0ToInfinityAndBeyond0, how is it that you were able to achieve a 5-star profile rating before entering your first post? Just curious...

hmm...well when your consciousness is contained on the inside of the atmosphere, yes your simulation of the physical earth is nuetral, although I don't see why your nuetral consciousness cannot be energized by being exposed to this physical + and - attraction between EM energy...something like a solar panel...contracting this energy into a more compact, denser amount of potential energy to be used as kinetic energy. For example using this charged energy to force a spring to compress as far as possible, this spring could also represent your astral body, and with the release of this force used to compress the spring, your consciousness is excited into the AP instantly...

Hmm...I guess I was just lucky or something, no specific reason...

no need to rag on new members, it gives them the wrong impression!

0toinfinityandbeyond0, would that also mean that projecting takes energy that needs to be periodically restored?
im guessing it would be best to do it every other night or something

on the astral, to get back to the body we just simply will ourselves to back right ? what if we try hard still dont have the will i mean realleee

and also in the astral we can smell and touch things can we ?

In Betty Shine's Books... http://www.zitaglio.com/bettyshine/ Betty mentions that some of the people she sends healing to accasionaly can see her ( astral body??? )in their room when she is working on them.... she also mentioned that accasionaly she must be astral travelling in her sleep and working on some of those who have requested help... Explains how some people wake up tired... their astral bodies... could have been partying!!!! or ... or course.. doing good works.... !!!

Well second time i actually got out of my physical body i had a problem getting back... or rather i got back but not instantly, well i was iin a dream and suddenly thought "this is a dream i can try AP" and i felt vibrations, then later i heard a strange sound then i could not feel anything so i tried to get up (hard to move as i had no body lol) so i decided just to roll out of bed, then i started thinking and from nowhere came a scary thought from some random horror movie i saw the day before and i freaked out thinking i would probably attract something evil then i started feeling really scared and i tried to think about my body really hard and that i wanted to wake up and i totally freaked out for a little till i suddenly woke up with a giant jolt! well i got back tho... and negative entities can hurt you BUT the point is that i had a problem returning!

It`s probably nothing tho as i did get back eventually.. but it was still scary...

BTW: it was about 2 minutes after i wanted to wake up that i actually woke up!

haha dude it did occur to me many times actually (the thing is i didn see my own body nor my room) was i OBE or AP ? humm guess we should go "this is a dream i can try AP AND i wont be scared of nothing" should be OBE dont you think ? haha

Maybe i dont know... did you feel awake? or different from a dream?

I actually saw myself on the bed and i was in my room.. i know this was not a dream as it felt like i woke up with no body

LOL u edited the post when i wrote, anyway a lucid dream.. if i could get that whenever i wanted i would probably be further in AP cuz every time (4 times or so) that i have APed was from a dream where i just wanted to AP and i felt vibrations in a second

humm did you wake up on your feet and saw your body and stuff ?

OK IL STOP EDITING NOW!

well i woke up in bed.. i felt vibrations and when they stoped i tried to get up and i saw myself lying there thats when i decided to roll out LOL

LOL haha when im typing this i presume you still editing.

so you actually see yourlself on bed awesome stuff. definately OBE. i felt vibrations from sleep paralyses many times, i realized my body was sleeping but i was awake, but too scared to sort of wake up and see whats goin on

now im editing is there somekinda CD or Music to help with OBE / to speed up sleep paralyse ?

Heh il try not to edit to much, anyway i had a chacnce twice to AP tho but i decided not to for some reason.. and it was twice in one night.. i just suddenly woke up and the strangest thing happened, i could simply AP as easy as moving an arm! it felt so natural like i just did it.. and when i did, at once i felt the vibrations and i stopped.. i did this lots like doing it and stopping just to try and in the end i de3cided to go to sleep.. but for some reason i woke up like that again.. but this time it felt like something wanted me to AP as i felt vibrations several times when i wanted to stop they just started again but in the end i fell asleep.. dunno what this is but when i think back on it.. it feels like i sould have done it

LOL u edited your post exactly when i pushed reply so i just saw your edit LOL anyway yes there is... and i uploaded them in this topic... one sec il find the links again and post them here IN A NEW POST! so i wont edit LOL

here are the links to music that should help with AP:

New Age - Ethno - Asian - Meditation - Reiki Music - Walking through the Forest.mp3
Hemi-Sync - Waves Of Light - Alpha To Theta - Adventures Beyond The Body - Brian Paulson-William Buhlman - this is that song everyone was talking about that was supposed to be really good for AP!

if links dont work then tell me so i can reupload

the 2nd link aint working...

