CaitSith
Aug 3 2006, 01:38 PM
I beleive in the ability power to assume an animal spirit to the extent that you actually project the animal over yourself, or even somewhere else, much like an OBE. It's actually part of my religion and I think the old root of the werewolf legend. There exist many stories of sorcerers and shaman transforming themselves or others into animal, including wolves.
~Onyx~
Aug 3 2006, 01:59 PM
QUOTE(Leviathan113 @ Aug 3 2006, 09:38 AM) [snapback]1293453[/snapback]
I beleive in the ability power to assume an animal spirit to the extent that you actually project the animal over yourself, or even somewhere else, much like an OBE. It's actually part of my religion and I think the old root of the werewolf legend. There exist many stories of sorcerers and shaman transforming themselves or others into animal, including wolves.
Yes, that is also the philosophy of Therianthropy, but to actually physically transform into a wolf, rat, boar, rabbit..etc.....that I have never seen...and I sincerely doubt is possible. The strain on the human body would be to much to bear.
CaitSith
Aug 3 2006, 02:05 PM
If it did happen, physically I mean, then i don't think it could happen over night. A tadpole turning into a frog would be a hell of a strain too all at once. I think it would take a long, long time. Probably longer than most anyone would spend their time to attempt. The depths of the human mind is less explored than the reaches of space.
~Onyx~
Aug 3 2006, 02:17 PM
QUOTE(Leviathan113 @ Aug 3 2006, 10:05 AM) [snapback]1293480[/snapback]
If it did happen, physically I mean, then i don't think it could happen over night. A tadpole turning into a frog would be a hell of a strain too all at once. I think it would take a long, long time. Probably longer than most anyone would spend their time to attempt. The depths of the human mind is less explored than the reaches of space.
I understand your point, and in keeping with that reasoning, would you not agree then that the "werewolves " of storybook fame(that transform with the rising of a full moon) do not exist?
CaitSith
Aug 3 2006, 02:24 PM
QUOTE(Onyxdk @ Aug 3 2006, 09:17 AM) [snapback]1293489[/snapback]
I understand your point, and in keeping with that reasoning, would you not agree then that the "werewolves " of storybook fame(that transform with the rising of a full moon) do not exist?
Of course not, but I beleive their are shamanic roots to this lore. Catholics twisting old native tribal beleifs of ancient Europe into monster stories. During the werewolf scares of the middle ages the church was held the world in an iron grip, stomping out the last sparks of the old folk beleifs of prior generation. Many pagan cerimonies took place in the light of the full moon and some shaman and sorcerers probably even doned wolfskins for these rites, maybe taking on a therianthropic state of wolfiness. Play chinese whisper with an eyewitness account of that and you have modern werewolfism
coldethyl
Aug 3 2006, 02:44 PM
QUOTE(swbf2 @ Aug 3 2006, 08:27 AM) [snapback]1293435[/snapback]
my cell phone just went off and it scared the **** out of me!!!!!!!!! i set an alarm for this time and it virbated against the wood on the table!!!!!!!!! im still shakeing
Tone down the caffeine.
QUOTE(Onyxdk @ Aug 3 2006, 08:59 AM) [snapback]1293475[/snapback]
Yes, that is also the philosophy of Therianthropy, but to actually physically transform into a wolf, rat, boar, rabbit..etc.....that I have never seen...and I sincerely doubt is possible. The strain on the human body would be to much to bear.
I agree. We aren't built to morph into other shapes.
~Onyx~
Aug 3 2006, 04:20 PM
QUOTE(Leviathan113 @ Aug 3 2006, 10:24 AM) [snapback]1293501[/snapback]
Of course not, but I beleive their are shamanic roots to this lore. Catholics twisting old native tribal beleifs of ancient Europe into monster stories. During the werewolf scares of the middle ages the church was held the world in an iron grip, stomping out the last sparks of the old folk beleifs of prior generation. Many pagan cerimonies took place in the light of the full moon and some shaman and sorcerers probably even doned wolfskins for these rites, maybe taking on a therianthropic state of wolfiness. Play chinese whisper with an eyewitness account of that and you have modern werewolfism
I agree completely.
