I just want to point out something...we have 4 pages of thread in which no one has actually gotten out a bible and quoted something out of it. Everything on here is opinion..there will be three anti-christs my freaking foot.... here is some of the cast of revelation

1 John-he is the guy the prophesy is being given
1 you-for it says that he who studies this book will be blessed-the only book in the bible which promises that btw.
1 antichrist-seemingly thrust into power-seemingly humble--refered to as the beast. Rev 13:1
1 false prophet-refered to as a lamb with horns that speaks like a dragon or serpent
144,000 jewish converts
4 horsemen
a handful of angels with trumpets,seals and bowls-which in fact are filled with plagues and the such
seals-1) Rev 6:1-2 White horse- this is refering to a peace covenant or treaty.
a divine waiting room filled with souls waiting for the 1000 years of peace.

what there must be in order for that person to be the antichrist-
1 peace treaty between two feuding countries in what we now call the "holy lands"
1 rebuilding of a temple rev 13:6 and several other references
1 death and resurrection Rev 13:3
1 one world religion and government rev 13:6-8
1 declaration to be God Rev 13:6
and a whole lot of crazy stuff that we can't even begin to comprehend

You cannot predict the ending of days according to the bible, because it says quite frankly that no one will know the date and time.
most likely you will not know the identity of the antichrist until it is too late because he will be loved, admired and will slip into power almost unnoticed. Revelation 13:4
BUT i can tell you this much....it is not Bush, osama bin laden, or anyone else that is currently in power...why you ask????????
which will be within the area that the Roman Empire once controlled. Meanin Britain, France, Spain, Italy, Germany, Greece, Turkey, Syria, Egypt, Iraq or Iran.Revelation 13:1

see can't be bush because he is not from there he is from texas and can't be osama because no one likes him and he is in hiding not in power.

READ THIS. and there are classes on this subject. seriously.
Revelation is very symbolic but this is the discription of the antichrist himself.



As you can see there are a whole lot of requirements of this guy. We don't know him yet. No one is in complete reverie with any political power right now. The time period we are in may be a set up to the end of days but isn't quite upon us. Just because someone does one thing on this list doesn't make him the antichrist. besides bush choked on a pretzel he didn't hit his head.

I think it's Bin Laden who is the anti-christ. I have the explaination in my head. But it might come out weird.

I don't know what Napoleonic did anything truely threaten. During his reign.

Hiter tried to what take over the world? He was a treat? And he tried to take over England & such.

Samething with Bin Laden but he's trying to destory the west.

So I think he's the anti-christ because he's a treat. The anti-christ is suppose to be a threat.

I hope that came out right.

It seems that you are mixing MAN OF SIN from (2 Thessalonians 2:3) with antichristes! But I glad to see that that you are calling the AntiChrist as TRUE. I would say ANTICHRIST is truthful person!

I'm geniune AntiChrist!!!

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!

good point im gonna read the whole bible sometime lol, but i guess what you are saying is that there will be a person who will seemingly preform miracles and become well know in the world, people will follow this person thinking he's the second Christ coming back or something possibly, but it will turn out that he's really evil?

i was thinking, what if satan like God sent his son to earth to cause as much damage as possible?

i wonder if im even on the same page lol

umm shouldnt it be 616? or was that just a lie?

As ravergirl states, there are indeed numerous requirements that the anti-christ must fulfill. Equally however, there were numerous requirements in the Old Testament in which the christ was too fulfill. The Jews failed to recognize Jesus as the christ, so what makes you think any of you will be able to recognize the anti-christ?

Besides, wasn't Nostradamus a Jewish mystic? Why would he be predicted anything about an anti-christ if he never even got the christ right?

This is your peoples tale...I am just asking questions.

All hail Eris!

616 was found on damaged by time scriptures! 666 is correct number!


AntiChrsit unlike Christ never required to be recognized!


Source of Nostradamus' words causes doubts!

