okay, so i tried your technique for AP, however it was in the afternoon since i worked that night. after about 10 minutes, i felt kind of heavy and a tugging sensation in my feet. it was really cool, and i just wanted to ask this: does AP, or can AP enhance psychic powers such as telekenesis or even pyrokenesis?

Unfortunely, I can't really see the four in the morning technique working for me. I can't ever get my mind clear when I wake up at that time. A lot more things go through my mind more at that time than before going to bed. I also have an annoying habit of speaking Irish in my mind when I wake up aswell .
Well, a few days ago, I had a weird awakening. One of the only things I remember is waking up for a second but kind of falling back asleep. I think I was Lucid Dreaming because I had my eyes close yet could see my room but only barely. I felt extremely weird and then I heard a very eerie noise. I honestly had no clue if I was dreaming or awake. I'd say I was half and half. Then I managed one clear thought in my mind and that was to use the rope technique and I think then as the feeling of fuzziness got stronger and then I felt like I 'got out'. But at one stage, I could have sworn I was looking at my astral body which was only a bit away from my normal body. This is what makes it feel like a dream. (I mean, I sure don't know anything of a third form of body). So it could have been a dream but I know I was telling myself to use the rope technique.
So I honestly don't know. It was kind of like I was drifting in and out of consciousness. But I can't remember waking up instantly but I felt some weird form of jolt but I woke up at around 7 in the morning. I can easily tell this occurance happened during the night cause it was dark.
Either something else more complicated, or there are such things as accidental lucid dreams.

That was a great time to AP. sorry to say, but you let it slip. What you did is rare. You put you concious mind in both the astral body and phisical one. Thats why you could see out of your closed eyes, and thats why you saw your astral body. And if in the astral world something seems out of place, you might fall into a sleep. But dont ever tell yourself its a dream if it feels really real. If it doesnt feel real, tell yourself its a dream.

By the way sephiroth, aren't you suppose to wake up at 4. not go to sleep at 4?

Hypnagogia is the collective experience of being in half-sleep. If you've ever been very tired before and dozed while sitting up, or with your eyes open, you may get bombarded with random, almost psychedelic sensations and images. It also happens right before you fall asleep and right when waking up, although since you don't usually remember right when you fall asleep for a good night's rest, it's best to try and experience it during short 5-15 minute naps. Personally I've always had these experiences, but not until now have I really been remembering and looking into them. The less sleep I get per night, the drowsier I am during the day. In class, for example, I have gotten the ability to fall "asleep" with my eyes open, but my body will still be writing notes. And no one knows I'm asleep. Really though my mind is elsewhere in some very intense and quick psychedelic experience. This also happens when I doze off for a few seconds when I'm comfortable. Often I'll hear voices like they're right in my ear, saying things, or having conversations. Other times I'll see images or feel almost light enough to be just an astral body, so to speak. It's a fascinating experience and, for me at least, very easy to achieve.

The point of this, is that although I can't do it yet, Hypnagogia is a very easy state to achieve, and with practice you can come to control your hallucinations (trust me, these are very psychedelic) and either remember them and treat them as a mystic experience, or control them so you can lucid dream and astrally project at will.

Raven,

Have you ever AP?

Indeed I believe I have. When I was young up until a few years ago I'd have these ultra-realistic dreams where I'd be a bodiless consciousness, being floated and pulled around my house by something, even though I was still in my bed. When I would awake I'd jolt and be almost screaming in terror because of the feel of helplessness. So I believe I've projected, although I've never done it through will.

Heh yeah but i like staying up late


I cant remember having any experience with this but its really something to check out il get back to you guys later tho now i have to format my computer... again

P.S The Unexplained it looks like you where right i should have trusted my weird feeling of something going wrong cuz today my computer keeps crashing Oo il try fix it now and get back on the forums later

Oh also Raven how do you learn it? or rather how can you practice it? any special techniques?

For me it came naturally, I've always had it, just never noticed it or used it to the degree I do now. The way I have made the experiences very frequent is the dangerous method of getting less and less sleep. I used to get around 8 hours a night, and now it's dipped down to around 5. My tiredness takes control during the day when I'm doing quiet mental activities like sitting in class, and the experiences come in waves as I doze off.