Swbf2
Aug 3 2006, 10:58 PM
why is it when ever i post a thing that helps " "insert monster"is real"arugment in the thread i posted in, barley anybody pays attetuion to it, but when i say that this is fake or its not real, evreybody comments on that??????? and it was at 10:00 and i didnt hyave any caffiene ( only thing i had to eat was some ceral..........)
psyche101
Aug 4 2006, 12:30 AM
QUOTE(Leviathan113 @ Aug 4 2006, 12:24 AM) [snapback]1293501[/snapback]
Of course not, but I beleive their are shamanic roots to this lore. Catholics twisting old native tribal beleifs of ancient Europe into monster stories. During the werewolf scares of the middle ages the church was held the world in an iron grip, stomping out the last sparks of the old folk beleifs of prior generation. Many pagan cerimonies took place in the light of the full moon and some shaman and sorcerers probably even doned wolfskins for these rites, maybe taking on a therianthropic state of wolfiness. Play chinese whisper with an eyewitness account of that and you have modern werewolfism
Actually, many stories came out of Germany where murderers used the story to scare the wits out of superstitious people and let them free as opposed to the hanging they well deserved. Often people with good social stature woud try on such tales on as they had the influence to make the masses believe them. Check the other werewolf threads, links abound so I am not going to try and dig some up, but I am sure you will have no problem verifying this with a minimal Google. Not hard to see between all these sources how the legend sparked up is it.
Besides, Wolverine would slay any Werewolf I have ever read about or seen in a movie. Modern Wolfmen are bigger stronger faster!
CaitSith
Aug 4 2006, 01:29 PM
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Aug 3 2006, 07:30 PM) [snapback]1294262[/snapback]
Actually, many stories came out of Germany where murderers used the story to scare the wits out of superstitious people and let them free as opposed to the hanging they well deserved. Often people with good social stature woud try on such tales on as they had the influence to make the masses believe them. Check the other werewolf threads, links abound so I am not going to try and dig some up, but I am sure you will have no problem verifying this with a minimal Google. Not hard to see between all these sources how the legend sparked up is it.
Actually I've done a lot of research on this topic, a personal interest of mine. In most cases accused werewolves were punished much more harshly than regular murderers. The courts saw them as consorts of Satan, torturing even the innocent into confessing they were murderous werewolves. I think this could be present in the case of Peter Stumpf. Remember that the werewolf plague happened during the Inquisition Era, it seems evil was hiding around every corner in those dark days, people lived in everyday fear of the devil and his powers over the world of men. We had some crazy ancestors.
I think the case that made this conclusion would have been the case of Jean Grenier, he was a child at the time of his affliction, and considered mentally underdeveloped and dillusional, a true case of lycanthropy, not fear propaganda. Even in that dark time it was understood that mental illness leaves extenuating circumstances.
SG Wolf 222
Aug 19 2006, 03:45 PM
QUOTE(joc @ Jan 19 2006, 10:47 PM) [snapback]1028824[/snapback]
I love werewolves. Werewolves are cool. But I'm so torn because I love silver bullets too.
And werewolves loath silver bullets. What's a guy to do?
theres always platimum
SG Wolf 222
Aug 19 2006, 03:55 PM
QUOTE(swbf2 @ Aug 3 2006, 04:58 PM) [snapback]1294153[/snapback]
why is it when ever i post a thing that helps " "insert monster"is real"arugment in the thread i posted in, barley anybody pays attetuion to it, but when i say that this is fake or its not real, evreybody comments on that??????? and it was at 10:00 and i didnt hyave any caffiene ( only thing i had to eat was some ceral..........)
i know wat u mean some one puts a blog up for answers then pple turn a way from the point of the %%%%%%% blog and starts talking about somthing besides the point
w...t...f..... there has been so many other comments onthis blog that its not set to the point of it.he asked who likes lycan NOT who thinks there not real this is y pple cant get any info on lycans and other cryptozoology cuz of this.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Aug 19 2006, 04:19 PM
Lycans are fantasy. To talk about them like they are real kills credibility.
SG Wolf 222
Aug 27 2006, 12:12 AM
QUOTE(thecreeper @ Jul 31 2006, 07:59 AM) [snapback]1289335[/snapback]
this is a weird topic
yes this is wat happens wen a blog goes completly of topic sad i know creeper
SG Wolf 222
Aug 27 2006, 12:15 AM
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Aug 19 2006, 10:19 AM) [snapback]1314254[/snapback]
Lycans are fantasy. To talk about them like they are real kills credibility.
well if ur going to talk about somthing else do it on another blog that deals with u want to talk about
PS:how do u know there know real
aquatus1
Aug 27 2006, 12:52 AM
You...think this is a blog?
