[font=Palatino Linotype][size=7][color=#FF0000]I have had many encounters. Most of which while I was younger. Lived in a house til I was almost 5 that the front door would open and shut then you'd hear footsteps cross the floor go up the stairs to the attic and then it/them would turn the attic light on. From there moved into a house where my sister's room was straight across from the living room where we had a woodstove. If you've ever felt the heat of a woodstove, you know that it can get HOT! In her room, even if the door was left open, it would be freezing cold. She would experience the foot of her bed being picked up and slammed down over and over. I also experience the feeling of someone sitting down on the foot of my bed about a year or so ago and no one was in the room and my boyfriend at the time was in the living room the whole time....no one else was in the appartment. These are just some of my insights into the supernatural.

All of these things are quite amazing to me!
I have had a few experiences myself sweetie mainly when i was younger in the neighborhood i grew up in always felt eerie at times and sometimes i would wake up in the middle of the night out of breath and very cold and see a dark shadow cross the cieling it always scared me at first but after a few times i got used to it i sorta felt like i was being used for energy at times!
But this is part of my weird childhood!.

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Heh.....didn't we all have a weird childhood to some extent. The experiences I've had give me no other choice but to believe in a life beyond death.

I heard once that even when you catch glimses of something out of the corner of your eye that it's angels or spirits.

Yeah i have no other choice but believe in life beyond death myself

Odd that this spirit could gather enough energy to move a bad. Most discorporated human spirits have a difficult enough time knocking things over. Which is a theoretical reason for sporadic physical ctivity in haunted houses, where a human spirit is suspected. "Normally", and I use that word loosely here, it is not ghosts, but rather entities that are "other" (JP's trying to get me to stop using certain words around the new people) which are capable of exerting their will on the physical world. Let me ask, during the bed shaking incidents, what were the ages of any and or all children in the house?, as this may not have been spirit activity at all.

My sister was a teenager, my brother was around 7 or 8 and I was 5 or 6. We lived in that particular house til I was 10. Incapible of lifting a bed with someone in it. My sister would yell for my dad, and my dad would open her door and it would stop. No one else would be in the room.

Being your sis was a teen, it's possible that this was RSPK at work, as opposed to spirits. There is a theory that with teens, specifically female teens that latent Psi abilities cause poltergeist phenoms. It seems more likely, to me at least, that this theory is more plausible than the "noisy ghost" probability. The door slamming would also be supportive of this theory, even if it occurred while sis wasn't home.

Although "statistically" there isn't *significant* evidence of the female adolescent link to recurrent spontaneous psychokinesis (RSPK), since its nearly impossible to really compile compelling "evidence" in the case of the paranormal, there does seem to be at least enough circumstantial indication that this hypothesis may indeed "hold water" - that errant psi ability fromk one or more persons is responsible for most poltergeist phenomenon.

While that may be a plausible explaination for that certain experienc, what would explain the coldness? My sister was a teen before we moved into that particular house. The house which we moved out of however, other owners have experienced such things. I also wouldn't think that those such things could happen while the person in question wasn't in residence. These things continued after my sister moved out, at least the temperature changes.

the important question here is this.......Were they measured, actual temperature changes, or percieved temperature changes?

That really is the crux of the biscuit. If you can confidently say it was definite significant physical temperature changes, then further study may be needed, even if only to find out where there might be a loose brick of board - or to see if there may indeed be *something* there.

it always ends up coming down to one thing!
your either a believer or a skeptic and in truth there is really no winning on this topic,

Here in Houston, we have the San Jacinto Battlegrounds. Its the battlefield where Texas won its independance from Mexico. Anywho, I like to go there alone sometimes and just wander the park. I ALWAYS get the feeling I am not alone. Like there is always someone following me. I dont get a negative feeling or anything. Its always one of sorrow and sadness.

SO being a skeptical believer, where do I fit in?

So what are you saying that you will only believe in ghosts Etc. if you experience one,
yourself?

I't might be the best hightech equipment in the world will never be enough to detect a ghost!
maybe they will only show themselves to people who are willing to know there is something
out there beyond death and not question it otherwise!

i understand, i am only 11 years old, but since i was abvout three(maybe younger!) i have had lots of encounters. my room is very cold, even though the heat is on in my room. i see walking shadows, hear and sense people. feel some one touch my cheek when no one is hear. those are just a few. the most common stuff i see is orbs of light in my room. they seem as though they watch me, although they have no face. i'm bit of a coward so this is a big problem for me. only my closest friends know about this and my parents don't.

Well, Animetenshi, as long as you have someone to confide in, this is good. I would recommend confiding in parents and other family whenever possible but I understand sometimes there seems to be a number of barriers - but don't rule the possibility out. Approach the events objectively and even investigate them if you're interested, you might as well, if you have such constant proximity with this type of thing. Make sure you know its not your own imagation and assumptions, in some of these things, however.

