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Thoughtform
There is a difference between a real Magickian and a Psychic who whores themself on the television for money.

With that in mind, what you said applies to the "mystic-prostitutes" quite well, but those fakes cannot be compared with those who study the subject honestly and do not make investment plans with their "soon-to-be" ability.

In fact, all the fakes do is take advantage of the ignorant peoples curiousity and claim that they are an incredible psychic and grab a tarot deck- when in fact they are fully unaware the meanings of the cards, how to use them, and have never even picked up a book on the occult/metaphysics ever.

In Magick the usual goal is to strive for the Great Work- enlightenment, the oneness of the self and God. Where something as mundane as money comes into this, it is a problem of greed influenced with the promise of power. This is where these wannabe "psychics" come from; power over people and thus money- which to them is power.

Also... no one can be a spiritual teacher. No human, no being, can teach you truly the personal truths of the spirit. That is a subject that only oneself can research in. Sure, someone can help steer you with their knowledge, but it is up to YOU to look at the universe and to find the real truths yourself. Anything other than that is simply brainwashing.

As a real researcher of the occult I choose not to seep into the money-making-schemes of the fake "psychics" and stay to my own life, success, and studies.

I urge everyone who calls up Ms. Cleo to do the same.
deej
QUOTE(rob lester @ Jan 22 2006, 10:26 AM) [snapback]1031932[/snapback]

First let me say I love this site...Bear with me , long post original.gif

Ok , my wife watches Sylvia on Montel , she gets very upset with me because I say she is a scam.I really do not understand any of it , pet psychics , etc...Here is why I will never be convinced in near future.Whenever a nation wide news alert about missing children , or murders ( John boney Ramsey...spell check comes to mind ) where are these psychics?This is mainly aimed at sylvia , but any will do claiming that much power.I mean seriously , how hard would it be to pick up the phone and tell someone where they are before it is to late?I do not mean every single case ,but would you not think she would have a little spare time and heart to help a little?She gives out names of "murderers" on montel to people , have we had even one "update" if anyone caught?If these abilities were true and that strong , if I were her than the twin towers would have been standing today , numerous children would be home , numerous criminals would be off the streets....And I would run off of government funding , or donations and do it full time.Meaning ,if these powers true why make millions talking to dead relatives on tv shows when you could live comfortably helping a huge amount of people?....If you have not , just check her site with this in mind , anyones site for that matter..Please do not take offence to my beliefs , but they are based on facts.

Sylvia and her sons phone charges : Phone reading with Sylvia - $700
Phone reading with Chris - $400

A Phone consultation with Sylvia or Chris lasts approximately 20-30 minutes.

And to anyone being Psychic have you heard of the million dollars waiting for you?...Below detailed info on it....Its worth a try?

Magician and skeptic James (The Amazing) Randi has had a long-standing offer for any psychic to perform a paranormal act under controlled conditions. If the results meet mutually-agreed-to standards for success, a cash prize is to be awarded to the challenger. The prize started out as $10,000 of Randi's own money.

But many of the same psychics who do readings in their drawing room for 30 or 40 dollars a pop said that $10,000 for a single job was not worth their time and effort. (As an aside, some other psychics who do the same thing for a living haughtily announced that they weren't in it for the money. When it's pointed out that they can donate the money to charity if they wish, they simply pretend not to hear.)

So Randi turned to his many fans and supporters. He started an organization called the 2000 Club. Membership consisted of pledging a minimum of $1,000 in $1,000 increments to the Randi Challenge. As of this writing, the pledges stand at over 1.2 million dollars. The prize would now consist of a $10,000 check handed over on the spot, with the remainder collectable in pledges.

But the psychics complained that this was still not acceptable. It would be far too much work to collect the money from everyone, and not everybody would come through on their pledges. The job of collecting a potential one million dollars seemed pretty enticing to me, even if half the pledgers turned out to be welchers, but I guess my mind doesn't work like that of a psychic.

An anonymous philanthropist has made it possible for Randi to found the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF). This donor has additionally provided one million dollars to be kept in an account specifically for the Randi prize. Therefore, in the interests of pleasing the psychics, the Randi Challenge was modified. A winning challenger would immediately get $10,000 of Randi's money, along with a check from the JREF for the remainder of the 1.2 million. Collecting from the pledgers would now be the JREF's problem.