This is a public forum. Granted, it is (a little) off topic to comment about their existance, but then you are continuing the conversation with your PS. Don't complain if people respond.
jobot37
Aug 27 2006, 02:46 AM
You want me to talk about if I like them? Fine, I hate lycans and I hate kids who pretend they ARE lycans.
blog.........lol
CaitSith
Aug 27 2006, 10:43 PM
werewolves are cool, I don't like this Lycan term being used universally however, Lycans are the werewolves on Underworld, it's not a universal term and was never used before Underworld. I'm pretty sure its short for lycanthrope (obviously) which is actually someone suffereing a mental disease, not a werewolf.
I beleive in shapeshifters, but not Lycans as portrayed in Underworld, that sort of shapeshifting is not possible. Lycans are a new, fictional concept, werewolves are fictional and historical figures.
See the difference? I thought this thread was about werewolves not Lycans. This is like a thread about genetic mutation with people coming along and talking about the X-Men or Ninja Turtles!
SG Wolf 222
Apr 13 2007, 09:06 PM
QUOTE(Leviathan113 @ Aug 27 2006, 04:43 PM) [snapback]1324392[/snapback]
werewolves are cool, I don't like this Lycan term being used universally however, Lycans are the werewolves on Underworld, it's not a universal term and was never used before Underworld. I'm pretty sure its short for lycanthrope (obviously) which is actually someone suffereing a mental disease, not a werewolf.
I beleive in shapeshifters, but not Lycans as portrayed in Underworld, that sort of shapeshifting is not possible. Lycans are a new, fictional concept, werewolves are fictional and historical figures.
See the difference? I thought this thread was about werewolves not Lycans. This is like a thread about genetic mutation with people coming along and talking about the X-Men or Ninja Turtles!
actually Lycanthrope is a term used its even in the Dictionary and yes a mental case but it seems linked to as you like to call them WereWolves but who cares call them what ever you want as long as its related to it call them man/wolf hybirds,Lycans,Lycanthropes,WereWolves,etc.and lmao about the xmen and ninja turtles
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Apr 14 2007, 06:32 PM
QUOTE(SG Wolf 222 @ Aug 26 2006, 07:15 PM) [snapback]1323313[/snapback]
well if ur going to talk about somthing else do it on another blog that deals with u want to talk about
PS:how do u know there know real
Huh. Hard to understand your posts.
Urisk
Apr 14 2007, 07:08 PM
I love werewolves. The legend has some intriguing prospects, but the werewolf myth has been warped so much over the years and been stylised. Same with vampires. They are romaticised in popular media instead of being the ahorred monsters they should be. If werewolves and vampires did indeed exist, they'd be mighty ambarrassed by the amount of "White Wolf Games" style publicity they get.
And all this coming from an ex-avid RAGE CCG gamer.
SG Wolf 222
Apr 14 2007, 07:48 PM
Ya sorry about that ericraven. My spelling and grammar were bad then. I was going to fix that yesterday when i noticed my spelling sucked back then but i couldnt.Sorry about that
SG Wolf 222
Apr 14 2007, 07:53 PM
QUOTE(Roadkill Demon @ Apr 14 2007, 01:08 PM) [snapback]1628919[/snapback]
I love werewolves. The legend has some intriguing prospects, but the werewolf myth has been warped so much over the years and been stylised. Same with vampires. They are romaticised in popular media instead of being the ahorred monsters they should be. If werewolves and vampires did indeed exist, they'd be mighty ambarrassed by the amount of "White Wolf Games" style publicity they get.
And all this coming from an ex-avid RAGE CCG gamer.
Hmmm, what do you mean exacly. Id like to understand what you are saying a bit more.
Kyle Rajasthan
Apr 14 2007, 11:00 PM
Werewolves for the most part are just good stories. I do like them, story wise that is. Do I think they exist? Probably not, at least not the Hollywood version. Beast of Bray road type (manwolf, wolfen or cynocephali)? Maybe, at least that type is more probable. Would I like to be one? No. I am a monster enough as it is. However, I wouldn't mind trading bodies with my avatar. If I were "Wolfen" I wouldn't mind that. Big and powerfull with lots of athletic prowess, and enhanced senses to boot. Not a bad deal, especially if my new body, came with a boosted immune system, and the ability to rapidly heal. Long life, plenty of time to explore all my interests to the fullest. Plus I would still retain my intelligence, and could still do all the ordinary things that make life interesting. Only now, I could do it with more style. If I could keep people from taking pot shots at me anyway. That, is the one down side of this little fantasy, well except for my new lovely speaking voice. I wonder what it would sound like?
