Light Trance
Full Trance
Deep Trance

There are different sensations in each state and different vibrations, you will notice the vibes stronger in a full trance. When you get into a deep trance its very important to be aware cause you can easly fall asleep. Your body is at it most relaxed in a deep trance.

Also entering the trance state requites 3 things: deep physical relaxation, a clear mind, and a mental technique.

The same thing happened to me with that type of entitie, its all in your head.... When your in a trance state your fears come alive and its almost like they're trying to stop you from going any further (projecting). You need to ignor them and focus on relaxing, they will go away.

I'll keep on trying.

Hmm that might explain why grim reaper appeared to me in this so called trance state i am affraid of a long painfull death . Also why can i hear voices calling me when im fully awake and off trance? The voices arent scary actually a nice female voice .



I will too can i ask you what is your technique?

EDIT:Damm i cant spell good in english .

Have fun in your fantasy world.

Have fun in your fantasy world.

Yah i know it`s easy from lucid dream as i did make it once.. felt like i was wide awake but did not last to long, anyway i like doing it in the morning like i wake up i just dont move and all of a sudden i can get the vibrations but not a lot further then that i might be trying to hard lol as i REALLY need to do this lol but still i need more practice and il try what you wrote too (about going into a trance) tnx for this


W00TS th4t supp0sed t0 m3an m4h unb3l1eving fr13nd?

Why dont you try it for yourself?

Yeah, we all gang up on the bad guy...hey, looks like fun...*gangs up with the rest of them*

You just don't believe, do you, Mr. Banna Peel? You shoould try it, so you don't slip up on yourself.



I use the willpower method. Or elf sleeping.

I've gone through the first 10 pages or so of this thread and I'm curious to know more about astral projection and the experiences related with it.

1) What would happen if someone, say my mom, tried to wake up while you are astral projecting yourself? Will it be like just waking up any on any other day?

2) What if someone is trying to awaken my physical self, while I'm astral projecting, and I refuse to get back? Is this possible to achieve?

1.Yep
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2.You astral body gets back in you physical body when the physical body is being awoken

Can i achieve astral projection by visualizing an object like a ball or an eye? I heard if you visualize an eye you can achieve sight without sight state.

The voices can either be made up in your mind or they're noises from the astral plane.

It'll happen, you just need to have a clear, aware mind and relax.

You just wake up... Have you ever woke up startled? Where you feel a jolt? Everybody astral project when they sleep, it remembering it after the fact (not a dream).

They say if you visualize a round orb like object 3 feet infront of your head that you can slip out. I tried and it didn't work but it may work for certain people, what works for me may not work for others and vise versa...

Just tried to project i usually focus on the sound in my head to get me in this trance thing so after awhile i can hear someone singing and stuff and then it happened the entity stuff again those "things" walk up to me and keep yelling my name right into my ear with the "poping" sounds!

Don't focus on the noises, thats why thats happening.... When you transition into a trance state you need to have a clear mind and be relaxed, focus on the noises and they will only get worse and manifest into these made up images in your mind that hinder your focus.

You notice I keep saying RELAX. If you ever want to project you need to have a clear mind and your body need to be 100% relaxed.

Ya know something else, lots of people who actually study this stuff day in and day out say not to use any of them CDs, "Astral Projection CDs" but man I'll tell ya for me I fall into the trance state in a matter of a few minutes when my headphones are on and one of them CDs. You get all the astral symptoms so quickly, well atleast I do.... Lol its not recommended tho!

Tried projecting with those tips you gave me (Relaxo Expresso) and after awhile i felt incredibly light only felt my head it was incredible!

I'll bet. I used to have really real dreams of flying over head of my friends and laughing for joy. Kind of like Peter Pan...

You'll get it, if you notice yourself getting stuck and only able to get so far try it sitting up. The position from what I read can make all the difference.... Lol if someon read this and didn't know what I was talking about would get a good laugh.......

This made my day!

Got the floating felling first time

How about no, i'm not gullible.

Translation:
I have no mental strength or stamina, and expect instant results.


Anyway...

Would learning to Lucid Dream somehow help with AP? Like, if you figure that you're lucid, you could effectively practice the technique loads before you wake up

I heard that when your lucid you can somehow achieve astral projection

Translation: Astral projection,lucid dreams and psi effects don't exist.

That has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Lucid dreaming doesn't exist? That's like saying people never dream.

Translation: I, myself, have not experienced anything other than what I have been exposed to in the materialistic world...

