the NWO allegedly goes all the way back to the 1700's
More History surrounding the NWO
1700's - Illuminati (Adam Weishaupt-Founder, Jesuit Priest and Freemason)
http://www.trunkerton.fsnet.co.uk/more_his...ing_the_nwo.htm
so I am curious as to what is taking so dang long ?
I mean i I were in charge I'd be running the world by now
I cant imagine sitting in a room with my NWO buddies
"Hey Frank, I gots an idea."
"What's that George ?"
"Well how about we set up the NWO so maybe our group can be running the whole world in about 300 years !"
"Oh, my Goddddddd. George that is such a great idea, our great great grandkids will be so cool."
yup thats how i picture it
1/2 a dozen men sitting around snorting snuff just wishing the best for future generations
i mean seriously
wth is taking so long ?
if my kids are destined to live a life af great poverty and depression and nuclear fallout, just do it already, will ya ?
Full Version: NWO what is taking so dang long ?
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QUOTE(et's daddy @ Jan 24 2006, 03:58 PM) [snapback]1034411[/snapback]
the NWO allegedly goes all the way back to the 1700's
More History surrounding the NWO
1700's - Illuminati (Adam Weishaupt-Founder, Jesuit Priest and Freemason)
http://www.trunkerton.fsnet.co.uk/more_his...ing_the_nwo.htm
so I am curious as to what is taking so dang long ?
I mean i I were in charge I'd be running the world by now
I cant imagine sitting in a room with my NWO buddies
"Hey Frank, I gots an idea."
"What's that George ?"
"Well how about we set up the NWO so maybe our group can be running the whole world in about 300 years !"
"Oh, my Goddddddd. George that is such a great idea, our great great grandkids will be so cool."
yup thats how i picture it
1/2 a dozen men sitting around snorting snuff just wishing the best for future generations
i mean seriously
wth is taking so long ?
if my kids are destined to live a life af great poverty and depression and nuclear fallout, just do it already, will ya ?
Who's to say they haven't
They haven't started the NWO yet because they are waiting for a certain man to appear, who'll rise to political power when he comes.
but isnt the illuminati behind the NWO ?
i mean what have they been doing for 300 years ?
i mean what have they been doing for 300 years ?
World domination is not easy, they need a lot of time to plan this. Everything is already set up and ready to go, they just need to wait for their leader who will set the final stage for it to begin, time is short, it will start very soon by the way things are happening in the world right now.
QUOTE(et's daddy @ Jan 24 2006, 03:58 PM) [snapback]1034411[/snapback]
the NWO allegedly goes all the way back to the 1700's
More History surrounding the NWO
1700's - Illuminati (Adam Weishaupt-Founder, Jesuit Priest and Freemason)
http://www.trunkerton.fsnet.co.uk/more_his...ing_the_nwo.htm
so I am curious as to what is taking so dang long ?
I mean i I were in charge I'd be running the world by now
I cant imagine sitting in a room with my NWO buddies
"Hey Frank, I gots an idea."
"What's that George ?"
"Well how about we set up the NWO so maybe our group can be running the whole world in about 300 years !"
"Oh, my Goddddddd. George that is such a great idea, our great great grandkids will be so cool."
yup thats how i picture it
1/2 a dozen men sitting around snorting snuff just wishing the best for future generations
i mean seriously
wth is taking so long ?
if my kids are destined to live a life af great poverty and depression and nuclear fallout, just do it already, will ya ?
Finally someone who makes some bloody sense.
I kind of have to agree with mysterylight.
Remember, just because the original people who set it up die, doesn't mean the idea dies with them. It's all about secret societies. Like a fraternity, constantly making new members ensures that it can go on for ages.
I think in the end, Satan is setting up his kingdom as the Antichrist. Which is why seems like generations in planning. But at the same time, only God knows.
"I came to Strasbourg convinced of the need for a united States of Europe. I leave with certainty that union is possible today. I feel like I'm part of the old roman empire.
We do not want another committee. We have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all people, and to lift us out of the economic morass in which we are sinking. Send us such a man and be he God or the devil, we will receive him."
--Paul Henry Spock( former Belgian PM) August 1949 at European community
Like it or not, that's my answer
Remember, just because the original people who set it up die, doesn't mean the idea dies with them. It's all about secret societies. Like a fraternity, constantly making new members ensures that it can go on for ages.
I think in the end, Satan is setting up his kingdom as the Antichrist. Which is why seems like generations in planning. But at the same time, only God knows.
"I came to Strasbourg convinced of the need for a united States of Europe. I leave with certainty that union is possible today. I feel like I'm part of the old roman empire.
We do not want another committee. We have too many already. What we want is a man of sufficient stature to hold the allegiance of all people, and to lift us out of the economic morass in which we are sinking. Send us such a man and be he God or the devil, we will receive him."
--Paul Henry Spock( former Belgian PM) August 1949 at European community
Like it or not, that's my answer
haven't you guys thought about such things as the world wars and 9/11? pfft.
Hey, where have you guys been in my threads? I need some backup, I'm getting bashed by the republican kids. Look in the world events forum...
The nwo SUCKS, 
I give them little reconition as they think they will win, they will not. It is because they will ruin it for themselves. Do you think that current government organisations can organise the world, I think not. They are too stupid and nieve to relise that they are dumb as dog sh**, as you say. There is a higher power that not too many people know about, and they are the power behind the current powers, the brains as you call it behind the nwo. They will not show themselves now, but when the nwo loses out, then we will find out who really controls this world. We must prepare for this new threat, for they do exist, a magician shows you one hand while he does his trick in another. So watch out for it will happen! 
