Hey Socrates

I got a couple of quick questions:

If you are able to a.p., how do you float? by just thinking about it?

Can you walk through walls? and if you think about it, will you fall throug floor?

Sometimes when I'm about to fall asleep I have a dream where I'm skateboarding. I try to
grind the rail but I fall and land on the ground. Just as my body hits the ground I awake with a shock and my heart is pounding. The weird thing is, when I have the dream I'm like half asleep. Is this a good time?

I'm not really going to ask about evil spirits and demons because I'm a Bahai and we don't believe in those things.

Thanks for making the thread.

well i tried last night.. i got up staggerd across the room to turn my alarm off stood on my phone charger...which i have been looking for for a while! waited a min or so got back into bed and....fell asleep....im going to try again tonight...lol!!

what shoud i acpect from this?
i meen i know it aint what tv makes it but what is the real version or is it still the same?

oh n lalala hehehe well dun finding the charger!

lol thanks!! now i wont have to use my bros phone i can use mine!!lol! im going to try again tonight ..i shouldnt cos i have school tomorow but i really dont care lol

Read the posts earlier in this thread for vivid descriptions of astral experiences.

This is something that I (as an adult) now seem to have lost the ability to do. As a small child I could do this and watch myself spiral away from my body, up to the time of my late teens I still believed it to be perfectly normal as I couldn't remember not being able to do this.

In fact the home we had from when I was 8 wks to 2 years old I only remember in part (the lounge and hallway) and those parts I do remember I only ever see from above and I am aware that these memories are of me watching my parents watch TV when I was supposed to be in my cot.

Weird or what but I wish I could do it now just to prove to myself that my memories are not fake.

i slept right through my alarm...this isnt going well lol!

is it possible to bring something bac to ur physical body from astral realm?

I do not believe IMHO that Science has quite caught up to Astral Projection......it is still seen as Phenomena and will continue to be until the Soul Consciousness and the Mind Consciousness can be quantified. Science does not really have much to do with what Socrates has posted. It does but is not really the topic of discussion. Very Interesting information by the way Socrates. I think I will try your methods as well. Although I have not ever really tried this and mostly meditated to places, it sounds fun and interesting.

Hmmm, I think I would like to stick up for Sylvia and say that I believe much of what she says to be truth. I am not clear "all" would be a great word to use but I do think much of what she wrote on God and Creation was quite insightful and meaningful, to me. There was alot of Truth in there for me. I do not follow her phsychic abilities or readings per se but I am Gnostic and I know that thanks to her. She is a big believer of "Take what you want and leave the rest." If it is not your Truth then it is not.

Read Victor Zammit. You can download the book for free. Do a search on google. He gives evidence that some psychics are indeed real.

i keep sleeping through my alarm.....

i was thinkin we should make astral place where we can meet up. thing is i dont know how to travel to a creation of my mind. any way please add any ideas( paint color, decorations, ect) u have to create an astral meet up place. make sure to be detailed for a clear picture. u can also email me ideas so i can post them when all ideas are closed (march 10th 2006). thanks

Deejay

i suppose you could use a pic or sumit..i wouldnt no i have never done it!

Greetings all

I've been following this thread for quite a while but haven't tried that technique because I have been so busy with my studies -> can't really wake up at 4am Anyway, I have always dreamed a lot when I sleep i.e. I remember a lot of my dreams and they are usually more or less weird, in a nice way. I enjoy my dreams. I have seen lucid dreams a few years ago, after I had concentrated on wanting to remember that I'm actually dreaming...and it was awesome, but after I succeeded I didn't concentrate on it anymore...well, this thread sparked my interest again, as I am interested in all sorts of "esoteric" and mystic things.

