Well.. as nobody else is posting il just go ahead and post what happened last night!

Well i think i know how to AP now.. Or at least how i can do it.. Well i had my chance twice last night but i did not do it, The reason is that im still a little scared of what happened last time (thinking of something scary and not getting back instantly) but i think i woke up twice last night not for long as i cant remember being awake more then a second but in that second i just concentrated on APing, The strange thing is that i cant explain it.. It`s not like i thought about AP or anything close.. It felt like it was natural.. I just did it just as easy as moving an arm or a leg same thing i just did it and i felt vibrations and thought "NO i cant do this wake up wake up" and tried to move.. But i could not move and suddenly i was just dreaming a normal not lucid dream... But the same thing happened again.. I wake up for just a second and i decide to try it again.. And i feel the vibrations instantly but i stopped it again and had another dream.. This dream was more real tho but it did not make sense at all.. It felt real at the time but now its fading.. I dreamed that i woke up in a bathtub in my bathroom and that i got up and out of there but then i woke up now... we don't even have a bathtub <.< soo any thoughts?

P.S it seriously felt natural to get the vibrations.. it was like i just did it.. not thinking or anything just.. did it

I've have never done astral projection.
But once when i was laying down
doing nothing i think i heard a popping sound
in my ear but what i did was quickly turn around..

It could be that something were about to happen but im not sure.. but one thing that would probably scare the sh** out of me would be the voices.. i have not heard any voices yet but im not hoping for it

Quiet..

I haven't really gotten farther in my attempt to AP. So I'll post again sometime when something actualy happens insted of rambling on about my faild attempt.

Thanks a million sephiorth976, even the site in general is brilliant. Two for the price of one. I haven't got time to get it just yet and read it. I just posted in to say thanks.

Well week 2 is here and that means 2 more videos from the site.. il see if i can get my but to upload it later

and by the way its nothing to read there are videos you can watch where they explain everything

I was thinking... If we can go anywhere we want in the astral dimention, then would we beable to go with our friedns to an amusement park and ride roller coasters and stuff?

108 pages, and you are all still on topic? I think that's a record for a forum!

Is it possible to use telekinesis and/or any other type of psychic power during the duration of the astral projection? If so, would we be able to transfer that ability into the physical realm?

I know they are videos but it's just the way I always phrase these things. I'm having problems with it though. It doesn't go onto the site, it goes straight onto the Download File box. Then when it comes out as an RAR, I can't view it. Ah well, I was thinking that learning to AP from complete personal practice, then I might be more successful. I still haven't tried it in ages though.

Well yeah the videos are in the rar file lol i zipped the file so that you could download them.. if ur not registered for the course you cant see the videos, so thats why i made a zip file with the videos

Also i think il try AP tonight.. might be interesting as i did not sleep at all last night i dunno why i just could not fall asleep lol but anyway u have to download the rar file and unrar it to view the videos

and btw theres a password on the rar file and the password is sephiroth976

I was gonna respond to these too but i was too tired last night so il do it now..


In the astral you can create your own world from your thoughts so i guess you can create your own amusement park


Yeah i think ur right.. i mean 108 pages is a lot


Hmm well you can do anything like that in the astral but doing it in the physical world is something else... would be cool tho

btw i had some kind of halfe dream half AP experience last night.. but its nothing special as its hard to remember.. i mostly remember the feeling of being pulled several times till i suddenly floated...

good evening...
first post here.

a question to socrates...
have you ever met anyone in the astral ..like a friend of yours and shared together exactly the same experiences
and if so, is this the same as 'shared dreaming'

First of all welcome to the forum

And i just thought i should point out that he`s not on anymore he has not been in a long time now so i guess he`s not coming...

EDIT: Everyone AP when they sleep.. when you dream ur still in the astral plane but what you see is your feelings and memories combined into a dream!

Welcome aprilla to UM aswell! It'd be great if Socrates would return but as I've read throughout the previous pages about him and The Raven arguing about Socrates that he was a liar etc., he hasn't returned to this topic since.
sephiroth976, are you're first 100 posts (Once you reply here once) going to be all on the same topic because that'd be a first.

