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JavanMJFan
QUOTE(Randyman1986 @ Dec 16 2006, 04:43 PM) [snapback]1464724[/snapback]
The Astral Plane looks the same as this Physical Plane I've finally made it out a few times ut only to my ceiling and the box spring of my matress, the astral is a dimention thats paralell to this one everything exist simoultaniously,
but I have a question for Socrates what do I do now? I got rid of that annoying scarry, negative enity I made 4 succssful projections with in last week to now the first 2 times I had great vision crystal clear and I heard everything with cryatal clear quality but my projections don't last no longer than 2 or 3 seconds,

Said with my mind I head my self talk I said that I wanted to go out side but I came into quick the 3rd time I sunk down to my box spring and perhaps the ceiling of the apartment below me I live in a 18 story apartment complex and I'm on the 12th floor but I think that sinking occured becuase I had eaten something heavy before doing it the 3rd time was eariler this morning and my 4th time was about 1 1/2 ago I went to my ceiling again but I had cinemascope vision (those black bars at the tops and bottoms of your TV screen when a film is in wide screen format) I said clarity now but I still sank back into my body.

My question is what am I doing wrong? I can't stay out no time and I heard a kind female voice said "Astral Projection You Have Astrally Projected".

Do you have msn since we are both in the united states maybe we can talk on the phone and help each other and meet up in the astral plane... unsure.gif If its ok with you..
Ghostbreaker
Is this were you reckon ghosts reside as they interfere with our plane?
~Iz~
I have a question.. not quite related but maybe someone can answer or give me direction as to what I saw..

The other day.. I was depressed over a friend who had passed.. I wanted to see if I could open my mind and call her or something.. I laid down and close my eyes and focused my mind openly and upwards (as best as I could describe)...

Now i normally think in black.. but when I did this.. I saw blue.. and also remember seeing a bunch of glowing white wires moving (they were very faint) they moved kinda like when you see a spool of thread spinning and the thread isn't spun eveningly and all the threads moving around... I could not get passed that...

I don't know if it's related.. but the next day is when I had my experience with my friend visiting me.

I had not thought more about this until I started reading about people projecting and other stuff.. and may have done something like that without knowing?
Sephie Sims
Hey everyone, n00b here. original.gif I've been reading this thread for weeks, little by little and finally finished it. It's been a real inspiration. I've been trying to AP off and on now ever since I was a teenage and my sister told me she'd sometimes unintentionally float out of her body. Of course we had no idea what AP was back then and even though I had no clue that there were techniques available, I was definitely on the right track to trying to willfully experience one myself. Since finding out that anyone can have them, I've read tons of books on the subject and tried dozens of techniques in my quest, but to no avail. I can induce a state of intense meditation to the point where I no longer hear sounds, but am fully conscious. (I use the hum of my computer fans to judge if I'm asleep or not) I've had intense vibrations, sleep paralysis, auditory, visual and even tactile hallucinations. (LOL it once felt like some one grabbed my face and put a tiny pill on my tongue) I've even felt like I was lying on top of my own body. No matter how much or how little I try to mentally will my (astral)self to roll over, float up, climb invisible ropes or teleport to the corner of the room or even open my astral eyes, it just doesn't happen. I don't drink or do drugs, but I am on Paxil (20mg) for "Panic Disorder" (Actually I initially started meditating because of it, and while I was searching for relaxation techniques, I stumbled on some info about OBE's and decided that it would be good for me to start trying to have them again... which is how I got here). Anyway, I'm wondering if it's the medication that's hindering me because when I first started taking it I went from having very vivid dreams to almost no dreams at all. It took months of journaling the few flimsy (almost transparent) dreams I did have to get my normal, interesting, brightly colored dreams back. Anyway, any comments or advice would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! grin2.gif
Moon_Child
QUOTE(sedain121 @ Feb 9 2006, 07:55 PM) [snapback]1054871[/snapback]
Well i guess ill put my 2 cents in. How is any of this different from Lucid Dreaming. Now I just recently found out about lucid dreaming 6 months ago but ive been having them since i was a kid. Most of this stuff(OBE, Astral Projection, Levitation..) all seems to coincide with Lucid Dreaming. How is going into a meditative state(basically dreaming) and seeing yourself fly around ANY different then going Lucid. I just really dont understand how someone who knows what and how lucid dreams work could not see all of these visions or whatever people claim to have are just plain old lucid dreams.
Lucid Dream= vivid, CONSCIENCE and in control(well, with some work)
When ever I read about peoples experiences with any of this it all seems like people are trying to repackage lucid dreams.

I mean do you really think your projecting your (whatever?) out into space or is it more probable that your having a lucid dream?
cmon people....are you leaving your body...or are you dreaming....



I dont know if this was a dream anymore:


I went to sleep as normal one Saturday night and "dreamt" I was walking around a bus crash site. There were many injured people laying on the ground and I was with a person I could not see (he/she was standing beside my right side) I asked am I to help these people in some way and was told that I am here to observe not to interfere.

Next thing you know i am awake and my husband turns on the radio to listen to the news. The news reported a bus crash up the coast which is over a thousand miles from where I live. I thought nothing more of this until I saw the television news later on the night of that same day. The video footage was exactly the same as in my "dream" - if thats what it was.

