hey sry but when u say distinct feeling im just wondering somthing. if my eyes are closed when i actual project will i see clearly like my eyes are open. i guess thats how it works but im still a little fuzzy on the concept. but there is so much talk about this is must be true!

Yes, this is generally the case. On the rare occasion your 'astral eyes' may be closed when you project, but opening them is simple and automatic.

Astral Projection: Is the ability to leave your body. Everyone leaves their body at night, but before they do leave, they have to put the physical mind to sleep. Most people don't remember this, but when the physical mind is asleep, the subconscious takes over, and this is usually when you do your astral projection. In other words, everybody does it, but they just don't remember doing it.

All i have to say on this is wow!
If it does occur i had no clue.

the realism in astral projection is phenomum. i hope quantum physics will beable to go in deeper to learn about consciousness

So when u astral project its a fully conscious experience?

Yes, when you astral project you will feel as though you are wide awake. It feels nothing like a dream.

Socrates quick question when you say "4 in the morning" when do you initially fall asleep? I don't go to bed until 2am or latter most nights. So when should I wake up to do the water/towel thing? Is it just the half way point? If I went to bed a 2am and usually wake up at 10am should I wake up at 6am?

Something else I was wondering about you. Do you and/or your family have a history of paranormal experiences(ghosts, AP, kinesis, etc.)? I heard that people who never experience ghosts or any kind of phycic abilities probibly won't. Ive never experienced anything paranormal so i was wondering if It would even be possible for me to AP.

For your 4in the morning guide do you want me too envision myself standing in the corner and look at myself in the bed or do you want me to be laying in my bed envisioning myself looking at me from the corner?

Also do i have to fall asleep, wakeup, then fall back asleep? Or can I just be really tired when i go to bed and try to AP then.

I go to bed at 12 midnight at times and to the 4am technique so I figure about 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 hours after you know that you're doing to bed set your alarm to wake you up it really effective when I do it I can reach the paralysis state within 3-5 minutes, I've been busy lately doing house work so i only get free time on the weekends but I still try to project before I go to bed everynight but I just end up having very vivid dreams.

Good question - The time you go to bed doesn't really matter, as long as you get at least an hour's sleep so that you are relaxed and drowsy when you wake.

Anyone can AP, including those who have never had any paranormal experiences. I personally don't have many paranormal experiences - aside from the occasional ghost. My family has no paranormal history at all. So what you heard was wrong - you can AP whether you have experienced the paranormal in the past or not.

I want you to be envisioning yourself standing in the corner looking at yourself in bed. Keep in mind you are taking your consciousness out of your body, so the perception of your physical body should be forgotten.

My technique is recommended, however, although you may find it slightly more difficult, you can AP before sleeping first.

These are good questions you're asking!

See if u try to do astral projection, u hvae to relzx and breathe in and out, but when u do that, ur thinking about it and its more difficult to focus on letting ur subconscious take over? and also, are there any alternatives to visualising urself in a corner?

Of course; there are many other visualisation techniques. Some people imagine themselves climbing a rope above their body. Some people visualise their consciousness as an 'orb' of light slowly leaving the body. Some people don't visualise at all - they just clear their heads of all thought and AP occurs. There is a myriad of a method and each one works for different people. Try as many techniques as you can untill you find the right one.

Ive heard people say that AP can be dangerous is this true i know it can be frightning but you i know no harm can be done there there will be nothing to be frightend about.

Plus i think ive said this before but i live in a house with 5 people and i dont think setting an alarm to 4am in the morning will be a good idea plus i on a bunk bed so walking up and down that will really wake my body up.I tried visualising myself and doing the steps except for at 4 i just did it all about 3am before i went into bed and it was weird ehard like a load buzz and i dont know why but i found it frighning ta the time that i left the light on for 30 mins lol i dont know why but im going to try again see what happens id love to be able to AP more than any other psychic power.

Hey there,

Yes, to those who attempt to project - be warned that although rare, frightening experiences can occur. My personal belief is that no physical harm can occur during astral projection, and I have yet to be proven otherwise.

