Predictions of world coming to an end has been predicted for centuries in 1999 there was supposed to be a armagedon and did it happen, No it didnt!. What do you think about all this stuff Bible Codes, World War 3,Mayan Predictions....etc.. do you think it is true?? because i dont anybody can just predict stuff like in the 60s and 70s they thought that the new millenium will be all high tech and that we will use hover cars but it didnt come true.

actually, this has already been discussed before ...you may have to go back a page or two, but the topics are there...

I hope no one comes in here talking about the Mayan calendar and the end of the world (crosses fingers). So sick of seeing this stuff.

What do I think? Two words : "Extreme Paranoia". Actually, I decoded that from the Bible.

i'm just going to see what happens in 2006, if iran goes bombing israel on the 3rd of august then i'll be worried about the whole 2006/2012 thing .

Why would Iran go bombing Israel? Why would anyone invite the wrath of the United States on themselves. Bombing Israel is signing the death warrant of your whole nation.

They don't have any nuclear weapons. They insist they are developing it for civilian purposes. Based on the insistance of the US that Iraq had WMD, I am inclined to believe them.

The fact that the Dubya stated in January of 2002 that Iran was part of an axis of evil - it has been fairly obvious to me since then, that they were a part of the US's imperial conquest and they would go to war with them no matter what.

All you have to do is listen to the way the unquestioning (compliant) media rattle on about Iran to know, all they are doing is influencing the people to believe Iran are a threat. It is all (not so) subtle mind control. You say something enough - people will just start to believe it. If you really focus on the language the media use - you can see right through the deceit. For example, they will say '...it is feared Iran is developing nuclear weapons...', all that means is someone, somewhere is afraid that will happen. I fear I may $hit my pants in public - doesn't mean it's gonna happen! Next time you read a newspaper or listen to the news - read between the lines.

Anyone who still does not see the US is merely stomping through the Middle East taking them out one by one, and enacting the PNAC's plan really needs to wake up!

The increase in the coverage of Iran says to me that its only a matter of months before another 'preemptive' attack.

I hope I am wrong.

Sorry bit of an off topic rant - I apologise.

Its not what the media say , its President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declaring that Israel is a 'disgraceful blot' that should be 'wiped off the map' -

Again, media spin in action - I have not heard the whole of the speech he made that day, but one thing I did hear was that he said that Israel was supposed to been created to make amends for the crimes committed against Jews by Europe, so the Palestinians having to suffer makes no sense. He said a Jewish state should have been created in 'Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska'.

He claims to have been misinterpreted and mistranslated to harm Iran's reputation. It does make sense - things do not always translate directly from one language to another. The phrase 'wiped off the map' may not have the same connotation. He may have just been referring literally to the world map and expressing his view that Israel was in the wrong place.

See, what the media does is take key phrases that suit the agenda, and repeat those over and over and ignore the rest of what is said. All I'm saying is we all need to see the bigger picture and not believe everything the media says on face value.

Just a thought, but why would he say that at a time when the pressure is on. The rest of the world is debating your nuclear developments and you mention Israel being wiped off the map. Highly dubious behaviour.

Peace.

but...he said it in front of 3000 people, it isnt US media saying this..its everyone, even moscow.

here, a bbc report, they are usually reliable

BBC

Yeah. I read that too. He was speaking to 3000 Iranian students and his remarks were reported on TV.

As you mentioned the Russian minister - he said "What I saw on television was unacceptable,". All it takes is a few people from press agencies that handle translation to misinterpret someone and it becomes global.

well look, aljazeera say it too ...

Aljazeera


I can link iranian.com too if you want lol ..

doubt it'll make a difference if i did ?, we're never going to agree .. you say its the media and wont be convinced otherwise, and i say Ahmadinejad said it and wont be convinced otherwise either, we agree to disagree .

must....resist...talking....about....mayan....predictions....

resistance is futile

I was just thinking that too. I don't know whether we will agree. I personally am suspicious of Aljazeera as well. They have offices in London and seem to do the Middle East nothing but harm. From Wikipedia: 'Al Jazeera has been criticized by many of its Muslim viewers for giving air time to Israeli officials. Some have accused Al Jazeera of being too pro-American or pro-Western in its coverage, and have mockingly taken to calling it "Al-Khinzeera," which means "The Pig."

Anyway, as you said, we probably won't see eye to eye on this, but you have got to admit it just doesn't make sense to make remarks like that, at a time like this.

sense and mad mullahs dont always go hand in hand.

OK. Whatever man. Check his profile at wikipedia. Not exactly a typical 'Mad Mullah'.

Anyway, seeing as we have hijacked this 2012 predictions thread I'm gonna leave it there. I see you are not one for turning.

Peace

you hijacked it with your ridiculous comments about media misrepresentations..the worlds press all conspiring together to make up some falsified account based on choice key phrases to fit their agendas.

get real

Here are some points that keep getting overlooked.