I really felt as if I had been there physically and no longer believe I was dreaming.

Oh and then there is a time that I said to myself before going to sleep to this unkown person who goes with me "ok, if you are going to take me somewhere tonight can you please ask for my permission first?" Next thing you know I am in my bed hearing a knock at my front door. I get out of bed and open the door and the blurred figure of a person is standing there. So what do I do? I got the biggest shock of my life and slammed the door shut!! Then I hear this huge sound like a crack or a pop and I am in my bed sitting up. I look around and everything was exactly as I saw it before this happened.


This has happened quite a lot to me and until I said "no" I used to wake up extremely tired.

Is this the type of thing you are talking about? Is this an obe, astral travelling or lucid dreaming?

I do not have an explanation for this and any ideas/advice/suggestions would be appreciated.
Kazuma
QUOTE(Moon_Child @ Dec 31 2006, 11:02 PM) [snapback]1481060[/snapback]
I dont know if this was a dream anymore:
I went to sleep as normal one Saturday night and "dreamt" I was walking around a bus crash site. There were many injured people laying on the ground and I was with a person I could not see (he/she was standing beside my right side) I asked am I to help these people in some way and was told that I am here to observe not to interfere.

Next thing you know i am awake and my husband turns on the radio to listen to the news. The news reported a bus crash up the coast which is over a thousand miles from where I live. I thought nothing more of this until I saw the television news later on the night of that same day. The video footage was exactly the same as in my "dream" - if thats what it was.

I really felt as if I had been there physically and no longer believe I was dreaming.

Oh and then there is a time that I said to myself before going to sleep to this unkown person who goes with me "ok, if you are going to take me somewhere tonight can you please ask for my permission first?" Next thing you know I am in my bed hearing a knock at my front door. I get out of bed and open the door and the blurred figure of a person is standing there. So what do I do? I got the biggest shock of my life and slammed the door shut!! Then I hear this huge sound like a crack or a pop and I am in my bed sitting up. I look around and everything was exactly as I saw it before this happened.
This has happened quite a lot to me and until I said "no" I used to wake up extremely tired.

Is this the type of thing you are talking about? Is this an obe, astral travelling or lucid dreaming?

I do not have an explanation for this and any ideas/advice/suggestions would be appreciated.


This does sound like astral projection, but I'm not 100% sure. Was everything very vivid and detailed?

But most people's OBE's aren't like this. Most people float out of their bodies, then just kinda float around... where ever.
Moon_Child
QUOTE(Kazuma @ Jan 1 2007, 06:52 PM) [snapback]1481201[/snapback]
This does sound like astral projection, but I'm not 100% sure. Was everything very vivid and detailed?

But most people's OBE's aren't like this. Most people float out of their bodies, then just kinda float around... where ever.



Yes it was vivid & detailed - it was like I was actually there. I could feel the grass under my feet by the side of the road and the one in my house was exactly the same I could even feel the sheets and hear my husband breathing.

I have also had one where I found myself at a place where I was going to be working soon but I think I may have scared the person who was there........she suddenly turned around and looked at me and told me not to come back. I'm not really sure about this one either. Oh and I do not work there either as circumstances eventually prevented it. Now I am wondering if it was something else.....

These incidences were all done accidentally so I am now wondering if as people here are saying, can be done intentionally would the chances of controlling the places and people I come into contact be possible. I wouldnt want to find myself an unwelcome visitor again. sad.gif

Things I have done in the past have not been to intentionally do this but have included meditation bu. The only thing I can think of that I intentionally did was to be thinking of the person prior to going to sleep........

If people just "float around" what would be the purpose? Can you find your friends or enemies? (dont like the sound of this one but find myself having to ask out of curiosity!)
meesh
Hey,
Lately Ive been trying to project, during my last attempt to project i was in such a state that it felt like a very heavy blanket was over me preventing me from moving, i think that might have been a good sign showing i was very relaxed. but i could not project, no matter what i did. I tried imagining me standing im a corner of my room at the edge of my bed, but that didnt work, i also tried other ways i had read about on other websites, i herd voices, saying things like "youre almost there", or even stuff like "you've made it" i tried blocking out the voices, but it didnt work out well, then the voices told me to open my eyes, i thought about it for a bit, thinking if i do, ill either lose the state of relaxation and have to start over, or ill hopefully open my eyes to find me standing up, near my bed on the astrel plane. so, after a bit more visioning me standing next to my bed, i finally opened my eyes, only to find me in mey bed. So my question is this, if i do hear "open your eyes" or other voices implying i should open them, should i and hope ive reached the astrel plane? or should i keep them closed, and wait for other things to happen? Maybe more directly i should ask, how will i know im undoubtedly im there? and will i ever have to open my eyes? when you jump to the astrel plane, are your eyes open to start with, or must you open them with the hope you are on the astrel plane?
Oh, one more small thing ive wondered, what are "evil entities" whats thier intention, and do our gudies vary from person to person?
Thanks
-Meesh
Moon_Child
Hi Meesh,

I am no expert at this.......what I mean by this is, I do not TRY to do this particular thing but it still happens........

Recently I have been doing some reading and have read that everyone has a guardian to protect them. Perhaps yours is stopping you from doing what you want on that particular plane for your own protection.