LOL now none of them work >_>

il check it out later i got to eat lol

which one is eating, your astral body or the physical one ?

My physical btw i need to reupload the music on megaupload or something like that lol if u want me to upload somewhere else il do that instead (not rapidshare tho rapidshare it plain anoying)

EDIT: yes i edited lol anyway i cant upload now cuz my computer is sloooooow but il do it when i can!

ahh already got it off P2P. thanks anyway.

Great recommendation! These songs, and many more like them, can also be downloaded from: http://www.lightin.net/music.htm

If you subscribe to cable or satellite TV, and it provides music or CD channels, you can tune your TV to listen to the "New Age" or "Soundscapes" station. Even if you don't AP, you'll have some fantastic dreams and wake up feeling refreshed. (I usually turn the brightness down on the TV beforehand.)

The Internet also has several radio station websites that play New Age and Soundscape genre 24/7.

Pandora allows you to create your own radio stations, but you have to supply the name of the artist(s), album(s) and/or song(s) that you want to hear.

Hey, Socrates I have always been interested in this but like a week ago some friends of my friend died in an accidente. So i got even more interested. I decided to give it a try because I do believe is possible since I can see auras.

I have been trying for about 3, 4 days? And using yout method I got some results. The firsts days I relaxed and felt like a jolt so i lost focus. But I got used to it. Well, yesterday I was feeling my body heavier and in one moment in my mind started to appear thoughts, or glimpses of memories. And then I feel like my body much lighter and didnt feef the pillow. I felt different but didnt try to move. Moments later I was in the sea with coral reefs and was cool, I though I was just imagining despite the fact I didnt feel like I was in bed. Anyway it was a short time because I then hear a voice who said: come on, daniel, we have to go. (well in spanish, because im mexican)

Then I felt my body "normal" and in my bed and I just opened my eyes. It was like a having a dream but I was conscious since the beginning. I have a question, when im relaxing and feeling my body tense, the two last times I attempted to astral travel, there was a moment I felt in middle of nowhere is that normal?

Another thing, can I visit my friend's friends? even if I dont know them? Well I would like to know. I will try tonight to visit my grandfather . Anyways I will tell her about astral travel I think she'll more luck than me since she has always been very extrasensorial.

Wow,its been a while since I have been on here . Guess I have to read another ten pages to catch up! Has anyone succeeded at APing yet?

I tried last night but ended up going to sleep, i think`body position has a lot to do with it, and i was on my side
oh well plenty more nights (knock on wood)!

Hey,if anyones interested in an ebook I found, you may download it here!

http://www.filefactory.com/file/c52de5/

Hope this helps!

Offtopic:Yay! 20 posts!

Wellcome back i downloaded the ebook but im to lazy to install anything to watch it in.. il do it later XD

btw u see all my posts? all in this topic LOL

Thanks!

How long can this topic go on until it has to many pages?!

Oh and I hope the ebook is helpful . Actually, I haven't really read it much myself.

I've been through hell I've finally had the chance to get back on here my mother passed a way 2 and a half months ago I had to move an throw some stuff away and everything I finally got settled in my new apartment.

Early yesterday morning around 4:45am I was having a vivid dream of my mother and this beautiful place we were in this lecture hall and the person that was giving this speech about how dump most of us humans are by not believing in life after death and that they've had at least 20 past lives I enjoyed that lecture I woke up paralyzed with those crazy sound sin my ear and all of those other sensations I was scared at first but then I remembered what it was I repositioned my self into a comfortable position and breathed slowly in and out with my eyes closed and I got the sensation to come back after a few moments I easily slipped out this time instead of floating to my ceiling like I always did I exited my body from my head and I found my self on the floor on my knees I crawled out of my bedroom my door was closed I went through the closed door and made it about 6 feet into the hall way for some reason I thought about my body that I finally did it with out sticking up to the top of the ceiling all of the time then I felt this pull a rubber band effect and instantaneously I was back into my body with mild vibrations my intention had been to go back to where y mother was in the lecture hall I'm trying again in a few minutes I can't wait until I master this.

It is truelly a great feeling, Good luck - I cant wait for the Day where AP is common knowledge and practice.

