Yea I suppose I would be upset also if someone I thought was a friend was lieing to me from the begining.............
But once again I apologize........... I shouldnt have started pointing fingures or anything. I have no proof and really no plausable reason to think that.

Holy crap! Morian, Raven and Socrates are all the same person.

Hahahahahaaa...

ahhh.. jk

Well anyway back to the atral projection..........
Every since I started trying to do it I have started to have dreams everynight. And what is odd is most of the time I dont remember the. But I have started to remember them every time.

We all have dreams every night. Sometimes we don't remember them. If you want to get better with dream working, the first step is to start a dream journal.

Keep it by your bed, and when you first wake up write down every detail from all your dreams.

Thats a good idea, but sometimes I dont know if it will mean anything........ And I dont wanna right pointless info. But im gonna try and astro travel again tonight. Ill post my results tomarrow.

The point of a dream journal is to get to know your dreams better. Study it, and eventually you'll be able to recognize when you're dreaming. Also, when you write stuff down it goes through more senses and activates more areas of your brain leading to better understanding.

Lately I've been losing concentration it's frustrating once I get out I'm always stuck and can't move once my astral body splits and then I'm pulled back in I'll try again later on it's been 3 weeks since I consciously projected I hope that this time I can get farther than my ceiling.

I already know when Im dreaming. Its just that when I awake sometimes I dont remember. I have full control over my dreams. I have been able to control it every since my mom told me could when I was a kid.

Have you tried astral projecting through your lucid dreams?

No I didnt know what astral travel was in tell recently, but I experienced astral travel long ago. So I am now trying it........

Well, if you're good at lucid dreaming you should practice astral projecting from it.

Im going to tonight

hey i read ur topic about astral traveling and had a question i know some one who felt as if they woke up and found them self out side a house they couldnt controll anny thing heard a scream when bak home it was later found that there was a murder at that exact house is this astral traveling and if so how come he was unable to controll anny thing
the same person has woken up parelized even unable to make a sound louder than a mumbeling do you know wat could of caused this?

thanks for reading my rambeling on and will be delighted to c wat you have to say!

that was all a dream. astral travel is the feeling of conscious you have right now when awaken. it is possible to view outside events that are happening in our reality by projecting to the Etheric plane(our world) but not the astral plane which is a different world. when astral projecting the person would of noticed his body on the bed or if he hadn't look...his bedroom.

if the person was unable to move when he woke up then he had sleep sleep paralyze. this is when the conscious is disconnected to the physical body, one is able to project and move away from the physical body and enter the astral realm. this is how i've been able to experience the astral realm.

found this forum dedicated to astral travel and has a free book to read. havn't read it yet tho.

http://www.astralsociety.com/as/Forum/inde...ic,16939.0.html

I'm hoping to try astral traveel through lucid dreaming as well.
I started a dream journal a couple of months ago but stopped after 10 or more dreams. In a book I have that tells you how to Lucid Dream, it says that I should know my Dream Signs & Dream Signals. Now I'm pretty sure I know them after looking back on each dream but I was wondering will they still be similar if I restarted the dream journal again. (I really want to astral travel through lucid dreaming and this would be great if I can hopefully make some progress on lucid dreaming before I have to go back to school soon!)
P.S. Sorry if I went a little off-topic.

I have a question I never had tried to "astral plane" or "astral travel" but I have experienced strange noises; someone calling your name and a weird sensation as if i fell from a tall building then i suddenly awake...this has happened on many occasions. My question is this a sensation one would feel if they were beginning to astral travel oh something like that?

Yea that is what you are suppose to feal before it happends.

Astral travel or Wake Initiated Lucid Dreaming. I'm still on my search for answers to that mystery that I can't figure out. If anyone has answers for the similarities of WILD and astral travel (or differences), please reply.

I have read somewhere that some people do in fact believe WILD is astral travel or astral travel is WILD.

I'm not sure neither but from what I read from professionals Albert Taylor's book Soul Traveler and William Buhlman's book Adventures Beyond The Body said that Lucid Dreaming and Astral projection are some how related, but I've yet to find out how.

i've got uni now, stress leads to sp and sp leads to astral projection.

Hmm. You know what's weird? A few years ago, I used to be so afraid of ghosts that, whenever I was admitted to the hospital, I'd have a nurse sit with me until I fell asleep. Whenever they tried to leave the room, my body jolted.. my whole body just jolted upwards. It still happens, but on occasion.