I say this because I had an experience last night:

I was out of my body, sitting in my loungeroom(I NEVER dream of being in my house) and there was a person there also I was talking to about some studies I had done at Uni.

The thing is, he was sitting in my bedroom with the door open and I was sitting in the lounge facing him. I am now wondering if this person was in fact my husband. I noticed after a while that there was something wrong with his eyes and as soon as I thought that, I went somewhere else. I was aware there were two other people with me and they were scared. One of them asked me if there was a ghost here and I said I do not think so. I was walking(read: drifting) down a dimly lit narrow passageway that had stone walls and was lit by fire torches. I noticed a doorway at the end of the passage but I didnt go toward it just looked at it. Then I turned back to the other two people who were standing in the doorway of another chamber and they screamed "look out" and I turned just in time to see a figure looming over me.

In a flash I found myself being pulled back in my body, awakening and in my bed. If this wasnt strange enough, my back was hurting, I felt there was something behind me and I also felt someone patting my hand as if to make sure I was OK(just so you know, there was nobody physically there). My body was vibrating and I was very much aware that there was more than just my husband next to me in the room.


If this is going to happen without me trying, I really feel now like I need to be in control of it and I felt compelled to say in my mind, "when I go back to sleep, I request my guardian keep me safe from harm".

Once I said this, I went back to sleep undisturbed for the rest of the night and was not able to feel anyone other than my husband in the room.

Be very aware that things are not always what they appear to be on the astral plane. I could interpret this as meeting someone scary and would do me harm but what I think really happened is that I was pulled back into my body by my guardian.

Could this be that when this happens, there is a real chance of being harmed?

I do not really know for sure, but is it a possibility?

Does anyone with any experience know about this sort of thing?


meesh
QUOTE(Moon_Child @ Jan 1 2007, 03:47 PM) [snapback]1481676[/snapback]
Hi Meesh,

Recently I have been doing some reading and have read that everyone has a guardian to protect them. Perhaps yours is stopping you from doing what you want on that particular plane for your own protection.


Im not going to rule out the possibility, because that might be excatly what is happening, but this is one thing that makes me less then 100% sure on what you thought.
I read earlier that going into the astrel plane with bad intentions would attract evil entities and the such, and good intentions would repel bad entities, and even allow you to travel with your guide, gaurdien, and other good forces (etc.) and even more so, praying to good spirits, would furthermore keep you safe, so before trying to travel i said a prayer, as i do every night, and berfore i try to travel, so i have no clue why my gaurdien would keep me from the astrel plane, if my intentions were good, and i had previously prayed. Instead of keeping me from the plane, couldnt it have sent me to another location on the plane, one that wasnt so harmful, or evil?
That being the case or not, i would still like advice about the voices saying "you're here" or "open your eyes", because im still lost as to knowing when im undoubtedly there. Im going to keep trying, believing my gaurdien knows best, but also hoping i can make it to the astrel plane soon.
-Meesh
Moon_Child
QUOTE(meesh @ Jan 2 2007, 09:25 AM) [snapback]1481706[/snapback]
Im not going to rule out the possibility, because that might be excatly what is happening, but this is one thing that makes me less then 100% sure on what you thought.
I read earlier that going into the astrel plane with bad intentions would attract evil entities and the such, and good intentions would repel bad entities, and even allow you to travel with your guide, gaurdien, and other good forces (etc.) and even more so, praying to good spirits, would furthermore keep you safe, so before trying to travel i said a prayer, as i do every night, and berfore i try to travel, so i have no clue why my gaurdien would keep me from the astrel plane, if my intentions were good, and i had previously prayed. Instead of keeping me from the plane, couldnt it have sent me to another location on the plane, one that wasnt so harmful, or evil?
That being the case or not, i would still like advice about the voices saying "you're here" or "open your eyes", because im still lost as to knowing when im undoubtedly there. Im going to keep trying, believing my gaurdien knows best, but also hoping i can make it to the astrel plane soon.
-Meesh



hi Meesh,

The only reason I can think of why a guardian would do that would be to protect you. I do not believe in forcing something before it is ready to be done naturally.

Your intentions may be good.......however I do not believe that all people/entities that do this have good ones and perhaps the belief that like attracts like is not as simple as we would like to think.

I am a healer and part of my intention is first do no harm therefore I do not believe that I would be attracting bad but I do think that some manevolent forces are attracted to specific types of energy. I assume being unafraid would be what would repel it and having a firm belief that you are protected will do this as well.