It is a good belief you have about everyone Projecting when they sleep. Coincidently, when I was about six and before I ever knew anything about Astral Projection, I used to think that everyone's souls left them while they slept. I imagined my soul was in the sky and playing with my other friends. I outgrew the thought a long time ago.
For now, I still don't think it's true. Sleep just seems too natural but in all fairness, we can't fully know what happens while we sleep.
I'm going to have a free room tonight so now's the chance. All I'll make is progress and then will probably have to wait till next week. It's too hard lately getting the chance cause my brother snores while grinding his teeth.

that is too bad, I just looked at his last post in the 88th page and the posts that ensued. This is a facinating topic, and the size of this thread is quite impressive. If I sucessfully project, I will probably convert to Gnosticism. But yeah, one mroe post, and they'll all be on this thread. Then one more post and you will have more posts here then anyone else. It is admirable that you are helping people out who have questions and even providing the videos to those who missed the course. Kudos sephiroth and good day to all!

Hmm, how could I have missed this topic, its the biggest one in this sub-forum....Anyway, Curious as to know Seph, how long have you been projecting? Just curious cause ifs more than me I'll probably have a few questions myself . Portaining to the sleep portion, but when I medicate Zen-Meditation style I seem to "Achieve" a projection, hard to describe wondering if It's more or so like putting my body into a minor sleep stage, while the consciousness leaves the body.

Wow ur right...100 posts on the same topic is kind of a lot well they say that we all AP in our sleep in that course and explains a lot of stuff about why but its hard for me to explain here so its better for you guys to watch the videos yourself also i cant get over that feeling i still have... last time i got out of my physical body.. it was not for long but it felt natural like i was just doing it just as i move an arm or a leg.. but i cant do this whenever i want yet tho so i guess i need to train a bit more

and btw great that you get a chance to AP tonight! good luck


Well i know how it feels to miss out on something u really want.. thats why i decided to post the videos, and i also read A LOT about AP and i like helping so il just answer whatever i can


Well i have not been able to have a FULLY ap experience yet.. i have been out of my body a couple of times but not on command.. i usually just understand that i am dreaming and at once i feel vibrations or something like that.. i have not been APing for long tho maybe.. i dunno.. 3-4 months but i read A LOT about it probably every day but of course i dont know everything.. i would still like to hear your questions tho.. if i dont have the answers i could probably need them

also about what you said "putting my body into a minor sleep stage, while the consciousness leaves the body" is this what you are doing? sry if i did not understood you right but this is exactly what AP is.. as far as i know that is.. your physical body is sleeping while you (your consciousness or astral body) is in the astral plane.. or thats what they say in the AP course

BTW i have not uploaded the week 2 of the course yet.. and week 3 is soon out.. but im thinking of uploading the flash to a web site just to make it more simple for you guys so when week 3 is out il see what i can do

YAY 100 POSTS!! also i never belived i would make such big posts ever

*Sigh*, same thing happened, I fell asleep before I even get the chance to try. I'm not even going to bed that late and I used to take ages falling asleep. This change has only come on recently and it's setting me back like this. I have to just start the second I go to bed. Since I've no school tomorrow, hopefully I'll have more luck. I really need to do this cause there's something I need to find out and this is the way I can/will.

I find this subject very interesting, Out of curiousity who here has actually achieved AP using the OP technique?

All this sounds very similar to some of the things Sheldon Nidle talks about - And the way you are supposed to defend yourself is by emersing yourself into a shield of light and love, As wierd as it sounds.

It seems for me that concentrating on my breath and only my breath has a tranquelizing affect on me. Usually millions of thoughts go through my mind and I do not combat them. But if I slaughter all those thoughts and then lose concentration for even a second, its enough to put me to sleep because at that point my mind is actually clear.

I haven't had a chance to read all the posts, so if I'm re-addressing a previously discussed topic, please supply me with a link or post number. Thanks.

I don't know if anyone has ever experienced this, but during your very first OBE, did you get the feeling that it had happened to you before?