Thanks for posting an intersting topic, I think I may have had an experience like you explained.

I live in Australia(I dont know if that is relavent), I was on a deisel train from one end of the line to my home near the other end. At the time I felt a bit drowsy from being out all day. I closed my eyes and tried to picture myself standing in the train a few steps from where i was sitting, I felt a slight tingle in my neck and I appeared to have stood up out of my body, my vision(appearing black and white or a sort of light grey) inside what had came from me. I thought I was just imagining so I decided to fly from the train to my home, and I did this. I went into my lounge room and sat in one of the chairs, after a few seconds of this I stood up and drifted to my room and laid on my bed, this lasted for a minute of so. I left the house and stood on the train tracks that pass by my house, the train came and went through me, my body came up from behind me and I landed in it, recieving a slight jolt. Opening my eyes I realised that I had reconnected exactly where my spirit(call it what you will) was standing.
I hadn't looked behind me to see if I had a silver thread connecting me to my body, nor did I see or hear any guide.
Is this a genuine OBE or was it just my imagination?

p.s. sorry if I seem to have written too much, I like to be detailed.

To Raven - If you have yet to give in - I honestly do not care what your opinion is of me, nor how hard you try to convince others that I am some kind of criminal mastermind. The point is - our personal conflict occured outside of these forums and outside of the topic of astral projection - the fact that I played countless tricks on you is irrelevant to the topic of astral projection.

Let the discussion on astral projection continue.

hey its me again another thing every time i try to astraltravel i think something trys to stop me because i can imnagen myself there for about 1 min but then i found it imposible to then imagen me self and every time i try to astral travel i fell as if me gut is punched super hard but i fell no pain its hard to describe

Just ignore everything and stay focused. If you can't visualize yourself, you need to practice visualizing.

However many times did we discuss Astral Projection together, and as you lied to me about everything else I tried to discuss with you, how do I know the things you told me about astral projection were not false? Those who you have lied to on here and been caught also completely believed and trusted you. The point is, this is your thread, and any advice you give out about Astral Projection could then be a lie, and be potentially dangerous to the projector. It is the point of ruining your credibility entirely by proving you have no sense of the human "right" and "wrong" that is the most dangerous aspect to all of us. The only reason I posted the result of our personal conflict was to make people aware that you have no conscience against lying and ushering people into your sinister schemes.

Sinister schemes? I assure you Raven, I am completely harmless. I managed to fool you with a simple and somehwhat ridiculous prank - to be honest, at first I thought you were going along with it. That's how obvious it was that I was playing games with you after a hard day's work. Please - I have no longer the time nor the inclination to argue about this further. I hope we can somehow agree to disagree.

hello

im kinda new to this topic and find everything about APing very interesting.
i have read all 86 pages (thats right ALL of them) and tried to AP a few times the last 3 weeks after finding this forum.

however i need to say this : i know for a fact that what socrates posted on this forum about APing is in fact true, i have bin reading on diffrent pages and forums before and a lot of pages says the same
so i for once belive him.

now for some questions

i had a couple of things happend to me while trying to ap (i didnt wake up 4 in the morning yet but im getting there, tho i kinda go to sleep at that time Oo)
anyway il post what happend :

first time i tried i got this really REALLY high pulse and a strange feeling of being exited and scared at the same time flowing throu my boddy (hard to explane) but after a little i just got out of bed cuz i got scared of my high pusle.. and it returned to normal and i just went to sleep.

second time i got like a tiny feeling like my hands started to vibrate and i tryed to focus but then it just kinda faded and it wouldnt come back so i went to sleep.

third time (last night) was the closest untill now (i think) i first started to get some vibrations and i could feel some strange things.. like almost if i was sinking a little (but not much) then the weirdest thing happend... my arm felt as if it got pulled up more and more and i started to react and it stopped.. i was kinda anoyed about that cuz i felt like i got closer to aping....

and almost every day since i started trying if nothing special happend i almost anyway seem to get a jolt before falling asleep... i eaven got it only in my left arm lol

i feel i can relax my boddy almost if not completely 100% (till i cant feel anything) i think my main problem is cancentration.. i always seem to think of something... and about the high pulse, does it have anything to do whit ap? any help would be really great and im sorry if the post got a little long

And what was the prank, that you could remote view? It's not quite so ridiculous once you take into consideration you've started and led an 86-page thread on astral projection.

