Hey what do you guy's and gals reckon about the theory in 'The Davinci Code'. Do you think there really was a priory of sion and that Jesus was Mortal?

For the former, no in my opinion. The Priory of Sion has no evidence and is thought to be a 20th century invention.

if their was a jesus, he was mortal.
as for whether he had a kid, aren't mortal people allowed to have sex and consequently children?

i find it possible that he was married with children, but the da vinci code is no book to learn history from. even that plantard guy that was supposed to be the grandmaster of the priory said it was bunk.

The Da Vinci Code is not the best book to learn about religion from..its biased

Ummm... even if you look at things from a biblical perspective, Jesus was mortal. He died, didn't he? That was kind of his whole point.

Personally, I think it is quite possible that Jesus & Mary M. were married - but not because of The Da Vinci code (which was a very good novel, but just that)

Good grief! Where did any of you people ever hear anything about Jesus apart from the Bible? Is there anything in the Bible that would lead any of you to believe he was married and had a kid?

Well no...but is there anything in 'Mein Kampf'about Hitler being part Jewish?

i believe he was atleast married because he had a beard (in jewish society you arn't allowed to have a beard until you marry), weather he had a kid or not is impossible to tell

And what proof is there that he had a beard? He was thought to most likely be clean-shaven actually.

well all paintings/images of jesus and even the shroud of tourin(sp?) has him with a beard (while i admit i think i believe the theory that it is leonardo da vinci's face on the shroud)

And the dating isn't thought to coincide with the time of Christ either. Paintings are essentially ideal images. There is no scriptural evidence that Jesus was a Nazarite.
And even if he was (I doubt it), Nazarites just as commonly had shaven heads, according to their vows, as long hair. Many Jews at the time actually did not have beards.

No, but I do think Frankenstein's monster is living in the Antarctic.

There is no proof but what was common of a Jewish man back then. By the age Jesus was, it was very unlikely that you wouldn't be married.
And the rumor that hitler was Jewish is not true, if anything, his great grandfather might have been.

Paintings also show him with pale skin, and they show
The Virgin Mary as a pale woman with light hair quite often

And the Priory of Sion is a hoax. Pierre Plantard (one of the "grand
masters" said it was under oath.

It's possible that Jesus had a wife and children though.

Jesus was partially Jewish, and very likely may have had Arab and/or African ancestry. In the Book of Revelation he was also said to have wooly hair. I don't think how he is depicted in paintings is accurate.

Yup, I agree.

Exactly...part Jewish. Like i said.

Lol, how do you be partially Jewish? Can you be part Christian? Part Buddhist? Part Hindu? No

Part Jewish meaning Mary was his mother. She came from a Jewish family.
(Luke 1:6)
(Matthew 1:19)
(Luke 2:41) (Passover)

Lol, you can't be half Jewish, Judaism is a system of beliefs... all or nothing, not a race

What's a Hebrew?

StalingradK, according to the United States Supreme Court, Jews are a race.

St. Mary Magdalene is my Saint for confirmation, I'm not positive that She and Jesus were married, but I think they loved each other, But Mary is the Saint of Pennative Sinners (meaning: Sinners who want to be forgiven)
I think they might have liked each other that way. I don't believe in the Da Vinci Code, thing, I find out facts,and I have my own opinion.

hrm, so if I convert to Judaism... It'll change my race... Hrm...Supreme Court dun know squat. And Hebrew is a language and an ancient people, not living anymore.

Gotcha, thanks.

Looked it up in the dictionary, but I never hear them refered to in todays world so wasn't sure.

Yelekiah is correct: Being Jewish in the US is both a religious and a racial/nationality designation within the scope of its legal (Constitutional) definition.

However, from a purely religious perspective, a person cannot be Jewish unless she or he is born of a Jewish mother or undergoes conversion. There are no "half" or "partial" Jews.

If there was a Jesus, he was Jewish. If there was a Mary Magdalene, she was Jewish. Peter, Paul, Mark, Luke, John the Baptist, Timothy, Thomas, Mother Mary, et al... all Jews. The "Last Supper" was a Passover Seder.

The DaVinci Code, like The Last Temptation of Christ (Scorsese/Nikos Kazantzakis), like The Man Who Died (Lawrence), is pure fiction.

In Beyond the DaVinci Code, many argue that Jesus and Magdalene had more of a relationship than the Bible records. Scholars and theologians look at translations of words that depict Jesus and Magdalene and speculate. They also take into consideration the context of these passages and apply what is known of the culture at that time and further speculate. And, since the Bible began in the Oral Tradition, they speculate upon what didn't make it into the written Bible.

i think jesus and mary magdelene were married and she was pregnant at the time of his "death" . mary was a magdelene this was not her surname she was almost nunlike until she was chosen to be married .this is where jesus comes in when mary anointed him (twice) this was part of the marraige ritual. in the culture they lived in u were married twice in effect if you didnt become pregnant in the first "marraige" the husband could decide not to make the marraige binding. the wedding feast of cana was jesus celebration of the first marraige.theres a lot more to this than meets the eye in my opinion the catholic church do not like strong women in any shape or form and have made that abundantly clear they picked the 4 gospels of the bible and made sure the only revered woman was the "virgin" mary ,they knew mary was jesus' wife but knew that would make him "mortal" so they made mary out to b a prostitute so there church would not b threatened !!!! it still continues today they wont even allow women priests !!!!

Cool, ty for clearing it all up. Makes a lot more sense.

