Yea yea think I can relate to that one its like when you look at a word for too long and it loses all meaning but obviously on a larger scale. Use to get that a lot when younger, I'd be walking home from school and start thinking who I am? where am I? am I really me? and it creates a feeling I am not articulate enough to describe. One evening I took this line of thought to the extreem and started freaking out about the very fact that I was concious... just could'nt get my head round it. I was so freaked out that I was unable to communicate with my friends who were really concerned, I thought if i told them about my concerns they would freak out too! and at the time it seemed like a hopeless situation. I spent the night jumping in and out of an empty bath in utter panick and then finnally into a pond in my garden which seemed to help a bit.

My mother had passed last month that's why I've been off line for so long I've been busy with final expenses on the 3rd day after her death I prayed that night that if I AP I would like to go to the other side and see her I aped but I ha no control over it it was as if "hands" were pulling on me when I got to where I was I saw her she didn't looked worried and stressed anymore and she wondered why was I there then I came back into my body I still can't seem to move by my self on the astral I get out about 4-6ft above my body then it reels me back in for some reason.

Cool other who share the same strange feeling my friends says its just me lol thinking too much lol but its really waird tho.. its like.. how can i describe it... like something is wrong about you being councious or something also i managed to get my arm out of my physical last night by command ima try that again now and see if i can do it again or of it was just pure luck

Im sorry to hear about your mother but the fact that you saw her in the astral must have bin a special feeling for you..
At least you get out i cant seem to get all out if i dont wake up in a dream (witch i cant do by command) Also what do you do when you AP like.. what technique do you use?

EDIT: ima go to bed now and try ap

Anyways i tried the 4 in the morning technique again and wasnt so great....................

so i woke up on my alarm and looked at the clock. It was perfectly 4:00 in the morning. and thats the last i remember.
Weird huh? ALIENS!!!!!

For some reason I can ap better during the early evening hours 7p-9p I use the relaxation technique I lay on my back or side it takes me 10-15 to find a comfortable position then I tense my muscles one by one then relax them starting at my feet and stopping at my face I can't do anything in the astral yet I'm trying to figure out the dynamics of that word but the laws of the physical don't apply there I'm just figuring that out I'm trying to figure out how to move far enough away from my body not to get reeled back in.

When I saw my mother I was "pulled" to her I couldn't see the beings that did it but I didn't feel a threatened so it must have been some divine entity either my guides or angles but I was going at blazing fast speeds.

If I could only move by my self in the astral well I'll just keep on trying this month makes 1 full year since I first started practicing I've made it this far there's no quitting now.

Um.. Yeah... Aliens for sure


I never do any relaxation techniques.. Well i will tonight tho, But i feel i can get pretty much relaxed.. Like i dont know what position my arms and legs are in.. But my chest/head is another thing i cant seem to loose feelings there but i have had some few things happend to me (like moving my arm out of the physical) witch btw i could not manage last night guess it was pure luck then Anyway im looking for new techniques i can try so any info is wellcome

And yeah it would be a shame to quit after coming this far as you have

Just thinking back to your post about thinking of things such as ''What is life'' or ''How can I move'', I think the same way. Maybe I don't go too crazy over it but when I get what I call my life ''Theories" which are sort of "deep" I just feel proud to come up with something like that. The main one to say is anything in the world is possible. It only takes a the belief. I mean to say, a bit of mind over matter is what has me all better now. And on that orning in which I did Astral Project, I had said a few times that night out loud (Although it was in a whisper cause if anyone downstairs heard me shouting out then...just imagine.) that I will Astral Project and lo' and behold, I did, even for just that little while.
So sometimes when I question life, I don't try to knock unbelievable things down, I accept that all is possible. If you don't, your closing that once opened mind. . Once one "impossible" thing is proven, even just something you saw or did yourself (Which is better so no one will keep trying to deny it) then other things can happen.
I told myself to forget all of eat this and don't eat that (Which to say, no offence to anyone if they thought off these ideas up.) I only find they help with relaxation. But with a bit of relaxation only helps you think more clearly. Of course thinking if important but I was on a hard bed lying down when I AP'ed.