I've always wanted to say "Quothe the Raven" Oh uh, sorry.

After looking through portions of this thread; if it makes you feel any better, Socrates appears to be accepting credit for simple techniques which he didn't invent, it's no more (His) technique than that he communicates with (His) english.

My experience has been that out of body experiences and lucid dreaming are two sides of the same coin, it's meaningless to speak of one without the other, and from a state of either you can reach the other easily enough.

And Socrates' technique seems to consist mostly of well-known ways for helping to induce lucid experiences. Whether it's an "astral projection" or a "lucid dream" once it's begun depending on the expectations of the participant. The involvement of remote viewing or other "powers" is quite besides the point.

Though (like you?) I find differences between public statements and private "pranks" to be a bit annoying, they must surely be a reflection on personal character.

I know this is pretty long but I hope you guys read it, its pretty interesting and I think it might help some of you who are trying to project. This is the story of my first projection which took place yesterday, march 3rd.

Well I finally did it. My first controlled astral projection. I came to these forums about 4 months ago after accidently becoming aware that I was sleeping which led to a very short AP but I expeerienced Sleep Paralysis like 3 times. It just sort of happens to me all the time without me having to concentrate on it or think about it. After it initially happened to me I tried to do it again and was always thinking about it. I got nothing and a few months later I had given up.

Anyway without even thinking about it it ALWAYS happens to me under these conditions. What happens is I realize that I am both awake and asleep at the same time and as soon as that happens I realize that I'm in the astral plane and I want to attempt projecting. As soon as I become aware that I am both awake and asleep I hear many things. 90% of the time though its one of 2 things, a very loud distinct buzzing sound or voices. My first 2 experiences were frightening as I was unaware of what was going on and I awoke in Sleep Paralysis. I have felt myself partly leaving my body, I felt myself floating but could not see, among a few other things but I could not completely leave my body and experience it fully.

Until today. It was Saturday yesterday and I went to bed at around midnight. Well I woke up at around 8am and was still tired. I got up for a second and was about to log onto my pc but I decided it was too early and I would go back to bed. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT, each time I have been able to get myself into that state of sleeping but being aware of it it was under these conditions; waking up after 5-8 hours of sleep but only for a few minutes and then going back to sleep. During this time your so tired your mind is clear, your not worried about projecting or anything. So anyway I went back to bed and then had once again realized that I asleep but I could still think. Anyways then I thought about projecting and the second I did that I heard 2 weird voices that scared me a bit because they were different from ones I have heard in the past. Then I felt myself literally floating out of my body, this sensation was amazing, it felt great and at the same time I knew it was working for the first time. Then I could see. I was FLOATING in my room. This sensation was insane. At that time I wasn't excited, I wasn't worried or scared, I wasn't thinking anything. I was just aware of what had just happened and was enjoying how it felt. After about 10 seconds I knew my parents were awake and were downstairs and I wanted to test this and see if they were there. I went through the floor and floated into my living room seeing my parents there. the excitement of it though made me lose focus and the next thing I knew I was jolted back into my body and I woke up.

Now I know some people might not believe me or dismiss it as a hallucination or just my mind playing tricks on me. But if you experience this you know its real.

After my first sleep paralysis experiences and my state of being awake and asleep at the same time I was almost obsessed with trying to get it to happen again.

I had so many questions, "When im in the astral do I have to open my eyes?" Do I have to imagine myself in another part of my room once I become conscious of being asleep?" "Do I have to do this and that"? And each person on these forums had their own way of doing it that worked for them. Anyways this is the first time I've been able to experience and enjoy it and I hope it happens again. Just wanted to share my story.

One person who wrote about his astral travels and pshycic abilities was sir Edgar Cayce he could read from a book called the Akkashic records where everything known in the universe subsides

Well done raven, well said. Well if socrates can lie to a 'friend' he can and is lying to everyone else. There is no such thing as astral projection, if anyone trying it had an ounce of scientific knowledge, you could see that.

So if anyone tries to Ap, i will be laughing at you knowing I will have a nice, long uninterrupted sleep.

A question for Socrates.
I find it impossible to fall asleep lying on my back. In your technique, it is required to drift off into sleep.
Must this be done on your back lying flat? Or can this be done in any comfortable position?
I usually sleep on my stomach.
Thank you.