There are three terms Chrisitians associate with the 'End of the World'


---The End of Days---

In modern times, it is thought of as the 'End of the World'...but it really refers to the 'End of the World' as we know it. In other words, a change. A new chapter beigns as the old one ends.

-----Armageddon---

http://www.armageddononline.org/armageddondefinition.php

Armageddon
In Christian apocalyptic literature (the Book of Revelation), Armageddon or Har-Mageddon is the site of the final battle between the kings of the earth (incited by Satan) and the Christian God. The term is also used for the battle itself, or more broadly for an Apocalypse.

The word armageddon is derived from Mount (Har in Hebrew) Megiddo, the site of the Battle of Megiddo and other battles. Armageddon in Christianity is also anticipated as the final battle between the forces of good (Jesus and his angels) and the forces of evil (Satan and his demons) (see also Dualism). It is the time of final judgement for the wicked humans of earth and the salvation for the just and good humans of earth. It is known as the final purification of the Earth's sin.

"Armageddon" also refers to any great loss of life in battle etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Copyrights


But the battle of Armageddon has been fought a hundred times over, and Megiddo has been scaked, burnt, and rebuilt a hundred times. Only in modernt imes has the term been applied to the end of the planet.


----Apocalypse---

1. Any of a number of anonymous Jewish or Christian texts from around the second century b.c. to the second century a.d. containing prophetic or symbolic visions, especially of the imminent destruction of the world and the salvation of the righteous.

But also note:

2. A prophetic disclosure; a revelation.




http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apocalypse

I know I said I would leave it there, but hey .

It is well known that the majority of the mainstream media is owned by very few people and controlled by central press agencies. In any job in the world you do what your boss tells you or you are out. The bosses do what their bosses tell them and so on.

Also, mainstream media is big business, money = power.

This is why I prefer to get my info from independant and alternative news sources nowadays. I only check the mainstream for either light entertainment or to see what rubbish they are feeding the masses.

P.S: I never said they made anything up - they just twist and misrepresent - it's called spin. (which, by the way is admitted and for some reason accepted!!)

Calling for the destruction of Israel has been a source of propaganda and public support for nearby Arabic leaders in the Middle East for decades, particularly after the 1967 War. So why is everybody acting like some great horror has occurred when the Iranian President calls for Israel's destruction?

It's the neurotic modern-day evangelical sects that turned it into an annual panic-fest.

The original definitions of the terms, as I stated before, aren't nearly as foreboding as they would lead us to believe.

IF someone started messing with Israel, would the U.S. and other countries, allow it to continue?

1. Nothing affects the human psyche like fear, which is why it has been utilized since forever as a control mechanism by just about every culture that has ever existed.

2. Israel won't wait for permission to strike when threatened.

3. There is no evidence for the 6th Extinction in the foreseeable future aside from the statistical inevitability that a large meteor or comet will crash into the Earth.

Before you can hope to become a critic of prophecy and predictions, I want you to ask yourself these two questions. Ponder long and hard.

"Why does the world have to have a beginning?"

"Why does the world have to have an end?"

I'm interested in hearing your comments.

I wholeheartedly agree with your post.

Thanks. Love those Canadians.

"Why would Iran go bombing Israel? Why would anyone invite the wrath of the United States on themselves. Bombing Israel is signing the death warrant of your whole nation."

Iran has been at war with Israel for a long long time. Were just not told about it, too many Israeli combatants get killed, thats kept under wraps for the purpose of general moral. We only ever hear about the civilian deaths. Which is just propaganda.

There will always be predictions about when the world is going to end.. there has been tons of topics on this Yes so many haven't come true, but when that one does then we are ALL doomed.

i agree with you that no one should invite the wrath of the us, but lets think about these middle easterners are freaking idiots. they think suicide will get them a good place in "heaven" and that they will get unlimited virgins for their pleasure. if they believe that then they probably arent too bright. i say will kick their butts anyway

I dont believe in it.

redeye -

No one has said Iran has nuclear weapons.

They can have nuclear weapons within months since they have broken the UN/IAEA seals on their uranium enrichment facilities and have kicked investigators out.

About two months before this, the president publicly denounced france, a month after this, called for isreal to be 'wiped off the map'.

These are fact, and are not up for debate. However, their implications are.

Iran is a known state sponcer of terror. But then again, what country isn't? Any country who is opposed to another will call the opposing 'terrorists'.

The US military is already very widespread in countries in the Philipines, Iraq, Afganistan, and many others that are not played up in the media because it's not new news. It's sad to think that a country wouldn't do something for fear of the wrath of the US. We shouldn't really be the world police. Isreal has their own nuclear weapons, why shouldn't Iran? Well, they should, but the world must be careful.

Think of what the EU3 and America are doing to Iran right now. They are provoking them. What did we do to Germany after wwi? Alienated them, and left them with the tab for the war. This lead to world war ii - it gave hitler power by allowing him to pick a scapegoat (the jews) and have reason to begin invasion - it gave him ready and willing people to start with, to mold into what he wanted as long as they were promised basic anemities, and later on more power, and the chance to make Germany a great nation once again. After world war ii, we (the allies) aided germany in their economic troubles, and in rebuilding. Now Germany is one of our greatest allies.