AHH, I'm such a fool to keep going on like this. To keep it in one sentence:
From short time experience, I find that a strong open mind and belief/&/willpower is all it truly takes. (But you might want to get at least a bit comfy so you can think straight).
The brackets don't count as the sentence . And I know there are strong open-minded people here so do what you believe is right. I only gave a bit of advice (which I'm sorry...it turned out into a big waffle).
P.S. The only thing I've nearly been saying my whole life is impossible is owning every possible made thing on this world. Example: I want a 2cm sweet in a pale coloured wrapper of 1.253948573" deep, then with all possible measurements. Number's go on forever. So that includes other stuff like it's impossible to count tp the end. There is no end of numbers etc........ .

Oy, I stayed up way to late last night. By 4 AM all the strength I could muster was expended by the time I turned off the alarm clock. I'll have to go to bed earlier tonight.

i have a question for you all. I have been trying, on and off (mostly off) for a couple years to AP without any luck. Life keeps getting in the way and I forget about it for bits of time, but I am back at it again, so I'm crossing my fingers.

My question is how do you feel AP ties in to relgious beliefs? I am agnostic. I believe most metaphysical stuff is possible, but does not beliving in certain God preclude you from having these types of experiences? I am more about exploring my own path to truth (hence trying to learn AP), rather than take the word of text written (and rewritten and rewritten and rewritten) eons ago.

Can you plz tell me what technique you used to astral travel after you woke up?

Astral projection can be completely non-spiritual if you want it to be. Mine is.

I think all I did was imagining pulling myself up with a rope because it gives you the feeling that you actually are going up. It was simple to project once I had gotten into that state I described but I have no idea how to induce it. It happens randomly sometimes after waking up, falling back asleep and waking up again. If you're lucky to get into that state, I merely thought of projecting and using the rope technique, then I was out.
P.S. It's great when it happens in the morning because it's much easier to see and you could see more stuff outside once it's bright.

ok. thank you. I'll try to astral travel using your method.

All my experiences have been in the morning, when its light out.

OMG heya everyone! sorry all, not been on this forum in ages... ....although gees o, im so proud of this forum!! Way to go, its got to be one of the longest Astral PRojection Forums ever....wow over 100 pages ...you guys rock, i hope u guys keep it up. Just wnat to say that my astral projection is really not working for me no matter how hard i try because i end up falling asleep or just unable to get there sometimes. aaaaah >_<"...anyways though, just wanted to say im so proud of you guys and update on the fact that my astral projection is getting nowhere lol, anyways, go go everyone, hope the progressing with AP is going well for everyone =)

Dreamer x

I had a really cool flying experience once, not sure if it was a dream or astral projection but the way that it came about seems like it may be linked in someway.

It all started a few years ago, I woke up with that sleep paralysis thing but this time it was different, it really felt as if I was moving into the wall and I had this image that through the wall was space and also it felt like someone was there ready to show me around a bit or give me some advice if I should fancy it. But I was terrified! I did'nt want to go into the wall so put all my strength into pulling out and waking up. This sort of thing continued to happen every now and then, I kept waking up in that state really scared and feeling as though I was moving somewhere, usually into the wall, but always pulled myself back out of fear.
Then one day I made a decision that next time this happens I'm going to try and just go with it (what ever it was) and not get scared! So after chickening out a few times I did manage to go with the flow one time and this took me into the best flying dream I have ever had! I was flying over the city where I live and just having fun with it, totally aware that its a dream and a great opportunity to have a wizz about.

Only managed to read the first and last 6 pages of this thread but now I've learnt a little about this sort of thing I feel even more encourage to try and go with these sensations should they happen again, and not to get scared.

Before i start, i just need to say that, i decided a couple of months ago that i would like to do a little AP after talking about an experience i had when i was little with a friend which i may or may not start a topic about at some point. I already have a very deep understanding of meditative states and decided that perhaps before i try the "my technique" i would try to feel my way intuitively to see where my....i duno, psychic instincts take me?...anyway so theres the background

ok, i dont know what happened here, this was the first time i really went for it full throttle. I was listening to my breathing and moving from this into a state of calm, acceptance and nothingnous. I was visualising...not visualising, but just letting go of consciousness...not wakefullness, but letting go of my physical grip to...everything, letting my mind rise.

A funny thing happened before the AP/Lucid dream experience took place, at one point, my eyes (closed), kind of slowly lost their grip, they became light in feeling, until they jerked suddenly (it was a bit of a shock) and were open...it was a very strange sensation and it caused me to loose my fluidity with the moment...should i have allowed them to jerk like this (hmm, i didnt allow them, it was like a reflex), was this my consciousness grabbing hold of my body again?

