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rob lester
First let me say I love this site...Bear with me , long post original.gif

Ok , my wife watches Sylvia on Montel , she gets very upset with me because I say she is a scam.I really do not understand any of it , pet psychics , etc...Here is why I will never be convinced in near future.Whenever a nation wide news alert about missing children , or murders ( John boney Ramsey...spell check comes to mind ) where are these psychics?This is mainly aimed at sylvia , but any will do claiming that much power.I mean seriously , how hard would it be to pick up the phone and tell someone where they are before it is to late?I do not mean every single case ,but would you not think she would have a little spare time and heart to help a little?She gives out names of "murderers" on montel to people , have we had even one "update" if anyone caught?If these abilities were true and that strong , if I were her than the twin towers would have been standing today , numerous children would be home , numerous criminals would be off the streets....And I would run off of government funding , or donations and do it full time.Meaning ,if these powers true why make millions talking to dead relatives on tv shows when you could live comfortably helping a huge amount of people?....If you have not , just check her site with this in mind , anyones site for that matter..Please do not take offence to my beliefs , but they are based on facts.

Sylvia and her sons phone charges : Phone reading with Sylvia - $700
Phone reading with Chris - $400

A Phone consultation with Sylvia or Chris lasts approximately 20-30 minutes.

And to anyone being Psychic have you heard of the million dollars waiting for you?...Below detailed info on it....Its worth a try?

Magician and skeptic James (The Amazing) Randi has had a long-standing offer for any psychic to perform a paranormal act under controlled conditions. If the results meet mutually-agreed-to standards for success, a cash prize is to be awarded to the challenger. The prize started out as $10,000 of Randi's own money.

But many of the same psychics who do readings in their drawing room for 30 or 40 dollars a pop said that $10,000 for a single job was not worth their time and effort. (As an aside, some other psychics who do the same thing for a living haughtily announced that they weren't in it for the money. When it's pointed out that they can donate the money to charity if they wish, they simply pretend not to hear.)

So Randi turned to his many fans and supporters. He started an organization called the 2000 Club. Membership consisted of pledging a minimum of $1,000 in $1,000 increments to the Randi Challenge. As of this writing, the pledges stand at over 1.2 million dollars. The prize would now consist of a $10,000 check handed over on the spot, with the remainder collectable in pledges.

But the psychics complained that this was still not acceptable. It would be far too much work to collect the money from everyone, and not everybody would come through on their pledges. The job of collecting a potential one million dollars seemed pretty enticing to me, even if half the pledgers turned out to be welchers, but I guess my mind doesn't work like that of a psychic.

An anonymous philanthropist has made it possible for Randi to found the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF). This donor has additionally provided one million dollars to be kept in an account specifically for the Randi prize. Therefore, in the interests of pleasing the psychics, the Randi Challenge was modified. A winning challenger would immediately get $10,000 of Randi's money, along with a check from the JREF for the remainder of the 1.2 million. Collecting from the pledgers would now be the JREF's problem.

Now the psychics expressed extreme skepticism that the JREF even had assets worth one million. (In fact, Randi's honesty seems to be the only subject the paranormalists are capable of working up any skepticism for.) At one point James Randi offered to make a $1,000 bet that the assets were there. He has indicated that there were no takers, despite repeated insistence by the psychics that the money is nonexistent.

The latest move to accommodate potential challengers was to place the funds in an account named The James Randi Educational Foundation Prize Account with the firm of Goldman, Sachs & Co. in the form of liquidatable bonds. Doubters were then invited to send a FAX to a certain number to receive confirmation that the one million dollars was really there.

Afterward, none of the highly vocal scoffers had said anything about having performed this simple and convenient research. So I went ahead and sent a FAX. I got back this letter on Goldman Sachs letterhead, signed by a Naomi C. Shapiro, confirming the presence of one million dollars in liquid assets.

At this point, I expect the psychics to charge that the letter is a forgery, either on my part, or on the part of the JREF. One imagines Goldman Sachs would vigorously prosecute anyone distributing incorrect financial information on their letterhead. This would be a tremendous risk to run, especially for the simple purpose of trying to shut up a few obnoxious loudmouths. If the psychics could investigate this matter, and manage to expose fraud on the part of the JREF, there should be little doubt that they would eagerly set out to do so. Bringing The Amazing Randi down in humiliating defeat is the kind of fantasy that fires their imaginations at night.

Anyone paying attention will certainly see a pattern here. The paranormalists will never be satisfied no matter what attempts are made to address their supposed concerns.

A small number of genuinely self-deluded individuals have agreed to take the Randi Challenge, and invaryingly failed. But the biggest majority of those who boast of paranormal abilities avoid the Challenge like the plague. Some disregard the entry rules, and make up their own counter-challenge (Their rules - Randi's money). Randi sensibly ignores them. Then they crow that Randi is excluding them from the Psychic Challenge, but in truth they never accepted the existing Challenge, only another of their own invention involving none of their own money.

Or they simply deny that the Challenge is legitimate. Arguments that the best way to prove this assertion is to take the Challenge and win are like water off a duck's back.

Why do believers in psychic phenomena do this? Because they have to. A universe in which paranormal effects abound cannot be the same universe in which a one million dollar Psychic Challenge lies unclaimed for many years. This is the whole point of the Challenge.

Fans of the paranormal delight in portraying skeptics as being like ostriches with their heads in the sand, carefully avoiding any kind of research which might contradict their beliefs. But it's a widely-recognized fact that we tend to expect others to do as we do. I've never heard of a psychic actually investigating whether the prize money for the Randi Challenge was really there, even after Randi has made it very easy to research this. I hear nothing but their repetitive, loudly-proclaimed doubts about the existence of the money.

