Sounds to me you are talking about your experiences from an online game and not astral projection...



More faeces. I doubt there are any advanced "Psions" or anything of the magnitute you describe (if at all). Most individuals wthat show remarkable intuition seem to have some conscious input but very little control over their alleged abilities. My guess is your sources are comic books and tv shows becaue the demon "buffy the slayer talk" gives that away.

Spare us the imaginary talk guys and speak about your experiences without the added spice.

www.psionline.org

go there, make a post asking about the dangers of astral projecting and see feedback you get.

Im not saying you shouldnt do it. Im saying to keep aware of everyhitng that happens.

Ok tried this 3 times so far. Really interested in learning this.

First try I was feeling numb and eyes flickered, but i noticed i was trying to pull myself up .

Second try was on the roof, didn't work out so well. Fell asleep though .

Third try I got something new, I was on the edge of sleeping. My body was numb and all the sounds died out. Didn't really notice it until my left arm shook hard and hit the side of my bed. Anyone know what happened here?

Always question the credibility of an internet forum. That includes Unexplained-Mysteries. Books and teachers are the best sources of information. Remember the old saying, "When the student is ready, the teacher will appear". I suppose you've never had a real teacher on this subject before, so it leads me to believe you are not ready.

I think alot of questions will be answered after visiting this website:

http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?BoardID=65

Robert Bruce really sounds like he knows his stuff If you're interested in astral projecting you HAVE TO CHECK THIS SITE OUT! Robert speaks on astral entities, good astral projection and relaxation techniques (which I have been using), and of stuff you haven't even heard about. Also, I have not yet mastered astral projection so don't ask please.

below are interesting articles...can we use these drugs as an alternative method for astral projection? and does the dimension experienced from using these drugs are the same with astral dimension discussed in this forum?



http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/r...project_1.shtml

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_writings2.shtml

I might have to try this..

Yes justify drug habits now by using astral projection as an excuse...marvelous !!!!

Ive never used drugs, well apart from alcohol and over the counter stuff, but i wouldn't class Halucinogens as a drug habit, i understand that their used willy nilly by some, but others using them are looking for answers, on a mission you could say, to find out more, Halucinogens have been used for a very long time by Shamen people in places like south america and such, if the talk was of injecting heroin then i can understand it being classed as a drug habit as we all know that very few individuals can use Opium based substances without becoming very dependant on them.

Ah cmon man, don't be too sarcastic we are not talking about using drugs for fun here, consider the shaman from amazon tribe who have hundred of years old cultural experience in the ancient hallucinogenic ayahuasca ritual. It is said ayahuasca allows the shaman to enter other dimensions where complicated healings, shamanic battles, clairvoyance, initiations, ancestral knowledge exchange and communications with the plant, animal and spirit world is possible.The ayahuasca ritual involves the drinking of a combination of two hallucinogenic plants in the presence of a trained shaman.

http://people.tribe.net/gimpilator/blog&to...a1-7da820b82575

IMO the point is...theres a big differences in the motives behind "drug habit" of modern age with the ancient age...while the ancient people know the true purpose of using these substances, we just knew it as another stuff to get the party goes on all night

expression: have you ever consider to try experimenting with hallucinogenic drugs?

Socrates, do you know what the diffrence is between ASTRAL and ASCENDEND.

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Sometimes I have weird feelings when I am trying to sleep at night. I often get a 'jolt' what you call. Last night I had two times of this jolts in a short period of time.
Is this ASTRAL? Don't ask me to try it because I am afraid to be stucked in that plane. I have a lot of beautiful things to do in the physical world!

Hey, You most likely already said this but If yor In the astral plain can you If you want to be seen by those that are awake. Also I read how you can sometimes project when you are still awake, but that it's rare. Well I think it happened to me one time. I was running down the street when I felt a jolt in my chest and no longer felt my feet hitting the ground, and then everything was the same again but I had this nasty pain in my chest. What does that mean

The amazon tribe have no advanced medical science to understand what hallucinogens really do. They are impressionable people who would consider most things to be "magical" in the modern world. Unfortunately you are doing no better than the natives of those tribes it would seem. Please read some biology and come back to discuss this if you must. Not before.

It seems you don't get my point...let me make it a clearer picture :

1."...justify drug habits now by using astral projection as an excuse..."
2."...we are not talking about using drugs for fun here..."
example ---> the amazon tribes

By the way, What biology had to do with this?? study about other culture (may it be viewed from modern or "magical" perspective) is in the field of anthropology.Maybe you should learn more before.....euh forget it....this is just a simple misunderstanding, judging from your writing i'm sure you are a smart person, very open minded with other people opinion and truly wise in life experience then...my mistake, i'm just a fool trying to learn new things here

Okay back to the topic...anybody know the possibility to use these substances for astral travel?

Chemical substances like hallucinogens can affect the perception of your senses and your cognitive abilities to the point of impairment. That is where biology comes into play. In order to facilitate a drug induced "trip" you need to be aware of why it produces those effects and how credible are the experience deriving from it.

In short I believe that no hallucinogen will help you astral project, because it will only distort your ability to percieve the environment and not "free" your conscious as such.