Anyway, i turned over and started again. Something strange happened, but it was all so quick and dream like. I felt this slight pop in my head, it was a little like you hear noise underwater and then i was floating but i was too...unconscious? no, too, i dont know what..ha haaa it was strange, but what was stranger is the fact that someone was assisting me. It was a he and i think his name began with "L" although he did not communicate this. He guided me through a sort of blurring corridor (corridoor is the only way to describe) and then he seemed to go through a door (not a door, the only way to describe)? on the right and the rest just seems too much like a dream.

I do Lucid dream so i know what the dream state feels like when i am in it, i wonder if this is a "wild" Lucid like what Byron speaks of in his thread. If i did AP i think it was for a very short amount of time before my sub conscious took over perhaps. Maybe the dream had already started when i met the "L" stranger? The part that i am pretty sure was dreamt after this was uncomfortable, not frightening, but uncomfortable because although i knew i was dreaming, the experience of AP was on my mind. I think i may have dreamt that the "L" character told me that he was just going to go downstairs and go on my computer? for some reason, and then (this is the uncomfortable bit) some other people i dont really like were lying in bed with me which i was not happy about at all, and told them to leave which they did but i was offended by the very nerve of them being there in the first place, this doesnt happen to me in dreams usually, if something uncomfortable happens its because i want it to but this in its way was not, i dont often have to play myself and tell things to go away to make them leave (ha haaa, probably a me version of "the hag").

I do not know whether someone did come and visit me...is this possible? or how far i got before my description starts to define a dream rather than AP because AP is new territory and the dreams were of a different quality...any ideas? edit2: just thought too, these questions would probably be answered by the manual ha haaaa oh well, i'll experiment a little more first and then check it out.

NICE ONE!!
nn23

edit1: oh yeah, just remembered, before i decided to do it first without trying "the technique" i had read a few posts and people saying about the popping feeling, so it is possible i dreamt that although i was still quite awake when i did feel it and actually it kind of marked the moment where my perceptions all changed, but maybe my perceptions changed just before this and it was my imagination...i duno...ha haaa, i'll have to give it another go and see

that happened to me too

If you can lucid dream at will, then during you're lucid dream you can AP

I know.. This forum has really grown You have a problem APing cuz u fall asleep too fast?? I have a problem not being able to sleep when trying to AP so i found out it best to try AP from a dream.. Even tho i cant have a lucid dream when i want to so.. But i suggest you try throu a lucid dream, If you read some of the paged behind (90-100 somewhere) i wrote about the 2 best results i had and both was from lucid dreams So thats my suggestion

P.S i might not have too much time to check the forum but il leave a message when i can

Also The Unexplained is right AP is easy if you can lucid dream.. Oh i wish i could at will Oh well..

I tried to astral travel last night. I was laying in bed, trying to be all calm and everything . Then i started thinking about astral traveling and tried to pull myself out of my body, but it was like my body was holding on to me, trying not to let me go. So i pushed with my mind and started feeling a tingly sensation at the bottem of my feet. Then the sensation started moving up my body, but i lost consentration when it reached my knees and fell asleep . Then through out the next day, my knees were hurting. I wanted to ask u guys, was i in the process of astral traveling, or was i just imagine it?

Well, the definition that led me to believe that i was a Lucid dreamer stated that lucid dreaming was when you were aware that you were dreaming while you were in a dream state and once you could do this you can learn to control what happens in the dream.

With me its complex because according to people i have spoken to, i am what is called a "natural" lucid dreamer. This refers to the fact that i have been doing it all my life, i rarely have a dream where i am unaware that its a dream and i always remember them. This also means that my control over what happens is far more spontanious than that of somebody who has had to learn it. I dont go through a decision making process, i just do what i want within the dream almost instinctively. Sometimes i need to play a character in order to clear up certain details of whats happening and sometimes its nice just to float around the story and see whats happening, a bit like an interactive movie...thats what happens for me, and i was told that that was lucid dreaming...how i can turn that into AP i do not know, perhaps many of my dreams are already on the AP, i have travelled through galaxies before, but what happened when i was actually trying to AP the other night was different!

i rarely have experiences that i disapprove of...because i'm the one that decides what happens, and i never have to tell something to leave "as me" the things i want to leave or disapprove of just dont happen or find a story passage out because i will them too, this is what i do not understand about the other night...i'll explore further, i tried last night but my animals kept doing my head in and bringing me back...