I give them little reconition as they think they will win, they will not. It is because they will ruin it for themselves. Do you think that current government organisations can organise the world, I think not. They are too stupid and nieve to relise that they are dumb as dog sh**, as you say. There is a higher power that not too many people know about, and they are the power behind the current powers, the brains as you call it behind the nwo. They will not show themselves now, but when the nwo loses out, then we will find out who really controls this world. We must prepare for this new threat, for they do exist, a magician shows you one hand while he does his trick in another. So watch out for it will happen!
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it will start very soon by the way things are happening in the world right now.
Yes, because obviously the world is more troubled than it ever was in the past... Especially during around 1914-1918 and 1939-1945
To be blunt about it, if you don't know about the new world order, you are ignorant. Considering that's most of the world population, odds are pretty good, you fall in that group.
Countless leaders have called for a new world order, and you think we are delusional. You are blind, simple as that.
Here are some quotes from the first President George Bush:
"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective - a new world order - can emerge. We are now in sight of a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its founders."
--September 11, 1990
"(The Gulf Crisis) has to do with a new world order. And that world order is only going to be enhanced if this newly activated peacekeeping function of the United Nations proves to be effective."
--January 9, 1991
"When we are successful, and WE WILL BE, we have real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the UN's founders."
--January 16, 1991
Countless leaders have called for a new world order, and you think we are delusional. You are blind, simple as that.
Here are some quotes from the first President George Bush:
"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective - a new world order - can emerge. We are now in sight of a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its founders."
--September 11, 1990
"(The Gulf Crisis) has to do with a new world order. And that world order is only going to be enhanced if this newly activated peacekeeping function of the United Nations proves to be effective."
--January 9, 1991
"When we are successful, and WE WILL BE, we have real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the UN's founders."
--January 16, 1991
"To be blunt about it, if you don't know about the new world order, you are ignorant"
no see whats ignorant is choosing to ignore the deaths, wars, famines and pestillence thats been happening since the dawn of mankind and to explain away all the evils in the world by conjuring up illusions of a "New World Order" to help make life easier for yous when you cant accept man is inherently evil and it is perfectly natural for mankind to act in this way. This New World Order is not the problem[as it doesnt exist], me, you and everyone else on this planet are the problem.
also the entire world being emalgemated under one umbrella goverment isnt really that crazy, its basicaly the most advanced sociological step man could acheive and will erradicate all wars and the rest of the horseman, IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. Gene rodenberry had the right idea, infact just about every sci-fi writer hints at this will basically be the out come, its only natural unless were damned to an orwellian future, and i kinda think georgy boy has been right been right all along.
no see whats ignorant is choosing to ignore the deaths, wars, famines and pestillence thats been happening since the dawn of mankind and to explain away all the evils in the world by conjuring up illusions of a "New World Order" to help make life easier for yous when you cant accept man is inherently evil and it is perfectly natural for mankind to act in this way. This New World Order is not the problem[as it doesnt exist], me, you and everyone else on this planet are the problem.
also the entire world being emalgemated under one umbrella goverment isnt really that crazy, its basicaly the most advanced sociological step man could acheive and will erradicate all wars and the rest of the horseman, IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. Gene rodenberry had the right idea, infact just about every sci-fi writer hints at this will basically be the out come, its only natural unless were damned to an orwellian future, and i kinda think georgy boy has been right been right all along.
QUOTE(PLO @ Jan 26 2006, 04:17 PM) [snapback]1037215[/snapback]
"To be blunt about it, if you don't know about the new world order, you are ignorant"
no see whats ignorant is choosing to ignore the deaths, wars, famines and pestillence thats been happening since the dawn of mankind and to explain away all the evils in the world by conjuring up illusions of a "New World Order" to help make life easier for yous when you cant accept man is inherently evil and it is perfectly natural for mankind to act in this way. This New World Order is not the problem[as it doesnt exist], me, you and everyone else on this planet are the problem.
also the entire world being emalgemated under one umbrella goverment isnt really that crazy, its basicaly the most advanced sociological step man could acheive and will erradicate all wars and the rest of the horseman, IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING. Gene rodenberry had the right idea, infact just about every sci-fi writer hints at this will basically be the out come, its only natural unless were damned to an orwellian future, and i kinda think georgy boy has been right been right all along.
Of course humans are bad. No one is doubting that. What you are doubting is the creation of the new world order because of that very reason. You think I'm making this all up, and that there is no plan to plan to create a world government but then go ahead and say that we need a new world order, and that it would be a good thing. It was decided that the masses could not take care of themselves and would not make the nessasary sacrafices to garuntee that civilization could continue. It's obvious you don't understand what the new world order represents. It's being sold as humanities saviour, to prevent all future wars and economic crises. It's actually a big scam, by the richest men on earth, to gather all nations under their total social and economic control.
I would like to see you define the new world order/world government. It's hard, but I would like to see you try. It may force you to do some research, and then you might wake up.
P.S. Your flag is the Palistinian lieberation organization. Do you know that israeli inteligence Mossad's motto is by way of deception, thou shalt do war. According to an ex-mossad agent, mossad are experts as dressing up as arabs, commiting crimes, so the witnesses say they saw arabs, and then the arabs are blamed. I thought this might interest you. Check this book out:
By Way of Deception by Victor Ostrovsky
Personaly I support Israel and the jews, but just like I don't trust the CIA, I don't trust Mossad.
I guess it's a man made new world order that I refuse to join. So many men have so many plans for the perfect man designed new world order. There's lots of books about it. Lots of people have thought they would bring it.
But then I believe in supernatural, so there's another aspect that I look at that probably seems kooky to some other thought systems. *shrugs shoulders* I've no problem kicking back a pint and conversing about the weather or whatever too.