During my first OBE, I immediately realized that I was dead. (I was 16 years old and knew nothing of astral projection.) I became very concerned about how my mother would take the news. All the while, I was experiencing an awful feeling of deja vu, like I knew what had happened and what was going to happen. I knew that I could be in trouble. I knew that I was about to meet with someone in high authority of whom I feared a great deal. This fear was much like the fear a third-grader would feel after being told to meet with the principle. I knew that I couldn't just runaway.

Of course, I did not die and learned 9 years later that my experience was normal and world-wide. However, for every OBE that followed, I always assumed that I could possibly be dead.

Questions:

Is it possible for someone to recall memories or feelings of a previous after-life while experiencing an OBE in the present?

If so, do you think that this could be a reason why more people don't have OBEs, or why many stop having them after their first one? For example: a psychological roadblock caused by subconscious memories of a traumatic death in a previous life.

Thanks,
St Q

It is possible to recall memories and/or feelings of a previous after-life throe AP however i dont think that would be a problem tho.. but im not to sure.. have not read anything about it

BTW JeremiahGateFan at least you can clear your mind a little! i cant seem to do it at all

P.S i just got a funny idea lol how cool would it not be to have an online game where people could meet and talk about they`re experiences and also read about it throe library's and such

Also week 3 of the course is out now.. i have not got the time to look at it yet tho >_< but i will later and il update you guys if i find anything interesting

Out of curiosity i would ask what you wanted to find out but if it`s private then you dont have to post it


Hmm what is the OP technique?

BTW how u spell throe or.. throu... as in i went throe the forest

If I were to begin trying to achieve astral projection, where would I start?

Well as they said in the course, you should start out with relaxation techniques to be able to relax 100% then begin doing visualization techniques because these are the 2 most important things when it comes to having a fully conscious AP (except when you`re going throu a lucid dream i guess)

P.S the week 3 exercise is saying we should get 100% relaxed and concentrating on the heart beat when trying to project

yeah, its the one practice I've gotten right good at associated with metaphysics.

like a simulated world? their making something like that for wiccans complete with a college for taking online courses on a wiccan forum I recently joined. Maybe gnosticweb should do the same. That would be pretty cool.

Through, wierd spelling, I'm curious, obviously your multi-lingual, which for a non-american is no big accomplishment(I'm American so I'm allowed to say that), what all languages can you speak?

Im from norway so i speak norwegian and english.. mostly.. i can speak a little swedish as its almost like norwegian but nothing more then that

And yeah it would be so cool to have a simulated world with simulated courses, and this is actually not impossible to do, this might be really stupid but do you know of rpg maker xp? well it is possible to make online games with it even tho its limited.. the graphics wont be to good (LOOK HERE!) but im just looking for something to make just to test this "online scripts" thats being made (yes i have too much spear time right now)

I often use the "noclip" control command in PC games, such as Quake and Doom, in order to become virtually accustomed to the eeriness of flying and walking through walls.

Heh i remember doing this in doom it was really funny lol btw i think we`re going like a mile of topic

It's a technique that I use to help me overcome my fears of movement and travel while out of body, so no, it's not far off topic.

Another technique that I like to use is to look into two or more mirrors that are set at 45 degrees from one another, like those full-length dressing mirrors in department stores. This style or modification allows me to become accustomed to seeing myself from different angles. Normally, when I look into a mirror, I see myself looking back. Seeing my own physical body during an OBE is not the "strange" part. The strange part is seeing my own physical body while it is not looking back at me. This technique helps me to overcome my fears of seeing myself while out of body.

Techniques for staying out of the body can be just as important as getting out.

Oh i see well this is actually a good technique i think i will try doing the mirror thing, tnx

Guess that's my fault for posting it in the first place, sorry. It just feels good having a purpose when trying to AP, it makes it feel easier to do.
(Of course, whether or not I had a purpose to AP, I'd still be trying. It feels easier to accomplish knowing that there is determination involved with trying to AP.)

True..

I also think i should start trying to AP again.. i have been doing a technique to remember dreams lately and it has given some results, even tho i cant seem to wake up in dreams yet...

when you astral-travel, do you go to an imaginary place or the place actually exist, like can you go to neighbour's place ? also whats the worst scenario can happen as i heard people encounter negative entities (ghosts, demons etc).

thanks.