To tell the truth, i think we all have. I had a similar experience as yours : Once when i was little, I got out of bed and headed for my living room. It was still dark outside and it seemed like i had no control over my body. Like i was possesed. Anyway, when i got to my living room i saw a person or ghost or some kind of entite floating a couple of inches above ground. First emotion: fear. i didnt scream or anything i just woke up very sudenly. I knew it was a dream. But when i think about it these days, it didnt seem like a dream. It was too real. i thought it was real. So i think it was a AP.


If i did the exact same thing these days, i would of s@#$ in my pants.( excuse the language) Because the entite would still be there.

Hmm... i usually dont sleep to much lol.. sometime when im going to school im going to bet maby... 3:30 - 4:00 when im supposed to wake up at 9:00 lol i think if i set my mind to it i could try this.. now that i have that in my mind i may become more awere of it, and about the sleep i like being up late eaven tho im going to school.. dunno why tho lol.. i mean i get really tired and hard to get out of bed lol but il have to check this out a little more.. anyway tnx for the info


I think so to.. i think we all had at least one scary experience with AP when we were younger but we might not know it was AP and just think of it as a dream, i can also remember very real dreams i had including SP (sleep paralysiz) dunno how to spell that lol anyway i only experienced that once tho and i had it once not long ago when i tryed to AP

I have a question for al those APers out there.


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If the astral plane and the real world are put on a sliding scale, where would each be?
ie. Is the astral plane going beyond the real world or is it an earlier stage of entering the real world.

I ask this because there seems to be different stages of the astral plane, how far you are from the real world is determined by the strength of your connection to it. In my story and in other experiences I've had I have been either in a car or on a train, the lack of smoothness involved in these forms of transport have prevented me from making strong bonds to the real world, as a result of this I am unable to see other people who aren't connected to the astral plane like many people clame to see. If a stronger connection to the real world is required to view people in it then moving further along the scale, away from the real world would weaken that connection (in theory). With this in mind I have come up with a theory as to where these two dimensions would lye on the scale:
Most powerful connection
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<----Realworld--<<<<<CentralAstralPlane>>>>>------>


If my theory is correct, what could lye beyond either end of the scale?

I have read somewhere that there are 8 dimensions (dunno how to spell it) and that the astral plane is the 5th... also read that some people have gotten as far as 6th dimension dont remember exactly but i think the 8th dimension is where life and everything else is created, also i read that everything gets... (i dunno how to say this lol im from norway) that everything gets filterd or something throu dimensions.. (does any of this make sense) what i mean is everything gets created in the 8th dimension and it goes to the 7th and so on so i would guess the astral plane (5th) would be before the physical world (3rd) i dunno if this helped but i thought i would just bring it up anyway

P.S if it didnt make sense at all plz tell me

Today i read a magazine in science class about planets. I was looking through it and found a page on OBE's. i was very suprised because it was science class and it was about planets.But when i read it, it was talking about how it was scientificly possible. I didn't get to read all of it cause the bell rang, but ill see if i can read any tommorow. So any skeptics, it was proven that AP is real!

By the way yesterday night i came SOOO close to AP. I read somewhere that sometimes right before you AP theres a poping sound. And yesterday night i was about to fall asleep, but i nudged myself awake. But this time when i did it i heard a popping sound. right away my eyes opened and that messed it a ll up. But when i opened my eyes i saw a colored box. like when you stare at a bulb long enough and look away and thers a dot in your vision, exactly like dat except a box or squeare. weird eh.

And yes your answer is correct. Ive read the same thing somewhere too.

Sorry i think theres 13 dimensions( not sure)

Rare, you say . Well since I got myself out in the first place, I didn't exactly let the opportunity go but I missed the chance to keep going. Guess I wasn't expecting to see three different ones of myself.
I actually managed to fall asleep while listening to the 'astral travel music' but it doesn't make any difference while it plays while you sleep.