There's a phrase for this.

It's called willful ignorance.
QUICKY
Alot of phychics do help with police cases and with the government.
rob lester
I have heard that ,in forums and internet...Please show me proof i.e...Police reports , statements confirmed from detectives , etc...Not being rude , but show me facts.

Uncritical news reports and pseudocumentaries continue to tout the alleged successes of "psychics" who supposedly assist law enforcement agencies in solving crimes or locating missing persons. Exaggerated claims notwithstanding, most police departments (72% according to researchers) have not used psychics (Durm and Sweat 1994). And of those who have, few have done so officially or claim significant success for them.

Most experienced police seem to recognize the basic trick of psychics, called retrofitting. This involves tossing out several vague "clues" (such as a number, a mention of "water," etc.) which are then interpreted to fit the true facts after they become known. But psychics are not merely ineffectual; they actually harm investigations by misdirecting police efforts -- for example by having them drag rivers, search rugged areas, dig up yards, and drain ponds, typically to no avail. Following are 20 selected case studies of such wasted efforts, presented chronologically:

As these examples show, psychics are a hindrance rather than an aid to police. In fact, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, a branch of the Department of Justice, states there is not a single documented instance of anyone finding a missing child through the use of psychic power. (Marder 1994.) The same is true of crime solving. No longer should self-styled psychics be given credit for the difficult work done by law enforcement personnel.

source : http://www.parascope.com/en/articles/psychicSleuths.htm
leecurtin
removed all my views.... rob told me i would get kicked lol

neways... i do not think it is tru
Goingcrazy
I agree, Sylvia Brown is vile.
Blue Unicorn
I used to think Sylvia Browne was cool. But we're all naive when we're young, right? ^^'
Thanks for this information, rob.
Unlimited
I read a few of her books she isnt all bad... unsure.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(limited @ Feb 12 2006, 11:30 AM) [snapback]1058692[/snapback]

I read a few of her books she isnt all bad... unsure.gif

She preys on the people who need hope. I am sure there will be a special place in hell if it exists.
Taylor
I think she's fake. She's annoying when she picks her teeth with her fake nails. ohmy.gif
ImOne
I can't comment on Ms. Brown because I know little about her. What I can tell you is there is plenty of evidence for psychic phenomena. If you haven't found it you are simply looking in the wrong place or refuse to accept the truth.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(ImOne @ Feb 12 2006, 03:11 PM) [snapback]1058926[/snapback]

I can't comment on Ms. Brown because I know little about her. What I can tell you is there is plenty of evidence for psychic phenomena. If you haven't found it you are simply looking in the wrong place or refuse to accept the truth.

Well the right place would be through scientific testing but no one wants that. no.gif
ImOne
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Feb 12 2006, 01:51 PM) [snapback]1058977[/snapback]

Well the right place would be through scientific testing but no one wants that. no.gif

This is only a belief many people have. Like many other false beliefs it is reinforced through repetition. If you take a look you will find what you want. Evidence is available. Plenty of it.
LyCaN123
nice i dont she has these phsycic abilities iether but i do belive in phsycics but not this 1
astrochick
I used to think she was cool at first, but she has such an attitude with people at times.I don't think she is a fake. I just think she could be more compassionate with the people she reads.
Dazey
[quote name='rob lester' date='Jan 22 2006, 05:51 PM' post='1031951']
I have heard that ,in forums and internet...Please show me proof i.e...Police reports , statements confirmed from detectives , etc...Not being rude , but show me facts.

Rob,

While I agree with you that many, if not most, psychics are dishonest scammers, ther have been cases where a psychic was able to solve a crime. In fact, I just read a book recently where one did find the body of a murder victim. She didn't charge money, of course. I do agree that these are very rare. I'll try and find the title of the book for you. I think you can find a lot on smokinggun, as well.

Most experienced police seem to recognize the basic trick of psychics, called retrofitting. This involves tossing out several vague "clues" (such as a number, a mention of "water," etc.) which are then interpreted to fit the true facts after they become known. But psychics are not merely ineffectual; they actually harm investigations by misdirecting police efforts -- for example by having them drag rivers, search rugged areas, dig up yards, and drain ponds, typically to no avail. Following are 20 selected case studies of such wasted efforts, presented chronologically:

As these examples show, psychics are a hindrance rather than an aid to police. In fact, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, a branch of the Department of Justice, states there is not a single documented instance of anyone finding a missing child through the use of psychic power. (Marder 1994.) The same is true of crime solving. No longer should self-styled psychics be given credit for the difficult work done by law enforcement personnel.

Many police agree with you, for good reason. As I've stated, it's nearly impossible to find a true psychic, one that isn't interested in profitting from doing it. Even then, they'll tell you themselves, it doesn't always work.

As for the Sylvia thing.. that your wife watches. That's just.. that women is one of the scammers in my opinion. It's sickening to me that so many desperate people are willing to pay so much money to some person on the phone that knows how to "read" what she's saying well enough.. that is, what the customer is saying. Those people should be put out of business. People go broke using those idiots.

I honestly cannot stand TV psychics.

Dazey ph34r.gif
MDH
Would you like a Derek Acorah with that, Sir?

