hi crtbud420,

the answer to your first question is no, music does not interfere. its good to play relaxing music and it helps you a lot.

And yes the weed was a problem, you should not do drugs the day you wish to ap.


some music does interfere. example: rock rap ect.
try to play relaxing music. good luck

thanks a lot for the response the unexplained. I appreciate the help man.
oh yeah and i read your post before that... that sucks man. don't you hate it when you do that? realize after the fact that you just missed an opportunity. it's just like "damnit.... now i need to learn how to time travel"

you were close though, you'll get it next time. and i'm gonna try your suggestion nextweek cuz im starting school and im gonna stop smoking for a while.

later, crtbud

Hello i am going to try to AP again tonight and i was wondering if you guys know any good music that might help me project.. i think it was mentioned somewhere in the topic but i cant remember all 87 pages >.< so if anyone knows any good relaxing music please let me know

hey sephiroth976,

if you want good music listen to New Age music.It helps you a lot.I dont know if you have any, but if you dont, try to listen to music that calms your mind and listen to music that you dont know. Cause you want to be totally calm and have no thought except about you technique. GOOD LUCK!

I have seen some good music like that used for meditation. It should help.

Wow talk about timing i was just checking the forum now before going to bed

Anyway i dont have any new age musc (yet) but i have other music that might help me relax so i think i might try that for now, also some of my music is japanese.. might help me not knowing the text. anyway tnx for the tip

well good luck sepiroth976.anyways, whats happened to the forum? Everyone just quit posting. why?

Maybe they finally read my post.

Hopefully they did.

Probably. If you want to be credible in this field, refraining from lying about topics in the field would help. Otherwise, it can blow up to mass confusion.

You know even tho he might just be a big lyer.. a lot of what he sayd on this topic about APing matches a lot of other pages and he did in fact help some people so i dont think he lyed about everything, but i still agree lying in the first place is just stupid

Anyways..
i did not manage to project due to my leak of concentration i lied down trying to think of nothing but leaving my boddy, by the time my boddy started feeling numb all kinds of thoughts just came flying into my head i tryed to block them out but then i started thinking "i have to block them out" then "sh** i cant think that" and so on

so i guess my main problem would be concentration.. any thought? or tips for helping me concentrate? btw im trying again now.. the time being 04:24 AM would probably make it easyer to fall asleep soo... wish me luck

Well good luck. i also have the same type of problem as you.Concentration . i have one tip that might help you. just try to visualize yourself in your room, or anywhere you want to ap to. Well have fun

my problem was concentration as well... along with smokin some reefer.

I will be trying again soon though. why not, right?

I'm curious though, would anyone share stories of specific experiences of APing. like your technique and as much as you can remember of what you did on the astral plane.

thanks, i anticipate your responses....

Dunno if it will help but the times i have gotten any results at all i have bin trying to get the feeling of falling or flying by visualizing myself jumping from a building or simply levitate from my bed,
but the closest i have come to APing was the time when i felt my arm rising more and more... well i started thinking "wow somethings finally happening" and i jolted

Anyway got no results last night so im going to read a little more, see if i can find a better technique maybe.

Okay, this is the first time I posts here, I've been reading this topic for a while and today I finally finished.

But I have 1 thing, is it all this just a LIE? I mean, the fight between The Raven and Socrates. Can ya'll tell me what happen????!!!

God, seriously? All those suggestion, made by Socrates are just a LIE? Not true then? Umm. =(

No everything is not a lie.. Socrates lied to The Raven about being able to remote view him or something like that so the lie would be if he was able to AP at all ( i think )
But i can assure u that what he whrote ABOUT aping is real, i know this cuz i have read a lot of other sites and forums that says the same as he does.

Personally i dont think he is lying about being able to AP at all but thats just me

Maybe thats where he gets all his information from, to make it sound more credible. Seriously you cannot AP, its a big trick. It is physicically and mentaly impossible.

So what ur saying is you dont belive in astral projection? lol...

I haven't tried to deliberately AP but I think u might find my story interesting, it's a bit of an odball compared to other stories on this forum but I think it may be genuine. It's on page 85.

It sounds like u see APing as a conspiracy, rather than a skill. If so I suggest u do some real research into real studies of AP, i'm sure u will find the answers u need there.