By the sounds of your circumstances, my technique isn't entirely suited to you. However, you could refrain from setting your alarm for 4 in the morning and attempt the technique when you first get into bed?

Hey Socrates,

I just tried the intuped sleep technique it is now 4:42AM now where I'm at as I'm typing I enter sleep paralysis after about 20 minutes in doing the exercises as I got tye vibrations I opened my physical eyes but my eyes closed back (forcably) I couldn't keep them open and I heard this voice said that I have a gun and I saw a 33mm pointing at me so I did the abort secquence (wiggled my fingers) I got out of paralysis with in 15-30 seconds but this had just happened and when I heard that voice it scared the heck out of me.

I was so close to getting out but I'm having problems with negative enities or my egos and I need some advice on how to get rid of them because I making some good spiritual changes in my life and there are things that I prayed to God for forgivness and I well never go back to.

And is it normal as you reach the paralysis state to feel tangling sensations? it started at me feet the worked it way all the way up through out my body and stopped at my head then I was in paralysis then the vibrations occured and after I heard that voice said gun I aborted.

Hey Randyman,

I'm sorry to hear you had a frightening experience. The key thing to remember is the more you let this entity scare you, the stronger it will become. You need to know that the entity can do you no physical harm and confront it. Next time you see the entity, say firmly: "In the name of god, leave now!" Ask god and/or his angels, or your spirit guides, for protection and it will be given to you. As for the tingling sensations, they are entirely normal. Nearly everyone feels them. They start at my feet too.

all this reading make me wana try so tonight i will try and give u my results in th morning

Ok I'll do that next time before I project and after to cleanse the area because as a teenager and even up untill now I grew up around a lot of negativity and I have a whole lot of egos to get rid of and I'm searching Google now for mantras to get rid of negative energy and that creates a strong positve force field of protection.

Yo Socrates,

One time about a year ago I had gotten a few hours of sleep before my alarm clock woke me up to go to school. I layed there for a while because i hadnt fully waken up yet. I knew i had to get to school really soon or i would be late. So i got up (or so i thought) and I walked upstairs to get ready for school and after a while of getting ready for school i all of a sudden heard my mother yell and i felt myself snap back and i was back in my bed. I actually thought i got up. I don't know if this was just some dream or if it was accidental AP. I don't remember if i heard or felt anything weird when it started all i know is i actually thought i was wide awake.

I was wondering if this could have been AP or not?

By the way i will be trying your method.

i wonder, can astral projection be a step towards teleportation?

and why can i not stay out of my body for long?

EDIT: one more thing if you see other entities in the astral, what do you do if you see the grim reaper? i know that this is rather far-fetched of an idea, but if i'm going to be doing any astral projection i want to know what's waiting for me on "the other side". will i be able to bring a physical object with me? like a sword? just in case anything...weird happens.

my grandfather, having previously done this before says that this can be extremely hazardous if you do not know what you are doing. what if something happens to your physical body while your out? like a house fire, tornado, drive-by shooting; et cetra.

perhaps the hazard is not in this meditative state that causes this but moreso in the physical world. however, the mind is not something to be tampered with if one does not know what it is that they are doing. if you open the wrong door you may not return.

i believe this astral projection is possible, but i also believe that it should not be taken so lightly. a warning to those have or will soon try things, be careful.

Hi guys! After watching the forums for 3days I realize that I am an ex member of this board! So I logged in to share my last nights experience with you.

Let me start of by saying, astral projection is very real. (Very real my friends) And after last night, it now makes sense the experiences I use to have as a child when my family and I lived in Sydney. (Australia)

Last night, after me and a friend watched my year 12 formal DVD (formal was the previous day) we decided to call it a night at 3:30 am. After reading a hefty 62page thread on astral projection I decided to give it a go.

Before I get into some of the details, my family is very spiritual, my mum informs me that she use to astral project when I was just a baby, and also still does till this day. Also at the age of 15 my mother was abducted by aliens, for reason unknown. After her encounter with them, she has always had voice's that have guided her on decisions and problems.