-MDH
a**A_9
QUOTE(rob lester @ Jan 22 2006, 05:26 PM) [snapback]1031932[/snapback]

First let me say I love this site...Bear with me , long post original.gif

Ok , my wife watches Sylvia on Montel , she gets very upset with me because I say she is a scam.I really do not understand any of it , pet psychics , etc...Here is why I will never be convinced in near future.Whenever a nation wide news alert about missing children , or murders ( John boney Ramsey...spell check comes to mind ) where are these psychics?This is mainly aimed at sylvia , but any will do claiming that much power.I mean seriously , how hard would it be to pick up the phone and tell someone where they are before it is to late?I do not mean every single case ,but would you not think she would have a little spare time and heart to help a little?She gives out names of "murderers" on montel to people , have we had even one "update" if anyone caught?If these abilities were true and that strong , if I were her than the twin towers would have been standing today , numerous children would be home , numerous criminals would be off the streets....And I would run off of government funding , or donations and do it full time.Meaning ,if these powers true why make millions talking to dead relatives on tv shows when you could live comfortably helping a huge amount of people?....If you have not , just check her site with this in mind , anyones site for that matter..Please do not take offence to my beliefs , but they are based on facts.

Sylvia and her sons phone charges : Phone reading with Sylvia - $700
Phone reading with Chris - $400

A Phone consultation with Sylvia or Chris lasts approximately 20-30 minutes.

And to anyone being Psychic have you heard of the million dollars waiting for you?...Below detailed info on it....Its worth a try?

Magician and skeptic James (The Amazing) Randi has had a long-standing offer for any psychic to perform a paranormal act under controlled conditions. If the results meet mutually-agreed-to standards for success, a cash prize is to be awarded to the challenger. The prize started out as $10,000 of Randi's own money.

But many of the same psychics who do readings in their drawing room for 30 or 40 dollars a pop said that $10,000 for a single job was not worth their time and effort. (As an aside, some other psychics who do the same thing for a living haughtily announced that they weren't in it for the money. When it's pointed out that they can donate the money to charity if they wish, they simply pretend not to hear.)

So Randi turned to his many fans and supporters. He started an organization called the 2000 Club. Membership consisted of pledging a minimum of $1,000 in $1,000 increments to the Randi Challenge. As of this writing, the pledges stand at over 1.2 million dollars. The prize would now consist of a $10,000 check handed over on the spot, with the remainder collectable in pledges.

But the psychics complained that this was still not acceptable. It would be far too much work to collect the money from everyone, and not everybody would come through on their pledges. The job of collecting a potential one million dollars seemed pretty enticing to me, even if half the pledgers turned out to be welchers, but I guess my mind doesn't work like that of a psychic.

An anonymous philanthropist has made it possible for Randi to found the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF). This donor has additionally provided one million dollars to be kept in an account specifically for the Randi prize. Therefore, in the interests of pleasing the psychics, the Randi Challenge was modified. A winning challenger would immediately get $10,000 of Randi's money, along with a check from the JREF for the remainder of the 1.2 million. Collecting from the pledgers would now be the JREF's problem.

Now the psychics expressed extreme skepticism that the JREF even had assets worth one million. (In fact, Randi's honesty seems to be the only subject the paranormalists are capable of working up any skepticism for.) At one point James Randi offered to make a $1,000 bet that the assets were there. He has indicated that there were no takers, despite repeated insistence by the psychics that the money is nonexistent.

The latest move to accommodate potential challengers was to place the funds in an account named The James Randi Educational Foundation Prize Account with the firm of Goldman, Sachs & Co. in the form of liquidatable bonds. Doubters were then invited to send a FAX to a certain number to receive confirmation that the one million dollars was really there.

Afterward, none of the highly vocal scoffers had said anything about having performed this simple and convenient research. So I went ahead and sent a FAX. I got back this letter on Goldman Sachs letterhead, signed by a Naomi C. Shapiro, confirming the presence of one million dollars in liquid assets.

At this point, I expect the psychics to charge that the letter is a forgery, either on my part, or on the part of the JREF. One imagines Goldman Sachs would vigorously prosecute anyone distributing incorrect financial information on their letterhead. This would be a tremendous risk to run, especially for the simple purpose of trying to shut up a few obnoxious loudmouths. If the psychics could investigate this matter, and manage to expose fraud on the part of the JREF, there should be little doubt that they would eagerly set out to do so. Bringing The Amazing Randi down in humiliating defeat is the kind of fantasy that fires their imaginations at night.

Anyone paying attention will certainly see a pattern here. The paranormalists will never be satisfied no matter what attempts are made to address their supposed concerns.

A small number of genuinely self-deluded individuals have agreed to take the Randi Challenge, and invaryingly failed. But the biggest majority of those who boast of paranormal abilities avoid the Challenge like the plague. Some disregard the entry rules, and make up their own counter-challenge (Their rules - Randi's money). Randi sensibly ignores them. Then they crow that Randi is excluding them from the Psychic Challenge, but in truth they never accepted the existing Challenge, only another of their own invention involving none of their own money.

Or they simply deny that the Challenge is legitimate. Arguments that the best way to prove this assertion is to take the Challenge and win are like water off a duck's back.

Why do believers in psychic phenomena do this? Because they have to. A universe in which paranormal effects abound cannot be the same universe in which a one million dollar Psychic Challenge lies unclaimed for many years. This is the whole point of the Challenge.

Fans of the paranormal delight in portraying skeptics as being like ostriches with their heads in the sand, carefully avoiding any kind of research which might contradict their beliefs. But it's a widely-recognized fact that we tend to expect others to do as we do. I've never heard of a psychic actually investigating whether the prize money for the Randi Challenge was really there, even after Randi has made it very easy to research this. I hear nothing but their repetitive, loudly-proclaimed doubts about the existence of the money.