I saw somwthing on tv once about OBE, i dont relly remember much but there were some cells we had in our brain that could be 2 places at once or something... i dont remember it all but they explained that this was proof of OBE, anyway if you get to read some more please tell us


I never heard any voices or sounds when im trying to AP but yeah it could mean that you were on your way to AP


Hmm i heard that too... but after reading about everything is created in the 8th i thought it was more likeley with 8 dimensions lol, but i guess theres no way to say for sure


Hmm... about the music.. i guess its diffrent for everyone, i didnt get to try it yet tho.. got a lot to do lately.
Also you saw 3 of yourself? hmm they say its not your astral body going out of your physical but that there is another "body"(or something) that goes out of your physical and into your astral.. Maby you somehow saw yourself switching bodys or something, also i read there are 4 bodys the physical and astral are 2 of them (cant remember the 2 others) anyway keep us updated

To keep it kind of simple. I was at one side of the bed and that was where I saw from. I saw my normal physical body in bed and my astral body risen. But before this is when I'm pretty sure I astrally projected. Then it changed to the view of me at the side of the bed. But I remember hearing something that sounded like a big bang before 'waking up'. I'm not even sure if I did wake up but I think it was for a second but I fell back asleep instantly. It was then around 7 in the morning when I was fully woken up.

I still belive you could have gone out of your body but not into your astral body so you saw your physical body laying on bed and your astral body just over it
But of course i have no clue

Also when i eat ice cream i think it helps me remember my dream It`s weird but actually true so tnx again for the tip Raven

P.S why does it get so quiet all of a sudden? Comon guys we have almost 100 pages

yesterday i went to an amusement park. After i got home i was all worn out. About 10 o clock i went to bed. i swear to god it felt like i was on a ride. i could feel it in my stomach. At one point it felt like i was upside down. i could open my eyes and i would still get the feeling. Does it have something to do with the astral body?

PS. i had a great time making up my own rides in mi mind.

Omg i had this weird dream and i KNOW it was no normal dream cuz i remember being able to feel in that dream i remember flying and feeling the wind in my face and the feeling of flying throu the air then suddenly i thought "hey how can i feel in a dream" then i realized it was a dream then it didnt feel like a normal dream at all then i moved my arm in front of me and i thought "this cant be a dream, is this AP?" then i cant remember anymore.. guess i woke up, Anyway i ate ice cream yesterday Oo maby it has something to do with it... i also ate ice cream today and il try get another dream like that tonight

Any thoughts?

I dunno about this... maby your astral body got sick and got back into you the wrong way after a ride

Sorry but that made me laugh really hard. Could be though. Anyways your dream was a AP. GOODJOB!

Are you sure? i mean it seriously felt difrent then a normal dream... but you really think i APed... damn then i need to gain better controls over my dreams.... anyway TNX this really helped

Ok listen, The astral world IS the dream world.Same thing. Like you said theres 8 planes, and there is not a plane for the dream world. Every dream you ever had was a AP. The only diffrence between a dream and a AP is: That when you Ap you are fully concious, not so in a dream.When your APing whatever you believe will happen. If you believe that you can float, then you float. You can make up a whole nother world in the astral plane. And thats what you do when you dream. You make up a whole world. You're Astral body acts out youre dream. not the phisical. Thats why its paralizyed.

Now do u understand?

Then i guess i made it! I mean i was not fully concious as i didnt know if it was a dream but im really getting progress Anyway tnx again for the info im going to bed now 04:34 in the morning gonna try ap again and btw i found another 1 hour track for AP called: Hemi-Sync - William Buhlman -Chakra Technique For Astral Travel - Hemisync il upload it tomorrow

Try the monroe technique

Sry but i could not upload that track lol it was a bit bigger then i thought 109mb But il do it later on another host
Also what`s the monroe technique?

aye whats the monroe technique?

Its a very long technique and im too lazy to describe it all, but ill give you the derections to the site i found it on.

Ok i got the site:

1Go to google.

2Type in: monroe technique

3Click on the fourth link from the top. Monroe's Astral Projection.

4And you're all set!


It seems like a good technique. Ive started to use it. Only problem is it makes me fall asleep too fast. Ohhhh well.Im going to try this technique tonite again.