Anthropological studies only focus on understanding the cultural impact of hallucinogens for historical value. Same as with the witches of the middle age that got killed simply because they were affected by the fungus Ergot (and not because they were actually possesed or did magic) simply points out how a very natural phenomenon can be misinterpeted into a metaphysical event.

I see, so this mean the dimension experienced from using these hallucinogenic substances is different with the dimension in astral project.

I could not have said it better, sometimes I wonder why people even bother joining discussion forums if they just want to be downers. There is plenty of brainwashing going on in the world, it is not done here however. We all choose to do as we please.
Love and light,
Denise.

So to become opposed to world brainwashing, we should all start trying drugs so that we can be cool....

I dont think so...you are more mainstream that you give yourself credit.

Hallucinogens can have all sorts of uses. Opium can restore memories.

Ok , Hi everyone , this is my first post . I'm 14 this year and I live in Singapore . I , like you guys , are intrested in these kind of ' things ' . I have read about Astral Travel but never really tried it . I read from page 1 to 15 . It sounds fun and all and I really want to try it tonight . The problem is , if I suceed , I'm afraid that some " sprit " will come and do something mischevious to me . Or the " future wind " may come and blow me away , and worst to worst, it may be bad .( Maybe * touchwood * like my friend is going to get knocked down by a car or my very important item may gt stolen . Or even my friend got killed in a car accident ... ) I really really really wanna try these thing and experience sth new but ... as stated earlier , I'm afraid of

1) A mischevious ' sprit ' ,

2) 'Future wind' may show me a bad sign .

Please ... help .

Hey there everyone,

I'm pleased to see my thread is still going. I have been away for quite a while but am now able to answer any questions you might have. I am quite experienced when it comes to the astral and related topics so I hope I can be of some help.

Help me ~~ ( Please refer to my earlier reply . )

Well perhaps you can? I have been meditating lately, with the intention of astral projecting consciously, when I stare at one spot for a long time I start to see the room wobble, like it is in a heat haze. And like I am perceiving thing from another perspective, moreover, when standing still sometimes, I'm now aware of a kind of giddy feeling, like I am trying to come free from myself. This happens when I focus a little. What I want to know is, is this unusual, are there any dangers that I should be aware of and if so how can I circumvent them? What also would you recommend for concious projection? Thanks!

Hey there,

You don't need to worry about mischevious spirits. They can't do you any harm and operate on a very low vibrational frequency so their manifestation is weak. They are low, unintelligent beings.

I have never heard of this 'future wind' you speak of. But in short you're afraid you'll see the future and it will reveal something bad? If such a thing happened to me, I would be grateful, because I would be given time to 'brace myself' for the bad thing about to happen. Don't you think?

Hey there,

Not unusual at all. I am all too familiar with the 'giddy' feeling you described. It actually gets quite annoying.

There are no dangers you need to be aware of; just stay positive and do not astral travel with negative intentions.

The key to conscious projection is the complete relaxation of the body and mind. Master it!

Thanks for the answers and reply

Ther's still another question I have to ask , what do you mean by " negative intension " ?

Will I be punished if I used astral travelling to like let's say ... taking a peek at my school maths test paper ?

Hey Socrates, good to see you posting again.

I have a quick question: How long would you say it takes a begining meditator to achieve astral projection. How long did it take you?

I think I just projected!, I was dreaming and my boss fired me and I yelled "you can't fire me, this is just a dream!" the next thing I new there was a blinding flash and a sense of being thrown towards the wall then I was in a desert with a strange pain between my eyes, there where people looking at me and suddenly I noticed a faint silver line going towards the horizon and I tried to follow it, then I had a false awakening before waking up fully. When I did wake up I was dizzy and tired, is this astral projection?

p.s sorry about the bad grammer, I'm still tired from last night.

no u didnt project, you just had a lucid dream as you said u realized u were dreaming.

From what I know lucid dreams can easily become astral projections, and after I shouted out, this was like no lucid dream I've ever had.

You would not be 'punished' as such, but people who astral travel with negative intentions e.g. to spy on people, are very likely to attract negative entities.



This varies widely. Some people project within a week, some take months. Just stay positive and keep at it!



I don't think this was a lucid dream. It was probably an astral experience - I can tell by the flash you experienced - a very common sensation just before leaving the body. The silver line you saw may have been the cord which connects the astral body to the physical one, but I need a better description to tell for sure.

Well done!

I experienced these twice, as mentioned in an earlier part of this topic. At first I believed I had almost projected, but months later I read up much more on lucid dreaming, sleep paralysis, and astral projection and came to a conclusion that those sensations as metioned were really just symtoms of Sleep Paralysis and are in no way related to Astral Projection. Sorry to disappoint you.

