Hmmm well.. for what i know everyone AP when they sleep so waking up in a dream seems to be better... i have only APed throu dreams even tho i havent fully APed yet i have come closer to AP from dreams then from other techniques.. Also (may sound stupid) ice cream seems to help me waking up in dreams and/or remember them the day after so... eat lots of ice cream and tell yourself that you`re going to AP that night might just work

Thanks, i'll try that

Its a bit late to answer this question, but im getting a little progress using that monroe technique. not much, but more than ussaly.
Anyways i heard that you dont wanna eat before trying to AP. And if you want to be good at lucid dreaming, they say not to go to sleep when your tired. <<<<<<< Dont know why so dont ask.

usually when i go to sleep when im tired i fall into a deep sleep so astral projecting can be harder.

ps. nice diagram sephiroth and the video is funny lol

Why?? neh just kidding.. but yeah i read that too.. about not eating to much when trying to AP.. about going to bed when not tired... i didnt know that but i cant sleep if im not tired i would just be laying down looking like this --> anyway good to know


Hmm... i dont rly feel very tired when going to bed.. but i usually go to bed late so my brain is probably tired anyway

i astral projected again last night, when i almost left my body i opened my eyes because i was curious(maybe i shouldn't have done that)...then when i got out everything was pitch black.

What do you mean when you said " i got out?"

when my astral/etheric body completely detached itself from the physical body

that is perfect, i think i have the same experience as you because what u described i experienced.

this is my method. i wake up in the night due to sp(when the conscious(astral body) is disconnected from the physical body and u cant barely move the physical body) and then use the rope technique to get the astral body out of the physical. thats my method of astral projecting.

last night i was investigating when i had this episode, my eyes were closed but i could see my room vaguely..., i was curious so i opened my eyes then when i got out, everything was pitch black and i was moving around lost.



i astral projected last night and fapped off on that same day. okay..maybe i shouldn't of said that but seriously thats what i did. just thought i let you guys know that.

Well its something i read somewhere tho but it really helps knowing that LOL
Anyway i think il be trying AP tonight hmm.. but i think i need a new technique.. hmm...

I tried again to astral travel again, but i couldn't do it . I seem to have trouble concentrating on trying to project. Do u guys have any tips on this issue for me. I really would like to astral travel .

For the first time in ages, I actually had a lie-on in the morning. The most relaxed my body can ever be is firstly when I wake up then fall back asleep and wake up again within a few minutes to an hour. (Random times of waking up, nothing unusual.) Once I woke back up, I do be in a state of complete relaxation. During this time of pure relaxation, I often get this buzzing/&/shaking feeling which feels weird but cool.
Recently now since I've been reading up on and practising Astral Projection, I decided to use one of those stages to try Astrally Project. And it worked!!! . The first feeling was the feeling of two bodies. My sight kept swithcing back and forth between my physical and my astral body before the Astral Body "Won". Then once I was out, it is the most weirdest feeling. It could not have been a dream. Everything was normal and in place, even the time on the digital alarm clock was the same. And it really feels weird when you can't feel your own body. I could see around the place but it felt like I had no eyes. Ok,what I said there would be an obvious feeling to having no physical body but it still excited me .
Just to test if I really did Astrally Project, I tried floating in the air and I did for a few seconds before landing down slowly. Although, when I left, my astral body moved out of my body to the left instead of straight up. It was difficult to move. I was sort of doing a wobbled walk on the ground but since I couldn't feel it, it was strange trying to move around.
Then I decided to go back into my body so I did. Sorry if what I said was a bit boring but when something like this happens, it's great just to share experinces. But sharing experinces might make it easier for others to project if new methods are written here.

Good job! I think its easier to get relaxed in the morning too, i guess its cuz since you just woke up your body is still fully relaxed and you dont need to do the work That is actually a great way for beginners, Try not to move when you wake up in the morning and you dont need to do any relaxing techniques Also the closest i have came to a fully counsious AP was in the morning.. Well.. besides that time when i woke up in my dream

Personally, I've never been able to AP when I'm tired(sleepy), whenever I did AP I was on the move, the weird thing is that all of those times I could feel every bump or turn that my physical body was experiencing. This kind of AP was more of a half in half out, because of this my AP experience was lagging like a computer running a high-detail game, I was jumping from where my projected body was and where my physical body was which made it really difficult to concentrate on what I wanted to do during the experience.
Does anyone have an explaination as to why I can't AP in a relaxed state in my room?