I have a theory on APing. You're not really leaving your body, your not really travelling to different places and seeing people go about their business. You are, more or less, imagining it. Your mind is cutting off the outside world and your concious mind is fabricating images and sensations that appear to be real. The jolt is when you rapidly switch back to reality(so to speak), the sensations follow due to the rapid transition and quickly switch back off to coinside with what you are actually feeling, you also rapidly regain control of your muscles which causes you to tense, hence the jolt.
I'm not using this theory against APing, it's just a thought I had. In fact I believe in a lot of paranormal activity to be true, I have a very open mind about topics like this.

Please post your thoughts of my theory in the form of replies.

Good theory but it was mentioned that on this topic that for example: If you and your friend both astral projected, then you would be able to see one another, even have a chat and be able to talk about what they said to one another on the astral plane when they are back in their bodies. Good thinking, similar to Lucid Dreaming though.

That's impossible because of the experiments performed in which the subject would project to a neighboring house, read a newpaper on the table, and return to his original place, only to recite lines to the scientists.

If it's all being imagined, it would be impossible to know any outside facts like this.

Ok this may or may not be stupid to ask... as i think it was asked earlyer in the forum.. but i dont feel like scrolling throu all the pagers again

Im trying to find meditation music to help me get into that trance state thing where you cant feel your boddy but your still fully awake.. i think there was like a 1 hour mp3 or something you could liston to and you would go into that state... but i have no idea what to look for.. so if anyone has it and if its not illegal it would be great whit a upload.. if not that can anyone please give the title i really want to try this

Thanks for the reply, u guys made some interesting points, both of which were the reasons Y i threw out that theory to begin with.
If u guys have any theories of this nature I would be glad to hear them, post replies on this topic if u have any.

Astral travel is lucid dreaming. Conscious dreams.

Errr... now ur just being stupid
I mean comon.. did u eaven read the posts above?

If you want to call someone stupid, at least spell words like "you're", "come on" and "even" correctly.

And no, I haven't read through 89 pages of this topic. But the description of astral travel is exactly the same as lucid dreams. "Going into the astral plane" is sleep paralysis, and finally "leaving your body" is moving into the dream state. If you're talking about the posts that say it's impossible because of previous experiments.. 1: I'd like some proof that they were legitimate tests carried out by legitimate people, and 2: in that case it was likely a precognitive lucid dream.

Hemi-Sync - Waves of Light - Alpha to Theta - Adventures Beyond the Body - Brian Paulson-William Buhlma
As much info as you need and yeah, it is the one track, just differnt parts to the album and people who made it. I currently have it but it is too large to upload. If you want it, I could send it to you some other way.

Ok let me just tell u once that u cannot talk whit ur friends in a lucid dream and then both of u remember what you talked about when u wake up
As for the spelling mistakes... err... dude... im from norway... so it might not be so strange...




How big is it?
And do you know any other ways u could send it? msn maybe?
anyways tnx

Also im going to try AP tonight... I dont think i can concentrate tho due to the fact i was attacked by gangsters who stole my phone
i downloaded another song tho.. dunno if its good or not but i might try this tonight.. if anyone else wants it i can upload it and put a link here
BTW the title of the song is: New Age - Ethno - Asian - Meditation - Reiki Music - Walking through the Forest <-- (long name)

Actually the phenomenon is known as Shared Dreaming. It is believed to be a combinable phenomenon with precognitive dreaming and other phenomena It is difficult to fully validate either phenomena as they both cross the boundaries of psychic/metaphysical ability of sorts. Lucid Dreaming is real, but the psychic-type ability cannot be scientifically validated.

It sounds like you think you know what your talking about, this is a controvercial topic i'll admit, but all it really comes down to is the research undertaken on the topic and whether or not you're willing to believe it. I'm a believer. With the words your pulling out of a thesaurus or a pre-existing page u are degrading all the real studies and research that have been undertaken, the people that have done these have all been mentioned earlier in this forum, study their work and try again later.

Question: If u aren't copying and pasting or usin a thesaurus, then how old are u really and what education are u currently undertaking?

Well,this is no longer true as I have just read the whole topic.

Anyway,I was VERY close to APing last night.It all started when I was ready to fall asleep last night.I thought "I think I
am going to AP tonight" so I went into a comfortable position and began to clear my mind.The next thing I knew,I felt
the feeling of my senses being hightened and I could hear and think way more clearly than I ever had before.Then,
I heard this very loud buzzing sound and before I knew it,my mind began to think again with thoughts like "I did it!" and
"I'm so cool .This broke my concentration and I jolted forward out of bed.

Well,I guess I'll have to try again tonight.

Oh yeah and by the way,sephiroth,I'd like to try that link out if it helps with APing.