Each time it happens to me I'm on my side or on my stomach so I don't think it matters. I tried lying flat on my back and I wasn't too comfortable with it. Anyway good luck .

well see me laugh at you and your ignorant "i only belive in solid proof" mind HAHAHA!

also can someone please reply to my post please?

I get that high pulse thing too.It can be terrifying.I have read that its not really your heart but its your heart chakra.Dont know if thats true.

Vibrations are a sign that your nearly out but sometimes they are such a distraction that they can stop you exiting.You have to learn not to let them be a distraction.If you get them enough they wont come as a surprize anymore..

I did this by accident at the lake. Now keep in mind that I have been trying this for awhile.
But anyway I was at the lake (it was a long night of partying) and I finally around 5 in the morning started to dose off. As it was happening I could still here my friend and his girlfriend talking so I felt somewhat comforable. But as I started to fall deaper to sleep. There voices were getting further and further away. And the next thing I knew was that I was floating about 400 yards away in the woods. I kinda looked around for about 5 seconds and when I relized what was going on everything went black.

i can always get my arms out, but getting up and out of bed is hard for me. I don't float automatically, but once im in control i can see everything in extremely sharp detail and go through walls if i want.
sometimes i hear a sound like a cow going "moooo" when i'm going in and out of body :/

anyone else just chill when they're paralyzed? If you do you can usually at least get a lucid dream
(much more fun because scenes are made for you = no wasted concentration)

Could someone post a reply to my story, I hate not knowing if I can Astral project or not, if my story sounds like one of yours or sounds like a crock of Insert word here then please let me know. My story is on page 85.

Ok. I'll admit. I'm a bit of a skeptic when it comes to these kinds of things. On the plus side, i'm an open minded skeptic.
I read most of the forum, and decided it wouldn't hurt to try it, so I did.

I did everything Socrates said to do in the instructions he left.
But a problem arose. I was laying down, and I cleared my head mostly, and I was focusing on my breathing to keep from thinking other thoughts. Then, all these pictures started going through my mind so i thought "ok this isnt going to work if i cant clear my head at all" so i tried to clear them, and then there was this one picture in my head of a man or boy standing across a long room, and then he was closer and then closer and then all i saw was his face in my head.
My entire body jolted. Pretty much out of fear.
I got up, turned on the light, and watched employee of the month to get my mind off of it.
The next night I did the same thing. I laid down, cleared my head, and this time i tried to listen to that buzzing sound you guys were always talking about.
nothing happened for what felt like 5 or 6 minutes, and then this vivid picture of a woman off to my left appeared. she was pointing at me, angrily, and my entire body jolted again.
this time i turned on my light, left the room, and watched stranger than fiction.
needless to say, im too much of a pansy to try it again.

Is any of this right? I didnt feel vibrations or anything, just two big jolts. whats going on?
oh yeah, and im keeping a dream journal, and ive got two of them in there, but i dont know what they mean. i think i do, but not all the way.
any help would be pretty cool.

Maybe it's just random hypnogogic imagery that happens to be of people. There's nothing strange about this imagery, but it does seem a bit creepy. Keep this in mind: In dreams what you believe will occur, will happen. So maybe this applies to hypnogogic imagery? Possibly, after the first night, it may have been on your mind so you saw something else that was strange.

I bring up dreams because I study Wake-Initiated Lucid Dreaming (WILD). In WILD, you go through exactly the same process that you do in Astral Projection. In WILD, the challenge is ignoring the hypnogogic imagery, vibrations, etc., and focusing on your breathing or something else. That way you can stay conscious the entire time until you enter a lucid dream (which occurs after the HI, vibrations, etc., subsides). The Astral Projecting process is no different except for the intent, and what you do. In WILD, you "wait out" sleep paralysis. In AP, I think you begin to leave your body.

I haven't APed before, but with my experiences with WILD, I can say it's definitely nothing to worry about. You have to get used to the signs/symptoms. But I recommend doing more research for an absolute answer.

ok, so im not going crazy jolting to random pictures. yeah, its true, i was thinking hardcore how much i wanted this to happen before i cleared my head, which might have induced the imagery.
good point. im kind of curious about this WILD thing too. ive had a lucid dream before. i dont remember much, but i remember i was standing in line at a gas station in my dream when i realized i was dreaming. so i decided to walk outside and saw a big billboard of a simpsons poster, then i woke up.
very freaky.

this was a long time ago though.
the astral projection stuff happened last night and the night before. i guess ill try it again, but i swear if i see anything scary this time, im sleeping with the lights on for as long as i live lol.