Hiya, was just wondering, what if you astrally projected and actually ended up feeling more at home on the astral plane than in your own body and then decided not to go back. Is this a wise decision to follow your feelings like this? Would you be trapped forever in the astral plane? Would this prevent you from making a transition in death? After all your body would still get to die at some point anyway.

I've heard also that spirits can pocess your body while you are out of it, but many people seem certain that this wont happen and nothing will break your connection...what makes them so sure?

NICE ONE!!

Regards
nn23

I think if ur not REALLY good at AP you cannot stay out forever... i heard that without a purpous you cannot stay in the astral so i guess you would be zapped back after a while.
And no spirits cannot pocess you becouse of the silver cord witch connects you to your body... And if ur wondering no the silver cord cannot be cut untill your physical body dies.
Hope this helps

P.S i guess you could feel more home in the astral... since i think thats where we originaly came from.

*Again I'm playing skeptic, what am I turning into?* This is all theology and speculation. Things happens so often in the physical world that are terrible and we can't explain them, so how can you say for sure, that nothing bad like what has been described could happen in a world that has been yet to be proven much less explained to the point where we have a well informed idea of the mechanics behind it? Oh and PS, I copied the entire OP, I do plan on giving this a try.

Of course we cant be 100% sure as we know very little about the astral that nothing bad will happend, But if there is a chance of something happening it`s probably tiny.
The fact that everyone is APing every night and get back ok is one thing and the fact that you will be jolted back by any emotions that get too strong (like fear) is another, Like if you meet a negative entity you would probably wake up at once, Ever had a nightmare? I belive nightmares come when you meet negative entitys, But thats just my thoughts...

Anyway hope it helps

I always keep a charged up PSI ball with me, just in case I meet a baddie....B






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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNKgkBz3JkY

Interesting, is it only emotions like fear or is it also a simple desire to leave that will make you exit the astral plane? Because I think in my case, my emotions are tuned to a slightly different frequency. If I saw a dark mass inside a cloak, my curiousity would probably outweigh my fear, and the same would most likely be the case no matter what I could encounter in this astral plane. So while my emotions would be saying stay, my mind would be saying GO.

Well you can only think about your body and you will go back or just.. want to go back, its as simple as that and btw fear is not the only emotion that would send you back, like if you get too exited you would probably get back too.. the trick is to stay out there as there is so much that would bring you back, it will probably be harder to stay out then getting back

Well in that case I will definitely give this a try. A wiccan once told me that for such things :grounding, meditation, pathworking, there are a lot of different ways of doing it and only one works best for each person so if anyone has any techniques or can redirect me to an appropriate website or thread where I can learn more ways to do this, please do.

Hi Socrates!

I am a newbie, and I registered here so that I can achieve my goal of projecting astrally. I need you to guide me.

I first heard about astral projection last October from my friend, who projects while sleeping. I said to myself, "I should try this for myself!"

In the last 5 months I have pursued this interest with various degrees of perseverance. The closest I have been to projection is when I purposely locked myself in the darkness of my bedroom and lying on my bed, meditated and willed myself to have an OBE. I remember I felt myself getting lighter, and the my hands felt as if they were as light as air, expanding.... i was more excited than scared (being awake all the time) and the excitement prevented me from going ahead.

Somehow I lost the zeal and said I would AP, but always 'tomorrow'.

I shall try your 4 am technique tonight.

Here is a unique reason why I wish to astrally project: I wish to enter new worlds so that it may fuel my creativity, which I need for my fiction novel I am currently writing. Does this sound greedy, and is it wrong to want to AP for such a reason?