I really dunno if it helps but its really relaxing, i didnt get to try it yet but il upload it now and edit this post with the link when its done


EDIT: Heres the link: New Age - Ethno - Asian - Meditation - Reiki Music - Walking through the Forest.mp3 Mirror to megaupload: MIRROR
Also if you try this and it helps please tell me i dont have time to check it out myself yet

EDIT: Updated the first download link so it should work perfect now

Hi. I'm not the type of person who usually reads or writes about this. I only heard the term astral travel for the first time the other day. I am a Christian; a southern baptist. So most of you know my beliefs . One thing I can't explain is something I've been able to do since a child. I was on another site the other day and asked someone what this was. They told me it sounded like astral travel. Well, I keyed it in and I landed here. I'm sorry I have not read through all the pages as I am very busy with my 2 children(ages 1 & 3). I did however read some. This is what I posted in my other group. If you know what this is please tell me. If there are any dangers to me doing this please tell me. Any advice will be appreciated.


I can look in a mirror, stare at myself, mostly in the eyes and totally forget who I am, where I am, if I am human. Its like I have lifted up beyond my body and I'm somewhere else looking at a person(me). I can control it. I can make myself do it and I can make myself come back. My eyesight is fuzzy during this. If I ever look away it goes away immediately. Most of the time I say "hey, I'm Amanda" and I'm immediately back. When I stop I just smile uncontrollably. I feel somewhat giddy. During this I also feel kind of like I'm vibrating, but only my head.
Ok, please don't think I'm crazy. It took alot for me to say this and I would appreciate any advice. Can anyone else do this? Does anyone know what this is? I don't even know if my question is related to this group. I hope it is.

Also I wanted to add that I'm not asleep. I'm standing up and I'm fully aware of everything.

I never said that I know for sure what it is. My opinions are my beliefs and we are all entitled to our own. I simply stated that the topic they were discussing is Shared Dreaming. I never said that Shared Dreaming was Astral Travel. From what I have read, none can fully validate either phenomena scientifically. Maybe the researchers you are referring to have mistakenly thought Shared Dreaming was Astral Travel. Maybe Shared Dreaming actually is Astral Travel. It all comes down to belief at that point (I mean this Dreaming Vs. Astral Travel argument can be discussed for hours going nowhere ).

You are welcome to prove my beliefs (I refer to the "psychic-type phenomena being difficult to validate scientifically"- I am not claiming it doesn't exist; just that it's difficult to prove scientifically) wrong by directing me to a reliable source that says otherwise. I do not see how I am degrading all real studies and research. If they exist, they will probably have more influence on a person's opinion/belief, than a person posting what he's read about and his opinions. Though I will look into the research that has been done. But I don't see how that will make my previous post wrong in anyway. You said yourself that it is all a matter of whether or not you believe the claims of the research.

I also recall you having a post that said you had a theory that Astral Travel was not really Astral Travel. Does that not equally degrade the research and topics as much as my own post (if they indeed had any effect)?

There really is no need for you to question my age and education (do not take this as an attack, as it is not - just a response). Despite the fact that it is probably visible in my profile, I have been taught to speak in a certain way. Sometimes you may catch me posting posts that seem serious (like in this post). There is no reason for me to be using a thesaurus, and I do not. I am curious as to why you question it though, as my manner of speech is not superior or above average. I'm just another forum user posting and chatting along with others

I do respect the fact that you are open to many beliefs, as you have stated. I find it difficult to believe in certain things, even if I wanted to (not this phenomena of course - you never really know until you try it yourself; but even then, you may be left with many questions as to how it works, why, etc.).

YAY post nr 1337
sorry just had to do that.. anyway did anyone check out the mp3 i linked to?

Hmm... Can't get the file to download...Are you the one who uploaded it or did you just find it there?

Hmm... i uploaded it... did u try the megaupload mirror? it should work fine... if not il see if i can find another page

Hello DaisyDonDuke,

Sounds to me that you and I have a similar experience. I also can look in the mirror and see that everything gets fuzzy, only diffrence is I remember who I am. And i dont know what it is, but its not a full AP. Answer me one question, and i might be able to tell you what it is. No offense, but do you believe, or think a lot about demons/ negative entites?

Byron Sanchez, I apologize if I had offended you in any way by questioning your vocabulary, personally I also have a high standard vocabulary for my age.
The reply I made to the heated discussion you were having with a fellow writer was a way to get to know you sort of. Being born and raised in Australia gives most people a very weak vocabulary at our age, you are unfortunately the first person I know in my age and year level to know the proper use for words that are longer than six characters. Again I apologize for what I wrote.