To alienate and fear are precursors of war. The way to peace is not through threats and sanctions, but through treaties, understanding, and aid. We should not be asking what is Iran doing that we don't like, but what are they doing that we do? Connect with them on common ground, and then come to a consensus among other countries; not just the united states and Iran, nor the EU3 and Iran, nor the entire UN security council. Do you really think Iran would continue to almost unconditionally support lybian rebels when they have much greater friends, needs, and help?

Contrary to popular belief, Iran is a very well to do nation. Roughly 40% of their labor force is in services, which means that they are on top of economics. The only thing that's bad about their economy is that about 80% of their exports has something to do with oil. It's good for them now because they control about 20% of the entire world's oil supply, but when other energy sources are more prominent, then is when they will need the aid of the rest of the world. Their average lifespan is only 10 years shorter than the US, and the birth to death ratio has leveled to that of a cultured country.

What needs to be done is not to make it so that anyone who isn't on good terms with us is denied nuclear technology, but make it so we strengthen our relationships with those who posess nuclear technology, or at the very least stay out of the red. After all, we wanted India to sign a non-nuclear proliferation order, and they refused. Now the US, India, and China all have significant economic ties which are only growing.

I need to stop, this post is way too long.

LOL. That was long. That was a very informative post and I see your point.

The media frenzy still leads me to believe that they are compliant in maybe, provocation, as you mention happened with Germany after WWI.

You have given me things to think about, that I did not consider before.

Thanks.

nobody denies the 'spin' of media, that is something that is unfortunately a part of the way we have to live, but you have to recognize when spin stops and facts begin .. Ahmadinejad said what he did, theres no denying it . you can weave some pseudo false US/ world media fabric of misleading us all, but you know you are in reality.. in denial of the facts that you know are a stark reality and you are just applying your cover theme of the press misrepresenting everything to try to muddy the waters over this one incident in particular . What are these alternative news sources you speak of , link them please, i would like to read them .

whether ther is a End of The World or not, one thing i know ... SOMEONE will be here to find out ..................

Even the Iranians are saying the Apocalipse is coming... the "gret Iman Nadhi" is coming according to the Iranian Top Man....

Rahl: Check out my new blog (in my signature). Try some of the links on the right hand side. Some of these sites have links to tons of alternative news sources, as well as stories in the mainstream media. There is a definite emphasis on not regurgitating the 'official' line.

I mean - that's what its about. Real journalism should be investigative - not reporting what the government tells you as indisputable. The fact that the government is questioned so rarely, if at all, and the fact that no acceptable repercussions are felt when they are caught lying (i.e: WMD; Yellow cake; Downing St memo; torture; US use of Chemical weapons in Fallujah, etc...etc) should be proof enough that something is not right with this picture.

My list of links is very fluid at the moment, as I have just started this blog.

We didn't provoke Germany into anything. England, France, and mainly Republican Senators were the ones pushing for reparations due to the property and economical damage that both nations suffered. Wilson wanted to help rebuild Germany, as he said in the Fourteen Points. Unfortunately, the other allies wanted repayment for their troubles. It also didn't help that the Senate decided against entering the League of Nations and supporting the Treaty of Versailles.
In the Dawes/Young plans the US loaned money to Germany to help pay off the reparations, but when the Stock Market fell in 1929 the US could not loan them any more money.

Although I have my own views on the Iraq occupation, I'm not really worried about Iran.
RedEyeJedi, I do agree that the media is mostly about "shock value" and is more concerned about making a story than giving unbiased reports. They are, after all, businesses and simply trying to make the most money possible. Lesser known sources have little to gain form shock stories, and tend to report more truthfully.

The end of the world is always coming, and always has been coming. It seems a peculiar trait of humanity to conjure future horrors and destruction.

Look back through history and someone would always be looking for the signs of the end times, whether they were comets, exploding volcanoes, the fall of The Roman Empire, Napoleonic wars, the Black Plague and so on. More recently with two world wars and cold war nuclear armageddon was the favourite. Accompanied by the following natural disaster end world, Ice age (60s, 70s), exhaustion of the worlds resources (60s and 70s), global pandemics aids and avian flu, and of course todays favourite global warming.

On top of that we have the usual suspect in the Middle East, today it's Iran who might or might not get a bomb. Well we survived the USSR an inimical political construct that was armed to the teeth. Iran seems relatively small beer in comparison.

A better questions than will the world end...and our secret visceral but insane hope that we will be improbable enough to live in the "end times" is WHY we obsess about it so. What negative note plagues our brains?

maybe the earth needs us (humans) to be wiped out soon in order for the planet to survive . i think it could be a good thing really, lot of the human race are scumbags anyway so nature needs to hit that reset switch pretty soon.

sorry i was vague - most of the 'we' was meant to refer to the allied powers.

wow pretty harsh......