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!

the antichrist is the brother of a world leader.
he is a military leader that wears a blue turbin.
when his brother is "thrown down" he will take power and get revenge on the agressor that threw his brother down.

the antichrist in the bible and the antichrist that nostrodamus spoke of are 2 different people.
this should not be confused.
yes i have read the bible cover to cover.
an older king james, the antichrist as it is printed in newer versions of the king james was originaly refered to as the great deciever, not antichrist.
in order for the graet deciever to take power he will have to convince the world that he is the second coming of christ.
water to wine, healing the sick, blah blah blah.
anyone claiming to be christ, and is backing it up with "miracles" i would really question.
he supposed to be in legue with the beast, the beast is not a person, its an orginization, a system and those that run it.
its the beast that is to be thrown down, and lay dead before the world for 3 days.
read up, dont get it confused. the mians spoke of the same things. as well as the hopi.

Bible say almost nothing about nature of AntiChrist! Many people are mixing AntiChrist with MAN OF SIN!!! They are perfectly different persons! I don't like when people associate AntiChrist with Devil. That's wrong thoughts.

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!

my problem is i dont believe in the devil. ( to many writings misconstrued by "orginizations" )
i dont believe in jesus christ. ( not enough historical evidence to back it up )
i do believe in creator ( god, whatever you want to call it )
i do believe that many writings on the subject have survived the tribulation of time and government. ( despite constantines efforts, who by the way was the last cesar and the first pope, does this smak of the mighty roman empire still existing )

far to many bits of information have crossed my path to accept things blindly ( jesus christ )
if you can find it ( or it finds you more likely ) read the keys of enoch.
the only person in the bible that does not have a year of death.
it is said the he ascended into heaven, he left behind writings that are far more in depth on all the topics discussed here.
i dont know if it has made it into publication yet, but one of the things that says to me that this book has a lot of "truth" in it, the topic of quantum physics ( not just mention, but in depth examination of what and how, math included ) and the use of theories of quantum physics will open our eyes to the true nature of the universe. ( dark matter, dark energy, zpe )
it came across my path 20 years ago, and in recent years ( the past 5 ) topics that i read about then, are considered "new" theories now.


i guess its all a matter of perspective.

THE antichrist. and AN antichrist are totally different things otherwise Marylin Manson would be that guy and he has been in "power" an awfully long time and done nothing with it...anyway.

Reading the bible cover to cover is fantastic. I havent been able to do that yet because well because I am studying points of it instead of reading it through and tossing it in the already been read pile. I guess i want to understand it or something.

In order to talk about the antichrist you need to be seeking info or have a studied source because it is a complicated thing to talk about. It is scary to think one guy can fool so many people.

How very sad I am for you. Like is there anything you believe in at all?

C'mon, think about it. Mabus is actually Ma Bush. I haven't figured out yet though if it is Babs, Laura or maybe we will be subjected to this families leadership again in the future and it will be Jeb's wife. Maybe Laura will be president down the road and it will be her.

uh. look at it again.

just because i dont believe in christ does not not mean that i dont believe in god ( creator, jehova, budah, mohammed blah blah blah )

if you read what i wrote. i do believe in creator, but not as an orginization would have me understand it.
i have been to many bible studies and have always been asked to leave because i keep punching holes in what they are trying to teach.
i bring the whole story of what they are quoting into context as to what the story is actualy trying to convey.
its easy to miss something in what we read, as you have proved.

im not taking shots at you here.

i am just pointing out that you missed what i do believe.

when two or more of you gather in my name, i will be there.

whats the need for organized religion?

Then what do you do on this forum?


Bible is book of delusions and misleads!


Antichrist is enemy of Christ but he is not enemy for good people!

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!

it means FOREBEARS, wearers of furs , as in skin walker .....
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6+6+6=18 pluse 30 =48 and the 3 rd.. god was 1 christ was 11 ... who is 111

WTF? am i the only one that has no idea what that means?

No Dude. Count me in too.

Weel no point in hiding anymore.
It's me after the effects of 2012 I'll take controle of the world and rule it with an iron fist.
Forged in blood and tears a new eden will be born.
Where everybody will bring offers of Ben & Jerry's and KFC to honor my glory.

Who did say you about 2012?

Nothing will be happened at 2012!!!

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!

Yeah. another nutcase antichrist website!

Not a nutcase but site of anti-satanist!