Here's an AP technique that you can attempt that popped up into my head a few days ago only to come to the realization that there is most likely laws or limitations to the astral plane which apply to anyone entering such a realm...For this example, I am going to make the assumption that your place of residence has a front and back entrance, if not it really isn't of that much importance since once you enter the astral plane you won't be held back by walls that are in the physical plane...Let's say you are laying comfortably in your bed in your room meditating to relax your mind to be able to have complete control of your consciousness...Once you feel as though you have acheived a state of mind to begin attempting to leave your body, begin to imagine that your consciousness is in between the front and rear of your house...After you feel comfortable with your mind's location that is being concentrated on, attempt to travel out the front and back of the house instantaneously, or at the same time...At this point, you may have brought to your attention that your consciousness can only travel in one direction at a time...Instead of travelling in a single determined direction, I would think that if it were possible to expand your consciousness in all directions at once, then the results of awareness that you could potentially gain would be on a much larger scale...Any thoughts regarding this idea?

Thanks for the translation im beginning to get a little rusty at closemindish


This sounds pretty interesting, im not good at meditation and stuff like that (im trying to learn how to go into a trance) but i feel i can relax pretty much so i might just try this... but it does sound like a good technique, tnx

also just commenting on a post i forgot who wrote (to lazy to check ) lol anyway someone posted they concentrated on the sound they thats constantly in our head lol anyway when i do that lying relaxed in bed it sounds different.. like it`s changing tone and getting louder and weaker but whenever i notice this it goes back to normal... does this mean anything at all? it gives me a weird feeling too.... just wanna know...

also the astral projection course has been shortened to 8 weeks.. means all videos are out.. not got the time to upload them right now (sorry) but i will... also in about 2 weeks u can sign up yourself if u want to (know a lot of people missed it) i myself did just not have the time to follow all of it but as i have the videos i can always check them any time

anyway good luck with all your practices and projecting IT`S 3:27AM AND IM IN A GOOD MOOD!! WEEEE~ <-- no im not drunk or high im simply a little hyper lol

btw that banana song in that guy`s sig... will give me nightmares...

Why come in here and ruin the thread? You have no knowledge about the subject so why comment? Google it do some research and learn, if you don't care then don't read the post or comment, well unless it makes you feel big about yourself to comment about something you don't understand!

Totally agree... maybe i should create a google browser would be a window opening and it would show google (for those who dont understand how to open it the normal way )

Anyway it`s 4:11AM and im going to bed.... so much for the 4 in the morning technique anyway wish ya all luck.. again

Also another quick question... the technique about visualizing an object in front of you like a ball.. i though it was just a technique to keep ur mind focused on something so it would not fall asleep with the body? i may be wrong...

I agree, at the time it was definitely something that caught my attention as being pretty interesting...I would personally suggest for you to keep working on the meditation, for it will allow you to search deeper within yourself to reveal questions that you never even thought of before and also will help give you insight on how to reach your desired tranced state of mind more effectively...Relaxation definitely plays a major role in acheiving any meditative or tranced state and is probably almost required to give anyone the ability to astral travel...

I do recall someone mentioning something in reference to this constant inaudible sound...Which is most likely the sound created by the frequency at which all atomic matter vibrates...It's quite possible that you are manipulating the sound waves entering your mind to affect the tone by speeding it up or slowing it down, which would account for it getting louder or the opposite...Any sound waves can be used to effect your state of mind, but may I recommend actually using a source of music (any kind really), which aids to invoke the desired effects in your body temperature, blood pressure, and heart rate. With the 'right' music, initiating astral projection would be much easier in my honest opinion...Music has been shown to create new neuropathways for neurons to travel, release endorphins and also has effects on other energy producing constituents of the body such as emotional and memory cells, which I believe has much to do with actual astral projection itself...Especially the nervous system, because if you think about it all of your electric nerve impulses travel through the nervous system via neurons to transmit information across relatively distant locations throughout the brain...Now to apply this to astral projection, if it was a possibility that the universe itself was a portion of a theoretical supreme beings brain, and your individual brain was just a neuron to contain information needed in this larger brain, then if you were able to somehow mentally exploit the electrically excitable membrane of this neuron (in this example, your brain), then you could initiate a sort of synaptic transmission, although not exactly this kind of transmission because you wouldn't be transferring anything between other nuerons (other peoples brains in this case), but instead between the whole supreme beings brain itself. And by doing so you are capable of travelling across relatively distant locations throughout the universe...Also in my last post, I mentioned that you cannot travel more paths than one at a time, although it could be possible since when you look at neurons travelling/transmitting through a nerve cell, you can see that there are many paths that a certain neuron could take...So I really am not too sure exactly about the specifics of astral projection at the time, but I will say that it is most definitely something worthy of endeavoring!

My apologies that the above might not be as grammatically correct as it could be, but it is something I have been pondering over and over for awhile now and decided to just throw the major gist of it all out there as best as I could at the time...I do believe that this theory could very well be expanded and elaborated on in almost every aspect included, but must require much research in neuroscience beforehand, which I don't really obtain in detail as of it yet...So tell me what comes to mind after reading all this!