Also, I know this is a question beaten to death. But just today I was reading online first-hand experiences of people encountering ghosts and spirits during their waking hours (not during AP) .... i mean the sort of stories where people see dead spirits, or voices out of the invisible saying 'Talk to Me!'..... that's spooky. Are such experiences with the spirit world and AP just 2 sides of the same coin. I fear that if this 'door' of AP is opened, the 'entities' would never allow me to shut it again, and may intrude into my space.... either while I AP or in other more scarier ways.

What do you suggest, Socrates?

Regards & thanks

Arthax

A site you can check is astralweb it has a lot about AP and if you look in the forum im sure you find lots of techniques


Socrates isnt here anymore.. Rather he havent whrote here in a long time so i dunno if he is coming back but check out the link i posted too u will probably find answers there

Thanks! I wish someone could answer my specific questions in my post though. Will def check out the website u mentioned.

Check out my psionics site, or just search Google for astral projection guides. Of course it would be better to post questions on a board, so you could get one-on-one help, but it's not too hard to figure out on your own. From your experiences your posted, you sound like you're well on your way.

I think it helps greatly to practice regularly, at least once a day, more if you can. The more you practice and the harder you practice will determine how long it will take you to finally get out.

That sounds like a fairly good reason. Some people simply want to spy on girls.

You cannot see spirits or hear them speak to you or anything else unless you already have some sort of powerful clairvoyance-like skill. Unless you already have these problems, I don't think there's anything to worry about. I've never heard of anybody being plagued by spirits after astral projecting.

Anything else?

hey guys,

well i tried the 4 in the morning technique and .............. well let me just tell you about it.

i woke up at 4 in the morning. I was soooooooooooo tired that i couldnt do anything. I shut off my alarm and knew that to be succesful i have to wash my face. so i got up and went over to my sink. i washed my hands and went back to sleep . kind of random huh?Why didnt i wash my face? It seemed like i didnt have control...... i knew what my goal was, but i didnt do it. I guess because i was super tired............or ALIENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone have any suggestions for me to be better at that?

Sorry to say this but you can see spirits. When you AP you are intact with the spirit world. Not so much, but more than enough. And people have said that if you misuse APing then demons will come.................. Dont know for sure though.........

How do you judge what misuse is seeing as all our morals have been forged by societal constructs...i think i get it though, and i also believe actually, i wasnt arguing that on a point of trying to disprove, i am just someone that sees inconsistencies everywhere

Regards
nn23

Its more like if you AP for selfish/evil etc.. reasons you will atract demons/negative entitys but of course you will get jolted back when you see them (most likeley) but if you keep on APing for those reasons you might just find them waiting for you next time you AP ^^ so i guess you better not

P.S if its a bad thing to spy on area 51... then... il be waiting with a couple of katanas

lol

yea like when you wanna spy on you're girlfriend/boyfriend. And i think i could take a demon Sorry if i pissed any demons off whil saying that. I was just joking ok

As the only way one can defeat a demon is by sending it love... i could never kill one id stay readdy with.... oh wait... the astral is where your thoughts get real.. THEN i would be showing up with a keyblade and a chainsaw sword

Wait until it is almost your bed time. That way, you'll be somewhat drowsy, but not "oh my god, must sleep".

True, but it won't be in the real world. Seeing things on the astral plane won't affect what you see on the physical plane.

P.S. FIRST POST ON PAGE 100!!! YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, I'm done.

oohhhh you were talking aboutthe real world. Then nvm.

thanks for the tip.


Anyway i think its real funny how we say the "real world". What if some person came here and never even heard about Aping. He would think we were all on drugs he he

Some skeptics think we're just tripping.

Haven't been on UM for a few days which is pretty rare for me. (Just one day not on since I've joined but now I've missed more ) The reason being though is I was ill for that time. I just thought I ought to mention this because I got this way (Headache, Tiredness & Flu Symptoms) straight after getting up after my experience in the morning.
Just check my last post if anyone doesn't know what I'm on about (Page 98 I think).
It could have just been a coincidence but even when I woke up the first time that morning, I felt fine but after my experience then I felt ill. I was tired to begin with so I probably exhausted myself more which probably weakened my immune system for that time and bang...instant flu or something.
I know I'm not being too clear and probably said stupid things but I'm still not fully better and yeah, I shouldn't be on the computer either ... ... ... but I'm thick.