This morning I had the most interesting experience that makes me want to try lucid dreaming a lot more again. I was, and still sort of am, suffering from a 2-day hangover, and I usually sleep very restlessly when hung over, and my dreams are sort of surreal...like real life but twisted somehow. I woke up at 8am, but fell asleep at 10.12 or something...I started to dream about being on a ship on some far away sea, with the water being like in the Mediterranean. Suddenly the ship got stuck to a reef...well, I for some reason just concentrated my will on moving the ship forward and it did...so I realized it was a dream. I jumped into the water and started swimming..then I saw a shark, but made it go away just by thinking about it. Then I remembered this thread. I started think about flying, and started to rise...then I started thinking about the ceiling of my room, and rising towards it. Then I started to hear this increasingly loud humming voice in my ears and felt being pulled upwards. Then some strong vibrations started shaking my body and I was like yay, I'm doing it...then the whole world started transitioning into sort of a black and white, or gray and white, and I could see my face, kind of, but it was blurry and kind of like in a photoshopped ghost photograph...if you know what I mean. It's hard to explain...it was kind of like I was getting out of my body...but the face distracted me, and freaked me out so I woke up :S My heart was beating like crazy, but damn I wanna do it again! It's just that when I'm dreaming, my emotions are always stronger, just like fear...so to overcome the fear in the end is the most challenging part.

Sorry for the long post, just wanted to get my thoughts out. One question though, for Socrates as he's done this projection before...what color is the astral realm? Is it like real life? Cause I don't think it's the color that I saw when I saw my face, I think that was just part of the transition. But then again, I have no clue.

i think u had an awesome experience clocker. ive tried socrates method but my mind is to tired to think but it takes time. i have lucid dreams some times but im afraid i'll forget im dreaming. hope on my next dream i'll know it and ask my spirit guides for astral travel.

Deejay

That is true...and your heartbeat slows down.
So don't go very very far, you might like to stay there and never come back.
Or keep someone with you to wake you up.
Happy travelling guys !

if ur in ur astral body can u take something physical and bring it back to ur physical body?

i had the second experience of this month last night again.
i was lying in bed after waking up and was sleepy.
i never intended to attempt to astral project.
i was thinking about something else, about rockets flying into space.
suddenly i felt myself entering a small room (with my eyes closed)
i heard no sounds, felt nothing for a moment.
then came the vibrations, more like shivering instead.
as this happened, chills went through my body.
this lasted for a minute.
then fear struck me without warning.
i desperately wanted to continue, i knew i was about to project.
but another part of me was struggling.
there was a battle going on in my mind then.
i lost the battle as fear overcome me and i snapped out of the trance...

i hope i can do this again and i swear i will NOT have fear the next time.

For the people beeing freaked out by the numbing vibrations, i thought i'd share a method to control them a bit.

It's all about how you visualise and it's important that you know there are no basics for what you visualise. You are free. But if you try to visualise your feet at first and then visualise how your astral feet slowly flies above your real feet , you will feel the numbing vibrations in your feet only and you are then free to slowly visualise on up the body getting used to the vibrations slowly. When you reach chestlevel it might get freaky and very "real" and for the head is where it gets hardest. Remember. Don't fear. You will only feel good trust me.

Know that the fear is only a "bug" put in your brain to keep you put. This is what causes people to have bad trips and so on, on drugs. When you are free of that, you are reborn.

Cool thread keep opening em up

Fear in an inherit trait passed on most higher animals to promote cautious behaviour and adaptive responces to harmful situations. Its most certainly NOT a "bug" and its most certainly NOT the reason for bad drug "trips". Those are attributed to your psychological state and subconcious last active components as your brain chemistry alters to accomodate the particular stimulant at hand.

If you going to suggest obscene theories, try at least and have some sort of reasoning for it.

Yes but we have now learned to tame animals. Wild tigers that grow up in a peaceful environment with humans, can live side by side with them. Fear is a strange little thing that you can use hypnosis and other methods to "remove" and i would even say "plant" also. Fear of spiders for example. Fear of people in the middle east with mass destruction weapons

It is a manipulative little mental parasite that can be very different from culture to culture, religion to religion. And because you say that it passes on, actually only validates to me how it almost has a life of it's own in the many vibrations that build up our universe.