She was also contacted several days after the experience; by the one they called Nostradamus.

Ok now that my family's background is out in the open. Let me get down to it.

Last night before proceeding to sleep, I decided I would give this astral projection a go.
I sat up, and started to think of falling into a trance like state in which I could ascend.

unfortunately this is were it went down hill , I started to see colors (I had door open too hallway , so you could see some inversions of light corridor lamp) They started off just like waves of white, then I started to get a really unconformable feeling. I started to see black waves (yes again, I could make out black waves in the dark) and it felt as if something wanted me to leave my body.

In all of this, which is the hard thing for me to come to grips with is, after reading all 62 pages, their is no connection between astral projecting with your eyes open, or in an awake state. Well for me last night, I was not asleep, and I indeed did experience a feeling of ascending.

At this point, I would like to add another recollection for all of you to follow along with.

I being only 17, I use to spend most of my free holiday nights, playing a game called counter strike source ( various killing game, involved in two teams , who both have goals that need to be achieved) and when playing for such long periods as per say 7-15hours. I would get into a trance like state of playing, were I would often feel like my body was outside of me.

To be more to the point, I would feel as if my body was pulling to the top left hand side of me. And often I felt very relaxed, and in some extremities almost natural, as if to say I was actually looking at the screen from a diagonal view.

*back to experience*
I was seeing these colors, when I indeed experienced the outlined symptoms.
Crackling - popping noises.
And I could hear a slight voice, which sounded like an old man saying.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I started to think it was my friend over beside me in the other bed, but he was indeed. Out of the scene

My arms started to wobble, and I had intense sensation in my feet.
This is I drew the line, something didn’t feel right, as if I was being pushed into performing these actions.

I then proceeded to abort from their. I lay back down; it was 4:25 am. (Nearly 1 hour of this whole ordeal) and thought about what had just happened.

I closed my eyes, and started to try and sleep.
But then it started again, I awoke 15minutes later, with an awaking surge of energy through me. Which I found to be very scary, I could not sleep for fear of being forced to astral project. I would close my eyes, and soon would follow - Increased pulse rate - crackling noises - and body convulsions.

Now with this in mind, do you think their was something? Or something trying to tempt me in? Or was there a sinister purpose behind it? Or maybe a benevolent purpose? For now I can’t really tell.

Another backtrack.
As a kid, I use to get dreams of utmost emotional and reality.
Were I would often walk around my house, but the dreams (or astral projections as I have now determined) the dreams often ended, in me kneeling before our front door, crying in a very unstable emotional state (as far as I could tell, it was fear, or a feeling of pain from the door) anyway, that’s were those states would end. And I would wake up.

To me as a kid, these could of been seen as nightmares, but they were so real and as I look back upon it now. It makes a lot of sense.

Anyway this is my post to you guys.
Please read and post your thoughts back.
Regards
Dr.judd

sometimes i get scarded too..

why then when i get back am i gasping for air? are obe's "normal"? i can't stay concious either, and it makes me scared to go to sleep! i have this pic i took of me in hyperspace, no b/s.. so i kno i'm out there, but why can't i stay concious? please help guide me, cause i'm very lost, and confused.

Being forced to astral project is NOT ok! Our bodies are just cavities and a spirit has to fill them. When a person astral projects, their spirit is leaving their body and their body has to be filled with something else or the body would die. What happens is that a demon switches with your spirit and then your spirit is free to go where you want(you would like to think anyway). In reality, the demons will let you control your astral projectin a few times, maybe even a thousand times! But when they deem it necessary, THEY will control when you astral project! And what about the body you are leaving behind. The demon that then occupies your body is free to make your body do and say what it wants.

When someone learns how to astral project(switch places with another spirit), it's only a matter of time until that person learns he is NOT the one in control.

