove him to suicide but i am not this guy was a coward who couldn't deal with life ( yes i have been throught this sort of thing once i am a teenager ) and decided to end life because life wasn't good enought for him and he couldn't take it anymore however a pubilic suicide is far more selfish than a private sucide becaus ehe wanted to be noctied by the world in his final hours and guess what he did He wanted the spotlight and we gave it to him

God bless his family


Oh and the gaming question his suicde was only nocticed because antigamers wanted to use this to ban games because ' it makes chirldren commit suicide and this is as dumb as commtining suicide and there for this is where my next quote from me comes from


' If one is to take his life I have this to say, think about the people you will hurt and destroy and make thier souls commit suicide in other words, Don't '



Edit: Jack Thomposon was a real jerk in that reply

THE SON OF A b****!!

Again, take a read.

You're calling him selfish, because he had a mental disorder.

I would like to set this straight, Clinical Depression IS a mental disorder. It HAS a physical form. It's just as real as Parkinsons, Schiztophrenia and ADHD.

Calling someone selfish because they committed suicide during depression, is like
Calling someone a loser because they had an epileptic attack.

Don't be so cruel and heartless.

No i am not calling him selfish because he had a mental disorder i am calling him selfish because for 1 he didn't take into account on how many people hed be hurting by his actions and 2 he did it in pubilic

So he can live with the mental disorder, money problems, and family problems for the rest of his life, and toture himself.

Or he can commit suicide and make a few people sad for a year or so.

Honestly, I respect his decision. Depression is awful. It's hard to live with yourself.



No, he didn't.

Again, try reading up on Depression before leaping in to the wrong conclusion. People who are depressed do not take other people into consideration when they do things - that's part of the disorder.

Thankyou Replacement, that was a good analogy, calling someone a loser for having an epileptic fit.

Regards, PA

Some of them understand the consequences, they just have no other choice...


Yes, since I attempted doing so once, perhaps I am weak but I think that that post is really offensive and you probably never felt like that or know any one that has tried or haves relatives that did that...


Sometimes the family doesn't deserve either cause they can be one of the main reasons why...
I hate how fake some people are after someone's death, saying things like "oh, he/she was such a nice person" at the funeral then one week or month after that (depending on the bastard) they do not even remember it...


And how is it when family doesn't care about them?
I remember when I attempted to do it, moments before drinking the poison that I had prepared I could hear a voice inside of me yelling me to stop, but I tought that there was no turning back, so I just took it... but I survived...


Perhaps it is, but I don't think that you can only resume it by saying that, that definitely doesn't look polite...


Yes, people are/were not necessarily weak just cause they did so, 2 days ago I was talking to a friend of mine on MSN and I recalled something he said "you are the one that is going to die first" (he was answering a irritating phrase that I said to him, where in the end I said to him to die far away from me, I was joking BTW, and he knows it), I asked him why he said it, and that started a long conversation where he talked about how he always admired me for being able to tell the truth to other people and say some things that he always wished he could, he said that he was admired how I was still alive after so much suffering that I went through in my life (and he only knows me for 4 years or so), he was admired how I never tried to commit suicide and he told me how he knew people that have done the so by much less, I didn't had the courage to tell him that I did so some months ago (I really did not know what to say, I always admired him, for being almost like me, but in a more controlled way and with better grades than mine, and just in a moment, I came to know that he admired me, I am ashamed for what I did and I won't try it again, not after hearing this from him)


I also do not like those people, but I would give them more attention if that made them happy, I myself I destroyed every evidence that I committed suicide, even after taking that mix of anti-depressives (a poison basically), I used the last moments before feeling the effects to clean the glass carefully and I putted it in the dishwasher, just to make sure there wouldn't be any rest of that poisonous drink there, in fact, this was so well done, that the people who live with me just tought I was sick...

oh good grief, people. here, let me walk you through the mind of a suicidal person.

first of all, you guys talk about how "selfish" they are clearly do not understand what you're talking about. depressed people generally believe with all of their hearts that there is not a single person on earth that cares about them. they do not think that they will be hurting anyone by dying... they don't think anyone will even notice they're gone. so it is not a selfish act.

secondly, it takes more courage to actually end your life than any of you could possibly know. in theory, it may be the easy way out... but when it comes down to it, it takes a VERY strong, VERY determined, and VERY desperate person to actually commit suicide. it is an act of courage and desperation, not one of cowardice.

generally, those who really kill themselves are not looking for attention. it takes a sincere person to follow through with the act. those who "attempt" suicide as a way of seeking attention are selfish. those who actually do it are not. they are generally just trapped and feel that there is no other way out.

hello he id it on a PUBLIC FORUM ok well he didn't really but he did anounce it and then killed himself which in my mind is selfish and thats just my opinon

I don't know about that, at least this way they know what happened to him, and he didn't hide it from them, showing more trust, respect and friendship than it would show if he hide it, he said it cause he trusted them, believe me, he wasn't being selfish he was toughtful and sharing...

Actually murder, rape are selfish, suicide isn't, unless it's an act of war.


I don't know how it would be if the family doesn't care. I know how hard it is when they do care, trying to keep the fact secret is friggin hard. I think I would find it easier to deal with them not caring, it would make the decision easier...


Family are generally the last people you want to know.