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!

he will be 48 years old and god was the frist . christ was the secound , he is not what you have been told ... the chruch has its own ideas and they are self sevreing . they do not serve god or christ ! and this is why the anti christ is comeing . he dose not serve any one . God dose not control him .. he respects God as his creator only ... yet he is part of all 3 .. God has created him from his own touch and he sees him self as the true elder brother of christ yet , a dirrect creation of the creator . a secound son . yet born of this earth but lives a secound life beyond that he was given at brith , by the will of god . created by god ...thus he is a creation of God ,and God has given him life , thus he is the secound son of God , not the same as christ , yet brothers of a common father ...

...christ's dieing request to his father . was to forgive the human race . god will not brake his word . that is why he has created the secound son ...!this godling dose not answer to the word of God . he has been created unto him self ...

he dose not have to keep the word of god ...your human race has killed his younger brother and i would not want to be in your shoes ...many parts of this are miss translated . it should have read "I am not christ"

the next thing is ,, .....who is he ...?

we know he will be 48 some time soon before the year of 2012...we know he is a skinwalker...or a shapeshifter or a shaman of some kind , he could be all 3 .....we also know if this s true , he most likely will come from a family of 7 childern and it will most likely have 5 sons because the strongest shape shifters come from these older family bloodline..

we can asume he can talk well to others , but dose this mean he can spell as well ...

this could all be made up by the chruch to make people have a reason to hold to their faith and help the chruch show a profit .....lol


if i was the Anti christ i would wipe about 6.35 million people off the face off the earth ,maybe even inclueing my self...i dont think i would want to be here after .. it would not be a very nice place to live for a long long long time ....and think of this the human race would have no one to blame other then them self....

how sad would that be , they could have gotten to know him and could have changed the out come yet their own greed drove him to do what he will ...
what could mankind learn from this preson .. could the legends be wrong and only the chruch destroyed the truth for their own good and not th will of the people ..

could they have destroyed the words of christ ...?

if i were them and the anti christ was comeing .. i would start praying a lot more then i am now ...lol

the chruch shoulds bow and pray ,they can not defend them self from his rath , they can not lie their way around him ....

there will be only one faith and it will be in the hearts and souls of all men ... your inner being will be your templer and it will be up to you to clean it and do your own up keeping and building and developemnet of your being and sense ...

it will not be them or you ,it will be us and we as the images of god are reflected in all mankind .. can we under stand what we are and how we should see this reflection we share with those around us ...

is mankind ready ...?or will he sense the greed and lies and destroy a vast part of the human race and hope you can learn from this act for your selfs ...

Who did say you that AntiChrist should initiate a total wars? AntiChrist is opposition of Christ. Christ through Revelation wants initiate a total destruction of Earth but AntiChrist will stop this foolishness and will initiate PEACE for the Earth.

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!

IMHO thats only what you have been told by most translation and they are only done by a religion that has lie to the people as well as hiden the true words of christ ..

"AntiChrist is opposition of Christ" where did you get this idea .. it most like is what the chruch wants you to think ...

just because the anti christ means he is not christ , this dose not mean he dose not beleive in what christ beleives .this is total BS from a religion trying to control the fredom of the sheep ..if all the sheep are free, they can not line their pockets ,,their lies have become their religion........they have forced their religion apone the people and will face the rath for their actions ...you are most likely right there will be peace on earth .it will not be free , it ill come at a cost ..they will be held acountable for what they have done ...


ho there will be destruction ...and there will be peace . but can the human race under stand who they are before it is to late ...?

No. but can you tell us what the human race is actually?

the human race at times convences me there maybe some worth saveing , when i hear people like you ...

frist you are very right yet very wrong at the same time . what makes you beleive the beats and the human are not one and the same ...a skinwalker ,shapeshifter ,or shaman often seen as both a beast within a human ...