If any of you are astal projecting when you didn't want to, are really scared, fearing for your life while doing so, or are forced to do things you dont' want to do...for the sake of your life, in that moment you must ask Jesus to save you. Tell the demons to "leave you alone in Jesus' name". Please remember this. If at any point your life is about to be taken away by these guides/spirits/ghosts/demons (whatever you want to call them) you can ask Jesus to save you. He is more powerful than any of these things could ever be. Remember, Jesus is always able and willing to deliver you and anything must leave if you tell it to in the name of Jesus.

Ephesians 6:
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[c] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

I think someone is a little paranoid. if some demon or something tries to get into my body there not going to be around for much longer. the only person who comes into my body is me.

Maybe it's the aliens coming for their lovechild.

a good sharpened blade takes care of that pretty effeciently. it's only logical that if you're in a potentially hostile entity's realm, you should have the ability to make physical contact with it, right?

Thats not very funny.

Dr.Judd, your experience does sound frightening, especially when you were a child.

i had an experience when i was very little (probably at the age of 7 or 8). i was lying on the bed and staring at the ceiling, not thinking and also relaxing. i do rememeber for 1 second, i felt that as if i was 5 cm away from the ceiling!!! it was as if i popped right infront of the ceiling and back on to my bed. Has anyone had this experience before?

however, i was fully concious, no sound, no vibration or any sort.

any suggestions?

Wrong. That is exactly the opposite thing one should do during an encounter with a negative entity. Attacking it is only going to worsen your situation. Negs feed off negative energy, and using a 'good sharpened blade' against one is likely to make the entity stronger and attract similar entities. If you encounter a neg, calmly ask that you return to your body. If this fails. Try sending it love. This sounds ridiculous, but it works. The entity will dissolve before your eyes. Emotions are very influential in the astral and love is extremely damaging to negs.

For me personally, I just lie down, relax and try to think of nothing. I like to focus on feeling my blood pulse all over my body. And that's it. Then I just project to wherever I wish to go. When I'm having trouble relaxing/concentrating, I imagine myself flying to the destination instead.

Hello Socrates !!!


Astral projection is intresting thing ,but i'm fearing to train ,because i'm using drugs from very strong headache and these drugs drives me too sleep .Can I try to train in Astral projection?

lol Yeah... Demons are just everywhere!

When you astral project, your soul does not leave your body..

When you astral project, your concious mind leaves your physical body and enters your astral body. If you didn't know, the astral body is more like another frequency, not your soul, kind of like radio waves, they exist, but non of our senses can detect them.

Other wise you would probably die from astral projection because the physical body can only survive so long with out the soul. And because the soul does not leave the body, a "demon" cannot enter it.

Lots of things can happen.

Set an alarm clock to force yourself back.

Oh, so this is the thread where all the gullible people go.

Did you even bother to read Dr.Judd's post...

You could die Astrally. Your body will go into deep coma.

Oh yeah? How?

It is not possiable to die astrally our astral body is our spirit, consciousness, soul etc.
The soul survives forever but I've made it back out of my body I went to my ceiling and back this is actually fun as long as you don't run into any negative enities but the 2 or 3 seconds I was out I felt peace, love, happyness, protection and just a sense of well being (I wonder could that have been my guides sending me all of those good feelings?

And as I was going out I was in a deep trance I didn't get the vibrations going out but I got them comming back in I heard a low buzzing like sound in my ears and I was stuck half in and half out I could feel my astral body trying to reconnect with my physical body when I moved my fingers was my astral fingers because it felt as thou as they were going throu the rest of my hand and my has light but it's dim but when I was out I saw and everything with crystal clear quality, this happened on this past Tuesday, and I was just recovering from a cold and I had a headache and stuffy nose (my physical body was aching) but when I got out the miserable feeling I had disapeared when I came back in and fully connected when the paralysis and vibrations ended I had the stuffy nose and headache again.

I'm going to try and project again tonight or tomorrow now I would like to meet my spirit guide, how do I go about doing that?

Some people believe your guides, if they exist, will only appear to you when they need to, but I'm not sure.