Well for me when i found out i was in a dream i simply thought "this is a dream.. i can try AP" and i jumped (believing i would fly out of my body) and suddenly i was on my bead with the vibrations.. I guess the thing is that you just need to believe you will AP and take a jump so try that next time

P.S i know it was not a dream after i jumped in that dream cuz i was fully conscious and at one point i managed to open my eyes a little and i dunno what really happend then but i remember seeing throu my physical eyes while i was seeing somewhere else... (hard to explain) anyway i go scared when i could move my arm and not see it so i wanted to wake up i wont make that mistake again tho but good luck with your AP

wild stuff..... i'm gonna try to AP through lucid dreaming as i have lucid dreamed, without realizing that it had a name, a few times as a child.
One time I willed my stuffed animal dog, Max, to come to life and visit me in my dream by calling out for him. I think I will concentrate on realizing I am dreaming while dreaming becuz the technique listed a hundred pages ago has not worked for me on any of the occasions that I have tried.

Good luck to everyone and I'll write back any progress I make.

Here's a thread I made with a guide on lucid dreaming for those who do not know how to lucid dream (if they can't lucid dream naturally). I wonder what the success rate of AP via lucid dreaming is. Does it work every single time?

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=90135

Anyway, I want to get much better at lucid dreaming before trying AP out for myself (maybe for an investigation in which I see if it'll work for me). That way, I'll already have good control with Sleep Paralysis and the entire process.

YEAH!! that was something weird i experienced in the sort of corridoor stage, i had a vague image of my room around me, but sort of like a projector sheet of the AP/dream over the top of it...but this was for a fragment...my memories are too vague and messy for any certainty seeing as it was my first try, and so much other stuff happened, but i just remember that pop when everything went into fuzzynous and thinking, "oh hello, i remember reading about that" ...this image could have easily been confused with the dreams though. HA HA i'm gona go off and give it another go now, the extra meditation does my mind a world of good anyway

i was wandering if u can start astral traveling also in your lucid dreams..i heard that u can actually initiate an astral travel right from within your lucid dream...do you believe this is possible and as mentioned, astral travel is related to the dreaming phenomena so it might be possible....im i right??

Well as much as i know you always AP when you sleep so.. My thoughts is that lucid dreaming and AP is the same thing but because you think its a dream your brain makes it one so yeah if you lucid dream it should be easy to AP

EDIT: If you read a little up theres some info just above

OKAY?!?!?! as it became so quiet all of a sudden il just go 1 inch off topic AND double post at the same time to say this: CHICKEN IS GOOOOOD!

j/k thats not the only reason im posting i was wondering if there is any way to learn to lucid dream without keeping a dream journal, u see i could never get up after a dream to write it down as im to sleepy AND im not a big fan of writing lol so.. any tips?

Chicken is good . When I used to write up in my dream journal, I'd take ages as I went into every piece of detail. When I think about it now, all you really need is a short summary because reading the summary is enough to help you remember what you dreamt about. But if you do go into detail , which took me about 15-20 minutes per dream, then you'd get so tired you'd fall asleep again and get two dreams a day to record. And reading from a book I have, it says approx. 12 dreams are enough to notice your dream signs and signals. But with a summary, I guess it's enough, which can transform to 2 minutes less of writing. Maybe if you just write your dream signs and signals like this.
Date: DD/MM/YY
Dream Signs: School, moon, beach etc.
Dream Signals: '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' ''
And maybe a brief description of the dream. But I can barely remember the difference between signs and signals. Signs are like the objects in the dream that appear in most dreams while signals are like things you know don't make sense that can only be in a dream.
I know that didn't really help answer your question but hopefully it made it somewhat easier for you, if you decide to write down your dreams.

hmmm, you dont have to write a dream journal, just think about it lots, let your waking thoughts go over and over the story again and again.

I wish i could think of a tip, but maybe you could draw something from what i feel is the explanation for my Lucid dreaming.