Now the psychics expressed extreme skepticism that the JREF even had assets worth one million. (In fact, Randi's honesty seems to be the only subject the paranormalists are capable of working up any skepticism for.) At one point James Randi offered to make a $1,000 bet that the assets were there. He has indicated that there were no takers, despite repeated insistence by the psychics that the money is nonexistent.

The latest move to accommodate potential challengers was to place the funds in an account named The James Randi Educational Foundation Prize Account with the firm of Goldman, Sachs & Co. in the form of liquidatable bonds. Doubters were then invited to send a FAX to a certain number to receive confirmation that the one million dollars was really there.

Afterward, none of the highly vocal scoffers had said anything about having performed this simple and convenient research. So I went ahead and sent a FAX. I got back this letter on Goldman Sachs letterhead, signed by a Naomi C. Shapiro, confirming the presence of one million dollars in liquid assets.

At this point, I expect the psychics to charge that the letter is a forgery, either on my part, or on the part of the JREF. One imagines Goldman Sachs would vigorously prosecute anyone distributing incorrect financial information on their letterhead. This would be a tremendous risk to run, especially for the simple purpose of trying to shut up a few obnoxious loudmouths. If the psychics could investigate this matter, and manage to expose fraud on the part of the JREF, there should be little doubt that they would eagerly set out to do so. Bringing The Amazing Randi down in humiliating defeat is the kind of fantasy that fires their imaginations at night.

Anyone paying attention will certainly see a pattern here. The paranormalists will never be satisfied no matter what attempts are made to address their supposed concerns.

A small number of genuinely self-deluded individuals have agreed to take the Randi Challenge, and invaryingly failed. But the biggest majority of those who boast of paranormal abilities avoid the Challenge like the plague. Some disregard the entry rules, and make up their own counter-challenge (Their rules - Randi's money). Randi sensibly ignores them. Then they crow that Randi is excluding them from the Psychic Challenge, but in truth they never accepted the existing Challenge, only another of their own invention involving none of their own money.

Or they simply deny that the Challenge is legitimate. Arguments that the best way to prove this assertion is to take the Challenge and win are like water off a duck's back.

Why do believers in psychic phenomena do this? Because they have to. A universe in which paranormal effects abound cannot be the same universe in which a one million dollar Psychic Challenge lies unclaimed for many years. This is the whole point of the Challenge.

Fans of the paranormal delight in portraying skeptics as being like ostriches with their heads in the sand, carefully avoiding any kind of research which might contradict their beliefs. But it's a widely-recognized fact that we tend to expect others to do as we do. I've never heard of a psychic actually investigating whether the prize money for the Randi Challenge was really there, even after Randi has made it very easy to research this. I hear nothing but their repetitive, loudly-proclaimed doubts about the existence of the money.

There's a phrase for this.

It's called willful ignorance.


I believe the willul ignorance is on your part. For one, it is correct to say your beliefs are based on YOUR BELIEFS, not fact, certainly not fact. 1st, Sylvia has many many charities, as most high profile celebs. do. As far as nothing she has said on Montel has been credited?? Wrong, everything she says is checked either by staff of Montels or her own, or local police of whomever is asking for help. If the person is helped or case solved, why is it any of our buisness?? As far as helping police, thats an all the time thing, even if she is not asked, if she gets a "hit" on it she will contact the correct authorities. I could go on myself discrediting what you have said, but as i said, what u belive is not fact, dont confuse belief from fact. Yes, all i have said I belive is fact, but it is based on what i have read and extensively researched, but i still am not foolish enough to call it fact, it is my beliefs based on what ive read.
deej
QUOTE(firefly66 @ Apr 11 2006, 04:32 PM) [snapback]1143591[/snapback]

Holy talk about attack on Sylvia Browne! I would like to see how you would feel if someone openly cut down your faith, as Sylvia is a head of Novus Spiritus, many people look to her teachings for hope and direction. Do you see any of us cutting down Catholisism? Why would we bother? I don't really understand why so many people choose to berate Sylvia, did people treat Edgard Cayce this way? Oh my mistake, he didn't really charge much for his sessions, I will give you that, but for the amount of good her church has done for others, well it helped me out quite a bit. Have you ever actually sat down and read one of her books? If not maybe you should. I won't waste my time trying to convince you to believe in her, I could really care less if you do or do not, but please respect others beliefs, as they are very dear to them. I would never ever say something like: Oh, what a bunch of phonies those Catholics are, how could they believe that Jesus healed the sick with a mere touch, or that he rose magicaly from his grave, or that he turned water into wine, how could he possibly have been real? DUH, of course he was real, and I respect his work, why do you feel the need to be so offensive? In this day and age we are supposed to be tolerant of others, you sir are not.