Welcome to UM !
As far as I'm sure, when you astral project, you are in the 'real world'. If you projected while in your bedroom then you would be in your bedroom (unless you're really good, then you could begin in different places) but generally, you could see real live events happening but there are also supposed to be certain things that can only be seen while projected.
As for the negative entities, it has been said that you should show them love and kindness etc. to send them away. As corny as it might sound, it won't seem that corny while on the Astral Plane so don't be afraid to do that if something does happen . But if you are not doing bad things while projecting, then there's very little chance you'll attract negative entities.
Hopefully someone else can explain it better for you because I'm not a great reliable source but I do what I can. .

I have never been to an imaginary place, although dreaming while out of body may constitute such a journey. All the places where I have been were places where I was currently located, had previously been, and one unconfirmed place where I had never been.

I have never encountered any entities other than people and animals. However, I have encountered several unidentified entities while experiencing a partial OBE (e.g., head still partially of fully integrated with physical). The majority of my partial OBEs was a result of forcing myself to wake up during a dream, which can carry "dream material" into the waking conscious mind. Although I consider these instances as possible hallucinations, the worst of these scenarios involved emotional, physical and/or astral rape, which may not be negative, depending on your point-of-view.

Whoa thanks for the replies guys.

Is OBE = Astral ? Im pretty religious person, does that effect me when doing Astral/OBE at all ?



Cheeers.

Yes, the out-of-body experience, abbreviated OBE and sometimes OOBE, is the same thing as astral projection, abbreviated AP. Astral projection is an older phrase used to describe the projection of the astral mind or body. The literal definition of astral means "starry".

Being a religious person is not a requirement for having OBEs, but I think it helps. I would imagine that for most non-religious people who have experienced an OBE, they would quickly find religion. Some religions were based on OBEs.

If you do encounter anyone, do what RedFFWolf suggested and greet them with love and kindness. If you make friends easily, you won't have a problem. But above all, don't worry yourself with negative thinking. Fear was my worst enemy.

the success for my astral projections are random, i have to wait till i get an episode of sleep paralysis and then project and focus my soul away from the physical body (since conscious is disconnected from the physical body during sp).

i hope to visit my dad in the astral realm. furthest i got from astral projecting is from my bedroom to the kitchen then i get pulled back.

being religious should help since i believe it strengthens ur spiritual side.

Sometimes when my mind is in a state of tranquility, and I allow astral projection, I can continuously have my 'astral vehicle' (my mind) in motion being attracted to a seemingly infinite amount of an electromagnetic force, not visible to the naked eye, but can for surely be experienced with the mind's eye of the participant entering the AP...With this electromagnetic attraction as a guide, I can attempt to unveil ideally the best of all possible planes of existance or understanding. Since two parallel mirrors can contain an infinite amount of all possible time-less parellel planes of existance, I can use these principles to initiate observing a conscious self-reflection, (just like if I create a light source toward one of the mirrors, I can see it travel through an infinite amount of parellel planes) by viewing my ageless soul via mind travel and also searching for self-perfections through as many parellel timeframes included in a seemingly infinite set of time as I can reach. The speed that my astral vehicle can travel is regulated by how dense and bright the projected visual guide of metaphysical particles is, that creates a sort of light because of the attraction between + and -. This energy can be stimulated at my physical mediumship so I can contract all this gained EM energy to a singularity of extremely hot and dense particles, and instead of exploding, my body travels a controlled path through the AP like lightning, at the speed of light or quicker, but experienced as fast or slow as desired, since you project outside of time.

I feel as if I am searching for the gateway to the most completely perfect utopian plane of existance ever thought into being through experiencing telekinesis with all of my thoughts being set into motion to travel as far as allowed according to the laws of the astral plane, if there even are any, which could be probable...The rate of kinetic energy at which I can transcend through and outside of the cosmos from rest is dependent on the increase in potential energy charged to the system that 'I' am in, by absorbing more physical EM radiation and research of ideas before projection. This charge occurs to your self-defining energy in a realm not of this world, between the EM attraction of positive and negative nuerons. Astral projecting is like electrically exciting my soul on an intricate path for motion of my consciousness through a nerve cell into several distant locations inside and outside throughout the known physical universe. At the instant of projection the increase of potential energy is transfered from the astral plane forcing kinetic energy into your now travelling astral body. So the more extensive the research done in any particular fields before leaving your body, the farther and faster you can wander around trying to find answers to any of your questions...Free thoughts and/or additions/expansions on anything previously proposed? Have fun unveiling the unknown!