I am type 1 diabetic and i believe that the area of my brain that makes me instinctively aware of what my blood sugars are doing (i can tell when they are low because of the way i feel and think) is possibly in the same area that allows me to differenciate between when i am conscious and unconscious.

hmmm, one thing i have noticed is that everyone seems to try so hard to do it, i think perhaps too hard. It is possible that the actual effort could become the obsticle. However there is a guy on Byron's page who sounded as though he had a VERY applied control over his dreams, more conscious than my own....i'll just check his name out and edit it in

....yeah, it was Mr walker, ha ha i left a post there telling him to come over here and give tips

Well the problem seems to be that when i try to write down my dreams when i wake up il be either too tired to even think about it or i wont fall back asleep (im not the one who falls asleep too easy) thats why it might be a problem.. anyway i might just try it again just to see if i can

When i wake up, I usualy forget about the dream journal and go thoughout the day as normal . Some time ago, I read that you can (instead of using a dream journal) use a tape recorder to recored your dreams. Much easier .


I tried to AP last night. I did a technique, and while i was going through the technique, my body felt heavy and muscles in my face keept contracting and retracting. I think I was getting close to AP and realized this when i was concentrating, got too exited, and lost consentration . I'll keep u guys updated on my progress to AP, in case u are intrested or willing to give me advice .

The last couple of times i tried, i sort of had the same, but i get to a point that i mistake me actually trying to lift my physical body up with the sensation of being higher so i'm aware not to do that now and so then relax myself and then i start to feel ....the weight/being of my consciousness and thats when certain muscles on my body sort of flicker and twitch he he, its quite funny...i guess the more we do it, the more used to this happening we will become and the easier it will be to ignore

If you're actually moving your physical body, then it sounds like you're trying too hard to leave your body. Try hard and stay focused the entire time, but you don't have to concentrate THAT hard.

And I used to do that too.

LOLOL i tried to AP last night and i tried to hard i tried to move my arm and after a while i felt something weird so i tried even harder to move my arm and suddenly i hit the wall besides me and i hit it hard too also there is something really weird going on.. well i just got oblivion (the pc game) and i also had a dream about me being in a store and i was gonna buy it and i looked around and i could see a expansion pack for it in my dream and i could see the name clearly but the weird part is i did not know there were any expansions out yet i just came a cross it when surfing around at gamespot the day after and i got really freaked out anyone had anything like that happening before? i keep telling myself i must have heard of it somewhere and forgot but.. now im not so sure

EDIT: btw the guy in PREY (the pc game) is APing

I want Oblivion soooooo badly! I played it on my friends computer for a while, the game only lasted until I got outside of the dungeon, looked around, and then the whole thing froze up and wouldn't work again. I was a major Morrowind fan and I can't wait to get a computer, 360, or PS3 so I can finally rejoin the Elder Scrolls Franchise as a devoted obsseced person.

On a more serious note. Most of spring break, I stayed up way to late. I made four attempts. The first two times, I was just plane too weak. At four in the morning, there was no strength in me to do anything more then shut off the horribly annoying clock. There was no aware(I can't spell the word that starts with con) decision to go back to sleep so the next time I decided that instead of putting the alarm at the edge of the bed, I would put it on the top of my TV table along with a bowl of water and a clean towl. Now before this I had had a dilema because I didn't know whether the directions intend for the reader to shut the lights off. On one hand your physical body is supposed to be asleep, but on the other, your supposed to be both mentally and spiritually aware. Anyway, I cut the lights off, and focussed all of my mind of the concept of leaving my body but nothing resulted. If anyone has any suggestions, I would appreciated it.

I have yet to succeed in voluntary astral travel...dreams of course happen to everyone.

I first became interested in this concept a few months ago and starte to investigate it. I found out that I've been experiencing those strange sensations my whole life. I distinctly remember jolting awake from a sinking feeling from my childhoood days. Over the past seven or eight years, it's become more and more common for me to wake up in the middle of the night from that feeling. I sleep on a loft that leaves me about two/two and a half feet of head-room...so few times when I've woken up, I've hit my head on the celing.

Most recently, I started to experience the violent vibrations. It's only happened once...I was moderately stoned and seated in a reclining chair, (head towards north...feet towards south).

I also started to experience the slipping astral body: when the astral body stays in thegeneral vicinity as the physical body...but moves around in sporratic directions. I once remembered controling it...but I didn't want to astral travel at that time, so I didn't persue it.