But then I believe in supernatural, so there's another aspect that I look at that probably seems kooky to some other thought systems. *shrugs shoulders* I've no problem kicking back a pint and conversing about the weather or whatever too.
there isnt any proof that the illumanati is anything more than a bunch of wack jobs spreading strange rumors. also there isnt any proof that a nwo is ever going to exist. even if it does, the us wont be involved and we will fight against it, which basically means it will never happen
QUOTE(scoobysnack @ Jan 26 2006, 03:56 PM) [snapback]1037124[/snapback]
To be blunt about it, if you don't know about the new world order, you are ignorant. Considering that's most of the world population, odds are pretty good, you fall in that group.
Countless leaders have called for a new world order, and you think we are delusional. You are blind, simple as that.
Here are some quotes from the first President George Bush:
"Out of these troubled times, our fifth objective - a new world order - can emerge. We are now in sight of a United Nations that performs as envisioned by its founders."
--September 11, 1990
"(The Gulf Crisis) has to do with a new world order. And that world order is only going to be enhanced if this newly activated peacekeeping function of the United Nations proves to be effective."
--January 9, 1991
"When we are successful, and WE WILL BE, we have real chance at this new world order, an order in which a credible United Nations can use its peacekeeping role to fulfill the promise and vision of the UN's founders."
--January 16, 1991
i never said i didnt know about the NWO
or even that i didnt believe they exist, or that gears are in motion
what im asking is, why is it taking so long ?
i mean really
seems if these people control so much of what goes on in the world then it should be easier for them to take over
they dont seem to be very competent
hmmm wake up you say thats good.
"I would like to see you define the new world order/world government"
Star Trek. That about encompases the utopian ideology of a world goverment, its hardly a new concept. But the fact is completely ignoring the logical progression of mans rather unfortunate and chequered past isnt really, wakeing up as you say, i see that as damning myself to ignorance. But yes, you are right in that we are basicaly being tricked by the rich into scamin us for all we got but so what?, its called capatilism. You should read up on European history during the times of the Dutch Republic and the East Indian Companys, their prime examples of how its all about the money and were being damned to repeat it, but we cant do nothing becuase as time moves on the system[or machine] gets more and more refined which duly cuases people a lot of stress to the point they think something terrible is going on. And their right, but it isnt a vast global wide conspiracy[though such things do happen] its humanity. I wonder if the vastly wealthy venetian trading houses and merchant princes were in on this? or rich arab slave owners during the countless Egyptian Dynasties, even Ghengis Khan perhaps?
You can keep beliving in all this if you like, but it isnt real, its perfectly natural for people to horde and abuse others with little to no regard. Its basicaly a pyramid. There needs to be so many at the bottom to support those at the top, of which their are less. Its like they want you to beleive it, much like the american goverment loves people to beleive in aliens so they can be distracted and not really find out whats going on. Diss-Information i think its called.
"I would like to see you define the new world order/world government"
Star Trek. That about encompases the utopian ideology of a world goverment, its hardly a new concept. But the fact is completely ignoring the logical progression of mans rather unfortunate and chequered past isnt really, wakeing up as you say, i see that as damning myself to ignorance. But yes, you are right in that we are basicaly being tricked by the rich into scamin us for all we got but so what?, its called capatilism. You should read up on European history during the times of the Dutch Republic and the East Indian Companys, their prime examples of how its all about the money and were being damned to repeat it, but we cant do nothing becuase as time moves on the system[or machine] gets more and more refined which duly cuases people a lot of stress to the point they think something terrible is going on. And their right, but it isnt a vast global wide conspiracy[though such things do happen] its humanity. I wonder if the vastly wealthy venetian trading houses and merchant princes were in on this? or rich arab slave owners during the countless Egyptian Dynasties, even Ghengis Khan perhaps?
You can keep beliving in all this if you like, but it isnt real, its perfectly natural for people to horde and abuse others with little to no regard. Its basicaly a pyramid. There needs to be so many at the bottom to support those at the top, of which their are less. Its like they want you to beleive it, much like the american goverment loves people to beleive in aliens so they can be distracted and not really find out whats going on. Diss-Information i think its called.
Of course there is a NWO. Part of their plan is to crash the U.S. dollar and make this a third world country along with Mexico and Canada. That's why they opened the borders to anyone who wants in. They are sucking the life right out of the U.S.
It's all understandable though when you think about it. The "War Boom Babies" also called the "Hippie Generation" are the largest population group in the U.S. As they get older the average age of most Americans get older. They will be retiring in the next twenty years. They are expecting everything that was promised to them that they have been paying for since the 1950's, Social Security, Medicare. Also they will be cashing in lots and lots of stocks.
Well there is no money, the politicians have spent it all. They say that there will only be two workers to pay for one retired Baby Boomer's Social Security instead of the 5 you have today. Not enough...the workers have to eat too. Add that to all the illegals that will be put on Social Security that never paid into it.
Then look at the stock maket. Any expert will tell you these companies are all overpriced and could never buy their stocks back.
Working Baby Boomers were a asset to the government. Retired useless eaters are a liability. The powers behind the scene know all hell is about to break lose when the Baby Boomers find out they have been robbed. The government isn't about to get lynched and jailed for these crimes so it them or us as far as they are concerned. In other words a lot of people have to be elimiated by any means at their disposal.