There's a phrase for this.

It's called willful ignorance.




hey man im with you the trick is a scam for real
stargazer123
QUOTE(rob lester @ Jan 22 2006, 02:51 PM) [snapback]1031951[/snapback]

I have heard that ,in forums and internet...Please show me proof i.e...Police reports , statements confirmed from detectives , etc...Not being rude , but show me facts.

Uncritical news reports and pseudocumentaries continue to tout the alleged successes of "psychics" who supposedly assist law enforcement agencies in solving crimes or locating missing persons. Exaggerated claims notwithstanding, most police departments (72% according to researchers) have not used psychics (Durm and Sweat 1994). And of those who have, few have done so officially or claim significant success for them.

Most experienced police seem to recognize the basic trick of psychics, called retrofitting. This involves tossing out several vague "clues" (such as a number, a mention of "water," etc.) which are then interpreted to fit the true facts after they become known. But psychics are not merely ineffectual; they actually harm investigations by misdirecting police efforts -- for example by having them drag rivers, search rugged areas, dig up yards, and drain ponds, typically to no avail. Following are 20 selected case studies of such wasted efforts, presented chronologically:

As these examples show, psychics are a hindrance rather than an aid to police. In fact, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, a branch of the Department of Justice, states there is not a single documented instance of anyone finding a missing child through the use of psychic power. (Marder 1994.) The same is true of crime solving. No longer should self-styled psychics be given credit for the difficult work done by law enforcement personnel.

source : http://www.parascope.com/en/articles/psychicSleuths.htm


Have you ever watched a show called, "Psychic detectives?" It is a show with real law enforcement that have solved cases with the aid of psychics. I believe it comes on after forensic files same channel.
Apple
Alot of people have a bad habit of of yelling "BAD LIAR! NO PSYCHIC, NOT YOU!" When an actual psychic steps into the light (this may be because of shows like Most Haunted.)

But consider this, while Most Haunted (proven a falsity) is a televised show with script and such, these people go on talk shows, where there are real people in the audiance. Now I can see how it could be a set up, I mean, it's not that difficult to pay an audiance memeber to act like what Ms. Brown is saying is true, but she has nationwide recognition. How can she be so accurate, you wonder? I've met a very powerful psychic, an old black lady named Mrs. Holmes, living in the rual area of my lovely Georgia. Shes an Automatic writer with an annoying ability to see into very personal aspects of your life, and to see what you have ahead of you, in very vivid detail.

My mother use to visit her, the few times I went, Mama brought back a piece of paper Mrs. Holmes had written on, whole sentences explaining what would happen, and sure enough, it did. If she became a nationwide psychic, she would get there by being right, by gaining enough recognition through her acuracy.

So many people have taken regualar joes off the street, put a camera in their face and said "Be psychic!", that the idea of psychic ability seems so much more far-fetched then it should. Why is it so hard to accept the fact the we exsist as a part of nature, connected to everything and everyone around us? Why is it so hard to believe that some of us are more sensitive to that connection, that we feel things or know things or see things in a different way. Just because we don't use our ears or our eyes or our hands to feel these things, dosen't mean it's not there, and it dosn't mean it's not worth recognition.

Throughout history mankind has searched for truth, hard evidence that something exsists or doesn't exsist, never thinking for a moment that it seems almost impossible to get physical proof on something that is not physical. Nothing is limited to this world, we are not the only things in the vast, endless, mindblowing expanse of a universe.

Knowledge is just a level of our understanding of our ignorance. Looking at all the things we do know, imagine what we've left to discover.

I just feel like it does't matter how much proof we have, we are going to feel like we need more and more and more until we can make it physical, and touch it and study it, but we can't do that....some things are not physical.

I hope nobody takes this as being rude, it's not my intent, I swear it, this is just my view of the situation, an observation if you will. I get a little passionate about these things.
I'm not saying that having physical proof isn't good, or that physcial proof isn't sometimes needed, I'm just saying that, when you think about it, there will never be physical proof for some of these things, and that is what I've come to accept.
wolfheart1
QUOTE(Goingcrazy @ Feb 11 2006, 06:03 PM) [snapback]1058386[/snapback]

I agree, Sylvia Brown is vile.

the women looks evil and rude . She's obviously only after money...
Imaginary Friend
Sylvia Brown

The Sylvia Brown Scam

ShaunZero
QUOTE(Apple @ Mar 8 2006, 07:06 PM) [snapback]1095152[/snapback]

Alot of people have a bad habit of of yelling "BAD LIAR! NO PSYCHIC, NOT YOU!" When an actual psychic steps into the light (this may be because of shows like Most Haunted.)

But consider this, while Most Haunted (proven a falsity) is a televised show with script and such, these people go on talk shows, where there are real people in the audiance. Now I can see how it could be a set up, I mean, it's not that difficult to pay an audiance memeber to act like what Ms. Brown is saying is true, but she has nationwide recognition. How can she be so accurate, you wonder? I've met a very powerful psychic, an old black lady named Mrs. Holmes, living in the rual area of my lovely Georgia. Shes an Automatic writer with an annoying ability to see into very personal aspects of your life, and to see what you have ahead of you, in very vivid detail.

My mother use to visit her, the few times I went, Mama brought back a piece of paper Mrs. Holmes had written on, whole sentences explaining what would happen, and sure enough, it did. If she became a nationwide psychic, she would get there by being right, by gaining enough recognition through her acuracy.