Whats the easiest method available to astral traveling ? I have lucid dreams everytime i go to sleep, can i sort of switch it to OBE ? Sometimes (when i was younger mostly) also my dreams seemed real then i got frightened then somehow i felt that i fell down, and then woke up. What does that mean ?


Cheers.

The easiest method available is a drug-induced OBE, but I don't recommend it. No one method has proved reliable for everyone. What works best for one person, may not work for another. You have to first prepare yourself and then experiment with many different techniques. Some conditions that helped me to achieve spontaneous and dream-control OBEs were:

1. Working rotating shift-work, full-time
2. Attending college part-time
3. OBE Research
4. Vegetarian diet, no alcohol
5. Practicing yoga 30 minutes a day, 5 days a week
6. Abstinence from sex
7. Reading and practicing OBE techniques each night before going to sleep

I attribute stress, physical and mental exhaustion, diet, sobriety, meditation, study, and good health as a precursor to my OBEs, but I can't say that it will work for everyone. Of all the books that I read, Robert Monroe's "Journeys Out of the Body" was my favorite.

You can try willing or forcing yourself to wake up during a lucid dream, but of course, you first have to be aware that you're dreaming. Be advised that a highly hallucinatory state of mind, called the hypnopompic state, exists between dreaming and being fully awake. So if you see anything "weird", don't freak out.

Dreaming of falling and suddenly waking up from a quick jolt means that you could have been out of your physical body and then suddenly reintegrated.

Yes sometimes i try to "wake up" but my body feels heavy. Does that normal ? And yes i can feel that if i sucessfully wake up i would be like flying ?

And if i do see anything "weird", i will instantly go back to my body right ?

thanks.

If you mean that your dream body feels heavy, then yes, that is normal, but not something you want. This means that you are beginning to acquire voluntary motor function, which means that you're about to physically wake up. During the dream, you have to realize that your eyelids are actually shut, and that you "want" to see your room. If you have to do anything forcably, then concentrate only on forcing your eyelids to open. Once you learn dream control, you can will yourself to fly in the dream, and then will yourself to see. It takes practice.

Yes, any observation or sensation that causes you to become afraid, can instantaneously send you back.

Im sorry im a bit confused. So when you constantly having sleep paralysis, does that mean you a step closer from having OBE ?

Heh dude.. for what i know thats the easiest way there is... i have only doe it twice.. and both were from lucid dreams.. i cant have lucid dreams whenever i want but when i do i just think or want to AP and suddenly i feel im on my bed vibrating before suddenly everything feel a little strange.. i had the chance twice not long ago (in one night) but i was kind of scared cuz of my previous AP and i decided not to.. but if i could lucid dream every night im 100% sure i would be able to fully AP by now.. the point is that the first time i had a lucid dream after starting to read about AP i could just think "can i ap now?" and suddenly came the vibrations.. so if you can lucid dream whenever you want then you should try AP from it whenever you can!

EDIT: and yeah hgroem if you can have sleep paralysis whenever you want then AP will become a lot easier!

this is a realy long thread


i always see lights before i start a lucid dream or AP, i know they are created by my mind and its really cool.

i was also wondering about where you can go during ap, i tried to go to the moon once, so i started flying upwards but ended up floating in blackness, really scared...

The reason for floating into darkness was because you were trying to use an access point without a charge...in our physical mediumship located in the syzygy of a light source, a medium, and a reflector (the sun, Earth, and the moon respectively). The light source is composed of excited + particles, while the moon is - particles at rest...since you are attempting to astral project you want to be more attracted to the source of + energy...Understanding your biomechanical motor skills origin of energy and how it is allowed to operate physically can aid in a more vivid and powerful visual projection, and helps to show where to go to find this energy in the metaphysical realm that contains continuum mechanical forces that is transfered into your consciousness and out of your physical body...

cool thx for the info

is the earth neutral?