Take care and good luck with it,

Moon Child.
meesh
thank you, Moon Child for the help, i do agree with you in thinking i should not force something upon myself without it happening naturally. but sometimes for stuff to happen you have to give it a little nudge yourself so everything can get into motion, so im going to try once more tonight, doing my best to feel unafraid. and know that i am protected.
again, thank you
-meesh
Unreality
I did it...I think. It was a couple days ago, but the previous 3 or 4 days, I didn't get no sleep, went to bed at like 3 or 4 in the morning, drunk as piss, with other stuff in my system, getting up like 8 or 9 and helping people move. So the previous 3 or 4 days before I did, was probably pretty hard on my body. I didn't feel it at the time. But that day I woke up with a hangover, and it was the last thing we had to move, so I helped move. Well, we got back to the house and I watched TV for a little bit, and I just got so tired it was insane. So I crashed out on the couch. Well, I guess it was a couple hours later, and my cousin started tapping on my shoulder, and it happened. I was in this paralyzed state(sleep paralysis?). I was fully conscience at this point. It is almost impossible to get your body to react, it was very frustrating, but I eventually woke my body up enough to answer him. He asked for money, I told I didn't have any. He said alright and left me alone. So I closed my eyes, and cleared my mind, trying to go to sleep. And something started screaming at me. I don't know. I started to freak out because I couldn't move, I couldn't scream for help, nothing. Then I remembered about all I have read, and I thought this sleep paralysis. So, I started thinking about APing, and getting out of my body, and the screams stopped. It was so calming, it was nirvana I guess you could say. Just, so peaceful. I knew I was in the astral world. When I looked around, it's undescribable(is that a word?) It was weird definitely. I was conscience this whole time. So I tried to get up, I tried moving my hand first, and I watched my hand come up. But my hand felt like it weighed 100 pounds or something. It was insane. Well, I tried rolling over, out of my body because I was on the couch. And it felt like I weighed 1000 pounds, but I rolled over, and fell off the couch. I fell through the floor or something, whatever happened it sure freaked my out, and I was trying to stand up but everything was so weird and my body was so heavy. I gave up. I said I can't do this, this is too hard, I want back in my body. I open my eyes. My uncle is in the next room still talking on the phone. I am wide awake now, and can't get back to sleep. I don't even try because I mentally didn't feel tired anymore. I don't know. It definitely was weird.

I'm thinking my body could have felt so heavy because all that I have been doing the past few days, all of the stress I'm under, everything. Thoughts? Socrates? Did I AP. I know this was more than just a dream, I consciencely did all of this.

PS-sorry for the long story

PPS-I'm not sober right now, so I don't think I wrote this very correctly. Sorry about that too
Kazuma
QUOTE(Moon_Child @ Jan 1 2007, 04:21 AM) [snapback]1481217[/snapback]
If people just "float around" what would be the purpose? Can you find your friends or enemies? (dont like the sound of this one but find myself having to ask out of curiosity!)


There's no purpose, it's just fun. You can explore anywhere, or spy on people, like you mentioned. original.gif
meesh
QUOTE(Unreality @ Jan 1 2007, 09:25 PM) [snapback]1482051[/snapback]
I did it...I think. It was a couple days ago, but the previous 3 or 4 days, I didn't get no sleep, went to bed at like 3 or 4 in the morning, drunk as piss, with other stuff in my system, getting up like 8 or 9 and helping people move. So the previous 3 or 4 days before I did, was probably pretty hard on my body. I didn't feel it at the time. But that day I woke up with a hangover, and it was the last thing we had to move, so I helped move. Well, we got back to the house and I watched TV for a little bit, and I just got so tired it was insane. So I crashed out on the couch. Well, I guess it was a couple hours later, and my cousin started tapping on my shoulder, and it happened. I was in this paralyzed state(sleep paralysis?). I was fully conscience at this point. It is almost impossible to get your body to react, it was very frustrating, but I eventually woke my body up enough to answer him. He asked for money, I told I didn't have any. He said alright and left me alone. So I closed my eyes, and cleared my mind, trying to go to sleep. And something started screaming at me. I don't know. I started to freak out because I couldn't move, I couldn't scream for help, nothing. Then I remembered about all I have read, and I thought this sleep paralysis. So, I started thinking about APing, and getting out of my body, and the screams stopped. It was so calming, it was nirvana I guess you could say. Just, so peaceful. I knew I was in the astral world. When I looked around, it's undescribable(is that a word?) It was weird definitely. I was conscience this whole time. So I tried to get up, I tried moving my hand first, and I watched my hand come up. But my hand felt like it weighed 100 pounds or something. It was insane. Well, I tried rolling over, out of my body because I was on the couch. And it felt like I weighed 1000 pounds, but I rolled over, and fell off the couch. I fell through the floor or something, whatever happened it sure freaked my out, and I was trying to stand up but everything was so weird and my body was so heavy. I gave up. I said I can't do this, this is too hard, I want back in my body. I open my eyes. My uncle is in the next room still talking on the phone. I am wide awake now, and can't get back to sleep. I don't even try because I mentally didn't feel tired anymore. I don't know. It definitely was weird.

I'm thinking my body could have felt so heavy because all that I have been doing the past few days, all of the stress I'm under, everything. Thoughts? Socrates? Did I AP. I know this was more than just a dream, I consciencely did all of this.

PS-sorry for the long story

PPS-I'm not sober right now, so I don't think I wrote this very correctly. Sorry about that too


im just throwing this out there, but maybe you felt so heavy cause you were drunk, drinking and drugs can affect the projection
Moon_Child
Hi again,

yeah, I would have thought that as well............but I have had that happen when I got back into my body.......
meesh
hello again,
after another night without projecting and another morning of reading, i read that it helps greatly to be a light sleeper, (which i am definatly not), but would those who have projected agree with this?
Kazuma
QUOTE(meesh @ Jan 2 2007, 12:54 PM) [snapback]1482838[/snapback]
hello again,
after another night without projecting and another morning of reading, i read that it helps greatly to be a light sleeper, (which i am definatly not), but would those who have projected agree with this?