" who claims to be a follower of a christian religion"
i think that would depend on the translation of this statement .." claims ". he is and that will be known as a fact ...a "follower " LOL you got to be jokeing ...right ...

of christ maybe not , religon . christ was much more then a religion . he was a reality of God yet him self . put apone the earth to show mankind what they could be if they were willing to look within them selfs . he was not here to teach what you should become . he was here to help you see who you are ...it was your choice to look inside of your self and chose to see what and who you are ..he was sent to make you sheep ...

he was the keeper of his own temple within him a faith in your inner being to reflect the image of God him self ... you are the looking glass of fate ...this preson is not of any religion as mankind knows religions .his will and being make him supernatural..he dose not keep his faith in his pockets .. his temple lives and grows within his being and his being knows no profits ,for he is the holder of wisdom and he is the keeper of shadows ....he fears not the light or the darkness ,,,he fears nothing for the creator him self created him and all creation must answer to his call ...or vanish apone the winds of destruction or fade into the sands of time ...

then again thats just my opioion .. what you beleive is up to you ...

For all apologets of Christ
Luke 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.
Acts 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

This places shows us that Christ iniherited the hell but not a paradise after death!
It means that he even on a Cross said lies to person who tormented together with Him.

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!

I suggest ig the discussion is more religious, the Mods should move it to the spirituality and religion forum.

we are part of the genetic image of God . and yet we lack the condition of self stablization , our developement as a speice has stalled because of the nature of the cultures we have build around us . we have failed to develope within... i can not tell you what you are only you can deside what you will be and why and your fate is only yours .. the creator has given us the tools and it is up to us to under stand them and put them to use ...
we can not exspect the creator to hand feed us for the rest of inifintiy ... he would not have wanted that .. we are made in his image but can we fully under stand the value of this gift ...?

genetic format vs environmental conditioning
the human race IMHO is a lost child . you have the genetic code to be Godlings , yet you fail to under stand the true wisdom is hiden within you all ...

dont let anyone tell you what you are . look for our self be what you feel you are inside ... only you have the right to guide your path . as childern grow up they reach a age where they must stand on their own and as they reach the time they wish to grow beyond the family they have always known and start one of their own they each reach out to under stand those things they do not . here is where the hunman race is wondering if its time to leave the home they have become so safe within ... the safeity you want is within you and let your heart and being guide you .. your temple is within you ..

these are just my opioions ..my under standing . what you beleive is up to you . i am not a guide or a teacher and i am not a leader of flower ...i am just me . william the commoner

the creater has many faces , call him what you wish .. they are all mask of the game ... and we are his childern ....

what makes you think the anti christ is a evil being , what the chruch has told you . dont beleive everything you hear ..... judge the facts and evidence by their actions not what a religion wants you to know or beleive ...

what happened to Nostradamus and his boy, Mabus?

personally i think that while a lot of nostradamus' propchecies and what not are interesting, the fact that they have only been matched up to events after the fact is somewhat dissapointing. Id love to see something like this:

<Prophet> "Tonight im gonna make me cheese sandwich and then later Im gonna eat it."


<Prophet before going to bed> " That Chese sandwich sure was good. I am satisfied and a little gassy. good night." and he goes to bed.

Simple straightforward and we can watch as it happens in real time!

humans ... .. you lable then you hold those lables over others heads like you are without sin ... 6.35 million people will die ... where they are from has nothing to do with it what so ever . the color of there skin has nothing to do withit .....indain or jew black or white has nothing to do with it ...

life after will be worse then the death .....

genetics will pick and choose who lives and who dies ...

humas will be the new race ,whats left of them ...

Okay has anyone considered that Mabus..........maybe Obama?

Obama is pretty well liked by a lot of people, his father was/is connected to the Muslim faith.
And if you change the "u" to an "o" and rearrange the letters you get "Obamas".
I thought of this one night when I was trying to decide who to vote for.
For some reason it just clicked in my head.
Oh yeah doesn't it say somewhere, something about Mabus and a blue turbin??
Well maybe Nosterdamus meant hat. Then I thought well Obama is a democrat. So when he through his hat in to the presidental race...........symbollicly it would be a blue hat.

Hey it's just a thought I had late one night. But just in case........ I'm voting the other guy.

You're not the first to have that thought. I noticed what a slick public speaker he is -- that is reason NOT to vote for him right there, sounds too much like someone who desperately wants you to believe the lies -- and did a little research. It is all over the web, and one of the guests on C2C mentioned it too. Although this discussion is fun, it is kinda moot, since many people shouldn't need an extra reason NOT to vote for a psycho-liberal anywhere. When somebody is further left than a Clinton, you know they are out there. LOL.