This stuff can be very scary at times. The first time i had a self-induced lucid dream it was during a nightmare...
I "woke up" as some kind of weird monster thing, hiding in my basement. I tried my hardest to wake up and my sister across the hall said she could hear me yelling. I was freaked cause my voice sounded like a wailing noise and everyone's face was screwed up.

another time i saw a hypnogogic image of a face with empty eye sockets that flew right up against my face, and yet another time all i saw was swirling red green and yellow light. i was like "sweet, im actually seeing hypnogogic imagery" which i had been reading about for a week

Hypnagogia is a very interesting experience, and apparently not everyone has it. Myself, though, I have an absurd level of it. Whenever I´m sleepy I often doze even when I´m actively doing something, and my reality blends with hypnagogia and creates some pretty unique hallucinations. Happens every single day, and I quite enjoy it. All I need to hallucinate is to become drowsy, and that´s not very hard to do. The images and sensations I get are extremely vivid, and usually with one or all of the senses. Often times there is blackness and simply a voice that I can hear in my head, or multiple voices, carrying on very strange conversations.

um..i have always been really fascinated with this topic, and i REALLY want to try it..but I'm quite reluctant to though..i don't know, i guess i'm just kinda scared and nervous to...but i REALLY REALLY want to...maybe i'll try it in the weekends..

i can remember having one lucid dream (lucid dream is when you know ur dreaming while your dreaming right?). it was i nightmare and i was running for my life and screaming to the air saying to myself "Wake up!" lol it kinda sounds funny.

also, i get MAJOR deja vu like crazy. I get it like all the time. when i see deja vu, i kno remember the image, but i cant remember where i came to know it..for some reason, i feel as if it is connected to dreaming..idk i think the images got in my head subconciously while i'm dreaming, but when i see it it's just really weird. i get it A LOT.

anyways, do these things mean i have astral projection potential? i really want to try it. please keep me informed and help me Socrates!!

Ive only had one experience. When I was about 7-8 years old i had a dream that my dad was passed out drunk on the kitchen floor. I remember trying to wake him up but he wouldnt, then somehow I knew I was dreaming and so I went into my room and it turned into bright colors mixing into one another (like tie-die) and I was screaming to myself to wake up. I dont remember much after that, but it was a dream that always stuck with me and i told many people about it. Some I talk to say they have done that before, some havent. Pretty cool stuff though, if it dont turn into a crazy nightmare...

edit: whoops i was referring to the lucid dreaming post above. lol i didnt realize this was the astral plane thread still. I get lost in this stuff...

its so funny that you mentioned that cuz i just started reading this thread yesterday and it has certainly peaked my interest. im not really a believer in this type of thing but i thought what if.... and why not. anyways, i was sitting in my car waiting for someone for like a half hour listening to infected mushroom (techno) and i was trying very hard to relax and picture myself outside my car looking in at myself laying there, but i couldn't seem to see my face. i pictured myself walking up to the door and seeing the handle but as i panned up to see myself i couldn't seem to focus anymore. i think it's cuz i was stoned out of my mind and i read that drugs interfere, but i felt very relaxed by the techno. you probably answered this somewhere in the 82 pages that i havent read but socrates, would the music interfere with the ability to leave your body? and do you think the weed was in corellation with my inability to focus on seeing myself?

thank you for your time. very very interesting thread

ok well ive been practicing astral projection for a couple of months now......and ive had a similar experience as one of you has said...............one morning i woke up and i just laid there cause i was to tired to get up.Finaly i decided to go back to bed and i had a dream that my brother was sitting beside me, but in reality he is across the world, so i knew this was a dream and right when i thought that, i got a shock and i realized i was asleep and in my bed.When i realized that and came concious again i felt my body shaking violently and my feet felt like they were floating. After about a minute of that i heard a Whoosh-Whoosh sound that realy freaked me out. i got so scared that i tried to stand up but was paralized.finaly it stoped and i stood up and realized I COULD HAVE ASTRAL PROJECTED.well thats my story and i hope this will help someone