WHAAA?? some guy in my family (my mom`s dad lol dunno the word for it in english) is one of those too smart people... he built a UFO detector LOL an alarm goes off when something other then a plane or care is near.. ANYWAY he got a picture of a ufo from he`s kitchen last night its like a big fireball it looked really awesome

i know this was off topic but... who cares?

DELETED! THERES NO MORE HAMACHI NETWORK! -.- sry...

wow.. sry for all the off topic guys well the hamachi thing is not THAT off topic as you can join a AP network also i have not had to much success in AP the last few days.. im a little sick nothing serious only enough to make me cough when im about to relax so i cant relax 100% now lol.. have to wait till i get better

Sorry to hear that. That must have been rough.



That sounds cool! I haven't had any success yet but I'll keep on trying!

Brandon1499 wrote a message so it got a new page but i wrote a comment on the last page too just so you dont jump straight to the new page rofl

because hamachi is fun ^.^ <-- think im obsessed with new funny programs i get

That's incredible! I'm guessing that the alarm is triggered by a large and/or sudden change in the EMF field. If your mother's father (maternal grandfather) doesn't wish to pursue a patent, do you think that he would share his plans or blueprints?

I have an EMF meter that is designed to detect and measure EMF changes. (It doesn't measure EMF fields, only changes in EMF fields.) I wonder if I could bypass the batteries with an AC adapter and keep it on 24/7? It was designed specifically to detect the presence and/or movements of ghosts, but it should work for most anomalies, including UFOs and uninvited astral projectionists.

not to go to much of topic but i just felt like sharing some stuff well my grandfather to say it like that is REALLY smart he actually built that machine from scratch and he has made some radar equipment for the military before BUT he KNOWS how to make a ufo he tried to explain something to me but i was like "errr.. the hypo what? electro what?" etc.. well.. say it like this he can make a machine capable of flying REALLY fast straight up with no use of fuel BUT he`s scared of how everyone would misuse these things in war etc... so he have no plans on going public with it what so ever.. though it would not be a 100% stable ufo or anything but he knows the basic about how to build one! i hope to one day get the blueprints for it tho.. im sure he must have wrote it down somewhere

hard to explain as im not really english but you know those machines they have in hospitals? showing your heart beat or something... shows a little screen with a line and makes bip sounds lol

anyway thats how the detector looks like and sometimes if a UFO flies over or anything like that it shows a pattern and sounds the alarm in 2001 for about 6 months he had 5-7 alarms a day but now its very rare.... anyway i might get the pictures to my compute and i could upload them.... of that ufo that is... but i guess we should not go this much off topic...

EDIT: and i dont think he will show how to make the detector either... but i will ask if he could get me one ^.^

Oh well... it doesn't hurt to ask. Still, I would love to see the photo. You could always post it under the UFO forum.

Some great ideas come from off-topic discussions. I'm going to keep my EMF meter on my nightstand or dresser, away from any electrical wires and devices. If I bypass the batteries with an AC adapter, I'll need to shield the adapter wire. The volume control is adjustable. If I set the volume low and can hear it increase during an AP attempt, then I don't have to rely on vision to confirm an AP. I could then use it as a bio-feedback device. The closer I get, the louder it gets. The further away I get, the softer it gets, thereby making me try harder to make it louder... and I don't have to force the visual aspect of the AP while training this way. That is, if it is sensitive enough to pick up my movements. If it does work, I'll let you know. Thanks for the inspiration. I'd be very surprised if OBE research institutions have not used this method before.

I know something about aliens thats related to AP tho so this wont be to off topic, there was an interview with a guy saying he worked at area 51 we could not see hes face or hear hes actual voice but he said there has been lots of these "interviews" as he called it with actual aliens the thing is that they could not understand much of what the aliens said (they talked telepathicly witch makes it harder to understand) but the aliens said that our body`s are only vessels or transports for the soul witch made scientists believe that some "ufos" are capable of moving through other dimensions and that aliens come from other dimensions! theres more to this story tho.. but... that would be too off topic.. think i might join the ufo topic or make my own topic but the question is IF aliens are capable of using crafts to go through dimensions... can we do the same? take something physical into the astral? i dunno if it`s even the astral dimension they were talking about... just a thought

Yes, I've heard about this before. Many UFO abduction cases sound a lot like astral or soul abductions, instead of physical abductions. For example, aliens walking through walls and their victims floating through closed windows.

I've always felt that there have been close ties between AP, UFOs, and reincarnation. It's hard to read about or discuss any one of these without bringing up one of the others. I think Shirley McLain recognized that they all had something in common.