By the way, except for some capitalization and punctuation (which I myself sometimes skip), your posts are exemplary even for thirty year olds. Good to see literate internet users. =)

No, when I say skeptical believer, you do not understand my meaning. I do believe in ghosts, spirits and demons, I am, however, skeptical of many of the stories I read about them. I know there are all sorts of ways to misinterpret what is going one around you, or what you percieve to be going on around you as ghost/spirit/demonic activity. (not You, per se, but anyone.) I'm not blind to hypnopompic or hypnogogic hallucination, I'm not naive enough to ignore the possibility of mental illness, not irrational enough to rule out structural or mechanical problems. Only when all the "normal" possibilities have been ruled out then, can I agree that it's probably "other". Though there are some stories that get related, on here or in person which have certain elemants, which are not necessarily the "Movie/pop culturally" known elements of certain types of hauntings which normally make them more palatable.

So, as I said I am a skeptical believer.

I'm sorry i took that the wrong way EDW74!
it is great that you try to rule out every other possibilty before thinking anything else!
I myself am not good enough with these ghost stories to rule them out as fake or anything,
else! I have been reading on it though and do understand the reason to be skeptical,
of the stories that are told!

Hmm. So they only exist for those predisposed to belief in them? Sort of a spirit world "chicken and the egg" conundrum, I'd say. Or they only appear to those unable or unwilling to wield rational judgment and objectivity?

JP, the only reason that phenoms never happen to you is that you have an anti-weird field.

I really would'nt go so far to as to say that unless you just dont believe in them period and try to rule ghosts out all together and in that case you would never know if they really existed!
Question if you woke up in the middle of the night to haunting noises feeling as if you were tied to the bed and feeling as of being suffocated and the air is so cold you can see your breathe and seen a dark shadow cross the cieling tell me JP how would you yourself go about rejecting this all together?

I'm not sure what a "haunting noise" is but I'll go with it for now. Feeling paralyzed and suffocated, I'd guess that I'm exeriencing sleep paralysis and/or "Old Hag" syndrome, since I just woke up.

The cold air would be a mystery, as I have an electric heater on - I CAN see my breath in other parts of the house but I'll keep to your point.

A dark shadow crossing the ceiling - presuming I could rule out my cat and various tricks of light and reflection and errant breezes moving curtains and paper, I'd be ticked off that I couldn't move to get a better look at whatever the thing is on the ceiling. I'd watch it to see if it seemed to move willfully and have any definite shape, I'd also try various things like counting to and from 20 forwards and backwards, establishing a "centered" breathing pattern, and keep attempting to regain control of my body and say something, timing myself as best I could for the full extent of the sighting/situation.

I have no doubt that would be frustrating, disturbing and frightening. I might even wet myself and have a panic attack. But it wouldn't magically make me believe in spirts and the afterlife.

I'm surprised that you didn't run to the hypnopompic/gogic hallucination theory on the basis of the scenario where you just woke up. Waking dreams are one of the most common components of SP.

"I'm surprised that you didn't run to the hypnopompic/gogic hallucination theory on the basis of the scenario where you just woke up. Waking dreams are one of the most common components of SP"

wow both of you really do your research on subjects like this!
most of this i never knew thanks for explaining this to me in detail!
I am interested to learn more about what you guys know do you think you could give me some pointers or atleast give me a few webpages on the subject?

Because we're on a forum, I'm never sure, so I'll ask.

Are you being sincere? or facetious?

It is hard to tell, sometimes, though the question seemed sincere.

And I'd like to add that I intentionally omitted the hypnopompic hypothesis so ED could make a constructive and informative post - I more or less inferred it within the idea of discounting explanable things such as reflections, etc.


Of the two of us, ED appears to be the "field expert" in these types of things, though inclined to all sorts of boogey man hooha, while I can douse any apparitions within a 10 mile radius just by constantly reassuring myself that ghosts and Mudlick, Kentucky don't exist. Most of my voluminous knowledge is armchair research from voracious reading, extra money and lack of social outlet. Recommended reading:

William G. Roll
Nandor Fodor
Harry Price
Charles Forte
Edith Fiore
Hans Holzer
Ed and Lorraine Warren
Professor Henry Sedgwick
Sir Oliver Lodge
A.R.G. Owen
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Frederick Mysers
Walter Pierce
Richard Hodgson
Walter Franklin Pierce
William James
Suzy Smith

For "other" topics:
Old & New Testament, Related Works (Talmud, Book of Mormon, Quabbalah, Koran, etc)
Abnormal Psychology
Jacques Vallee
Whitley Strieber
Carlos Castaneda
Robert Bach
Aton Levey
Joseph Weed
Carl Jung
J.B. Rhine
Wallis Budge
Raymond Buckland

by no means am I an expert, simply well versed. because you are anti-weird I sit agog that you admit to reading their publishings You really do need to get out more often! please don't reccommend anyone else his writings unless you're telling them to do it for the comedic value (no offense to anyone intended)
Buckland? I think I'm gonna be sick!