Has your wife ever asked for 700$? If not who cares if she likes Sylvia? It is her business, and I am sure she does not appreciate your lack of support. Just because you do not believe in something does not mean you have to rip it apart like that. Prove to me she is a fake, she most certainly is not one hundered percent but she is most definately not a fake. That is my opinion, and I am sticking to it...you people who choose to cut apart my beleifs are rude and kind of mean. I feel sorry for you.
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Thank goodness for your reply. I totaly agree with everything you say. I cant say enough good things about Sylvia and her contributions. Also, nice comparrison to Cayce, the guy who wrote the nonsense probably has never heard Cayces name anyhow.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(firefly66 @ Apr 23 2006, 07:32 PM) [snapback]1160790[/snapback]

Wow for people who are a part of Unexplained Mysteries, you sure are close minded. I think whenever someone gets big, there are like a million people right there to tear them down. So sad, Sylvia only pulls in 35,000 a year, she is not rich, and she is a very awesome spiritual teacher. Don't bother watching Montel if you don't like her. I do not go to church, because I don't really agree with some of the philosphy told there. But I do respect them...that is why I stay away.
It is really too bad you can't open your mind a little bit more.
Love and light, Denise.

Wrong. She is very wealthy.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(deej @ May 14 2006, 06:14 PM) [snapback]1188577[/snapback]

I believe the willul ignorance is on your part. For one, it is correct to say your beliefs are based on YOUR BELIEFS, not fact, certainly not fact. 1st, Sylvia has many many charities, as most high profile celebs. do. As far as nothing she has said on Montel has been credited?? Wrong, everything she says is checked either by staff of Montels or her own, or local police of whomever is asking for help. If the person is helped or case solved, why is it any of our buisness?? As far as helping police, thats an all the time thing, even if she is not asked, if she gets a "hit" on it she will contact the correct authorities. I could go on myself discrediting what you have said, but as i said, what u belive is not fact, dont confuse belief from fact. Yes, all i have said I belive is fact, but it is based on what i have read and extensively researched, but i still am not foolish enough to call it fact, it is my beliefs based on what ive read.

Whatever. I know this she never predicts anything right. She also takes down the predicitons from the previous year so know one sees how wrong she is.
LostLittleGirl
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ May 15 2006, 03:22 PM) [snapback]1189931[/snapback]

Whatever. I know this she never predicts anything right. She also takes down the predicitons from the previous year so know one sees how wrong she is.



So she makes sure that there is no record of her past perdictions? Is there any way we can find a copy of them and compare?
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(deej @ May 14 2006, 06:20 PM) [snapback]1188585[/snapback]

Thank goodness for your reply. I totaly agree with everything you say. I cant say enough good things about Sylvia and her contributions. Also, nice comparrison to Cayce, the guy who wrote the nonsense probably has never heard Cayces name anyhow.

If you believe in Sylvia, you should first check to make sure your wallet is still there, and second, get your head checked. This woman is evil. To make money by stringing along weak willed people is a horrible thing.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(LostLittleGirl @ May 15 2006, 03:26 PM) [snapback]1189937[/snapback]

So she makes sure that there is no record of her past perdictions? Is there any way we can find a copy of them and compare?