Thats why you have new deseases popping up out of nowhere all the time. Tidal Waves, Hurricanes, terroists. watch for these thing to pick up pace in the coming years. Also watch for people dieing off at alarming rates by mysterious unexplained things. Hell one nucleur bomb going off in an American city would be enough for them to declare martial law and just haul off all the old people and dispose of them.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/febru...entioncamps.htm
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It's all understandable though when you think about it. The "War Boom Babies" also called the "Hippie Generation" are the largest population group in the U.S. As they get older the average age of most Americans get older. They will be retiring in the next twenty years. They are expecting everything that was promised to them that they have been paying for since the 1950's, Social Security, Medicare. Also they will be cashing in lots and lots of stocks.
Well there is no money, the politicians have spent it all. They say that there will only be two workers to pay for one retired Baby Boomer's Social Security instead of the 5 you have today. Not enough...the workers have to eat too. Add that to all the illegals that will be put on Social Security that never paid into it.
Then look at the stock maket. Any expert will tell you these companies are all overpriced and could never buy their stocks back.
Working Baby Boomers were a asset to the government. Retired useless eaters are a liability. The powers behind the scene know all hell is about to break lose when the Baby Boomers find out they have been robbed. The government isn't about to get lynched and jailed for these crimes so it them or us as far as they are concerned. In other words a lot of people have to be elimiated by any means at their disposal.
Thats why you have new deseases popping up out of nowhere all the time. Tidal Waves, Hurricanes, terroists. watch for these thing to pick up pace in the coming years. Also watch for people dieing off at alarming rates by mysterious unexplained things. Hell one nucleur bomb going off in an American city would be enough for them to declare martial law and just haul off all the old people and dispose of them.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/febru...entioncamps.htm
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Now look at the debt the U.S. is in right now. 8 trillion, 2.08 billion of debt every day. who is holding most of this debt? China. They hold the repossession papers on the U.S. They already own us, it's just a matter of taking possesion. The U.S government know this and will be running off to their safe havens in Australia or whereever. That's why the big corporation are moving their assests out of here.
If you remember a few years back Jimmy Carter gave the Panama Canal back to Panama. Guess who got the contract and runs it now. China. Now what do you think they have been shipping into the canal in big containers and storing in Mexico? Weapons.
Now as any of you know there are already millions of illegal Mexicans in the U.S. all over this country. All they need is to be armed with these weapons from China and then have a large army of Chinese to come in and back them up and we are toast. Passing gun laws will only help them by having less resistance.
Of course you are thinking our army would stop them. Think again, our army is being scattered all over the globe. what is worse is they are even being killed off. Yes they are being forced to use Depeleted Uranium or DU tipped weapons. Not only are our soldiers killing terrorist but they are killing themselves with this radiation. They called it the Gulf War Syndrome but the government to this day will not admit it is radiation poison.
I'm not sure of this figure but I read one time that over half of the soldiers that fought in Gulf War 1 are either sick or dead. They say this last war we used even more of these dirty weapons. Now if we have a government that will do that to their own soldiers do you seriously think they wouldn't hesitate to eliminate you?
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If you remember a few years back Jimmy Carter gave the Panama Canal back to Panama. Guess who got the contract and runs it now. China. Now what do you think they have been shipping into the canal in big containers and storing in Mexico? Weapons.
Now as any of you know there are already millions of illegal Mexicans in the U.S. all over this country. All they need is to be armed with these weapons from China and then have a large army of Chinese to come in and back them up and we are toast. Passing gun laws will only help them by having less resistance.
Of course you are thinking our army would stop them. Think again, our army is being scattered all over the globe. what is worse is they are even being killed off. Yes they are being forced to use Depeleted Uranium or DU tipped weapons. Not only are our soldiers killing terrorist but they are killing themselves with this radiation. They called it the Gulf War Syndrome but the government to this day will not admit it is radiation poison.
I'm not sure of this figure but I read one time that over half of the soldiers that fought in Gulf War 1 are either sick or dead. They say this last war we used even more of these dirty weapons. Now if we have a government that will do that to their own soldiers do you seriously think they wouldn't hesitate to eliminate you?
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"Of course there is a NWO. Part of their plan is to crash the U.S. dollar and make this a third world country along with Mexico and Canada. That's why they opened the borders to anyone who wants in. They are sucking the life right out of the U.S."
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM a while ago the NWO was america trying to dominate the world with the U.N. Now that obviously the political climate has changed your trying to fit the NWO into it. With what evidence, explain to me China, Russia and Iran are involved with the "NWO", did all of a sudden billionare american busines defect coutnrys?
HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM a while ago the NWO was america trying to dominate the world with the U.N. Now that obviously the political climate has changed your trying to fit the NWO into it. With what evidence, explain to me China, Russia and Iran are involved with the "NWO", did all of a sudden billionare american busines defect coutnrys?
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Yes they are being forced to use Depeleted Uranium or DU tipped weapons. Not only are our soldiers killing terrorist but they are killing themselves with this radiation.
*sigh* DU is only dangerous when injested. I'd sure rather have DU armour protecting the lives of the tank crew than not. Using DU ends up saving the soldier's lives more than it does kill them.
actualy depleted Uranium cuases a lot of nasty devastation to your immune system when exposed for prolonged periods. Theres been countles medical study on the subject. Cancer rates in the Iraqi people have risen quite dramaticly.
and also the enviroment it screws that over aswell.
DU is dangerous when ingested, WHAT????
and also the enviroment it screws that over aswell.
DU is dangerous when ingested, WHAT????
The studies have revealed that the alpha particles that are released by the DU can be stopped by a simple sheet of paper. Our troops also wear things known as clothes. I'd rather be in a vehicle protected by DU armour in the middle of a war than to be in a vehicle without that DU armour.
if you are incased in a vehicle of depleted Uranium you will get heavy metal poisening. If a DU shell its the ground it will then spread radio-active material into the air and atmosphere, which people will breath in.
out of interest can you show this evidence that pieces of paper can halt Uranium U-238 ,one of the most radioactive materials known.
out of interest can you show this evidence that pieces of paper can halt Uranium U-238 ,one of the most radioactive materials known.