I haven't projected yet, but in my opinion, it helps to be a deep sleeper, because you dream when you're deep asleep, and a lot of people astral project from their dreams.
meesh
hmm,
i dont know, i am a heavy sleeper, i can sleep through my blasting alarm clock. but i dont dream, i guess i should say i dont remember my dreams. so, now i am even a little more confused
Moon_Child
QUOTE(meesh @ Jan 3 2007, 08:16 AM) [snapback]1483232[/snapback]
hmm,
i dont know, i am a heavy sleeper, i can sleep through my blasting alarm clock. but i dont dream, i guess i should say i dont remember my dreams. so, now i am even a little more confused



Hmmmmm, this is a good question

Sometimes I sleep heavy and sometime light but my guess would be heavy sleeping would be the best conditions for this.

Hey Meesh,

A good way to remember your dreams is to keep some paper and a pen by your bed. Tell yourself you wish to wake up right after you have a dream and write it down.....even if it doesnt make sense to you at the time. The things that can come out of this are very interesting.
meesh
QUOTE(Moon_Child @ Jan 2 2007, 04:47 PM) [snapback]1483443[/snapback]
Hmmmmm, this is a good question

Sometimes I sleep heavy and sometime light but my guess would be heavy sleeping would be the best conditions for this.

Hey Meesh,

A good way to remember your dreams is to keep some paper and a pen by your bed. Tell yourself you wish to wake up right after you have a dream and write it down.....even if it doesnt make sense to you at the time. The things that can come out of this are very interesting.


ok, im going to try and clarify, for my own understanding,
before i go to bed i tell myself i wish to wake up right after i have a dream. and after i wake up i write it down? is that right?
and when you say write it down, do you mean write, like a story, or write quick notes (bullets, maybe?) or draw it?
Thanks, Moon Child!
-Meesh
Moon_Child
QUOTE(meesh @ Jan 3 2007, 10:35 AM) [snapback]1483514[/snapback]
ok, im going to try and clarify, for my own understanding,
before i go to bed i tell myself i wish to wake up right after i have a dream. and after i wake up i write it down? is that right?
and when you say write it down, do you mean write, like a story, or write quick notes (bullets, maybe?) or draw it?
Thanks, Moon Child!
-Meesh



Yes, that is correct about the directions........usually I say it very firmly in my mind when I first get into bed. You may not wake the first time but keep trying and eventually it will work.

Write it as it comes to you. It may not make much sense immediately but you may make sense of it later. Drawing it sounds like a great way to remember it as well but you have to be aware that your mind will try to make sense of it and may change some aspects of what you recollect.

Just try to keep it as unaltered as you can.

Good luck and happy dreaming/travels,

Moon_Child
Unreality
QUOTE(meesh @ Jan 1 2007, 11:33 PM) [snapback]1482158[/snapback]
im just throwing this out there, but maybe you felt so heavy cause you were drunk, drinking and drugs can affect the projection

Yeah that's what I was trying to say. I think I still had some stuff in my system, that might have made me heavy.
Twisted
Has anybody ever tried OBE cds? I have a few and they seem to work great for me and the one that works the best is only 20 minutes long and it jolts you back to your body as soon as it ends so the experience is short. These CDs put you in a meditation state real quick and from there you can slip into the AP.
meesh
QUOTE(Twisted @ Jan 3 2007, 01:02 PM) [snapback]1484870[/snapback]
Has anybody ever tried OBE cds? I have a few and they seem to work great for me and the one that works the best is only 20 minutes long and it jolts you back to your body as soon as it ends so the experience is short. These CDs put you in a meditation state real quick and from there you can slip into the AP.

ya, i herd about those. my dad has meditation cd's which im gonna try tonight. he has a lot, im going to experiment and see which works best, he has a cd for each state of consiousness (that i know of) alpha, beta, theta, and delta. and i think that the correct order, i used his alpha one last night, but i wasnt relaxed enough, so, im going to skip over to delta, (which is supposed to put you to sleep really quickly) so i think if i can keep my mind active while my phisical body falls asleep i might have a chance!
i know its not specificly an OBE cd, but it will at least help me relax. if none of these cds work after a while, i might just have to go out and get an OBE cd though)
i have a question though, Twisted, the cd you use, when you say it jolts you back do you mean you jolt back when the cd stops, or the cd makes a noise ment to jolt you back? what about this.....say you had a helper, would it be possible for a second person to quietly turn the cd player off (without them accidently jolting you back) so you can have an even longer astral experience?
thanks
-meesh
HowdyDoo
Okay, I've been reading this rather long thread, and decided to give this a try last night. I tried to meditate and relax, and found myself falling to sleep (I think). In my dream, I was rising up and levitating, but only a few feet at a time. I would actually start twirling a bit, and I could really feel the sensation of floating. I was surrounded by two friends of mine, but I doubt they would have been astral traveling--it would be the farthest thing from their minds.

I don't think this was astral experience, but something happened. I haven't had a dream like this since I was a little girl. (I used to dream of flying a few feet above the ground when I was very young. I could also go out on a windy day, close my eyes, and actually feel as if I was flying, along with seeing things from a bird's eye view.)

I'm really tired today, though. Not sure if I'm going to try this again for a few days.