There was a site I saw a year or so ago that had her predictions that were wrong. I will try to find it.
LostLittleGirl
I'm just surpised that she's not willing to admit that she has been wrong in her past predictions. I geuss that says something about her ego.
Bio-Mage
It also says everything about her "psychic " abilities....or should we say lack of..
ronw60
QUOTE(Bio-Mage @ May 16 2006, 12:43 PM) [snapback]1191145[/snapback]

It also says everything about her "psychic " abilities....or should we say lack of..


who would stick up for this lieing white trash pig-i hope she rots in hell period....
LostLittleGirl
Who's sticking up for her? I thought we were trying to disprove her?
softsthrnbreeze
QUOTE(rob lester @ Jan 22 2006, 05:26 PM) [snapback]1031932[/snapback]

First let me say I love this site...Bear with me , long post original.gif

Ok , my wife watches Sylvia on Montel , she gets very upset with me because I say she is a scam.I really do not understand any of it , pet psychics , etc...Here is why I will never be convinced in near future.Whenever a nation wide news alert about missing children , or murders ( John boney Ramsey...spell check comes to mind ) where are these psychics?This is mainly aimed at sylvia , but any will do claiming that much power.I mean seriously , how hard would it be to pick up the phone and tell someone where they are before it is to late?I do not mean every single case ,but would you not think she would have a little spare time and heart to help a little?She gives out names of "murderers" on montel to people , have we had even one "update" if anyone caught?If these abilities were true and that strong , if I were her than the twin towers would have been standing today , numerous children would be home , numerous criminals would be off the streets....And I would run off of government funding , or donations and do it full time.Meaning ,if these powers true why make millions talking to dead relatives on tv shows when you could live comfortably helping a huge amount of people?....If you have not , just check her site with this in mind , anyones site for that matter..Please do not take offence to my beliefs , but they are based on facts.

Sylvia and her sons phone charges : Phone reading with Sylvia - $700
Phone reading with Chris - $400

A Phone consultation with Sylvia or Chris lasts approximately 20-30 minutes.

And to anyone being Psychic have you heard of the million dollars waiting for you?...Below detailed info on it....Its worth a try?

Magician and skeptic James (The Amazing) Randi has had a long-standing offer for any psychic to perform a paranormal act under controlled conditions. If the results meet mutually-agreed-to standards for success, a cash prize is to be awarded to the challenger. The prize started out as $10,000 of Randi's own money.

But many of the same psychics who do readings in their drawing room for 30 or 40 dollars a pop said that $10,000 for a single job was not worth their time and effort. (As an aside, some other psychics who do the same thing for a living haughtily announced that they weren't in it for the money. When it's pointed out that they can donate the money to charity if they wish, they simply pretend not to hear.)

So Randi turned to his many fans and supporters. He started an organization called the 2000 Club. Membership consisted of pledging a minimum of $1,000 in $1,000 increments to the Randi Challenge. As of this writing, the pledges stand at over 1.2 million dollars. The prize would now consist of a $10,000 check handed over on the spot, with the remainder collectable in pledges.

But the psychics complained that this was still not acceptable. It would be far too much work to collect the money from everyone, and not everybody would come through on their pledges. The job of collecting a potential one million dollars seemed pretty enticing to me, even if half the pledgers turned out to be welchers, but I guess my mind doesn't work like that of a psychic.

An anonymous philanthropist has made it possible for Randi to found the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF). This donor has additionally provided one million dollars to be kept in an account specifically for the Randi prize. Therefore, in the interests of pleasing the psychics, the Randi Challenge was modified. A winning challenger would immediately get $10,000 of Randi's money, along with a check from the JREF for the remainder of the 1.2 million. Collecting from the pledgers would now be the JREF's problem.

Now the psychics expressed extreme skepticism that the JREF even had assets worth one million. (In fact, Randi's honesty seems to be the only subject the paranormalists are capable of working up any skepticism for.) At one point James Randi offered to make a $1,000 bet that the assets were there. He has indicated that there were no takers, despite repeated insistence by the psychics that the money is nonexistent.

The latest move to accommodate potential challengers was to place the funds in an account named The James Randi Educational Foundation Prize Account with the firm of Goldman, Sachs & Co. in the form of liquidatable bonds. Doubters were then invited to send a FAX to a certain number to receive confirmation that the one million dollars was really there.

Afterward, none of the highly vocal scoffers had said anything about having performed this simple and convenient research. So I went ahead and sent a FAX. I got back this letter on Goldman Sachs letterhead, signed by a Naomi C. Shapiro, confirming the presence of one million dollars in liquid assets.