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if you are incased in a vehicle of depleted Uranium you will get heavy metal poisening.
No you wont. The particles are blocked by the skin and the clothes. You'll be fine unless you start maybe licking the armour. In the end, I'd much rather have the protection of the DU. A round from the enemy is MUCH MUCH MUCH more likely to kill you than sitting in a vehicle armoured with DU.
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If a DU shell its the ground it will then spread radio-active material into the air and atmosphere, which people will breath in.
Any fragments that seperate from the shell are heavier than air and thus fall to the ground. Are you aware that normal, non DU rounds are also dangerous to injest? If you somehow managed to injest fragments of conventional shells, I'm quite sure you'll be sick too...
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out of interest can you show this evidence that pieces of paper can halt Uranium U-238 ,one of the most radioactive materials known.
Its called Depleted Uranium for a reason. Im not sure, but I dont think it even qualifies as U-238 either, since it's depleted. I'll get you the link once I get home from school though.
"The particles are blocked by the skin and the clothes"
no it depends on how long your exposed to it, your skin and clothes will block it to a point then will be unable too after certain amounts of exposure. Its a bit like the sun, after all that is radiation too.
"U-238 either, since it's depleted"
U-238 is the byproduct of enriching natural Uranium, its called depleted, not because it has no uranium in it but becuase its a waste product. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) defines depleted uranium as uranium in which the percentage of the 235U isotope by weight is less than 0.711, now this then is dependent on how heavy the munitions are to how much is in the radiation basicaly.
you seem to think that ingesting munition rounds is a done thing, why?
"In the end, I'd much rather have the protection of the DU"
i wouldnt. Find out how many servicemen from theatres of war such as yugoslavia and the Gulf get Leukemia after fighting there. Its a lot.
no it depends on how long your exposed to it, your skin and clothes will block it to a point then will be unable too after certain amounts of exposure. Its a bit like the sun, after all that is radiation too.
"U-238 either, since it's depleted"
U-238 is the byproduct of enriching natural Uranium, its called depleted, not because it has no uranium in it but becuase its a waste product. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) defines depleted uranium as uranium in which the percentage of the 235U isotope by weight is less than 0.711, now this then is dependent on how heavy the munitions are to how much is in the radiation basicaly.
you seem to think that ingesting munition rounds is a done thing, why?
"In the end, I'd much rather have the protection of the DU"
i wouldnt. Find out how many servicemen from theatres of war such as yugoslavia and the Gulf get Leukemia after fighting there. Its a lot.
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If you remember a few years back Jimmy Carter gave the Panama Canal back to Panama. Guess who got the contract and runs it now. China. Now what do you think they have been shipping into the canal in big containers and storing in Mexico? Weapons.
Now as any of you know there are already millions of illegal Mexicans in the U.S. all over this country. All they need is to be armed with these weapons from China and then have a large army of Chinese to come in and back them up and we are toast. Passing gun laws will only help them by having less resistance.
Ummm, sorry, but the Panama Canal is run by the Panama Canal Association (ACP), which is a PANAMANIAN governmental agency. The board of directors is all either Euro-Caucasian or Hispanic of some flavor - no Asians amongst them. The board is also bound by Panamanian law to hire ONLY Panamanian contractors to do the day to day operation.
Therefore: Your comments are bogus.
And your assertion that "over half of the soldiers that fought in Gulf War 1 are either sick or dead" is so far afield that it is laughable. To the hundreds of vets that get together each year for unit reunions, and see ALL of their buddies, this will come as a huge surprise. I think your assertion is just wishful thinking. Try again.
plus there was somethign ridiculous like half a million soldiers in and around Kuwaiti/Iraqi borders. Half of them did not die.
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Ummm, sorry, but the Panama Canal is run by the Panama Canal Association (ACP), which is a PANAMANIAN governmental agency. The board of directors is all either Euro-Caucasian or Hispanic of some flavor - no Asians amongst them. The board is also bound by Panamanian law to hire ONLY Panamanian contractors to do the day to day operation.
Therefore: Your comments are bogus.
Bogus?
http://www.conservativeusa.org/panama-washtimes.htm
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China company grabs power over Panama Canal
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By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
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enate Majority Leader Trent Lott recently wrote to Defense Secretary William S. Cohen that a Chinese shipping company is gaining broad authority over the Panama Canal and could deny passage to U.S. ships.
"It appears that we have given away the farm without a shot being fired," the Mississippi Republican said in the Aug. 1 letter requesting Mr. Cohen's security assessment.
It was the first time a congressional leader has raised questions about growing Chinese influence over one of the world's most strategic waterways. Until now, warnings were being raised primarily by a handful of conservative lawmakers, led by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California Republican, who plans a fact-finding trip to Panama on Monday.
The focus of concern is Hutchinson Whampoa Ltd., a giant Hong Kong-based shipping firm with ties to China's leadership and its armed forces, the People's Liberation Army (PLA).
Under circumstances the U.S. Embassy in Panama called unusual, the government in 1997 awarded Hutchinson a 25- to 50-year contract to run the two major ports on the canal's Atlantic and Pacific entrances.
Moreover, conservatives assert that Panama gave Hutchinson broader powers in legislation known as "Law No. 5."
Al Santoli, an aide to Mr. Rohrabacher, said the law enables Hutchinson to assign the pilots who take control of ships and steer them through the canal. He also said the Chinese company can block passage of ships to meet its business needs.