I have trouble keeping my eyes closed while I sleep. They usually open a little bit. THis proves to be a porblem whenever I try to astral travel. I can keep my consciousness aware/awake...but then my eyes open involuntarily. Does anyone else have/have had this problem?

I try to Astral Travel at different times of day...but I've never tried it at 4 in the morning. That sounds like a good idea and I'll try it tonight/tomorrow morning.

Did you think about being somewhere else in your room when trying to AP?

Off topic: I played oblivion once (it was my friends). I increaved my lock picking really high and stuff. Then, i got arrested. So i tried to lock pick my way out, but my lock pick broke .

Back to the topic, I tried to AP last night. I relaxed myself and concentrated. I felt the muscles in my face twitch again (but i became use to that), but after the twitching, I felt my arms move as if it were made of jelly and someone was shaking it. I wasn't ready for this, so i lost concentraiton. So i looked at where my arms were, but they haven't moved. . Wierd, but cool in a way of being closer to AP .

well i sometimes just open my eyes a little when trying to AP and i dunno why.... and also.. i can get more relaxed with my eyes open.. i think.. as it feels like im using my muscles to keep them closed.. if i dont move a muscle in my face at all my eyes would open a little and when i lie on my back i need to move my tung a little lol like.. holding it up so i wont swallow it but everyone does that automatic i guess...


HAHA i did the same thing.. until i found out you could just press ~ (think it was that one) to open your console, select the lock with your mouse and write unlock to unlock stuff

Anyway think il take a break tonight.. i woke up early today.. (rather earlier) and for about 4 seconds after i woke up it felt as if i were somewhere else was a weird feeling but nothing more tho.. even tho i seem to remember my dreams more after starting to try AP

EDIT: hey check this out: LINK this might be crap but it really gave me a strange feeling i need some info on this.. can this help or is it just crap?

That was what I gave most of my thought too. I tried affirming what I intend to do a couple times as well.

That's interesting. I didn't know you could actually play from inside prison unlike in #3. What happens if you can't break out, can you just sleep until your term is up?

Interesting, this practice must really involve a high level of concentration.

You know, I think some people have to put in energy to keep them shut and some to keep them open. Cause for me, especiall when I've played video games too long or am just plane tired, it takes energy to keep them open.

My school fire wall stepped in when I clicked on it and said Category: Cults Acess Denied. What's on that website, a spell or something?

well normally i dont think about it (keeping my eyes closed and stuff) but when i try to AP i start to think about all sorts of details and i try to get more relaxed and i notice that sometimes its more relaxing to keep them slightly open.. but i dunno.. might be my mind as if i feel really tired its easier keeping them closed

and the web site is some kind of magic, AP, candle magic etc.. (some kind of accult site) if thats how u spell it.. anyway on the site i sent was a image off some kind of spiral witch will help you AP ( the picture that is) when i looked at it the first time i felt a little magnetic drag.. but i just felt weird when i tried again lol check it if you can

I didn't even look at the proper image and I felt a little strange and I was only starting to read the top. But I think it was the strong red colour hurting my eyes. . I wouldn't expect for that to work as it is an image on a VDU.
Does anyone here find it too difficult trying to Astral Project now the holidays are over? I have to return to school and am exhausted every night. I just can't find a good chance to try. Roll on Summer Holidays! (After a Junior Cert, just can't wait ).

heh actually the time i usually get results is when there are school in the morning... after about 5 -7 hours of sleep im usually pretty tired in the morning and i have REALLY weird dreams that feel almost real and stuff like that.. i think its better if your really sleepy.. dunno if this works for all but i think its better when your really tired or in the morning when your half asleep

And yeah i would not believe in that image to much even tho it did make me feel weird and there might be SOME truth about it IF your already good with AP

hey guys. I'm new, so i'll jsut say hi before I post

Anyways...

I lucid dream quite often, and I'm a natural lucid dreamer. i adore it and what not.

But I'd never try AP, for one good reason.
I just wanted to post to clear this from my shoulders, more or less. I'll summarize it as much as possible.
I'm a teenager, and have been readign up on the paranormal and occult stuff for a few years, and my Dad has been informed on everything and has provided guidance on stuff. He used to do AP, as well as biofeedback, and etc etc. guess he was sort of a metaphysicist(?)