Any opinions?
Randyman1986
I don't know what's been happening to me but sometimes I don't induce the meditation while half asleep and half awake I find my self trancing out of my body (but i didn't recognize the paralysis nor the rush of air or vibrations etc.

I just wake up to this lifting sensation an find my self suspended about 6ft above my body it's happened to me 6 times now but I had no success with getting out side of my apartment I just go to the ceiling and I get gently reeled back into my body.
Twisted
QUOTE(meesh @ Jan 3 2007, 09:30 PM) [snapback]1485132[/snapback]
ya, i herd about those. my dad has meditation cd's which im gonna try tonight. he has a lot, im going to experiment and see which works best, he has a cd for each state of consiousness (that i know of) alpha, beta, theta, and delta. and i think that the correct order, i used his alpha one last night, but i wasnt relaxed enough, so, im going to skip over to delta, (which is supposed to put you to sleep really quickly) so i think if i can keep my mind active while my phisical body falls asleep i might have a chance!
i know its not specificly an OBE cd, but it will at least help me relax. if none of these cds work after a while, i might just have to go out and get an OBE cd though)
i have a question though, Twisted, the cd you use, when you say it jolts you back do you mean you jolt back when the cd stops, or the cd makes a noise ment to jolt you back? what about this.....say you had a helper, would it be possible for a second person to quietly turn the cd player off (without them accidently jolting you back) so you can have an even longer astral experience?
thanks
-meesh

The CD just cuts off and stops, then for some reason you get jolted back to your body instead of stayin in the OBE state. The sounds split your energy from your physical and you really can tell the difference after a few relaxing minutes. I guess when it stops something happens and your energy gets sling shotted back to the physical.

I don't think that will work with a second person, I notice myself if there is any type of disturbance I get shot back to my body. The presence of someone physically in the room with you well your projecting can have an affect. Atleast it does with me. Plus I think the sound itself is what puts you in that state so if you cut it, it purposely brings you back. The CDs are aids for people who need help having and OBE, its good for binginner but if you wanna master it you have to do it without the CDs. I use the CDs for a quick AP thrill lol!
Firoza
QUOTE(moomooman @ Feb 1 2006, 08:15 AM) [snapback]1043811[/snapback]
Sounds like they're getting astral projection and OBE's jumbled together. They may be similar but are probably diferent.


I may be wrong , but i´snt A OBE when your conciousnes is transfered to the eteric body and not the astral ?
Or maybe OBE is the term for all out of body experiences both on the eteric and astral planes?
I´m no expert, and I dont know how to remove this message so just ignore this.
meesh
QUOTE(Twisted @ Jan 4 2007, 08:58 AM) [snapback]1486176[/snapback]
The CD just cuts off and stops, then for some reason you get jolted back to your body instead of stayin in the OBE state. The sounds split your energy from your physical and you really can tell the difference after a few relaxing minutes. I guess when it stops something happens and your energy gets sling shotted back to the physical.

I don't think that will work with a second person, I notice myself if there is any type of disturbance I get shot back to my body. The presence of someone physically in the room with you well your projecting can have an affect. Atleast it does with me. Plus I think the sound itself is what puts you in that state so if you cut it, it purposely brings you back. The CDs are aids for people who need help having and OBE, its good for binginner but if you wanna master it you have to do it without the CDs. I use the CDs for a quick AP thrill lol!

ok, so what about putting th cd on repeat?
but, ya, i still want to master it on my own my the time im older. i just hope it doesnt take years to acomplish.
aztek
is it posible, while you in astral to go underwater, or under ground?
Shankpin
QUOTE(Socrates @ Dec 1 2006, 04:17 AM) [snapback]1445715[/snapback]
Wrong. That is exactly the opposite thing one should do during an encounter with a negative entity. Attacking it is only going to worsen your situation. Negs feed off negative energy, and using a 'good sharpened blade' against one is likely to make the entity stronger and attract similar entities. If you encounter a neg, calmly ask that you return to your body. If this fails. Try sending it love. This sounds ridiculous, but it works. The entity will dissolve before your eyes. Emotions are very influential in the astral and love is extremely damaging to negs.



-- my sister has been able to lucid dream for years now. SInce she was really young. In her early teens she started SP (it really scared her, we didn't know what it was until later, she never got a handle on controlling it-- not even now). But now, in her twenties she is projecting after these sp episodes (we merely *think* it's projecting) Please understand she NEVER intended to AP!!! She is attempting to stop physically what is going on in the other ( what do you call it-- plaine?)!! She does not want to travel here, she is having to experience complete terror (physically fighting etc,. ) We have called this a very rare and extreme form of sleep paralysis until here recently *someone* mentioned her releasing herself during these experiences of (SP)-- a possible AP experience is occuring after the fact. But a boundery has been crossed apparently or something with her. PLEASE!! I need some advice here for her. How do you get some control over something like this? What and if you have made this "entity stronger and attract similar entities" and you have asked it to leave you, nothing changes it. what do you do then?

btw, im not trying to scare anyone -- we just need to know what is going on, and hopefully make it stop..
Randyman1986
If she wants to shut down the process tell her to try and focus on moving 1 part of her body for example her fingers or toes and that'll help her get up out of the paralysis I'm just getting the hang of Astral Projection some times when I'm too tired to practice I start to get the paralysis and heaviness although I didn't induce it I just move my fingers so my toes and in about 10-15 seconds she'll have full movement and she needs to get up for a while because if she just lay there the paralysis will come back.