This contention was challenged by a spokesman for the Panama Canal Commission, a panel of five Americans and four Panamanians who run the waterway. The Panama Canal Commission spokesman said the treaty gives the United States the right to intervene militarily to protect access.
Mr. Lott wrote to Mr. Cohen, "This administration is allowing a scenario to develop where U.S. national security interests could not be protected without confronting the Chinese communists in the Americas. U.S. naval ships will be at the mercy of Chinese-controlled pilots and could even be denied passage through the Panama Canal by Hutchinson, an arm of the People's Liberation Army.
"In addition, the Chinese Communist Party will gain an intelligence information advantage by controlling this strategic chokepoint. It appears that we have given away the farm without a shot being fired."
The senator sent the letter based on an article in Insight magazine, a sister publication of The Washington Times, that detailed Hutchinson's ties to the PLA. The Times first reported in 1997 that Hutchinson had gained control of the port of Balboa on the Pacific and Cristobal on the Atlantic.
The United States is the No. 1 user of the canal that carries 13,000 ships per year.
The U.S. military is abandoning bases in Panama under a 1977 treaty, signed by President Carter, that gives canal ownership to Panama, effective Dec. 31.
Mr. Santoli said the canal is part of a Chinese strategy to move into countries abandoned by the United States and the former Soviet Union. In Cuba, for example, Chinese intelligence officials are helping Cuba build a communications facility, he said.
"They're using Panama as a staging area for the region," Mr. Santoli said. "They're doing a massive amount of construction, a lot of investment. Literally hundreds of mainland Chinese are moving into Panama at all levels."
The Miami Herald on Monday quoted Panama's ousted intelligence chief as accusing his country's president, Ernesto Perez Balladares, of personally demanding visas for 140 Chinese immigrants.
The newspaper said the U.S. Justice Department is investigating a scheme in which Chinese immigrants paid $15,000 each for visas to use Panama as a staging area for illegal entry into the United States.
The Panama debate comes amid broader questions about China's strategic intentions and criticism of President Clinton's pro-Beijing policies from both Democrats and Republicans.
Military experts say a pattern of Chinese actions reveals a long-range strategic plan to dominate Asia and exert influence worldwide. The moves include its forays in Panama, its failed attempt to take over the old Long Beach, Calif., naval base, its suspected spying at U.S. nuclear labs, its illegal injection of campaign cash into Democratic Party coffers and its increased military spending, especially on nuclear weapons.
Reporting on a trip he and outside experts made to Panama in June, Mr. Santoli wrote in a report, "The delegation was concerned about the growing presence of communist China directly at the canal and in the region. Panama has become the central base of operations for communist China in Latin America."
Mr. Santoli said a Hutchinson subsidiary in Panama, Panama Ports Co., is partly owned by China Resources Enterprise, the commercial arm of the Chinese Ministry of Trade.
The Senate Governmental Affairs Committee has identified the Ministry of Trade as a conduit for "espionage -- economic, political and military -- for China."
Mr. Santoli said Li Kashing, chairman of Hutchinson, has served as a middleman for PLA dealings with the West, including satellite purchases from Hughes Corp.
Some downplay potential problems with Hutchinson's role in canal operations. For example, a former staffer to Sen. Jesse Helms, North Carolina Republican, issued a report in 1997 dismissing the company as a security threat.
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By Rowan Scarborough
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
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enate Majority Leader Trent Lott recently wrote to Defense Secretary William S. Cohen that a Chinese shipping company is gaining broad authority over the Panama Canal and could deny passage to U.S. ships.
"It appears that we have given away the farm without a shot being fired," the Mississippi Republican said in the Aug. 1 letter requesting Mr. Cohen's security assessment.
It was the first time a congressional leader has raised questions about growing Chinese influence over one of the world's most strategic waterways. Until now, warnings were being raised primarily by a handful of conservative lawmakers, led by Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, California Republican, who plans a fact-finding trip to Panama on Monday.
The focus of concern is Hutchinson Whampoa Ltd., a giant Hong Kong-based shipping firm with ties to China's leadership and its armed forces, the People's Liberation Army (PLA).
Under circumstances the U.S. Embassy in Panama called unusual, the government in 1997 awarded Hutchinson a 25- to 50-year contract to run the two major ports on the canal's Atlantic and Pacific entrances.
Moreover, conservatives assert that Panama gave Hutchinson broader powers in legislation known as "Law No. 5."
Al Santoli, an aide to Mr. Rohrabacher, said the law enables Hutchinson to assign the pilots who take control of ships and steer them through the canal. He also said the Chinese company can block passage of ships to meet its business needs.
This contention was challenged by a spokesman for the Panama Canal Commission, a panel of five Americans and four Panamanians who run the waterway. The Panama Canal Commission spokesman said the treaty gives the United States the right to intervene militarily to protect access.
Mr. Lott wrote to Mr. Cohen, "This administration is allowing a scenario to develop where U.S. national security interests could not be protected without confronting the Chinese communists in the Americas. U.S. naval ships will be at the mercy of Chinese-controlled pilots and could even be denied passage through the Panama Canal by Hutchinson, an arm of the People's Liberation Army.
"In addition, the Chinese Communist Party will gain an intelligence information advantage by controlling this strategic chokepoint. It appears that we have given away the farm without a shot being fired."
The senator sent the letter based on an article in Insight magazine, a sister publication of The Washington Times, that detailed Hutchinson's ties to the PLA. The Times first reported in 1997 that Hutchinson had gained control of the port of Balboa on the Pacific and Cristobal on the Atlantic.
The United States is the No. 1 user of the canal that carries 13,000 ships per year.