At this point, I expect the psychics to charge that the letter is a forgery, either on my part, or on the part of the JREF. One imagines Goldman Sachs would vigorously prosecute anyone distributing incorrect financial information on their letterhead. This would be a tremendous risk to run, especially for the simple purpose of trying to shut up a few obnoxious loudmouths. If the psychics could investigate this matter, and manage to expose fraud on the part of the JREF, there should be little doubt that they would eagerly set out to do so. Bringing The Amazing Randi down in humiliating defeat is the kind of fantasy that fires their imaginations at night.

Anyone paying attention will certainly see a pattern here. The paranormalists will never be satisfied no matter what attempts are made to address their supposed concerns.

A small number of genuinely self-deluded individuals have agreed to take the Randi Challenge, and invaryingly failed. But the biggest majority of those who boast of paranormal abilities avoid the Challenge like the plague. Some disregard the entry rules, and make up their own counter-challenge (Their rules - Randi's money). Randi sensibly ignores them. Then they crow that Randi is excluding them from the Psychic Challenge, but in truth they never accepted the existing Challenge, only another of their own invention involving none of their own money.

Or they simply deny that the Challenge is legitimate. Arguments that the best way to prove this assertion is to take the Challenge and win are like water off a duck's back.

Why do believers in psychic phenomena do this? Because they have to. A universe in which paranormal effects abound cannot be the same universe in which a one million dollar Psychic Challenge lies unclaimed for many years. This is the whole point of the Challenge.

Fans of the paranormal delight in portraying skeptics as being like ostriches with their heads in the sand, carefully avoiding any kind of research which might contradict their beliefs. But it's a widely-recognized fact that we tend to expect others to do as we do. I've never heard of a psychic actually investigating whether the prize money for the Randi Challenge was really there, even after Randi has made it very easy to research this. I hear nothing but their repetitive, loudly-proclaimed doubts about the existence of the money.

There's a phrase for this.

It's called willful ignorance.

softsthrnbreeze
I've not read each entry contained in this discussion; however, please let me begin by saying that this is my first visit here. I like the idea of having a place to discuss this and not feel that any of us are judging or arguing. The mere fact that we are all here posting our belifes, opinions, etc. proves that Sylvia is doing what she has set out to do. As she has said all along, she is truly on a mission for God. She is encouraging all of us to search for the truth and to find our own God center. Through discussions such as this, we stimulate thought toward the matter.

Whether Sylvia's predictions/visions/whatever you want to call them are correct or not is really irrelevant. If what she does is helping others, that is all she is trying to do. More important than her psychic lessons are her spiritual ones. All she is trying to tell us is that we have everything we need to survive this hell hole. All we need to do is love an support one another and to be sure that everything we do is done for God. After that, give God credit for the good things that happen and then be smart enough to "shut up and go Home."

How can any of us blast a person who is doing nothing more than to encourage all of us to love one another. Sylvia Browne is simply a messenger trying to help us all see what we were meant to see..............the beauty of love for God and each other.
HurtingSpirit
QUOTE(softsthrnbreeze @ May 27 2006, 04:41 AM) [snapback]1207089[/snapback]

I've not read each entry contained in this discussion; however, please let me begin by saying that this is my first visit here. I like the idea of having a place to discuss this and not feel that any of us are judging or arguing. The mere fact that we are all here posting our belifes, opinions, etc. proves that Sylvia is doing what she has set out to do. As she has said all along, she is truly on a mission for God. She is encouraging all of us to search for the truth and to find our own God center. Through discussions such as this, we stimulate thought toward the matter.

Whether Sylvia's predictions/visions/whatever you want to call them are correct or not is really irrelevant. If what she does is helping others, that is all she is trying to do. More important than her psychic lessons are her spiritual ones. All she is trying to tell us is that we have everything we need to survive this hell hole. All we need to do is love an support one another and to be sure that everything we do is done for God. After that, give God credit for the good things that happen and then be smart enough to "shut up and go Home."

How can any of us blast a person who is doing nothing more than to encourage all of us to love one another. Sylvia Browne is simply a messenger trying to help us all see what we were meant to see..............the beauty of love for God and each other.


This is a hard topic for me to comment on.

I do not think what she is doing, is right. Lying to someone to comfort them, is not what people need. Maybe a child would need to be told a lie of some sort, however Sylvia just thrives off of peoples pain.
I personally cannot believe that Sylvia got into the business to help people. Being a fake psychic isn't something you really do to help people out. Mrs Cleo the fakin jamaican was also a "psychic" that lied and fed off of peoples misfortune.