So many people have taken regualar joes off the street, put a camera in their face and said "Be psychic!", that the idea of psychic ability seems so much more far-fetched then it should. Why is it so hard to accept the fact the we exsist as a part of nature, connected to everything and everyone around us? Why is it so hard to believe that some of us are more sensitive to that connection, that we feel things or know things or see things in a different way. Just because we don't use our ears or our eyes or our hands to feel these things, dosen't mean it's not there, and it dosn't mean it's not worth recognition.

Throughout history mankind has searched for truth, hard evidence that something exsists or doesn't exsist, never thinking for a moment that it seems almost impossible to get physical proof on something that is not physical. Nothing is limited to this world, we are not the only things in the vast, endless, mindblowing expanse of a universe.

Knowledge is just a level of our understanding of our ignorance. Looking at all the things we do know, imagine what we've left to discover.

I just feel like it does't matter how much proof we have, we are going to feel like we need more and more and more until we can make it physical, and touch it and study it, but we can't do that....some things are not physical.

I hope nobody takes this as being rude, it's not my intent, I swear it, this is just my view of the situation, an observation if you will. I get a little passionate about these things.
I'm not saying that having physical proof isn't good, or that physcial proof isn't sometimes needed, I'm just saying that, when you think about it, there will never be physical proof for some of these things, and that is what I've come to accept.


Excellent post! And so true. I've stressed this alot. How do you get hard proof of something that is not physical? [human spirit]
Rosemary Campbell
QUOTE(ImOne @ Feb 12 2006, 10:11 PM) [snapback]1058926[/snapback]

I can't comment on Ms. Brown because I know little about her. What I can tell you is there is plenty of evidence for psychic phenomena. If you haven't found it you are simply looking in the wrong place or refuse to accept the truth.


Thank you.

The ones who trash Sylvia Browne and other Psychics are a bunch of no nothings who sit on their behinds and refuse to develop their own Psychic Abilities and search for the proof they keep whining about.

I believe anyone who applies themselves can learn to become Psychics and then they will know how hard it is to deal with people like I am reading on here who keep trashing Psychics.

Are you jealous of the Fees you say she earns?
Well if you have the fortitude to develop your own Psychic Abilities perhaps you can book yourself onto some of those shows and people will throw rotten tomatoes at you and then you will know what it feels like.

All you have to do to develop your own Psychic Abilities and learn how to do this see what it feels like to deal with mean people is to read the books written by Super Psychic Edgar Cayce and Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery and spend hours learning how to whet your psychic Abilities and I almost guarantee you in a very short time you will be seeing, talking to and doing automatic Writing with Guides beyond the Veil of Death.

You don't have to be a super brain to be a Psychic all you need is determination and staying power.


Rykster
If she has no qualms about charging $700 per 1/2 hour for a reading, then why would it be against her nature to just pick the winning Powerball numbers and retire? What a load of baloney. tongue.gif

If she doesn't like what I have to say, then let her call me and tell me so. She can figure out my number for herself. huh.gif
Bio-Mage
Sylvia brown is a prime example on people who prey on human insecurities to make money. Like we dont have enough of that already...
alchemistic
I’m no one to judge her. I don’t know her personally and as for the people she charges, they do so of their own will…

I also presume she has indeed “helped” some people alot, other wise her popularity just wouldn’t be.

I ask, since I know very little of this gents intent to offer 10K for someone to “prove” it to him. How has anyone come forward? What have they provided in the way of proof? We pretty much hear very little of that.

Have you seen any footage of anyone? I imagine if it were aired, he’d air the worst one, to make himself look good (again)

If I had a way to show him or “prove” it to him, I certainly would…but, having said that, I wouldn’t waste my time either just to be judged by someone who would be able to “dis-prove” me, even IF I was able TO prove it!

To subject yourself to ridicule and be challenged in an area where you simply cannot win…

For all I know he could say whatever he wanted to say (squelch on the bet so to speak)

Since I do not know him, why is he any different in terms of wanting “attention” in the media and wanting money?

He to me sounds somewhat like a negative person, a doomsayer and projects his own sh*t.

In other words, he too has found a niche to earn money and attention, and lot’s of it. And, his way is at the expense of people having hope.

Sorry, I’ll take the people that at least (even if it’s pretend) give, have and instill hope…as well as have compassion.

What Sylvia makes as far as money. Is there something wrong with her wanting or deserving to earn it? Is there supposed to be a limit a cap?

It’s just a figure and just because some peoples income doesn’t co inside with the “amounts” doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve it. (In other words, what’s the difference of the amount?) She could be charging $5.00 or $500.00, either way people will want to connect with her for her help and their hope.

(As a side note, you have no idea if she does volunteer work…work; help whatever for people who have no money) Neither do I, so I wouldn’t judge her…
Bio-Mage
She earns money not out of skill but rather out of desperation of those who seek her "giudance". If she really wanted to help, she could have done it in her spare time for free. Thank god for stupid people....
twopits
I have some psychic abilities and one of those abilities is being able to "read" people, and I believe Sylvia Browne to be a fraud.

Did none of you hear about her flip-flop on the miners that would be rescued, her "insights" reflected the news on their survival/non-survival. I can't remember where it was but this was very recently perhaps 2 months ago. She was a guest on a syndicated radio or TV show something like George Noory .... can't remember.

Psychics can't just call up anything they want to know, it will come to them or it will not. For me I need some connection and even then I may not tap in. God can be mysterious in what he/she wants us to know.
alchemistic
I don’t know, but some people sure have what seems to me as some unique and different money values and issues.

To say (providing she actually has the gift of seeing) that she should do it for free, kind of baffles me.

Maybe she already has, maybe she does, maybe she will again some day…who knows.