The U.S. military is abandoning bases in Panama under a 1977 treaty, signed by President Carter, that gives canal ownership to Panama, effective Dec. 31.
Mr. Santoli said the canal is part of a Chinese strategy to move into countries abandoned by the United States and the former Soviet Union. In Cuba, for example, Chinese intelligence officials are helping Cuba build a communications facility, he said.
"They're using Panama as a staging area for the region," Mr. Santoli said. "They're doing a massive amount of construction, a lot of investment. Literally hundreds of mainland Chinese are moving into Panama at all levels."
The Miami Herald on Monday quoted Panama's ousted intelligence chief as accusing his country's president, Ernesto Perez Balladares, of personally demanding visas for 140 Chinese immigrants.
The newspaper said the U.S. Justice Department is investigating a scheme in which Chinese immigrants paid $15,000 each for visas to use Panama as a staging area for illegal entry into the United States.
The Panama debate comes amid broader questions about China's strategic intentions and criticism of President Clinton's pro-Beijing policies from both Democrats and Republicans.
Military experts say a pattern of Chinese actions reveals a long-range strategic plan to dominate Asia and exert influence worldwide. The moves include its forays in Panama, its failed attempt to take over the old Long Beach, Calif., naval base, its suspected spying at U.S. nuclear labs, its illegal injection of campaign cash into Democratic Party coffers and its increased military spending, especially on nuclear weapons.
Reporting on a trip he and outside experts made to Panama in June, Mr. Santoli wrote in a report, "The delegation was concerned about the growing presence of communist China directly at the canal and in the region. Panama has become the central base of operations for communist China in Latin America."
Mr. Santoli said a Hutchinson subsidiary in Panama, Panama Ports Co., is partly owned by China Resources Enterprise, the commercial arm of the Chinese Ministry of Trade.
The Senate Governmental Affairs Committee has identified the Ministry of Trade as a conduit for "espionage -- economic, political and military -- for China."
Mr. Santoli said Li Kashing, chairman of Hutchinson, has served as a middleman for PLA dealings with the West, including satellite purchases from Hughes Corp.
Some downplay potential problems with Hutchinson's role in canal operations. For example, a former staffer to Sen. Jesse Helms, North Carolina Republican, issued a report in 1997 dismissing the company as a security threat.
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no it depends on how long your exposed to it, your skin and clothes will block it to a point then will be unable too after certain amounts of exposure. Its a bit like the sun, after all that is radiation too.
Umm, no... where are you getting your info from? Its not blocked "to a point" any more than sunglasses block light "to a point" only for a certain amount of exposure. Granted, sunglasses arent the best example, but like clothes and skin, there is no point in time when the glasses cant block the rays any more.
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U-238 is the byproduct of enriching natural Uranium, its called depleted, not because it has no uranium in it but becuase its a waste product. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) defines depleted uranium as uranium in which the percentage of the 235U isotope by weight is less than 0.711, now this then is dependent on how heavy the munitions are to how much is in the radiation basicaly.
How much is "in the radiation" Do you know what you're talking about?
As it says in wikipedia, the source you neglected to mention, DU produces alpha particles. Alpha particles are quite easily stopped by the skin and other materials, therefore is not normally dangerous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_radiation
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you seem to think that ingesting munition rounds is a done thing, why?
I dont, thats exactly why Im saying that DU is really no more dangerous than a normal round.
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I wouldnt. Find out how many servicemen from theatres of war such as yugoslavia and the Gulf get Leukemia after fighting there. Its a lot.
Establish a link between the DU and Leukemia first.
thing is their new Prime Minsiter, who was educated inamerican with a degree in economics is the son of Omar Torrijos the panamanian dictator who basicaly put ocntrol of the canal back in the panamanians peoples hands, and was suspectedly assasinated by the CIA, so i doubt his son Martín Torrijos will share much love for the yanquis.
"Health effects of DU are determined by factors such as the extent of exposure and whether it was internal or external. Three main pathways exist by which internalization of uranium may occur: inhalation, ingestion, and embedded fragments or shrapnel contamination. Properties such as phase (e.g. particulate or gaseous), oxidation state (e.g. metalic or ceramic), and the solubility of uranium and its compounds influence their absorption, distribution, translocation, elimination and the resulting toxicity. For example, metallic uranium is relativly non-toxic compared to hexavalent uranium(VI) compounds such as uranyl nitrate.
Projectile munitions comprise the only use of depleted uranium involving substantial inhalation exposure risks. Those risks have been associated with often controversial health concerns."
"How much is "in the radiation" Do you know what you're talking about? "
well im not a nuclear physacist no, but i did presume that if the radioactive material you are using is denser, then surely it will be more radioactive?, no?
"Umm, no... where are you getting your info from?"
presumably from here?
"No you wont. The particles are blocked by the skin and the clothes"
i sort of though their was some truth in that, much like how your skin will halt radiation from the sun, but after prolonged exsposure this will cease. I presumed it was the same principle concerning radiation from Uranium bullets.
"because it remains radioactive for an exceedingly long time with a half-life of approximately 4.5 billion years"
that sounds really safe.
Projectile munitions comprise the only use of depleted uranium involving substantial inhalation exposure risks. Those risks have been associated with often controversial health concerns."
"How much is "in the radiation" Do you know what you're talking about? "
well im not a nuclear physacist no, but i did presume that if the radioactive material you are using is denser, then surely it will be more radioactive?, no?
"Umm, no... where are you getting your info from?"
presumably from here?
"No you wont. The particles are blocked by the skin and the clothes"
i sort of though their was some truth in that, much like how your skin will halt radiation from the sun, but after prolonged exsposure this will cease. I presumed it was the same principle concerning radiation from Uranium bullets.