And if she's having negative experience ask her to pray to God to remove any negativity I had a few negative encounters (read my earlier posts) now that I've gotten rid of them my experiences are getting better and better, but try it and see what happens.
Shankpin
QUOTE(Randyman1986 @ Jan 6 2007, 11:44 AM) [snapback]1489740[/snapback]
And if she's having negative experience ask her to pray to God to remove any negativity I had a few negative encounters (read my earlier posts) now that I've gotten rid of them my experiences are getting better and better, but try it and see what happens.


Thanks so much for your reply Randy!! (...)

--She has passed that part, she has prayed before and even during these episodes (still is), heck, she even started going to church!! It's as though whatever is going on - it's taken control her her now. That her words to me.

I believe she is projecting while trying to release her self from this SP by accident, not on purpose. And somehow has gotten into something else without realilzing it, maybe spiritual--. Is that possible with this AP stuff?? I don't know what is going on!!
(( she suffers from this a few nights out of the month on an average..this was her last experience about three weeks ago or so))

Starts out as SP it seems---> Hears the baby cry (always a baby crying that warns her) She is paralyzed/cant yell for help, right! Hideous man walks into the room (he looks like the "elephant man in a high back cape," she says- I know it's crazy but that is what she says.)
She concentrates on her finger (really hard) to move it (as I have told her to do to try to get out of the SP),

Then it changes????--> She is suddenly "released" (as she puts it) and is DRUG up the wall by her shoulders (feeling sucked now, isn't paralyzed anylonger, weird control...slow motion movement, she says she is trying to stop the dragging using her legs, & atttempting to grab whoever is pulling her from behind her head.-
She is drug across the ceiling "around the ceiling fan," to fall (she feels it's a very long fall, "distorted") unto the bed,

--then she is being picked up by this man by her feet-- is SPUN AROUND THE ROOM IN CIRCLES by this thing... she CAN SEE herself as she passes by the mirror-- being span really fast. Dizzy!! She can hold her arms out to attempt to grab something, but there is nothing to grab... she says things appear close to her but are farther away than they look--

The end of this episode she is being placed face down on the bed. and is moved off the side where her upper body is hanging off the side of the bed. (She said hideous man's "assistants") are sitting on her legs, and this man is at her head.. he is moving her upper body up and down off the side of the bed she is moving like this really fast-- he controls this by the motion of his one hand. ------

and it takes her about a week to get over it (she felt like she did a gudzillion crunches after the swinging off the side of the bed). To only have another. Another thing, she has watched the time (clock radio) before during one attack and was fully aware of the clock and the minutes ticking away... if this dreaming, how in hades is this possible?..
darkbreed
QUOTE(aztek @ Jan 4 2007, 11:51 PM) [snapback]1487077[/snapback]
is it posible, while you in astral to go underwater, or under ground?


Yes, you can go anywhere you want. Under water, under ground, up in space, to other planets, etc.
Toxic Flood
I've always known about astral projection and I've tried to do it before, but wasn't sure how. This thread helped because it explained the sensations you get while it's happening.

I remember a few times when I was about 13 and trying to sleep. Right before I fell asleep I would get this loud, sort of electric noise and this bright light was everywhere, sort of like a head rush. The energy and light and noise would get louder and stronger and brighter until it would sort of "pop" and it would all stop, and start over again. This would go on for about 10 minutes per episode, and I remember just trying not to do anything, sort of relax my whole body and not think about moving or anything, because it felt good.

Never knew what it was, now I have an idea. grin2.gif
Randyman1986
To Sunny98 I think that she is having some sort of spiritual awakening the same things happen to me and she is not going crazy as you make the split and reenter from astral projection sometimes you'll get temporary hypnotic hallucinations but I don't believe that they're hallucinations I think they could be subconscious projections of her thoughts or feelings or she could be seeing the creation levels because every time I project I see weird things apoun exit and reentry and some of the things I see I know they're subconscious projections of my thoughts and feelings because I have a phobia of Cockroaches and Waterbugs and I see them when I try to Astral Project sometimes 100 times their original size I'm still working on fixing a few things especially that.

But Astral Projection is a very spiritual enlightening experience if used correctly I got into it because I was a victim of sleep paralysis for a lot of years and not knowing what was going on until I woke up one morning from a dream with electrical like surges going across my back and those unusual things that I saw and the buzzing/humming sounds I googled it right away once I regained body movement and I came across this web page that lists the symptoms of Astral Projection I have alittle more control over it now but there is a lot hat I need to learn spiritually and that's good that she started going to church and it'll help dispel the negative entities I go to church too when I have the time and I read bible verses, ask her to pray to God and ask him to show her the way.
Shankpin
QUOTE(Randyman1986 @ Jan 7 2007, 06:55 AM) [snapback]1490919[/snapback]
But Astral Projection is a very spiritual enlightening experience if used correctly I got into it because I was a victim of sleep paralysis for a lot of years and not knowing what was going on until I woke up one morning from a dream with electrical like surges going across my back and those unusual things that I saw and the buzzing/humming sounds


From what I've read other's experiences w/ AP, they are 'enlightening' & pleasant, or joyful. -
She has been aware of her SP for a long time now. In her words, she claims to have never had a good moment in these episodes.. she has tried to go with it, and also has attempted to get out of it by focusing on moving something small (finger), but she will release unto another "area" (it seems) regardless what she does- .
Who?
QUOTE(Socrates @ Jan 26 2006, 11:09 AM) [snapback]1035955[/snapback]
Ecclesiastes 12:6-12:7:

"Remember [your Creator] — before the silver cord is severed,
or the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
or the wheel broken at the well,
and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it."