Thanks for the good luck wish, the same goes for you!

Lol and glad to hear you are in such a good mood and have all this energy and all while still being sober! Props to you, bro! Keep it up, any other way to be would just be a waste of time!

Haha and yes banana man's sig is also somewhat disturbing, I agree!!

I use that sound all the time mainly for backup visualize yourself climbing a rope and at the same time listen to the sound i think it really helps !

P.S : The banana song was funny but strange

Well im no expert (dont know much about the brain lol) but it does sound interesting and somewhat logical, well i think u should make a new topic about this new theory and see what other people have to say about it cause this is indeed interesting sorry i cant really say much about this now

also about the trance thing, i dont really get much time to practice it as im always doing something and when im not there is always someone or something being annoying lol i mean if i sit down and try to clear my mind i start hearing stuff like maybe a bird or something and then all of a sudden i start thinking about that bird or i can hear something else and think it`s really annoying so.. i dunno i guess i need a more quiet place to practice stuff like that


Hmm il try that tonight.. i mean i dont get a lot of AP experiences lately... Not when i want to anyway, so im gonna test every single (not to hard) technique i find and see witch one gives the best results for me

Also last night i was really relaxed and i started concentrating on thet tone in my head and i started visualizing myself sinking slowly down into my bead and after a little the tone started to fade.. nothing more but it is the first time i could not hear it at all... anyone wanna guess what randomness happened next... ? I STARTED THINKING ABOUT THE BANANA SONG!!! and the tone came back and i was absolutely not concentrated at all and so i decided just to go to sleep lol

btw this forum is really growing

I also noticed that when i try to project in a quiet place i enter vibrational state in like 30 seconds and in a noisy place it take a few minutes. I also noticed that when im in lightness state i can see with my eyes closed and when if i stand up i can walk with my eyes closed and still be able to see as long as i keep my focus. Totally agree on banana song when think of it i cant get it out of my head !

Well, at least it's not Barbie Girl! Yech!

That sounds pretty cool, being able to see with your eyes closed.

That would be even worse

PS: Is my new avatar good ?

Honestly, I wouldn't even know where to begin to explain this theory, because even though it may seem absolutely plausible and even logically possible, it begins with the unproven premise that the universe is a higher powers brain, which is, at this point in time, an unqualified assertion. In this situation, every point I made that follows this premise would practically be moot until proven otherwise, but this in no way means that I won't be attempting to expand this theory under the assumption that this premise is true...So I'm thinking I'll just leave it here until I possibly discover anything that can be used even remotely as evidence to support such a theory...

Under this premise, humans would merely be physical components of God's brain, so I am theorizing that once astral projection occurs, is when a person initiates mental excitation of their consciousness out of the physical brain into a higher, metaphysical plane of existance, or into the mind of God or even into the collective unconsciousness, whatever you would like to call it...This would be a great reason as to why most people cannot see/experience the astral plane any or at all times; everything included inside of our brains is physical, although all that our brain is required to be composed of also allows for a higher, more powerful mental plane (the mind or soul) that can be explored within, yet beyond the physical...Most people do not have the mechanics or understanding of the mind or astral plane or God or of even meditation to be able to concentrate on exciting their consciousness to a higher plane of existence, so they only experience all other physical components they interact with in the brain that they are contained in...Until they can realize that everything they see is only the physical, then maybe they can begin on trying to understand the realm beyond just the physical, or the realm of ENERGY that is unseen by the naked eye, that is also the cause that accounts for all the forced motion of everything that you can see in the realm of the physical, which is the effect...Well anyways, I kinda got off on a tangent there for a minute, I really should recollect all the information provided regarding astral travel and begin to collaborate much more precisely, what it is and how to be capable of acheiving it, instead of just explaining the conclusion that I had come to from all of my previous experiences and knowledge on the subject...Although, all I'm really trying to do is attempt to open minds to the possibility of experiencing planes of existence other than the physical...Only God knows what kind of results could be reached if other minds could see the unseeable...

Yes, I really do enjoy discussing topics such as these, so just hopefully this forum will continue it's path of growth of ideas and theories to a level beyond all expectations!

Wow thats a very interesting theory but does akashic records fit with this theory?

Been trying since the last couple of nights. Hasn't worked this far. Maybe because I have a very short attention span on focusing on something, concentrating, ah... whatever. I guess I just have to keep on trying.

In the few days i noticed that the main problems are that either i dont relax enough you must b3 100% relaxed or i dont keep the focus on and get myself disturbed by all these astral travel symptoms

Okay i just though i should mention that i have updated my site and added all the astral travel course videos (yes all of them) it got shortened to 8 weeks instead of 9.. anyway check it out if anyone want i know people wanted this My Site

Also i found out that every time i try to relax now when im laying on my back.. it feels as if im about to swallow my tung.. or something.. i mean it gets hard to breath if im relaxing 100% lol anyone else knows about this?