But, she’s human and so she needs to eat, she has wants and needs, so she charges. Maybe she has expensive taste, who cares. To me it’s of little consequence what she charges.

If I sought her out to have her read for me, and I had the money I might…if I didn’t I wouldn’t.

If I had some sort of other motives, like to see if she would do a reading for me for no money, just so I could say “Wow, you are a fake, if you really had a gift it would be for free”, that makes no sense to me.

And heck, how do I know she wouldn’t do it for free?

People seem to jump to conclusions quickly.
Maybe she has been wrong in some cases.

I remember when she said that Clinton would run again and Montel saying “But, he has already been in two terms so he can’t”. (I thought much the same as Montel.) But, she was steadfast in her claim. She said there would be a way that Clinton would run again.

Well, years later now and with the fact that Hillary may run for office, I can see how perception or interpitation could play a huge part. (This is why I would not subject myself to the securitization of the guy who wants to disprove)

And yes, there will be people saying that for every time she’s been right, she’s been wrong.

Ok, maybe…but, we would never know, since she has done readings for people that have never made it to the media….

It really doesn’t matter, she knows that not everyone will like her, or believe she can actually do what she does. Just as I know that not everyone would agree with me.

I’m not a “pro” Sylvia, or trying to defend her (she surely doesn’t need that from me) I am simply pointing out some of my beliefs and knowledge of how people interpit, perceive and judge things…
alchemistic
Oh yeah, that'll be $50.00 please!

LOL
Alisa
This is such an interesting thread to read with lots of intelligent input.

I found alchemistics comments very enlightening, especially about money. A person that uses their psychic abilities for their vocation should be able to charge whatever their services are worth to the customer. I wouldn't expect a mechanic to fix my car for free, or a plumber to fix my leaks or clogs for free. Though if they did, it would be nice wink2.gif.

As far as psychics helping out the police by calling up... I remember a documentary about psychics in which a woman psychic "saw" a murder take place and knew where the body was dumped. She contacted the police and ended up being held on suspicion of murder because she knew details that only the killer would know. Might make a psychic think twice about helping. I think it would be up to the police and society to want psychics to help as much as psychics wanting to help. As it is, psychic senses not considered a legitimate sense by everyone and are not admissable in court, etc.
Heebrow
this romanticized/hollywood spawned image of the psychic is what gives rise to common skeptic. Psychics are no different than any other human being other than the fact that they can read people well and are highly intuned with their immediate surroundings. These are traits any commoner has, its just a matter of whether you are smart enough to pick up details of your surroundings quickly. In other words if you have a high IQ chances are your likely to be a non self-proclaimed "psychic."

let us look at the definition of a 'psychic'
The individual who claims to be a psychic is most definately a highly intelligent individual. Led a very interesting highly social life in which they have intereacted with many many different kinds of people and thus understand how various types of people function.
A skill highly proclaimed by psychics is ability to read anothers mind. This skill is simple to attain and most of you already have it. In that the psychic's highly social experience in life has given one'self the ability to see how different people react to different situations (for example you have worriers you have panickers and you have dangerous anger-inclined people). They call it telepathy or clairvoyance or something along those lines. It is simply nothing more than a highly in tuned sense of being able to read a person's personality type in just hearing them speak 2 sentences. Truely ones response to a certain question will give away they're personality type more than enough for a "psychic" to read this.

Another largely debatd skill they have is predicting the future. Anyone and everyone (including psychics) take a shot in the dark when it comes to predicting the future. Most of the time out of 10 predictions a psychic will make chances are 2 of them will come true or at least come close to the type of prediction. How did they do this you ask monsiour Ignoramous? YOu must once again return to the mindset of the psychic, remember these are highly intuned people quite intelligent at that. Therefore they are highly up to date with the worlds current events(and can give interesting input from their own behalf). As far as making predictions anyones guess is as good as theirs. I have yet to hear of a human being being correct 10 out of 10 on future predictions. (for example some psychics predict great up-heaval in western society to come, inevitably US is gonna get it's bottom nipped for sticking its nose into too many of the wrong countries businesses. People will do all they can in their own power to dedicate their lives to bringing chaos to US{its in these peoples mindsets} a human being is a dangerous weapon especially one with money, status, good people skills, and a mean 2 face, darkside.)

Now the actual self-proclaimed ({sold out}) psychic will use these abilitys of high IQ and people skills to make some cash and open up a store claiming they are psychic so people come to them with questions of the universe, relationships, guidance. Now dont get me wrong there's no denying the fact people CAN benefit from these psychics, AS LONG as the psychic gives this person the correct advice. so in other words a good "psychic person" will read the personality of this individual and give the best advice they can give. DONT GET ME WRONG, Once the "psychic" has read the person's personality(depending on how good they are) they will give their own advice and if good enough they will just end up telling the customer what they initially wanted to hear. a good psychic always leaves one's crowd satisfied in that they give good-hearted advice.

(A problem i have with some true psychics is that they can get out of hand and begin to incorporate their own fantasy into reality, in this saying stupid stuff that gives immediate birth to skeptic. {my advice never try to incorporate fantasy into reality. Keep the two as seperate as being awake and being in dream-state} )

So in other words the image of the all-knowing, mind manipulating, future KNOWING psychic is but a hollywood stage item. IF you have good people skills and are naturally good at solving problems, YOU ARE ALREADY A PSYCHIC, if you dont, you are a commoner
and thus many commoners become skeptics of what they dont understand. (either you got it or you dont{a real something to be is someone with all these skills PLUS a strong empathy towards all living and even non-living things followed by the trait of letting the mind wander off to ideas of what life is all about} now im getting on the subject of a mystic, whoops...sidetracked wacko.gif )
Heebrow
sorry my wording sucks, basically what i tried to say is all there. other than the fact that i missed things like mental visions of the future or deja vu. Deja vu is a complete mystery, i know it exsists cuz not long ago i stood there and what i saw standing there i remember seeing once before many years ago already (probably in a dream). Stuff like that is eerily crazyness, and everyone who gets it knows. BUT once again its totally a random occurance so it makes the ability nothing special .