I too have an extended list of reading, hours of sit down with pastors, priests, rabbi's, reverends and even some Army chaplains who's denomenation I was never aware of, personal experiences, occult practices, from my misspent youth and hours of interviews with people who have experienced ghosts, apparitions, misc phenoms, demonic attack and "experiences" (with "experiences", they believe something happened to them, I can't figure out what, niether could they, so I guess it's other.)

thanks i am hoping that i can gain the courage to tell them, but i'm kinda afraid of what they might say. i know my parents love me and i know they want me to be happy , but i'm stilll a bit nervous.

anyway, thanks

All i know is whatever happened to me when i was young i do believe it was a ghostly experience!
And that is all i can make of it because the things you and jp are saying to disprove it is jibberish to me i have no idea what any of it means!
But yes in sincerity i would like to learn more about what you know.

No, No, No! you've gotten me mistaken for a full fledged skeptic, which is not the case. I'm a skeptical believer. I do believe in ghosts, spirits, demons hanutings and all kinds of phenoms. I'm also old enough and (hopefully) intelligent enough to know that there are often simple explanations for phenoms. I don't just automatically jump on the "spirits are here and we got us here a haunting" bandwagon. I've seen, done and been around too many things in my life to not know that not all hauntings are really hauntings.

Example; I had a friend who asked me to take a look around his house, said he was hearing voices and such. I asked if he'd seen a Dr. and he had. I asked a lot of questions. Turned out to be an alarm clock radio, would come on at 921pm every night, wasn't turned up real loud, hardly noticeable, and would turn itself odd after 20 minutes.

All I am saying is that there are , normally, explainable causes for phenoms, and that one should rule out the reasonable and logical causes before yelling "Ghost"

[font=Century Gothic]Now why on earth would you want to fit in? Everyone has their own set of beliefs and opinions. But one question......what's the definition of a skeptical believer? I would think you believe or you don't.[/font]

Ow my eyes.

And I believe he was asking that rhetorically, as to "where do I fit into YOUR framework" - indicating, ironically, iconoclasm.

Well forgive me all to (expletive deleted, is hell an expletive?). I'm sorry if I don't fit neatly into your little world of black and white, right and wrong, believer or skeptic. Perhaps, it's because I see that the world is not that simple, and that not everything fits into the confines which you have built for yourself. If you would like to have mature discussions about this subject, I would be happy to oblige, however, if you want to get your panties in a twist that's your bag to carry and not mine. Thank you, and please.....Have a Nice Day!

I'm sorry for the explosion of the size of font. That made it seem as if I was yelling. LOL! I didn't intend for it to sound like everyone has to "fit". I meant for it to sound as if "Who wants to 'fit in'?"

Well i'm glad to know that you was'nt trying to bite everyones head off!

No, of course not. Heh. You know I'm too sweet to do such a thing.

believer or skeptic either way really doesnt matter to me what one thinks of all this!
I just know that i do believe in ghosts/spirits!
And i also find all the science behind debunking it all together interesting as well.

Off topic but....StrmySummer, when you redo/edit your posts, don't delete these things at the end of your posts.... [/color][/size][/font] . I know it's no big deal really but I've just noticed it in a couple of your posts!

Example with size adjusted to 4

Thanks, I think I will just stick to whatever font this is and not mess around with it anymore.......LOL. That's how I get myself into trouble.

I was 5 when my grandmother died. For months after her death my mother and i could hear her "walking" around in her room at night and on seveal occasions she would knock furniture down.

I think that spirits, especially relatives, want to let us know they are around and let us know they're around, and that they're ok.

I also think that spirits want us to know that there around!
But i really dont think all of them want to be nice even relatives but this is something that we will never know for sure!
I also think that some things like ghosts/paranormal activity ingeneral will never be understood completely even if they were proven to be real.

No, of course not all are nice/good. Spirits are, I believe, as they were in life and sometimes maybe even worse. And yeah, I'd have to agree, we will never fully understand or know what goes on in the beyond until we are there and experience it for ourselves.

When there is flashes of like green, yellow, orange. Those are fairies. Or they are suppost to be.

Hello Friends:

My grandfather(Grandmother all ready gone)pass away on 11/11/05 and I used to live in his house with him. The family decided that I should stay in the house
until other arangement can be done.(I'm a divorsed male of 42 yrs old)
Well one night after the funeral, I decided to bless the house(my granfather
never realy belived in God or a supernatural force) I started slpashing holly
water around the house, and all of the sudden I strted feeling like someone
or something was fallowing me around the house while I was blessing it!!
I don't know if it was my grandfather that disagree with what I was doing or
may be a different entity!! Perhaps was something that was keeping my Grandfather
from God I don't know. May be you guys know??

I personally don't believe anything "keeps" someone "from God" - when you die, you pass on as natural, and to whatever happens next - which is why I don't believe in spirits and such.

Hello J pad:

Out of curriosity, What do you belive happens next?
Even you have to know our body is here only, but for a moment.
We are energy and energy has to go somewere?

I don't rightly know, naturally. I think "God" is existance itself, including us - not some entity somewhere else far and away - therefore, I would think when the human body function concludes, the energy is recycled, possibly with the whole 'soul' thing being separate and reinvested into the mass body again, possibly not. Its irrelevent, really.