You'll have to research it some more.

I left my body once unintentially while meditating, it scared me and i slammed back in my body. Since then, I've tried to do it intentionally but have not been successful. with my eyes closed, I'll get to the point where I'll see flashes of light and fell like I'm pulling out but it stop rightbefore it happens and the process repeats itself.

I'm curious as to why i get stuck there, any suggestions?

Also, did you ave to ask for guides or did they simpley appear?

Make sure you stay focused on leaving your body and NOT the feelings. I've failed so many times because I pay too much attention to the feelings.

Greetings all. New here so if I have missed something please understand, just found this forum. I find this discussion very interesting. I have been experiencing "Sleep Paralisis" for over 20 years now and am quite used to all the feelings associated with it. I used to be quite scarred of it when it happened, but now it is an experience that is normal and I am fine with it. I do understand that this is a common precursor to AP. However I have never been able to actually do much more than get myself into a kind of Lucid "flying" type of dream. (which is fun in itself but not quite what I want) When it happens (sleep paralisis) I am very ready and always attempt to leave my body- NOTHING, EVER. All I do when SP comes on is think of leaving my body as the physical experience, for me, is nothing new and doesnt bother me any more. But I am not sure if I am any closer now than the first time I tried to leave my body (many years ago now). I am begining to think This just doesnt work for me. It is quite frustrating becouse I am truly interested in this and would love to have first hand experience of it. All I have now is what other people tell me. I will always keep on trying to AP when the chance arrives but I am getting close to thinking it is not possible?

I don't experience much of what other people experience when I astral travel. there is no cord, jolting back into the body or floating on the ceiling. everyone has a different experience.

I'm gonna try again tonite. It's been awhile since I have tried...I'm lazy

[size="4"]Hi everyone, this is Harian from Athens, Greece!

Do you also start "seeing with eyes closed" while in trance and before leaving your body? It might be normal since great deal of consciousness has already been transfered to the astral body, but its a bit distracting...[size="4"]

Nice forum you have here...

I tried that astral meditation thing. I tried to get there by being in a dim room, sitting on a pillow on a chair, no appliance nor music on, then I close my eyes and focused on this green light, then I started to see myself float...but i didnt enter astral world once! how was I doing this Wrong?

Can negative enities enter your body while your in the astral?

I didn't read through the whole topic so I don't know if it's already answered

What does the astral plane look like?...I hope this isnt a stupid question but can you eat in the astral plane And...Can me and my 2 Michael Jackson fan friends go back in time to 1984?

The Astral Plane looks the same as this Physical Plane I've finally made it out a few times ut only to my ceiling and the box spring of my matress, the astral is a dimention thats paralell to this one everything exist simoultaniously,
but I have a question for Socrates what do I do now? I got rid of that annoying scarry, negative enity I made 4 succssful projections with in last week to now the first 2 times I had great vision crystal clear and I heard everything with cryatal clear quality but my projections don't last no longer than 2 or 3 seconds,

Said with my mind I head my self talk I said that I wanted to go out side but I came into quick the 3rd time I sunk down to my box spring and perhaps the ceiling of the apartment below me I live in a 18 story apartment complex and I'm on the 12th floor but I think that sinking occured becuase I had eaten something heavy before doing it the 3rd time was eariler this morning and my 4th time was about 1 1/2 ago I went to my ceiling again but I had cinemascope vision (those black bars at the tops and bottoms of your TV screen when a film is in wide screen format) I said clarity now but I still sank back into my body.

My question is what am I doing wrong? I can't stay out no time and I heard a kind female voice said "Astral Projection You Have Astrally Projected".

P.S. When I feel the splitting sensation once I quickly opened my eyes (and I see part of my room from the prospective of the ceiling and from the normal perspective of laying down in my bed am I opening my eyes too quickly? an I suppose to open my eyes durring that transitional peiord?

There's ao many places I'd like to go now and I had intention on going but I get pulled back into my body and I have soft music playing from a ghospel station. is that a facctor?