I really cannot understand how people could be so naive to not only believe these fakers, but endorse them at the same time.
FireMoon
I have to say that Randi is every bit as *fake* in his own way as many of the people he criticises.

He came over to England a few years back to appear on a TV show about psychics etc, Not being that well known over here, he was able to pose as a *psychic* and quite rightly and properly he showed how a *cold reading* works on the member of the audience. He showed all the tricks , the vague descriptions etc etc. Nothing wrong with that and he did it well only he had to lie about it.

During his *reading* he mentioned something about the girl he was *reading* living in a circular room or a room with round walls. Now this wasn't particularly vague as it turns out the girl had indeed lived in a water tower ,converted into a home, and it was indeed,, round.

Unsurprisingly the girl asked Randi how he could pick something like this , lets be honest quite unique piece of information, up from a simple cold reading of stranger he had never met before. Randi then admitted that he had a researcher delve into her background and feed him the information knowing she would in the audience that night.

Now, call me picky, but thats not a *cold reading* where a stranger walks in off the street or calls on the phone, that was Randi deliberatley misleading an audience in his attempt to get his ponit across. The fact is, the audience reacted by booing him the moment he actually admitted he'd cheated totally not just *read from cold*.

To me that incident said a lot about the veracity of the man Randi. He makes just as much money from debunking the stuff he laughs at as do most of those who fake being able to tell people the future and he was determined, by whatever means necessary, to prove how *good* he was on the TV programme and he made a complete ass of himself.
boggle
QUOTE(FireMoon @ May 27 2006, 05:17 AM) [snapback]1207115[/snapback]

I have to say that Randi is every bit as *fake* in his own way as many of the people he criticises.

He came over to England a few years back to appear on a TV show about psychics etc, Not being that well known over here, he was able to pose as a *psychic* and quite rightly and properly he showed how a *cold reading* works on the member of the audience. He showed all the tricks , the vague descriptions etc etc. Nothing wrong with that and he did it well only he had to lie about it.

During his *reading* he mentioned something about the girl he was *reading* living in a circular room or a room with round walls. Now this wasn't particularly vague as it turns out the girl had indeed lived in a water tower ,converted into a home, and it was indeed,, round.

Unsurprisingly the girl asked Randi how he could pick something like this , lets be honest quite unique piece of information, up from a simple cold reading of stranger he had never met before. Randi then admitted that he had a researcher delve into her background and feed him the information knowing she would in the audience that night.

Now, call me picky, but thats not a *cold reading* where a stranger walks in off the street or calls on the phone, that was Randi deliberatley misleading an audience in his attempt to get his ponit across. The fact is, the audience reacted by booing him the moment he actually admitted he'd cheated totally not just *read from cold*.

To me that incident said a lot about the veracity of the man Randi. He makes just as much money from debunking the stuff he laughs at as do most of those who fake being able to tell people the future and he was determined, by whatever means necessary, to prove how *good* he was on the TV programme and he made a complete ass of himself.


I guess they could always get hired selling cars if their rep gets really bad on tv heheh
I Believe only in God
I can’t believe that Montel Williams gives Sylvia Brown so much support and airtime. Then of course you have to look at his life and see is not exactly a pristine example of an honorable man (could money be his motivation?). Sure, he’s bravely fought his disease, but his unfaithfulness and infidelity in his marriages speaks volumes about his character.

Now back to Sylvia. She seems to never not to have an answer to anyone’s questions about future events in someone’s life, can give names to the ghosts, spirit guides, and other spooks people ask her about, and can tell you how past events have taken place. Have you ever seen her NOT answer a question (her ego has gotten too big to not throw a
”bone” to the gullible audience member). But when you ask her about specific questions like who killed someone so the police could take action, she speaks in generalities and hesitates to come up with anything provable and concrete. You would think someone who could see into the past would be able help solve crimes, and truly help people deal with tragedies. Then you get to “future” events such as the recent World Trade Centers and the Katrina disasters, don’t you think her “psychic abilities” would have had the spirit world literally SCREAMING to warn others and to save lives!!! If she can see what your job will be having or who you will marry, can’t she see events that will shake the world? Wouldn’t the “spirit world” want her to help mankind by warning of others tragic events (or even warning a loved one of something that was about to happen), than to go onto a talk show and “hawk” her books and psychic readings? Maybe there is some sort of psychic union rules that prevents her for helping without getting paid.