As far as using physical vessels to travel from one dimension to another, you might say that it's already been done or attempted during the Philadelphia Experiment. Maybe UFOs are actually biological entities, just as many ufologists have speculated, and the ships are projecting too, along with their crews.

Well that would also be weird cause if the ship projected then it would probably have a soul and.. that would be weird like.. who builds a ship with a soul? anyway it is possible but if a ufo would project the ship would still physically be floating around.. then you might start to wonder.. where was it built? and stuff like that... well i dont think we know enough about the astral to know everything thats possible there.. but to bring a solid object? and what about the other higher dimensions? well i have no idea....

P.S if we project to the astral and find some aliens we could ask

Aliens using astral projection to travel to different dimensions!?
Well I guess that would explain alot!

Well thing is that some scientists believe that aliens travel through dimensions using ufos! but then it would be either taking something physical into the other dimensions (astral maybe?) or to make the physical material unphysical... but im not really sure...

wonder if i should join the ufo topics XD but then il ruin my perfect over 100 posts on the same topic thing and its still funny

Oh,okay.



And we wouldn't want that to happen...

haha true.. well after i saw those pictures my grandfather took of that ufo im totally obsessed with it im trying to find out about how far it was from the camra as it looked like it was about to land.. il spend the night over there sometime i think.. i think thats a great chance to try AP too out in nature with possible alien activity if they are aliens out there then maybe they help me project well at least i think it might be good with fresh air and relaxing sounds like birds and wind... might just help a little

errr.. that is.. if i actually spend the night out there alone dunno if il really do it

Sounds like a good enviroment to AP in! Oh and don't get yourself abducted or anything!

By the way, whats a hamachi?!

its a program that makes it possible to create a LAN over a normal network.. means you can chat, share files or play LAN games... i made a network mostly for chat tho if anyone would want to join

You've given me good inspiration Brandon1499! With summer coming up, I can try Project while sleeping in the tent out in the back garden. It would be a great environment listening to the relaxing sounds. (As long as there aren't many drinkers outside or cars zooming up or down!) (Or a mad storm for that matter...still would be good anyway).

think i might do this a few times in the forest with maybe a couple of my friends they always fall asleep before me so they wont make too much noise

Hi, Im new and stuff

I've been evil and stalking this topic for quite a while before I actually signed up.

Anyway, I've been having trouble projecting. I take some warm tea to help me sleep (at my age, I dont wanna sleep), and I relax myself, all that stuff, ect, but I have trouble focusing to get myself onto the astral plane. I can concentrate on the technique, it's just that I have a short intension span and I cant focus on one thing too long. I want to project really bad, but I just cant focus! I've gotten as far as to feel the pulse all over my body, I've felt that sinking feeling, and people calling my name.. but no farther because I loose concentration after that.


(The first time I heard someone call my name, it sounded like my uncle, I sat up and yelled "WHAT?!" )

I've been having the same trouble too and i've been trying for a few months now . So what i'm going to do is start trying to remember my dreams (because what's the point to AP if u can't remember it). Then i'll start trying to lucid dream. Then once i get the hang of lucid dreaming, i'll AP from a lucid dream.

On the side note: When i try to lucid dream/AP everyone tells me to sleep on my back, but when i do that salyva always chokes me up and it's really uncomfortible . Any help on this or should i lay on my side or stomach?

Heh i dont think lying on your back will help you lucid dream thats only better if you try to AP or thats what people say.. but i agree lucid dreams is probably the easiest way to AP! one technique for remembering dreams from that AP course thing is when you wake up in the morning you lie still dont move at all because then you will be 100% relaxed and your astral body will be more loose from your physical, have you ever remembered a dream when you wake up? but you forget it after maybe an hour? thats because when you wake up your astral body is loose and closer to where the dream took place so if you dont move at all and try to remember the last image you saw from your dream.. then try to see what happened before that and before that until you remember the whole dream, i use this technique and its working, im remembering dreams a lot more now then i did bofore you should try this out, only thing is that it`s hard not to move when you wake up

Does anyone here find it a possibility to be so used to your daily repetitive routine that you continue that routine but your self-awareness is not watching yourself do it any longer, but is somewhere else inside my mind, while awake? It's like when I'm awake, my astral body goes with my physical body everywhere I go to and further...So I just consciously have my mind inhabit the astral one...

hmm Edit: why or why not?