This might just be a good technique... i might just try it out so tnx for the info and good luck
Also my dreams are getting scary.. they seem to be more real once i understand im dreaming.. also i ate ice cream today so il see if i can get another too real dream tonight

So ice cream is the secret, eh? Anyways it does sound like a good technique, but try not to do it when you're too sleepy.You'll fall asleep way too fast. Im happy to know that you're learning to control dreams. It'll help you AP soooo much easier. If you need help, please ask.

Good luck!

Well i think my best chance of AP is throu a dream cuz i cant fall asleep holding up my arm or trying to concentrate on one thing... dunno about music either but im not the one falling asleep very fast so i think il try throu dreams first, And yeah.. ice cream have to do something i mean i actually remember dreams better when eating it

OFF TOPIC: funnyest video on earth funny mastercard commercial

EDIT: Just thought i would share this with you as it looks interesting

ughhhhh! wont let me see the video!

Great Astral/Etheric connections pic.

kinda confusing........

That's an interesting pic you've found, I don't really understand the obsession part but it does explain how some people see those guide things.
I've only ever been in the lower astral(non-physical) area so this whole etheric thing is new to my ears.
I'll do some research on it soon.
With the time-space influence thing you can really begin to understand why some people can travel to other galexies without using up too much time here.
Question: With the etheric thing, if time-space is 'independent', ie. time and space do not apply in these realms, how does that work exactly?
Dose anyone have memory of entering these higher realms?

Im not to sure but i read somewhere that you cannot go further then our own galaxy (or was it solar system?) cuz there are other rules out there, So i guess if time-space is independent you can spend a life time outside our galaxy and/or do whatever you want and still wake up in your bed the day after. But im really not sure

P.S the video is on youtube lol maby you need to install flash or java or whatever it is

Great pic sephiroth976.
P.S. The video is really funny. It was very unexpected and clever.

Edit: How do you stop the huge blank on posts from appearing? It's taking up a lot of space...

EDIT: OK IM STUPID! i just understood what you ment Anyway try making a short signature or whatever its called.. like i did "Swallowing Multiple Magnets Poses Danger to Children" i dont remember how tho so dont ask

EDIT: Ok.. i dont think i can upload that track i talked about earlier..... cuz... MY WHOLE F***ING EXTERNAL HDD IS MESSED UP! sry for that but none of the files will show... it says theyre still there that the space is used but i cant see or modify the files.... so as i said lol i probably wont get that track up sry

Well, I know how you havto be relaxed to clear your mind, And my biggest problemed is getting relaxed, Could anyone link me to a site that can guide me through relaxing/meditating?

Thanks

I suggest the monroe technique which i stated earlier.

Silent................

Where did everyone go? Well.............. this forum is getting dull.........................

I know... everyone kinda stoped posting Anyway i did not eat ice cream today.. cuz.. i ate it all yesterday il try AP tonight tho cuz im not going to school tomorow so i can sleep all day
Btw how are you doing at AP? got any further?

I occasionally feel myself drifting out of my body, but I usually gently float back in soon after.

That's about it.

Yeah, this forum seems to have lost its edge.
Oh well, I haven't had may chances lately to AP but I don't think I would go very far into the astral plane, I got too much on my mind right now.
Mabye when my head's clear I will give it a go.

My reference to the space-time(dream-time) vs. earth time descrepancy occurs only in my (precieved) dream states at this point. I've had dreams that really seem as though days and days would have had to pass in order for the scenes to run their course. In some of these dreams i've, in reality, only been nodding off for a few minutes. But I think the most interesting time comparison between dream and waking states is that, in situations playing out in dreams, known information resident to that particular dream has been forshadowed for what seems like years leading up to the current dream situation or scene. It's as if the dreams themselves contain their own independent past allowing for us to act them out with a prior knowledge and experience, again, specific to that particular dream. In many cases, a past knowledge and/or a set of experiences we never, even in part, had outside the dream. Does anyone understand this?
(wow, i may just need to got to bed!)

Hey guys, i'm have tried various techniques of astral traveling, but i seem to not beable to do it . I was wondering if u guys could give me some tips. It wouuld be much appreciated.

I only read to page 15, so if there is anything that i missed, can u plz tell me?