I've not had the chance to try this technique, I probably will tonight, and again tomorrow, hoo rah spring break begins at the end of the day. And BTW thanks for the link, that site looks interesting.

Heh i had post #1337 So try and beat that!


I guess this can happend.. After i come close to AP im alwasy dead tired and i cannot get any sign of AP the next few days, So i guess it takes a lot of energy

Also i had something happend to me last night, I was relaxing 100% (i think but i rly have no clue) and i focused on moving my right arm, After a while i tried so hard i could feel as if i tried to move it and as if it was stuck then suddenly it was like a little "click" in my arm and it started to float, I could move my hand and some of my arm and it felt really light like air then i guess i freaked a little and suddenly my arm was on the bed also some of my dreams feel really real.. im sure i can draw a map of where i was going in one of my dreams..

Ok, I'm confused. Is the astral plane modeled after the real world? Could you discover things there that turn out to be real?

There are diffrent plains and the earth plane is one of them, witch looks just like the normal physical world where you can watch people or go places you want to, I also think this is the lowest plane.. Not sure.. Anyway the earth plane is probably the first plane you go to

EDIT: Oh and its probably hard to see something real becouse of your brain would intefear.. Say you make someone whrite a number on something and hide it so that you can check on it when you AP you could see the numbers but they could verry well be wrong you might just see what your brain think is whritten on it

So your saying that the spirit is capable of figuring out what the number is but the brain will try to figure it out using logic and therefore mess you up?

Oh and I'm guesing there are 7 planes you can visit?

I know there are diffrent planes but i dunno how meny there are, Also.. this is hard explaining but il try, if ur looking for a number then you will probably think of it and as everything you think can happend in the astral you might end up seing a number witch your brain created becouse it thinks its that number.. if that made any sence at all.. short story, its hard to know whats real and whats ur imagination (i cant spell that sry)

Hope you understand what i whrote

BTW: The astral plane is the 5th dimension and everything is created in the 8th (i think it was that) i have read about people being able to reach the 6th dimension by somehow projecting from their astral body, i dont think anyone has got as far as the 7th dimension but if anyone knows anything about this plz post some info.. I really wonder whats up in the 6th or 7th dimension

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HOw can something like this be unrelated to a specific religion? The astral plane is in what you call the 5th dimension? Why start there? Is it physical, is it because space time takes up four dimenstions so the next logical one would be the 5th?

I have no idea But i read a lot about this and i read somewhere that everything is created in the 8th dimension and get filterd down untill it reaches the 3rd physical and as the 4th dimension is time (more like something about time and space bla bla bla etc...) it makes perfect sence that you can see the future and the past from the 5th dimension.. its like everything fits together now
Still wonder whats up in the 8th dimension... God.. Maby..? i also read about someone who got to the 6th dimension (think it was 6th) they whrote something about everything was light and they always had this warm good feeling... i have no idea about this but it sounds like something from the bible or something (note that i did not read the bible so i have no idea) but its still really interesting.. i would post a link to the site but my bookmarks got deleted.. again

http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=65

I think I found that link in this thread. Can't remember, and don't want to search now that the thread's 100 pages long.

I don't know how valid that is. Maybe you can find something useful? I've had it bookmarked for a while now. I think there's something in there about the other dimensions.

Edit: http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?B...ulletinID=268#8

That's the part about the other dimensions. You can scroll down for specific info, though I don't know if the source is reliable or not. I'll have to do a search on the author if I plan to find out.

Oh tnx for this this is one of the sites i lost with mu bookmarks so really tnx

P.S something i have bin wondering about.. sometimes i when i just stop and stars thinking about things like "what is life" "how can i move" "what is this world" etc.. like thinking about my exictence (dunno how to spell that) well anyway when i think about stuff like this everything starts feeling unreal.. its the strangest feeling as if im halfe asleep like i dunno why im here.. anyone else ever had that feeling? its really waird