OH i also forgot to add the fact, any person who is by my definition a psychic, that thinks their special or better than others has the essence of evil. (not a good thing)
Heebrow
AHH i gotta pre-read wat i write before i post it haha hmm.gif

ALL in all i summerize everything i said in this. there is no special phenomenon going on with most psychics. However if one does have the ability to see things as good as Jean Grey, then yes that is supernatural. But from what ive seen , nobodys pulling off anything too astonishing, "psychics" who are helping out the cops and stuff are probably the typical "in my definition" psychic giving a helping hand, and probably dont end up doing much for solving the case anyways, otherwise we would hear publicity of a certain individual solving crimes just by standing in a crime scene. i havnt heard of more than the possible, lucked out one timer who guessed the obvious...

UNLESS they see things like Jean Grey, i dont think the hollywood protrayed "psychic" is possible. However a Highly in-tuned Mystic is the closest thing possible. but even at that is not anything special.

IF WE HAD PEOPLE THAT POWERFUL ON THIS PLANET THINGS WOULDNT BE GOING THE WAY THEY ARE so take that!
Megalomania
There's something called an edit button.

Anyway, we really need someone with lots of money to 'test' her.

i.e. Ask about the colours of certain belongings, how much their phone line costs a month, etc.
apm825
How about if we look at the people who have gone to her for help, then compare the number of people who will testify something positive impact or influence in their life with those that had a negative impact or influence.

I used to make fun of my wife for watching Montel on TV until after a few weeks just from walking through the room, I noticed how positive his focus on the show is.

btw, Sylvia is frequently on Montel.

Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods
arkland
If what Rob Lester says is true then alot of psychics are REALLY REALLY stupid or alredy extreamly ritch that 1.2million is a penny to them grin2.gif
ShadowDancer
I can't stand her. I tried reading one of her books. bleh. something along the lines of 'people who commit suicide, their spirit goes somewhere and they have to repent, hung, upside down, for 50 years"
what????!!!!
and to charge 700$ for a 20 min. phone reading? lol, now that is plain and simple charlatanism. A real phsychic who does readings isn't supposed to charge. I've been to a few, cause I think it's fun to see what they will come up with, some are true, some not, but those with the least accuracy charged alot, and those who were good, don't charge, you'd leave them a tip, whoever you decide fit. (usually 30$)

Oh, and whatever happened to John Edward, the other T.V. psychic.......?
Bio-Mage
Actually the correct answer is all of the above. Unfortunately there are a lot of idiots who pay for that...
Rosemary Campbell
I hope you don't mind me writing my two cents worth here but I have been channelling for those in the Spirit World who were killers when they were on Earth and they didn't burn in Hell and they are back down here writing and doing just fine.

I am not sure what they did when they reached the Spirit World to atone for their Sins but I do know they are here writing and I feel someone up there may have control over some of them because I don't just have spirits appearing unless they are given permission to be here.

And I believe you are right Psychics are just ordinary people or at least I am and I don't live any differently than anyone else does.

I have never appeared on Television and I have not had feature stories written about me but choose to just gather information and write about what I see and try to get others interested in doing this if they choose to.

Several times in the past I did pass along some information on cases of lost persons and things like that and I could have appeared on Television when they got wind of the information I had given someone which was accurate but I chose not to.

I must say thought some of the Reasons I have not appeared in Public is because of Information I gathered on Mobster Killers and I think it would be just as well if I don't show my face although I have not been threatened by anyone for writing the things I do so far anyway.
arkland
Im not saying im phychic but i have been able to see things in my head before they happen but not on any regular basis it's probly just my brians natural intuitiveness laugh.gif
novaceleste
QUOTE(Rosemary Campbell @ Mar 15 2006, 04:24 AM) [snapback]1105337[/snapback]

Thank you.

The ones who trash Sylvia Browne and other Psychics are a bunch of no nothings who sit on their behinds and refuse to develop their own Psychic Abilities and search for the proof they keep whining about.

I believe anyone who applies themselves can learn to become Psychics and then they will know how hard it is to deal with people like I am reading on here who keep trashing Psychics.

Are you jealous of the Fees you say she earns?
Well if you have the fortitude to develop your own Psychic Abilities perhaps you can book yourself onto some of those shows and people will throw rotten tomatoes at you and then you will know what it feels like.

All you have to do to develop your own Psychic Abilities and learn how to do this see what it feels like to deal with mean people is to read the books written by Super Psychic Edgar Cayce and Spiritual Writer Ruth Montgomery and spend hours learning how to whet your psychic Abilities and I almost guarantee you in a very short time you will be seeing, talking to and doing automatic Writing with Guides beyond the Veil of Death.

You don't have to be a super brain to be a Psychic all you need is determination and staying power.