U really know your history Meladah. Just out of curiosity...did you read that from a specific book, or internet site? Coz i'd love to read about it.

thanks rusty bluedog !!!!!! you could say i have an intrest in this kinda thing . i read the da vinci code and though it was fiction in part it raised a lot of questions in my mind so i decided to research it . theres areally good book called "The Magdalene Legacy" by laurence gardner that gets into the religion and customs of the time . so what do u think of the theory then ???

hmmm, this is a touchy issue for those who are heavily religious.
If I may use a comparison, people are always defending anime characters on forums where people say harsh things about them.
The fans come running waving pitchforks and that's understandable.
You naturally want to protect the ones you love, and I think that that can blind you to possibilities and maybe even truths.
Having an open mind doesn't just mean to listen to opinions, it means to consider them as well.
No one should feel targeted in a healthy, intelligent debate.
I don't think Jesus would be greatly offended by people thinking he had children! He is infact
an offspring himself, and if god in all his purity could have a son then why not he?

It is very possible, after all the bible totally ignores Jesus from age 12 to 30 something, 33 maybe? Can't remember the exact age off the top of my head, but anyway. Why does the bible (which I believe the Catholic Church was behind compiling) neglect those years? Did he go from teaching the prists in the temple to not being holy or doing good works for 18+/- years? It doesn't make sense, seems more likely that the church didn't like what was written, so "choose" to ignore it. Now whether that means marriage is really anyones idea.

For the f***ing last time!! There is no "prostitute Mary" in the f***ing Bible. There is a "Mary who commited adultery". That Mary Jesus only saw once in his life, forgived her and said bye bye cya. The other Mary, the one who was always with Jesus and that was the first person to see him after he ressurected was a completely diferent person. Immaculated like the other Mary in the NT (Jesus mother).

So, let's conclude, there were 3 frigging Marys in the NT, his mother, the ADULTERER, and his fraternal companion. So all that discussion wether or not they depicted Jesus wife as a slut is TOTAL NONSENSE because there was no "whore Mary" and because the supposed Jesus wife was not the same person as the adulterer Mary. (Oh, and because Jesus had no wifes)

It's hillarious how all those ignorant dumbsh** pseudo-writers plagiate plagiators who plagiated other plagiator who plagiated a hoaxer to base their arguments. They don't even have the trouble of checking the authenticy of their "founts". They google fort "conspiracy theory", copy past it, write some pseudo-philosofical bulls*** or a romance to make it appealing and then sell them.

I know I look irritated and confuse but that's because I'm hearing this Tchaikovsky guy, my temperature always rises.

Well now i think a nerve has been touched !! I never said Mary Magdelene wasa slut I said the Church created 'Mary the Whore' . Later on Church bishops decided Mary must have been a whore.Obstensibly this was because ONE of the Biblical refrences classifies her as a 'Sinner'. This ,in the minds of the bishops ,signified a woman of loose virtue. Despite all attempts to dub Mary with a whoredom ,that has no foundation there is only one comment in the Gospels concerning her supposed 'sin'.(Luke 8:2 repeated in Mark16:9) Mary was" a woman out of whom went seven devils" and "a woman out of whom He [Jesus] sent seven devils" !! In relation to this 7 devils reference i would like to point out that the greek name Mary (from the egyptian Mery) meaning Beloved and seemingly equivalent to the Hebrew Miriam was not a "name"but a title in a religious order. Marys were raised in a chaste monastic environment, with specific holy orders and were subject to strict regulations that applied untli they were chosen to be betrothed. Prior to this Marys were under the authority of the Chief Scribe, who was classified as the Demon Priest Number 7. Ranking in seniority from no.1 up, the 7 Demon Priests were established as an opposition group to the priests who were thought to represent the 7 Lights Of The Menorah. It was the duty of the 7 DPs to supervise and keep watch on the female celibates (Marys ). Upon marraige, however, the women were released from the charge of the 7 Demons (or Devils ), which meant the rules of celibacy no longer applied . So when Jesus 'cast seven devils ' from Mary Magdelene she was being released from conventual ties in order to marry. The Mary you refer to as the adulterer was never named as 'Mary' she was conviently unnamed (John 8:1-11) and was "taken in adultery", she hasnt the slightest connection with MM but the Church decided to make them one and the same, and , yes ,there are 3 Marys in the Bible they are Mary , Jesus' mother , Mary , Jesus' sister , and Mary Magdelene , Jesus' wife .

@ meledah

Don't worry, no nerves touched, I'm just sick with all those Dan Browns and his plagiators saying nonsense. Mary Magdalene was always a hot topic amongst the wisemen who studied thew Bible. I don't think she was married with Jesus, but I understand that different interpretations may provoke all kind of opinions about that. And please, forgive me if I offended you, I was not mad at you.

The Mary Prostitute was not even created by the Bishops or the most important philosophers of the Church. It was just part of the christian common lore (please remind that just until a century ago catholics could only read the Bible in latin, that means that the common folk wouldn't have access to it). I don't think the whole Jesus' Wife thing is all that mad, it is quite plausible actually. But let me tell you that that single argument you wrote there is much more coherent than most of those best selling theories (although I had also already heard that one).

As I said, I was on a bad mood back then

@ el_burdokai
Hey there, don't apologise you didn't offend me , I'm just a bit stubborn when it comes to getting my point across!! I think Dan Brown opened a can of worms with his book and the result is EVERYONE has an opinion, but unfortunatley not everyone has true knowledge of Biblical times and customs, so they go around quoting the Da Vinci Code and claiming to be experts . I'm no expert, but I dont try to shout about things I dont have a clue about . Thanks for the compliment , I must say , in my opinion , your extremely knowledgeable on this subject and i enjoyed the 'debate' with you immensely, so thank YOU!!!!!!!!! And ,hey,we all have bad days so make the most of the good ones !!!!!