I believe that jesus inherited the hell but not paradise and therefore spake lie on the cross! Paradies doesn't exist since Adam's fall. Jesus had no possibility to enter paradise!

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!

Nickols...i have seen the book you linked to the 666 in many of your posts or almost all of your posts. Of course its a link to a book - a book written by one Nickols Krushev, which turns out to be no one but you.
This is an ancient civilization and alternativ e history forum. Your posts are more towards spirtuality and Religion Themes.
I dont understand what exactly are you trying to gain by posting Some Antichrist stuff and about salvation all coupled with a link to your book in an ancient mysteries and alternative history forum???

I'm here because the name of thread is Mabus, the antichrist!

Good luck!

Moved to a more appropriate forum.

so let me ask you a question sir anti christ ,

"and there well be 7 bowls that will pore out over the land .the 7 cibola sites ....and there well be 7 seals ,the saven caves of chicomoztoc . the 7th cave of chicomoztoc is still sealed .you do not have to beleive me , they do not have to grant me the permits .i can brake the 7th seal any time i wish and what you beleive or they beleive will not stop the Revelation .....

what are you going to say when the real beast is standing infront of you ,asking you why you are pretending to me him ...?

how about i wipe 6.5 million people off the face of the earth and then see if any of you want to pretend to be the beast ...should that be millions or billions, i get confused some times just how many worthless humans are on this rock ...

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Montezuma(mythology)
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Montezuma was the name of a heroic-god in the mythology of certain Amerindian tribes of the Southwest United States, notably the Tohono O'odham and Pueblo peoples — not to be confused with the two historical Aztec Emperors of the same name in Mexico, Moctezuma I and Moctezuma II.

In the Tohono O'odham legend, at the beginning of time the Great Spirit finds clay by digging a hole; he then drops the clay into the hole again and out comes Montezuma, who assists him in bringing out all the Indian tribes, with the Apache last of all. It is said that all men and animals were speaking a common language in the early days; however a great flood destroyed everyone, with only Montezuma and his friend, Coyote, escaping. Because Coyote had warned him of the flood beforehand, Montezuma had fashioned a boat that he kept prepared on the peak of the Santa Rosa Mountains in Arizona. Coyote likewise made a boat for himself, by gnawing down a giant cane and stopping it with gum.

After the flood had subsided, Montezuma and Coyote meet again atop Monte Rosa, and Montezuma sends Coyote out four times, once in each direction, to find out how far the sea is. He quickly returned from the south and the west, reporting that it was nearby. The journey east took a bit longer, but eventually he found the sea there also. Finally, he journeys northward and never finds water before growing tired.

Meanwhile, the Great Spirit, helped by Montezuma, has again repopulated the world with people and animals. Montezuma is entrusted with the governance of mankind, but becoming proud and wicked, he rebels against the Great Spirit, dismisses Coyote, and commands mankind to build a house tall enough to reach Heaven. Before he can succeed at this endeavour, the Great Spirit casts it down with thunderbolts, causing a confusion in the languages of mankind.

Persisting in his wickedness, Montezuma commands all the temples be destroyed; in response, the Great Spirit punishes him by sending a locust to the east to summon the Spanish, who make war on Montezuma and destroy him.

This legend was related by chief Con Quien of the Tohono O'odham and published in the Indian Affairs Report of 1865, p. 131.

In 1694, natives told Jesuit Father Eusebio Francisco Kino that Montezuma built these cliff dwellings, now preserved as Montezuma Castle National Monument.Bancroft, writing later in the 19th century (Native Races vol 3), speculates that the name of the historical Aztec Emperors Moctezuma (more properly Motecuhzoma in Nahuatl) was the ultimate origin of the mythical hero-god's name — the name being "gradually associated in the minds of some of the New Mexican and neighboring tribes, with a vague, mythical, and departed grandeur", until "all the lesser heroes would be gradually absorbed in the greater, and their names forgotten. Their deeds would become his deeds, their fame his fame."