You tell them! wink2.gif I think alot of people still don't want to believe that psychic powers are real, much less can be deveolped. I have started meditating on a regular basis and have found that I have had more visions, deja vu, synchroncities etc. I believe that it is possible if you have faith and as you stated - determination!
Pax Unum
since Browne declines to be tested under controlled conditions, and because her readings are indistinguishable from those achieved by mentalists (entertainers who create the illusion of being psychic by using techniques such as cold reading, warm reading and hot reading),

skeptics believe Browne to be a fraud and confidence artist, callously making money off of the pain and suffering of those grieving over the loss of their loved ones. She has been convicted of investment fraud and grand theft.

She also claims to know what it is like in Heaven. In her book Life On The Other Side, she says the temperature is a constant 72 degrees Fahrenheit, that there are no insects (unless you want there to be), that pets go to Heaven, and that you can build your house wherever you want it to be unless it obscures the view of a river or some trees, in which case you need permission.

She asserts that the other side exists approximately three feet above ground level and at a higher vibrational level and so is difficult for humans to perceive. However, she claims to have been born, like other psychics, able to perceive a wider range of vibrational frequencies.

Browne once declared that she could see angels. She said they had wings and looked exactly the same as they do in paintings.

Browne has made many predictions of varying accuracy concerning the future, including that Bill Clinton was falsely accused in the Lewinsky scandal (proved false), claiming that Bill Bradley would win the 2000 U.S. presidential election with the Reform Party coming in second, the "hiding in caves" of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, the death of bin Laden (later reported by the CIA as false), a verdict of "not guilty" in the Robert Blake case (later established true), and the appearance of alien life on Earth by the year 2010.

Her predictions have not touched upon some of the major events of the last few years such as the September 11, 2001 attacks or the wars in Afghanistan or Iraq (though Ms. Browne has stated she was not given the 9/11 information "beforehand", other than having rather disturbing dreams involving a lot of fire).

Most of her past predictions no longer appear on her website, but can be found on Internet archives such as the Wayback Machine. Browne's predictions for the year 2000, however, are still viewable directly on her site.

She acquired the surname Brown during the third of her four marriages, and enhanced it with a final e for her stage name.

Sylvia Browne
Megalomania
QUOTE(Rosemary Campbell @ Mar 15 2006, 09:24 PM) [snapback]1105337[/snapback]

Thank you.

The ones who trash Sylvia Browne and other Psychics are a bunch of no nothings who sit on their behinds and refuse to develop their own Psychic Abilities and search for the proof they keep whining about.


Was that a flame?
Heebrow
hEYbRowniAn JOuHoW to all hahahaha.. see as far as solving crimes for police...
I find if i tried to communicate with the afterlife mentally, its too likely that im just subconsciously answering my own questions. however i do believe that when u emit hard enough concentration you will receieve attention from other mental entities but in no way that one would be able to communicate with in conversation (Q&A format). IF anythign they're essence will be at your presence since you caught they're attention. i just dont think living people can consciously communicate two ways with devine entities... it defys nature{the individual subconscious could imagine many other people in your head}

DREAMSTATE. However is a completely different story, its possible to communicate with another in dreamstate, but who has the ability to control they're dreams so much as to remember the answers those persons gived when you asked is not known to me and probably happens maximum 3 times in one's lifetime.
novaceleste
The only hang up I have with her is why does she ALWAYS tell people that loved ones that have passed over send birds and butterflies. I have a butterfly gardem, so what is that suppose to mean? unsure.gif
firefly66
Holy talk about attack on Sylvia Browne! I would like to see how you would feel if someone openly cut down your faith, as Sylvia is a head of Novus Spiritus, many people look to her teachings for hope and direction. Do you see any of us cutting down Catholisism? Why would we bother? I don't really understand why so many people choose to berate Sylvia, did people treat Edgard Cayce this way? Oh my mistake, he didn't really charge much for his sessions, I will give you that, but for the amount of good her church has done for others, well it helped me out quite a bit. Have you ever actually sat down and read one of her books? If not maybe you should. I won't waste my time trying to convince you to believe in her, I could really care less if you do or do not, but please respect others beliefs, as they are very dear to them. I would never ever say something like: Oh, what a bunch of phonies those Catholics are, how could they believe that Jesus healed the sick with a mere touch, or that he rose magicaly from his grave, or that he turned water into wine, how could he possibly have been real? DUH, of course he was real, and I respect his work, why do you feel the need to be so offensive? In this day and age we are supposed to be tolerant of others, you sir are not.

Has your wife ever asked for 700$? If not who cares if she likes Sylvia? It is her business, and I am sure she does not appreciate your lack of support. Just because you do not believe in something does not mean you have to rip it apart like that. Prove to me she is a fake, she most certainly is not one hundered percent but she is most definately not a fake. That is my opinion, and I am sticking to it...you people who choose to cut apart my beleifs are rude and kind of mean. I feel sorry for you.
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The Skeptic Eric Raven
If this was a just world, Sylvia Browne would be rotting in jail, instead of bilking the deluded.
novaceleste
Hey, today is SB Wednesday! laugh.gif
One thing I laugh at is when she tells people that their loved ones that have past send birds and butterflies. What is that suppose to convince everyone??? I have a butterflies garden in my back yard, so does that mean my loved ones are always sending me signs? laugh.gif
firefly66
Wow for people who are a part of Unexplained Mysteries, you sure are close minded. I think whenever someone gets big, there are like a million people right there to tear them down. So sad, Sylvia only pulls in 35,000 a year, she is not rich, and she is a very awesome spiritual teacher. Don't bother watching Montel if you don't like her. I do not go to church, because I don't really agree with some of the philosphy told there. But I do respect them...that is why I stay away.
It is really too bad you can't open your mind a little bit more.
Love and light, Denise.
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