"because it remains radioactive for an exceedingly long time with a half-life of approximately 4.5 billion years"
that sounds really safe.
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And your assertion that "over half of the soldiers that fought in Gulf War 1 are either sick or dead" is so far afield that it is laughable. To the hundreds of vets that get together each year for unit reunions, and see ALL of their buddies, this will come as a huge surprise. I think your assertion is just wishful thinking. Try again.
Well that question can be argued but I believe it's close to what is going on.
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Just 467 U.S. personnel were wounded in the three-week Persian Gulf War in 1990-1991. Out of 580,400 soldiers who served in Gulf War I, 11,000 are dead, and by 2000 there were 325,000 on permanent medical disability. This astounding number of disabled vets means that a decade later, 56 percent of those soldiers who served now have medical problems.
The number of disabled vets reported up to 2000 has been increasing by 43,000 every year. Brad Flohr of the Department of Veterans Affairs told American Free Press that he believes there are more disabled vets now than even after World War II.
http://www.sfbayview.com/081804/Depleteduranium081804.shtml
The number of disabled vets reported up to 2000 has been increasing by 43,000 every year. Brad Flohr of the Department of Veterans Affairs told American Free Press that he believes there are more disabled vets now than even after World War II.
http://www.sfbayview.com/081804/Depleteduranium081804.shtml
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"Health effects of DU are determined by factors such as the extent of exposure and whether it was internal or external. Three main pathways exist by which internalization of uranium may occur: inhalation, ingestion, and embedded fragments or shrapnel contamination. Properties such as phase (e.g. particulate or gaseous), oxidation state (e.g. metalic or ceramic), and the solubility of uranium and its compounds influence their absorption, distribution, translocation, elimination and the resulting toxicity. For example, metallic uranium is relativly non-toxic compared to hexavalent uranium(VI) compounds such as uranyl nitrate.
You have to remember, though, that the effects are infact minimal when the exposure is external, and when its part of armour and munitions, it is in metallic state, meaning that the few dangers it poses in other states aren't a factor.
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Projectile munitions comprise the only use of depleted uranium involving substantial inhalation exposure risks. Those risks have been associated with often controversial health concerns."
Inhilation exposure risk? Excuse me? How so? If DU shells burst and create shrapnel... its the shrapnel you have to worry about killing you. Shrapnel is DESIGNED to kill. Shrapnel from a non-DU round is just as likely to kill you as shrapnel from a DU round. Difference, however, is that, since DU is denser, I dont think the shrapnel would travel as far. It seems that if we stopped using DU, ppl would move to the next thing and complain. "OOh, but the lead is dangerous... we're giving ppl lead poisoning!"
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well im not a nuclear physacist no, but i did presume that if the radioactive material you are using is denser, then surely it will be more radioactive?, no?
Well, the density cant really be controled, thats up to the element itsself I guess. The more you have of DU, the more alpha particles there are bombarding you... but the thing is that its not as if all those alpha particles will manage to penetrate your clothes and your skin. They're quite easily blocked. And, even more to the point, since DU can react to oxygen from what I hear, it would be necessary to confine it inbetween barriers. If that's the case, then you even have a metallic barrier protecting you from the alpha particles too.
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presumably from here?
I dont think UM is a good place to get this sort of info from...
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i sort of though their was some truth in that, much like how your skin will halt radiation from the sun, but after prolonged exsposure this will cease. I presumed it was the same principle concerning radiation from Uranium bullets.
Not really. Much like sunglasses, they dont "give up" after a certain amount of exposure.
Yes... rense... 
"I dont think UM is a good place to get this sort of info from..."
lol stellar.
But though u gotta admit now after readin about them for a bit they dont seem as friendly as maybe people think, their like little mini pellet nukes, even though they are a highly efficient munition, and if i was a soldier, i'd be having me some of that.
"Inhilation exposure risk? Excuse me? How so? If DU shells burst and create shrapnel"
i think though when they hit the radiation attaches itself to, say sand, dust, any particles that are about.
lol stellar.
But though u gotta admit now after readin about them for a bit they dont seem as friendly as maybe people think, their like little mini pellet nukes, even though they are a highly efficient munition, and if i was a soldier, i'd be having me some of that.
"Inhilation exposure risk? Excuse me? How so? If DU shells burst and create shrapnel"
i think though when they hit the radiation attaches itself to, say sand, dust, any particles that are about.
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Yes... rense...
He only reposts articles he finds on the net. Why not see who wrote the thing and bash them instead of Rense. Here I'll help you with your research.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/columnist.asp?ID=6
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"I dont think UM is a good place to get this sort of info from..."
lol stellar.
But though u gotta admit now after readin about them for a bit they dont seem as friendly as maybe people think, their like little mini pellet nukes, even though they are a highly efficient munition, and if i was a soldier, i'd be having me some of that.
"Inhilation exposure risk? Excuse me? How so? If DU shells burst and create shrapnel"
i think though when they hit the radiation attaches itself to, say sand, dust, any particles that are about.
I have not read the article, but you make a good point PLO. Most people see rense, and thinks everything on his site is written by him. The same thing goes for Alex jones' sites like infowars. it's people who can't look beyond the surface, that piss me off. you can compare them to racist people who will simply not listen because the person is black, because in their mind what can black person know, that a white person wouldn't know already. This is what we are up against.
Well its mostly from the fact that if our systems or goverments condone the usage of anything from ideologies or depleted uranium, many people beleive that it must be ok. But in reality history shows that has rarely been the case. yet people keep beleivin in the systems that ultimatly cuase them the most harm.
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