Slowly, we've discussed his experiences with the occult. we came to the touchy part of why he doesn't practice anymore. As a previous posters from probably close to 90 pages back said, he had a run in with the so called "bad spirits". He was personally attacked, not only while APing, but also in his waking life. He had mental battles constantly with these entities, and its taken ages for him to permanently fight them off. 20 years.
That wasn't the thing that made him truly quit though. his mother, and my grandmother, got interested in APing. she wasn't nearly at his level, and, while these things were mentally barraging him, they decided to attack her. He actualyl had a fight for her life. It still scares the hell out of him, enough that he was in tears talking about that. I've only seen him cry once or twice in my 16 years, so that meant something.

I definitely believe in the paranormal and AP, but for these reasons, I'd never consider trying it. I'd rather not risk it.
I know there is an arguement about a silver cord that connects you to your body, and that nothing can harm you while it's intact. and that nothing can sever it. except death or god. but who's to say something can't block your way? as well as the fact that not only death has the ability to severe the cord, if it weakens you enough mentally.

All I'm saying is, use some caution doing AP, and learn how to defend yourself while using caution. It's better safe than sorry.

I also, like another person mentioned wayyyy earlier in this topic, recommend going to the psi-online forums at www.psi-online.org/ and posting about it for more information.

anyways, just a word of caution. If your determined, go armed and with a mental shield, lol!



-Solitaia.

I just woke up and had a REALLY special experience i wanted to post but il reply something to you first everyone AP when they are asleep they just dont know it witch makes the brain create its own world from your thoughts and memories.. or at least thats what i think but i know everyone AP in they`re sleep but yeah i agree we dont know anything at all about the astral.. i mean really we have no clue we just speak off what we have read or experienced but thats no proof it cant go wrong

Ok so.. heres why i came in the first place..

I THINK I APED!! (i know we all do it every night but i mean "fully conscious AP") or at least i must have been close!! it all does feel more like a dream now.. but im sure it was no normal dream!
well i was in a normal dream dreaming about something that i cant remember now.. i only remember thinking "hey i can go there next since this is a dream" and suddenly i thought "a dream? then i can AP" and suddenly i could feel vibrations more and more as i concentrated and i suddenly thought of something else and they went away.. but as i started thinking about AP it started again.. i can remember seeing how i lied on the bed from my own eyes (no bird view or things like that) and suddenly i hear a fffffffffOP! sound and everything sounds strange and the vibrations stop.. so i decided to get up and i was lying face down suddenly and i got a little up and just rolled out of my bed landing on the floor but i could not feel it.. so i thought "I AM ACTUALLY APING" and this time i did not get back to my physical but i still had an eerie feeling about it and suddenly i thought of something "evil" or more like a picture of something i saw in a horror movie popped into my head when i thought about there being evil stuff out there and i got scared i might be attracting them so i closed my eyes (astral once i guess) and thought of my body.. BUT I COULD NOT GET BACK! for some reason whatever i thought would not make me go back!!! but suddenly i was on my bed and i could not move i could see my arm and position like before but i could not move! so i closed my eyes and wanted to go back! and.. i can remember waking up and going out of bed trying to jump to see if i was in the astral or not and going back to bed.. and suddenly i woke up! but my arms and my position was the same as my physical when i APed (if i did) so.. anyone please reply!! any thought about???

I should be getting internet acess at home soon, when I do, I'll check the link because I really want to sucessfully astral travel, and do to school, I can only make two attempts per weak using the 4 am technique. Anything that can increase my chances of sucess would be good.

That's a pretty scary thing to think about. Well, I was reading up on meditation and trancework and pathworking, as is described in wicca. And the author suggested that you set an alarm clock to wake you up at a specific time, or have someone knock loudly on your door at a set time preferably the former considering clocks are much more reliable then people. I'm guessing that when you enter a deep enough state of meditation it is very similar to astral projection, and it may become difficult to get back in your body. So maybe that's what you should do, or would that even work?

That's pretty freaky. You probably APed, but when you AP, you should beable to go back to your body any time you want. I don't really know what to tell you .

I tried APing last night, again. I got really relaxed, then i did the technique i usually do. I went through all the phrases i normaly go through. Then i could feel my blood pump throughout my body, and the hypnotic vision (i think that's what you call it) started moving back and foward in front of my eyes. My body also got numb. I keept my cool this time, so i didn't get shocked or anything, but then my hampster started making a lot of noise, so i lost consentration . Ahhh well... there is always tonight .