However, other references among the Arizona and New Mexico tribes indicate a belief in "Montezuma" as having been the name of a great king and law-giver of the remote past, who ruled over a vast empire including Mexico, and who is said to be buried inside a particular mountain in Arizona that allegedly bears his image.

Montezuma also figures prominently in the religion of the Pueblo Indians, who held that their god-king Montezuma was variously from Taos, Acoma, or one of the other pueblos, and was conceived from a beautiful virgin and a pinyon pine nut. Although weak as a youth, he was chosen to be their unlikely leader, and surprised everyone with his miracles, including the ability to produce rain. He taught the people their customs, and how to build the adobe pueblos. One day he kindled a fire that they were never to allow to burn out, then departed for Mexico (in some versions, on the back of an eagle), promising to return some day and save them from the Spanish.

U.S. Attorney W.W.H. Davis, who visited the Laguna Pueblo in 1855, was allowed a rare glimpse at some sort of idol or icon of their god Montezuma, whereof he gave a vivid description in his book El Gringo. According to Davis, this object was round, nine inches tall and in diameter, and made of tanned skin. The cover was painted half red and half green, and on the green side were triangular holes for eyes, round pieces of leather for the mouth and ears, and no nose. He said it was kept wrapped in cloth, and was sprinkled with a 'white powder'.

The Swiss-American ethnographer Adolph Bandelier asserted in the 1890s that these legends had been invented by the Pueblos fifty years earlier solely to impress American explorers, and were not really part of their religion; he cited a document purporting to be a secret plot to 'teach' the natives that they were the descendants of Emperor Montezuma for political purposes, during the Mexican-American War. However, other documents have since come to light showing that the Spanish too were quite aware of Montezuma's renown in the Pueblo region long before then — the earliest such recorded reference dating to 1694, when the natives told Jesuit Father Eusebio Francisco Kino that Montezuma had built what is still today known as Montezuma's Castle (Wilson 1999, p.16).

Finally, Llewellyn Harris, a Welsh-American Mormon missionary who visited the Zuni in 1878, claimed that they told him they were descended from Montezuma, who was himself descended from white men called "Cambaraga" who came from over the sea 300 years before the Spanish, and that they still had many Welsh words in their language (see Madoc for many more tales along this theme). However, these much more sensational claims have never been independently verified.


Montezuma also figures prominently in the religion of the Pueblo Indians, who held that their god-king Montezuma was variously from Taos, Acoma, or one of the other pueblos, and was conceived from a beautiful virgin and a pinyon pine nut. Although weak as a youth, he was chosen to be their unlikely leader, and surprised everyone with his miracles, including the ability to produce rain. He taught the people their customs, and how to build the adobe pueblos. One day he kindled a fire that they were never to allow to burn out, then departed for Mexico (in some versions, on the back of an eagle), promising to return some day and save them from the Spanish.

U.S. Attorney W.W.H. Davis, who visited the Laguna Pueblo in 1855, was allowed a rare glimpse at some sort of idol or icon of their god Montezuma, whereof he gave a vivid description in his book El Gringo. According to Davis, this object was round, nine inches tall and in diameter, and made of tanned skin. The cover was painted half red and half green, and on the green side were triangular holes for eyes, round pieces of leather for the mouth and ears, and no nose. He said it was kept wrapped in cloth, and was sprinkled with a 'white powder'.

The Swiss-American ethnographer Adolph Bandelier asserted in the 1890s that these legends had been invented by the Pueblos fifty years earlier solely to impress American explorers, and were not really part of their religion; he cited a document purporting to be a secret plot to 'teach' the natives that they were the descendants of Emperor Montezuma for political purposes, during the Mexican-American War. However, other documents have since come to light showing that the Spanish too were quite aware of Montezuma's renown in the Pueblo region long before then — the earliest such recorded reference dating to 1694, when the natives told Jesuit Father Eusebio Francisco Kino that Montezuma had built what is still today known as Montezuma's Castle (Wilson 1999, p.16).