Fearing a drug, like the media wants you to fear psychedellics plants a fear in your head. That fear is there to trigger bad trips and keep people off it. Fear is a living creature outside the understanding of our brains, i've seen it with my own eyes as it manifests itself and i have fought it to death. It lives on a "vibrational plane".

Fear shapes our reality and keeps us in our comfort zones, fears of beeing relaxed and beeing ourselves. Fear is controlled from somewhere.

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Fear can give you panic attacks and make you depressed! I guess evolution did a stupid job.

Astral Projection hurts and good luck with that.

Fear is the great mind killer. Bad drugs aren't responsible for bad drug trips. Fear is. If one was able to overcome his fear the drugs would not be as powerful.

I have been hearing sbout audio tapes that help you astral project for a while now. I wouldn't feel very safe using those audio tapes but I'd like to give them a try anyway. Only one problem, I can't find a free downloadable audio tape If anyone knows where I can find one PLEASE tell me.

I tried to AP last night. Using some methods i read around from google, and partly with yours while i was going to sleep. It was hard to concentrate without not noticing your surrounding feelings, such as an itch, or watery eye from my eyes twitching (happens to me a lot when i try to concentrate with closed eyes). I keep repeating in my head that i was going to AP and leave my body as Socrates explained in his method. After about a while, when i sort of felt like iwas going to drift into a sleep trance, i noticed a big sort of " falling off a building feeling" where my body just sank into a mood, my heart pounded faster, and instead of being frightened i was excited thinking i was going to AP soon. Many childhood fears pictured in my head before Aping but i soon forgot about them. I never quite reached AP, but i have no intent to stop trying after that experience alst night. Just that jolt of falling gave me this really awkward but enjoyable feeling. Was i close to Aping, or just too excited?

ok i tryed that method I EVEN WOKE UP AT 4 to try well i think i achived it but i'm not sure i just reamember that i was say to my self "ok go astral project self" and then as i was JUST about to fall asleep or trance i thought "oh crap i need to turn off my alarm" then it felt like i was dreaming and i walked over almost floating to my alarm clock and pushed the button to turn it off and just floated to my...uh...self. and then a few nights ago i was about to go to sleep and and suddenly started sorta dreaming that i was in a court room i walked sorta in from the side (of the jury) and started to walk up to the judge or witness (not to sure which one) and suddenly my entire body, not just a leg or arm, pulsed sorta like throbed in tightly out really big and back in and settled within and as that happend i jerked awake. i just layed there for a while staring at the ceiling breathing hard. so thats just about it but i need some ideas comments something to help please.

Floated to your clock
What are you trying to do?

huh? what am i trying to do? well at the time i was trying to turn off the alarm so it wouldn't wake me up if thats what your asking me

Once again I have tried to astral project without total sucess , yet I feel like I have gotten a little closer to it. While I was going to take my afternoon nap today, I decided to try this again by first trying to relax myself as well as possible and then I imagined and tried to sort of feel myself coming out of my body towards the ceiling. It took me a little while but I eventually started to feel my heart pounding faster and the uncontrollable muscle movements going on especially around my face. After these familiar sensations, I started to feel something I hadn't felt before. I started to feel extreme pulsing vibrations all over my body, then all I could hear was myself breathing all the while it felt as if my heart rate kept on racing. It literally felt as if I there was a pulsing earthquake inside my entire body.
In the end, all these sensations slowly came to a halt and I dissapointingly got up and out of it. I guess I'll keep on trying maybe once again tomorrow. I have yet to try Sacates' method which hopefully I can do this weekend when I am not so exhausted. In the end, I hope all this trouble for achieving AP is worth all the effort.

I tryed this last night,
I didnt want to wait till 4 so I started at 1.30,
Its pretty hard to imagine that you are standing somewhere in the room, insted of that I was
trying to empty my mind and think only about leaving my body,
after 30min I saw a blue light in my head and I felt like I was falling and in the same time slowly flying out of my body , but then I lost concentration and nothing happened.