That being said I wonder if you have any theories (conspiracy if you wish) of the universe and beyond?
Also, what are your experiences(if any) with Astral Projection?

I do believe in Satan and I do believe that he has demons who work for him, just I as believe in angels and that they work for God. Do I constantly think of the devil and his demons....No. I don't give him much thought. I know he is there and tries to tempt me, but I do not focus on him. I focus on God. I overlook him because he has no hold on me. He cannot touch me due to the fact that I am washed with Jesus' blood. I know he hates me for being born again, he hates anyone who has.

I don't know what your thoughts are on this. If your opinion differs from mine thats ok. What do you think it is?

thanks for the response jazza, thats a very interesting story. i personally have not experienced astral travel so i would not be able to judge whether or not that truely was astral travel. from what ive heard, though, sounds like it. i know if i successfully AP i want to fly into deep outer space and visit far away galaxies. i think this would be an amazing thing. if anyone has had an experience such as this, please tell me about it. id be very interested to read about it.
thanks!
crtbud

i think this is the last place you'd need to worry about people calling you crazy...
that sounds interesting though

ok well, I really think you are in the lower Astral plane, because you said everything gets fuzzy. One last question: do you see Demons when you do that?

Thanks,
The Unexplained

Sorry, no demons here. I don't feel it has anything to with that. What are you thinking that it is?

It's okay.

My guesses and theories about the universe and beyond change sometimes, when new information is discovered. I'm starting to research the different "planes of existence." Reading this thread led me to the research. I've also been reading up about ITC but that's another topic. I haven't tried it out for myself yet either (and I'm wondering if I should at all).

With Astral Projection, I have not had any experiences. That's why I can't say for sure whether it is or is not a lucid dream (many say it isn't). It may "feel" completely different. I have a guess as to how you could know for sure: Successfully astral project and get familiar with the concept and how the environment feels and all (you also have to be able to lucid dream frequently or at least know how to induce lucid dreams). Then the next night, induce a lucid dream (through WILD preferably since it is the most similar to the Astral Projection process; but more importantly since you do not fall unconscious at all).

In the lucid dream try to create the same environment as astral travel has, but without astral projecting from a lucid dream (some say you can use lucid dreaming to astral project). Basically make a dream environment that matches the astral projection environment. Compare things such as control, how it feels, what you can do, etc. Do this for several days and record everything after each experience.

Then a person can conclude whether they are both completely different, or whether they are the same phenomena (but then if this was the ouctome, the question still remains: Are lucid dreams AP? Are AP lucid dreams? Which one is it?).

I would try it, but I'm still trying to learn about these planes. It would be unfortunate to encounter and experience something frightening and evil, and the fact that I have these thoughts (and from what I have read), I may provoke a bad experience on my own.

I do realize there are probably some flaws to this process, because if not then I think we'd have an answer by now.

I can't really say that I have an answer to whether or not lucid dreaming is AP, but my personal experience of what I believe to be APing could help.
If you think about it, lucid dreaming is as it says 'dreaming', APing is the separation of your consciousness and phisical body (allegedly). Lucid dreaming is regaining control of your consciousness during a dream and manifesting your dream to your specific desires (or so i've read), whereas APing is being projected to an alternate version of the physical world via. your conscious mind only. People have explained many times over this forum that during AP you can gather real information about what is happening in the room next to you (for example), Lucid dreaming is more or less your imagination coming to life.
Would this be enough to conclude that the two phenomena are indeed different, although similar methods are used to achieve both?

Yes that seems likely. But if you believe in shared and precognitive dreaming, then APing could be just that. But I guess an easier method would be trying to control an Astral Projection environment. If it's not a dream, you shouldn't be able to control it right? Especially if it's an alternate version of the physical world.

I'll have to read a lot more about Astral Projection before I completely understand it, but I might have to try it as well (which at the moment isn't critical; if it's real, then I could still do it in the future when I am comfortable with the idea). I've read about how APing takes you to the Astral Plane, and how the Astral Plane is just the "dimension we are in, but different" or "a completely different dimension with different beings." Maybe they have it wrong and mixed up several things. By that point, I was very confused about the Astral Plane. I'll look around here to see how some users described it.

But the way you described it, as an alternate version of the physical world, seems to pop up more often.

Hello i was wondering if anyone know anything about this Magneurol6-S
Did anyone try this? does anyone know if it works? i really want to try this but i cant afford it right now
Any info on this would be great

PS: Was this mentioned earlier? (even tho i read everything i cant remember sry)