Finally, Llewellyn Harris, a Welsh-American Mormon missionary who visited the Zuni in 1878, claimed that they told him they were descended from Montezuma, who was himself descended from white men called "Cambaraga" who came from over the sea 300 years before the Spanish, and that they still had many Welsh words in their language (see Madoc for many more tales along this theme). However, these much more sensational claims have never been independently verified.




this is the statement i was refering to ...
:However, other references among the Arizona and New Mexico tribes indicate a belief in "Montezuma" as having been the name of a great king and law-giver of the remote past, who ruled over a vast empire including Mexico, and who is said to be buried inside a particular mountain in Arizona that allegedly bears his image."

there is something you should know

it is IMHO my under standing of the events that took place ,that the vatcan was despanding the templar for a very hidden reason ... they had try to delite and record of native savages (or beast) be related to god fearing people of their chruch and religion . mainly trying to delite any dirrect link to the bible and book of Revelation

"and there well be 7 bowls that will pore out over the land .the 7 cibola sites ....and there well be 7 seals ,the saven caves of chicomoztoc . the 7th cave of chicomoztoc is still sealed .you do not have to beleive me , they do not have to grant me the permits .i can brake the 7th seal any time i wish and what you beleive or they beleive will not stop the Revelation .....

the bowl have been found and they are poreing out they have been made public .......the Ray dillman wax stamp was the seal of the templar that sealed the scoll of life . IMHO it is a record of bloodlines dateing back into the native american tribes ...this is what i beleive the chruch was tying to cover up ...when the templar found the scolls on the temple mont , the chruch want to destroy them and the templar woud not let them ....

can i prove this . i have no idea yet .. but if i brake the seal you will know with out a dout ...if i am right or wrong ......if the human race wants me to open the 7th seal . just say so . if you dont beleive thats ok .. i have a hard time beleiveing it as well ...

see there is a logical reason why i know what i know.....no this is not a joke ...7 bowls (bola) ,7 houses (caves ) 7 seals...

go ahead ,call me names tell me how much you know and what i dont know .. give me a reason to open the 7th seal ....i dis like the human race to start with .

say whats on your mind why you still can....

...you could cause 6.35 billion people to vanish ... what do you have to say now ...


welcome to Revelations ....

you are 100% right.....LOL , i am not a angel , i am the witch of tazz ,william the commoner, the secound son of the creator..!

christ was the son of God . i am the son of the creator him self ...

I have no relation to 7 seals of Revelation. Furthermore, Revelation says about 7 seals very unclearly and symbolically. AntiChrist is not false-prophet and not an angel of Revelation's seals!

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!

I just put my quote in to refresh my and your memories onthe islamic perspective of the anti-christ.




what i find interesting in this post and i have seen this for myself. In older king james version the anti-christ is not called by that name, but the Great Deceiver. What i find interesting is the fact that, in Islam, the anti-christ has always been called Dajjal, this is an arabic word, which means the Lier, or the deceiver. This shows that there was once maybe a common idea about him in christianity and Islam, and in christianity his name changed overtime, as newer revised version of the bible came out, often leaving whole chunks out from the previous versions. In Islam however, he is always known as this and there are very vivid descriptions of him. We are also told in Islam, that the dajjal has always been warned about, to all previous nations and prophets. His coming has been told for many a century now.

what is really interesting in Islam, is this notion that he is actually already present in the world, this was aknowledged by the prophet of Islam during his lifetime. People have seen him, spoken to him and been in his presence, but he is not yet free to have his rule of deception, the ultimate test for mankind. However, the signs suggest his time is close.

i am sorry you dont know i have requested a legal treasure trove permit for these sites .and at this piont in time no one can clam these sites till my request is answerd , that is a legal bineing contract with the NFS...yes i could have full legal control of the scoll and have some say in what happends to it and where it is kept .. here could be one of the rarest religous items ever known and it could be kept here in the USA ...i wish i could see the face of the pope when here hears that one ,.....lol

Which relationship of Islam with Christ?

Islam has a big connection with all the biblical prophets, and we too are aware of the anti-christ and jesus's second coming. The signs in islamic prophecies show, thats its closer than we think.

AntiChrist is not evil. Second coming of Christ will be happened not soon. Religion of AntiChrist will be dominant religion of the world and most probably second coming of Christ will not be necessary!

That speaks AntiChrist, who was born to be free! Who was born under sign 666!!!