I am going to try this again - tonight.

I tried Socrates method at getting up at 4am. I got up, turned off my alarm and practically passed out asleep once again lol. I don't know which method i'm going to try next. But i'm really anxious to experience this!

Hi.

I know For a fact that what socerties says is not a lie. Even know i've never experenced it before. The Univers is a complicated place.
I just wanted to ask socerties something though, some times i'd be just sitting there staring at something and i get this worm sense of peace around me. and then a few second later my whole body shakes. does that have anything to do with Astral travel?
Oh and a cople of questions, is it true that you can travel in time when in astral travel?
Can you really heal people in the physical world when in astral travel?
I been trying to learn it lately but all i get is head aches.

http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=1683

sorry about the bump
But there's been some AP threads popping up lately, and this is by far the best one, thanks Raven for the tip

Is Socrates still around?

I'm still way too scared to do it.... =/

I have Lucid dreams nearly every morning, just before I wake up. I the past when I seemed to be able to project every morning, I would feel myself rocking in my body and then I would be off, fully conscious of what I was doing. I think that there is a there is a thin line between Lucid dreaming and projection. For as I would find myself losing concentration, things just turned into a Lucid dream. These days I'm a bit stuck, when it comes to projecting, I have read various techniques, but not really suceeded except occasionally. I want to do it every day. Having read through the thread, I have not found many people talking about conscious projection. I would like some advise on that, at the moment I am meditating and just focusing on a particular point, whilst sitting in an upright postion, then the blanket on the bed seems to start wobbling like, I'm at sea. Can anyone advise on the next step?

You effort in astral projecting is quite strenuous and abnormal for your body as it does not replace actual sleep. A daily practise would most likely jepardise your health and sleeping patterns.

I have very lucid dreaming experiences when usually within periods where I feel both psysically and psychologically exhausted. It have deducted that my overwhelmed conscious thoughts are disrupting my sleep and make the dream sequences far more intense.

Whats the point of Astral travel? I've actually never heard of this

Socrates is my favoritie UM member ! :O

well if you guys can astral travel why don't you go find Osama or something along those lines?

...lol...i don't wanna go on a darker side of astral plane.

to experience the unknown.

There are dangers of the astral plane. It is not an entirely safe place. I would be very careful if I were you guys. Things CAN hurt you and get to you there. Yes I understand its fun and everything but there are dangers. Remember the entitys that Socrotes was talking about? Well not all entitys are nice. And there are many other things than humans and humanoids in the AP. Just be careful and if you sense any danger LEAVE. I myself have not come across danger. But I have been told by advanced psions what lies in the AP. And if you DO come across a powerful negatice entity,deamon,humaniod, etc. they can prevent you from returning to your body if you are not skilled enough to get out of it. Just be careful while you are out there and dont take everything nicely.

I doubt that AP is so dangerous, I havent heard of anyone who have died during AP ( if they would, would we know?).
As well as there is that unbreakable connections between body and soul.
By the way, may I ask whats your AP method?

I use more than one, but they all have the same concept. I go with what ever I feel is working. Usually what I do is lay in bed and DO NOT MOVE for as long as it take to the point where my entire body is relaxed and its kinda numb....you know when your laying down and you dont know what kind of position your hand is couse you cant really feel it? Well its like that. So after that I close my eyes and think of nothing but wanting to AP and I clear my mind of EVERYTHING else. Than all the weird things happen, voices, noises, vibrations and that fun stuff. When I feel Im doing it I open my eyes and move.....get out of bed and look at my body to make sure Im out. Sometimes when I close my eyes after relaxing my body I visualize my AP body slowly rising out of my physical body and keep thinking about that. Other times I visualize a magnet and feel the force all over my body pulling out my AP body and then I just fing out really fast and then visualize me out of body.

I'd love to hear about more of your experiences Socrates!

Socrates havent been online for ages, better ask !shocker!.