I get this too, you relax so much that the back of your tongue is actually moving down a bit. I only find it difficult to breath when I feel like I'm about to project because I actually stop myself breathing. (If I ever go for a quick bretah, it feels like I've ruined my chance) That's why it's good to focus on your breathing first and relax it by going into a familiar pattern with it.
At least I'll start having the time to try this probably again now because my exams are finished tomorrow with Home Economics. Then I can try in the mornings which was when I had my first AP.

Now that I think about it, when someone here mentioned that it's easy to relax after falling asleep and waking back up, I realise that the vibrations that were described is actually what I've been doing for years. I've just never projected because I never knew about it as I was so young. At least this means I'm well used to the feeling and I managed to use one of them as a time to project but only now I realised that I was close to doing it heaps of times in the past. Although sometimes I'd 'lose' myself to it where it felt like I was dreaming but I knew I was awake. My body felt weird and I was seeing strange things but they were good. It wasn't lucid dreaming though and the place I was "in" was not my bedroom anyway to say the least.

All I can say is if you have problems laying on your back and relaxing use a different position. Laying on your back isn't for everyone, the seated position seems to work the best...

Well i usually try this at night when im going to bed... dont like sleeping in a chair or anything.. but im gona try this in the day too maybe tomorrow as il be home alone so there wont be too much stuff going on around me, im also trying to see auras because i read about it and i think i can already see some auras.. i always wondered because when i look at someone for a long time in one spot without blinking or anything i can see a weak white light forming around them witch i read is actually a sign of the aura or something.. in other words if i keep practicing this i might soon be able to see different colors and see it more clearly witch is the auras.. im not sure if this will help me in AP but as i find this quite easy to learn i thought why not? so.. will this have any effects on my APing? if i could see auras i mean?

EDIT: holy crap... i mean i know for a fact u can melt chocolate in a microwave but... NEVER EVER do it with swedish chocolate.... why you ask? cause it will go boom! ya i actually did it and it said boom and it`s smoke all around my house now LOL the microwave is fine though it was the chocolate that went boom Oo

P.S i always knew swedish candy was radioactive.....

Read the book, Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce.... , theirs everything you need to know!

i too practiced auras but now i can only see a weak white light




You can find that book in sephiroths site !

Ok this is weird i always fell vibrations! i always fell them in legs and i begin to fell whem in my hands when im practicing kinesis whats hapenning to me?

P S: Hmm i could use that chocolate as explosions

EDIT: Grammar (im siting near another computer which doesnt check my grammar )

Okay so i finally got around to find some techniques for clearing my mind as it is my biggest problem in everything lol and i found one saying i can try listening to music without thinking about it only experience it while trying not to think and its actually working better then i expected.. anyway i was wondering.. do you have to clear your mind to do the techniques that says you have to so you can visualize something after? or can you skip right to the visualizing? cause i cant really clear my mind yet but i can (at least better) focus on one thing like for example floating out of my body.. im not sure if u understood that but im gonna listen to music and try to clear my mind as i feel it might just help me

The same thing happens to me when i try to ap when sleeping on a chair with my head leaning back. It feels like.......uhhhh....... my throat shrinks and dries up, making it really uncomfortable to breath. Also, if i try to ap on my back, my salyva chokes me up and gets really uncomfortable, too. When i try on my side, i fall asleep too fast. lol.

Dang, you guys posted a lot of posts since the last time i checked. Expecialy toinfinityandbeond. That`s an intresting theory. Could be worth doing more reasearch about or make a new topic like sephiroth said.

A few pages ago, i saw the relaxo expresso (i think that`s what it`s called) and was wondering what is it.

It`s been really hard to ap lately here in japan because it`s the raining season. So at night, i hear: drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, drip, and it really annoyes me after a while . I checked the magezines over here(can`t really read it) and i didn`t see anything about an AP teacher, but if i find one, i`ll be sure to post what he taught me .

I had this wierd experience this moning. I was dreaming, then i heard my host mother(I`m staying with a host family so i don`t have to pay for a hotel and breakfast )call my name. She told me to wake up so i did. I checked the time and it was 9:10 in the morning. I then layed back down on my bed because i was really tired. I closed my eyes for a few seconds, and then i found my self back in bed. I looked at the clock and it was 9:06. I was still really tired, so i layed down again, but i couln`t go back to sleep. Then my host mother called my name and told me to wake up again at 9:10. Sorry, it`s kind of hard to explain and i really hate using this keyboard, sooooo...... yeah..... It was kind of wierd.

A similar thing happens to me when the room is really dark, but there is enough light to beable to look around. When i stare at a picture or a statue for a few seconds, i`ll see the person in the picture or the statue move. Then when i blink, it goes back to normal.