Erm... Sorry to tell you but...
A. Don't go translate what you think the bible is saying if it is controversial
B. Doesn't the bible say not to practice sorcery and ect. + physic? Correct me if Im wrong, which i know im not cause I read it every day.
C. And what you call astral projection... you need to go see a doctor. I know im contradicting what i said earlier, but i grew a year older tongue.gif

Those visions are dreams bud. Sorry to break it to ya. And go see a phyciatrist(dont really care how its spelled so dont bother to correct me)
incarnatehellraiser
what happens if you cant will yourself back into your body? im going to try astral projection tonight.
JavanMJFan
Thats impossible you cant lose your physical body.
Randyman1986
Yeah any thought or feelings about the physical world or your body you'll automatically get pulled back in.
leos saint
I was wondering if there are times of the year that you shouldnt attempt astral projection because my mom said if i attempt it during this time of the year (nov.- dec.) I could end up battling for my soul?
brave_new_world
Timothy leary's dead.
No, no, no, no, he's outside looking in.
Timothy leary's dead.
No, no, no, no, he's outside looking in.
He'll fly his astral plane,
Takes you trips around the bay,
Brings you back the same day,
Timothy leary. timothy leary.

Timothy leary's dead.
No, no, no, no, he's outside looking in.
Timothy leary's dead.
No, no, no, no, he's outside looking in.
He'll fly his astral plane,
Takes you trips around the bay,
Brings you back the same day,
Timothy leary. timothy leary.

Along the coast you'll hear them boast
About a light they say that shines so clear.
So raise your glass, we'll drink a toast
To the little man who sells you thrills along the pier.

He'll take you up, he'll bring you down,
He'll plant your feet back firmly on the ground.
He flies so high, he swoops so low,
He knows exactly which way he's gonna go.
Timothy leary. timothy leary.

He'll take you up, he'll bring you down,
He'll plant your feet back on the ground.
He'll fly so high, he'll swoop so low.
Timothy leary.

He'll fly his astral plane.
He'll take you trips around the bay.
He'll bring you back the same day.
Timothy leary. timothy leary.
Timothy leary. timothy leary.
Timothy leary.

---the moody blues
FrankBlunt
QUOTE(leos saint @ Jan 9 2007, 11:19 PM) [snapback]1495074[/snapback]
I was wondering if there are times of the year that you shouldnt attempt astral projection because my mom said if i attempt it during this time of the year (nov.- dec.) I could end up battling for my soul?


I would suggest asking your mother what her basis is for such a claim. I don't attempt shopping on Black Friday, but that's another story...
SandDunePsychonaut
terrence mckenna is cool
Firoza
I have a question : Do your head have to face north if you want to AP? I mean exacly how important is your position?

I have tried to AP with my head facing south and the only things I experienced was being jolted back to my body and having a lucid dream some night after.


When i was a kid i used to almost AP but was hindered by fear. I have also noticed that the temperature can affect AP.
Apperantly you should be warm in a confortable way. I have had AP:ish experiences in warm rooms ( The element on full heat and lying on a electricaly heated matress)
Randyman1986
QUOTE(Firoza @ Jan 12 2007, 11:07 AM) [snapback]1498341[/snapback]
I have a question : Do your head have to face north if you want to AP? I mean exacly how important is your position?

I have tried to AP with my head facing south and the only things I experienced was being jolted back to my body and having a lucid dream some night after.
When i was a kid i used to almost AP but was hindered by fear. I have also noticed that the temperature can affect AP.
Apperantly you should be warm in a confortable way. I have had AP:ish experiences in warm rooms ( The element on full heat and lying on a electricaly heated matress)



It doesn't matter which direct your head is facing when I lay down in my bed my head faces east and I can astral project and the temperature does effects some people it effects me the temperature around me had to be at least 76 degrees F (about 24 C) and the warmest I astrally projected in was 82 degrees F (about 28 C).
Firoza
QUOTE(Randyman1986 @ Jan 12 2007, 10:10 PM) [snapback]1498769[/snapback]
It doesn't matter which direct your head is facing when I lay down in my bed my head faces east and I can astral project and the temperature does effects some people it effects me the temperature around me had to be at least 76 degrees F (about 24 C) and the warmest I astrally projected in was 82 degrees F (about 28 C).




Good to hear that from somebody else. I usually get hung up on details which causes some negative thinking wich is not constructing when trying to AP.
Maybe the whole heat thing has to do with relaxation or something.
NeedAnswers
hey ppl i hav a few questions i need answered about AP before i try it. First is it scarey the first couple of times that you try? what do you see when your astro projecting, i mean does time stop or does everythng go on the same, i mean does time still go by? when your in AP form are you nude or what? Can you go into someones dreams or contact some who is in the phisical state? And finally what do you see when you in ap realm, ghosts, demons angels?
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