Come on guys, she is either one of two things. She is either one of the biggest liars and con artists of all time (the money she rakes in might give us a clue), or she IS really endowed with spiritual powers, but powers absolutely NOT from God. I believe in God, and realize there is a spiritual dimension that we do not understand or easily see. But God clearly states that the powers Sylvia claim to possess, are despised by Him and are a blasphemy to Him. If her powers are true, they are from Satan. She not only claims to be able to see into the past and future, but she mixes every possible mystic belief (throwing in a little “God” to try be legitimate) into her mixed bag of claims. Is there some sort of “religion” she has not used in her claims?

I cringe every time I see sincere people coming to her for help and answers, but fall for her either deceiving cons or her demonic lies. I’ve never seen anyone ever allowed to really asking her a question that might challenge her (Montel makes sure to screen the audience very carefully). I shake my head because to see so many people seek her advice or read her books, it just boggles my minds that these people are so gullible. Hopefully someone will publicly challenge her powers and claims, but with all the money she rakes in, they would be in a really costly legal battle.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
Here is a diddy,"This old hag she plays quick,
she steals money from the sick.
With a nick nack paddy whack,
give a dog a bone. Lets send
Sylvia rolling home."

Sylvia Browne=The night hag.
crowjr68
I have watched Sylvia on The Montel Williams show a few times and read a couple of her books.Though she seems so honest and sure of her self, she also strikes me as somewhat "shadey".I also see she charges quite a sum of money for one of her readings.What do you all think,is this psychic for real?just honest opinions will do.Thank you. disgust.gif
Sasa
Personally I do believe that Sylvia is psychic. However, she's being guided by a "Convert", which is a ghost that has refused to go through the light. Converts aim to deceive and confuse humans. They'll give the psychic they are guiding information that is true, but mix in a lot of false information as well. Those are the psychics you should watch out for. It's possible that even Sylvia doesn't know this though - so I'm not saying SHE is a bad person or anything, just that she's getting her information from an unreliable source. I have noticed that she has quite an ego though. No psychic is 100% correct on everything and she likes people to believe that she is.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
As said before by many, this woman is a fraud that charges 700 for a phone call reading. She has been caught over and over in lies. Her predictions never come true. It is pitiful. She takes advantage of people that need hope and makes alot of money doing it.
zukie&jim
complete fraud .
crowjr68
QUOTE(Bio-Mage @ Mar 15 2006, 10:38 PM) [snapback]1105370[/snapback]

Sylvia brown is a prime example on people who prey on human insecurities to make money. Like we dont have enough of that already...

Very well said! I think if Sylvia was the real deal she would have accepted the challenge(after saying she would 3 times!)and proved it.SHE IS NOTHING BUT A THIEF!!!!!!!!! disgust.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(softsthrnbreeze @ May 26 2006, 11:41 PM) [snapback]1207089[/snapback]

I've not read each entry contained in this discussion; however, please let me begin by saying that this is my first visit here. I like the idea of having a place to discuss this and not feel that any of us are judging or arguing. The mere fact that we are all here posting our belifes, opinions, etc. proves that Sylvia is doing what she has set out to do. As she has said all along, she is truly on a mission for God. She is encouraging all of us to search for the truth and to find our own God center. Through discussions such as this, we stimulate thought toward the matter.

Whether Sylvia's predictions/visions/whatever you want to call them are correct or not is really irrelevant. If what she does is helping others, that is all she is trying to do. More important than her psychic lessons are her spiritual ones. All she is trying to tell us is that we have everything we need to survive this hell hole. All we need to do is love an support one another and to be sure that everything we do is done for God. After that, give God credit for the good things that happen and then be smart enough to "shut up and go Home."

How can any of us blast a person who is doing nothing more than to encourage all of us to love one another. Sylvia Browne is simply a messenger trying to help us all see what we were meant to see..............the beauty of love for God and each other.

Well pimps provide happiness. Sylvia just pimps lies for money.
Moro
It's just terrible that people actually keep believing in this JUNK even after she fails over and over again!
But of course you dont see that part because they are only going to show you the readings she gets right! no.gif
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