Good Journey.
Kyle Rajasthan.
Urisk
Apr 15 2007, 12:36 AM
QUOTE(SG Wolf 222 @ Apr 14 2007, 08:53 PM) [snapback]1628970[/snapback]
Hmmm, what do you mean exacly. Id like to understand what you are saying a bit more.
What do you mean? Thought it made sense... apart from the shoddy spelling. Werewolf legends, ever since modern movies and most especially role-play games like Werewolf: The Apocalypse, and the Collectable Card Game offshoot, Rage (both by "White Wolf" games) have been changed and romanticised to make them seem "cool", instead of "scary". So nowadays, people are more likely to say "whoa liek woa werewolvors are liek teh uberest coolestest liek evaar!!" instead of the stories instilling fear, which is what they should do. The horror has been taken away with MTV stylistics and uber cool-age. Which I think is kind of wrong. But I still loves the werewolves.
SG Wolf 222
Apr 16 2007, 02:04 AM
i get what your saying.but thats a matter of opinion.some people may thing there scary as heck, while some thing there a interesting thing or some thing there cool.its all matter of opinion
Urisk
Apr 16 2007, 02:56 PM
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Aug 4 2006, 01:30 AM) [snapback]1294262[/snapback]
Actually, many stories came out of Germany where murderers used the story to scare the wits out of superstitious people and let them free as opposed to the hanging they well deserved. Often people with good social stature woud try on such tales on as they had the influence to make the masses believe them. Check the other werewolf threads, links abound so I am not going to try and dig some up, but I am sure you will have no problem verifying this with a minimal Google. Not hard to see between all these sources how the legend sparked up is it.
Besides, Wolverine would slay any Werewolf I have ever read about or seen in a movie. Modern Wolfmen are bigger stronger faster!
I thought the legend of the werewolf would have come from ancient British vicitms of the infamous Viking invasions? The Ulfheonar were essentially like Beserkers, but wore wolf pelts (and the face over their heads like a mask) instead of bear pelts. They would eat mushrooms or some other halucinogenic before battle and slip into a rage-like trance. If I'm correct, the Ulfheonar would also act as scouts; a local seeing this man in a wolf pelt, slinking about in the woods, half obscured by foliage, would be more than forgiven for thinking he was looking at an anthropomorphic wolf! I think there were also legends featured in Roman mythology too, one in particular being a shepherd tending to his flock on night when a wolf attacked and killed several sheep. He fired an arrow (or threw a spear) at the wolf, which was struck in the throat. The next day he visited a friend and found him in his bed, suffering from a horrific would on his neck.
Think I read this all in an article in Fortean Times once. Wonder if I've still got the issue...
psyche101
Apr 17 2007, 05:28 AM
QUOTE(Roadkill Demon @ Apr 17 2007, 12:56 AM) [snapback]1631476[/snapback]
I thought the legend of the werewolf would have come from ancient British vicitms of the infamous Viking invasions? The Ulfheonar were essentially like Beserkers, but wore wolf pelts (and the face over their heads like a mask) instead of bear pelts. They would eat mushrooms or some other halucinogenic before battle and slip into a rage-like trance. If I'm correct, the Ulfheonar would also act as scouts; a local seeing this man in a wolf pelt, slinking about in the woods, half obscured by foliage, would be more than forgiven for thinking he was looking at an anthropomorphic wolf! I think there were also legends featured in Roman mythology too, one in particular being a shepherd tending to his flock on night when a wolf attacked and killed several sheep. He fired an arrow (or threw a spear) at the wolf, which was struck in the throat. The next day he visited a friend and found him in his bed, suffering from a horrific would on his neck.
Think I read this all in an article in Fortean Times once. Wonder if I've still got the issue...
No doubt my friend. As the Werewolf advocates in here keep saying, the legend is widespread and varied. No doubt this is the stories "convergent evolution" which has propgated belief amongst the easily lead. I have no doubt the instances you mention lead to one of several legends. This is why I stated
Many tales ROFL, one has to keep on one's gramatical toes in this forum

The German legend I was refering to was the story of Romanista, The Werewolf of Allariz as it has been romantically described. There have been other cases from Germany's history as well. From memory I remember reading up on about 4 German cases.
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