I have real problems believing that this is anything else than "quality" dreams - I don't know if people believes that they are leaving their body for real. maybe they are, but I would have to experience it on my own to believe it. But, like with everything else which are a bit strange like hypnosis I think it's mostly what you'd like to believe and are open for.
Btw, if Drugs and alcohol are hindering the experience, that in itself profes that it's an imaginative experience. Unless you are able to bring the alcohol in your blood with you on your travels

Ask your friend to write a note with some numbers or smth, then say him to put it on table, but dont look on it, go and try to project, when you are projected go and read the note and then repeat these numbers when you are "back" in your body.

are you serious ? How am I suppose to do that ? I can pretend I'm doing it, but I know it will only be in my thoughts, it won't even be a real feeling, just blurry thoughts, and I know I will never guess what's on the note...and even though I would, I still know it would have been a guess and the experience wouldn't have been "real".

For me dreams are not interesting, my dreams are blurs and I have no problems separating dreams from real life. I know that there are people who have a bigger problem being able to separate these two. I envy them that in a way, then I'm sure sleep is more entertaining:) But, if what you say is real, well, why go on vacation ? ....and if someone could leave their body fly away and read a note like this every time someone would ask, ...well we could prove that you are more than matter on this planet right away....I've never read any actual proof of such things. Prove me wrong

Now I sound very negative, I'm not, but this just isnt's real in my reality.

than you socrates

I just barely tried it after reading the post.......and.......It worked
I was a complete skeptic of Astral projection
I didn't even have to wait till four in the moring or splash water in my face
Only thing is that it only lasted for ten seconds somehow I got pulled back in it was kind of strange I was in my room looking at my laptop when It moved then i was back in my body.

i'm going to try it again later a tell you how it goes

Sorry, but you sound ignorant. Try for once in your life to project (not lucid dreams or any imagination). And my test with note would work and it is theprove, write 10 numbers and chance that you can guess them is very very low.

Ok, but no matter if I believe or not, you need to be able to meditate or something, not just sit down and try to "leave your body" ?

Anyway, if you seriously mean that you can put a note in a different place, like a vault, but still travel down and read the numbers every time you'd like andnever be wrong ?
If that is possible, why don't you prove this to the media in some way, just to end the whole "this is bulls***, no it's not" discussion.

Sorry, I'm not trying to sound ignorant! I'm just a hard believer for the unexplained. I'm one of those that sort of need proof.

When I projected (or at least I think I did) I now realise that I was atn area of sandunes where I used to play as a child, but it was different, I had no fixed perspective, instead I was constantly shifting position and direction, it wasn't like a dream lucid or not and it wasn't like real life, it was something new.

I might try this to night. How long does it usually take for something like this to work?

Apparently around 3 weeks of practicing every night.

Write a dream journal to keep an account of your nocturnal experiences.

[font=Comic Sans Ms]You guys are so weird. I've been doing astral travle for years and have of course come across some.... interesting experiences. Mr. Socrates how has your Astral Travling been? Nothing interesnting I bet. Well, you are not me. I ususal have something to fight (usually myself) and I have mastered changing my astral appearance to where I can even look like a cat. The only problem is that all the fights I get into astrally do affect me physically. What do you have to say about that Mr Socrates?

hey errr a word of advice, you have to add a closing tag or the font thing won't work.

I really don't understand how this is suppose to work...Is astral trvelling suppose to be some sort or travel into your own mind ? or is it suppose to be a real travel out of your body ?? I don't wan't to start a discussion, just interessted to know what people think about this whole experience.

Its when you step out of your body and travel around.. like soul, havent you been reading this topic from its start?
I suggest to search more info about this, its very interesting as well as bit scary stuff.

Ok I will I just had to check if it's a mind game. It can be a mind thing even though you leave your body. Actually I would guess most people, atleast those that haven't tried themselves would think it's a mind travel no matter what you think you are doing - and at the moment I'm thinking that, sorry.
I will give it a serious go before I continue being so sceptic But I sure hope this is more that just fancy dreams
Still curios why poeple can't prove that mind is more than matter, if you can infact do these travels ???

I was able to Do it again but it was kinda weird again.
I was laying there thinking about trying to astral travel for about as cllose as I can geuss twenty minutes before i decided just to get up put on my glasses and watch some TV (Thing is I never took off my glasses when i layed down) so I looked on the floor they weren't there got up went to the kitchen the bathroom everywhere then I thought maby I put them under the bed so I ment back And frooze In my footsteps for there on the bed was me the phisical me. (I then proceded to try to read a book title on a book that was across the room and I could aparently you can bring stuff with you like glasses to the astral plane. (Don't you hate when you forget you have glasses on )

I'm trying to accomplish deep mediation before i can fully astral project. The first time i tried to AP i came close, but was awoken by the the "falling' feeling, which excited me.

I've tried recently, but found my mind way too clogged up with day to day nonsense, and anxiety which i wish would just decipate.

Fortunatly, i've started to meditate, this is my second day, and i feel that it helps a lot (depending on how long i meditate per day). Now, just to get up earlier to meditate before school, would give me great confidence ot ask for a prom date


Oh wait. This was all a meditative dream

OK......

Lets see how the things you say sound here.

You wake in the morning
-Brush your teeth
-Eat breakfast
-Go to work school
-You come back and you astral project
-You have dinner
-Astral project some more
-You walk the dog
-watch a stupid movie on TV
-Astral project walking your dog
-You may or may not sleep whats left of the day.

Next day you write about it, and share your experiences...

Anything see something wrong with that?