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Doctors claim suspended animation success

http://smh.com.au/news/health-and-fitness/...553739997.html#

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London: Researchers are testing potentially life-saving techniques for keeping humans in a state of suspended animation while surgeons repair their wounds.

US doctors have developed a method of inducing hypothermia to shut down the body's functions for up to three hours.

In tests, they reduced the body temperature of injured pigs from 37C to 10C before operating on them and then reviving them.

Now they are applying for permission to test the procedure on casualty patients without a pulse who have lost large amounts of blood, New Scientist magazine reported.

It is thought this method and others could one day be used on car crash and gunshot victims, as well as in the battlefield to treat wounded soldiers.

A surgeon at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, Hasan Alam, has tested the technique about 200 times on pigs, with a 90 per cent success rate.

First he anaesthetises the animal, then cuts a major vein and artery in its abdomen to simulate multiple gunshots to a person's chest and abdomen.
As the pig rapidly loses about half its blood and enters a state of shock, Dr Alam drains its blood and stores it before pumping chilled organ preservation fluid into its system.

The animal's body temperature falls to about 10C until it is in a state of "profound hypothermia" and has no pulse and no electrical activity in its brain.

But after the blood stored earlier is warmed and pumped back into the pig's body its heart starts beating again and it comes back to life.

"It is still pretty awe-inspiring," Dr Alam said. "Once the heart starts beating and the blood starts pumping, voila, you've got another animal that's come back from the other side.

"Technically, I think we can do it in humans."

He now wants automatic consent to use the technique on all patients brought to his hospital who have lost blood and would probably die with only standard care.

Other US researchers are working on methods to place organisms in suspended animation by exposing them to a cocktail of gases, including hydrogen sulphide.


How it could work

Physicians would allow a patient to bleed to death within minutes while recapturing the patient¿s blood and replacing it with a cold saline solution, putting the body into a state of suspended animation.

Normal body temperature, 37ºC Hypothermic body temperature, 10ºC

Brain death occurs in 4-5 minutes Brain can survive for 90-120 minutes

At critically low oxygen levels the cellular respiratory chain produces excessive amounts of toxic freeoxygen radicals, killing it¿s own cells.

Hypothermic body temperature, 10c

The saline solution flushes oxygencarrying blood from body tissue, shutting
down the cellular respiratory chain.

For every 10c drop in body temperature, the metabolic rate falls by 50 per cent.
artymoon
QUOTE(whoa182 @ Jan 24 2006, 12:13 AM) [snapback]1033795[/snapback]

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"It is still pretty awe-inspiring," Dr Alam said. "Once the heart starts beating and the blood starts pumping, voila, you've got another animal that's come back from the other side.




Maybe that is his real intention, seeing what a human sees on the 'other side'.
Or maybe not.
Pretty interesting though.
AztecInca
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surgeon at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston, Hasan Alam, has tested the technique about 200 times on pigs, with a 90 per cent success rate.


10% is still quite a large amount and its not even on humans. Although this will probably become quite a common pracrtice within our life times there is still a way to go yet.
AdNauseamSuiGeneris
I remember hearing something about this about a year ago only done on dogs. I don't understand why this is not major news. This is ground breaking, could be the biggest medical breakthrough of this century for all we know and i have not heard anything about it outside of the internet.

With the dog it was left for 3 hours I beleive just like the pigs, and reanimated with no brain damage and no damage to the nervous system or anything. Amazing.
angrycrustacean
It's kind of creepy, though...induced death? I can see some people having ethical problems with that, as it could be seen as cheating God and such. hmm.gif
Michelle
Something is puzzling about this... huh.gif

About a year ago one of my husbands friends had a heart attack. There was a big write up in the paper and all over local news about the doctor using this procedure during surgery. So, I know for a fact that's it's already been done successfully on humans, because he is alive and doing well.

Why is this article portraying it as still being in the testing stages??
whoa182
QUOTE(AztecInca @ Jan 24 2006, 08:39 AM) [snapback]1033897[/snapback]

10% is still quite a large amount and its not even on humans. Although this will probably become quite a common pracrtice within our life times there is still a way to go yet.


This will probably be common in my hamsters life, nevermind human life time!


This kind of proceedure would used on patients that have many bullet wounds or something, could be used in emergency medicine a lot. I see no reason why this therapy would have any ethical reasons. There would also be no other side, there would be 'nothing' only missed time for the patient.
Saint Macabre
interesting...and a bit creepy...like something out of a scifi novel...
Adramaleck
anyone seen 'flatliners'? lol

seems like they could do an even crazier version of that now only in real life... or was that based on a true story? it's been awhile since ive seen it

but this is awesome that they can keep people alive for much longer.
__Kratos__
QUOTE(AztecInca @ Jan 24 2006, 02:39 AM) [snapback]1033897[/snapback]

10% is still quite a large amount and its not even on humans. Although this will probably become quite a common pracrtice within our life times there is still a way to go yet.


Well for more serious cases that come through in the ER, a 1 in 10 chance is quite good. I agree though if it's solely for scheduled surgery.
Lord Umbarger
WOW! Just like in Futurama! Can I be "Bender"?
whoa182
when this procedure is successful on humans, wouldn't the legal definition of death will have to be changed?
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