Hey there,

Visualisation is a skill which, believe it or not, improves the more you do it. I used to be a terrible visualiser. With regard to your question about 1st/3rd person, to be honest I don't think it particularly matters unless you have a preference. It's a shame your alarm didn't go off, you should certainly attempt the technique again.

Every single time I do the four in the morning technique, I get success. This is because:
- Your body is extremely relaxed and at the lowest point of metabolism.
- There's a psychological factor. You have gotten up for a reason: to astral project. It makes it that much easier.
- It is much easier to drift off to sleep with astral projection strong in your mind, rather than at the time you go to bed when it's easy for your mind to wander.

The buzzing 'vibes' you felt are typical sensations felt before exiting the body. Before actually leaving, they intensify. It's an amazing experience. Keep trying and good luck!

Hi, Kevin and Metacom (Hi to you, too, Ziggy, sorry to thread around you... and SS79, I sense you floating around here somewhere...)


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Here is my technique i have done throughout my whole life, before i can remember...
My dad taught me this technique very early because he knew it worked for him and if he got me to succeed earlier as possible, my life would be full of leaps and bounds crossing between dimensions. Boy, what a life it has been so far!!
I have come to the conclusion that whatever you do over there in the limitless space of creation, deliberately tries to manifest itself on this lower plane called the Physical Plane or Earth Plane. Everything ABLE over there, is ABLE here! It just takes much more time, and much more effort (for superhuman abilities, so to speak), mind power, dedication and will power. Say if you mastered and understood levitation on the Astral, you can "feel" your way around to getting the laws of physics to react to your thoughts here in the Physical. Its really limitless...

Here are my techniques:

1) I clear my body systems completely a week beforehand by going on "The Sacret Heart Diet". Its a week-long, weight losing, body clearing diet that will give you ample %'s of success. Try it out, look on Google.
I then to Lucid Dream Flying - As you are preparing for sleep (at your normal time of rest), you perform a deep meditation for about 10-25 minutes IMMEDIATELY before sleep. However, instead of the normal, thoughtless meditation, you concentrate intently on the feeling of flying. You imagine the sensation of flying…you imagine how high you would fly, where you would fly, and most importantly, you VISUALIZE yourself flying. This, performed before bed, will, once you fall asleep, will place you in a state of lucid dreaming, where you will be flying in your dream, but you will often be completely aware you are dreaming. This exercise is VERY important, as most of our psychic abilities are much more active as we dream than during our consciousness. This exercise allows us to merge our conscious with our dreamworld, greatly strengthening our psychic abilities.
>>Mental Reinforcement Chanting - In this exercise, you simply repeat the following, out loud, to yourself: “I can fly…I can fly…watch me fly…watch me fly…fly so high…fly so high.” And then you repeat over and over. The reason for this is that, although most people WANT to fly, deep down, a part of them believes that they can’t. This exercise helps to eliminate the skeptical part of their brain, and also serves as a form of mind over matter.

2) I lie down after staying up for 24hrs straight. Over-tired mindset of being aware will guarantee sucesss. I think about being out of my body in some paradise wonderland for about 10mins. I repeat these thoughts over and over, and eventually my body clock ticks into overdrive. Sleep rushes to my head and then these seriously strong vibrations manifest inside of me. Before i know it, wham-oh, in a big snap im out of my body and in the place i thought about being in. As long as im am able to think conciously and know that i am out of my body, i can do whatever i wish!! Its really really fun!

3) I downloaded and bought Brainwave Generator from bwgen.com and download some A.P. Presets and try them out. Personally, the "Schuman Resonance" and "you want Astral, you got Astral" presets work the best for me. This program really works when you try. It keeps you conciously aware, but puts your body to sleep. Its then flawless in about 20mins, youre out!

I hope that helps. I will also give a Tutorial on how to fly in the physical, which i have mastered.

Great post! Thank you for sharing your techniques. I am looking forward to trying them.

Ok, thanks very much for your reply!
Yes, I understand completely why it'd be the best time and its such a great technique, I am going to definitely keep at it.
What is so strange, is that, I tried again for setting my alarm for 4 in the morning, and yet, once again, I awoke nearer afternoon. I looked, and once again the clock was still set for 4am!
I tested the alarm by setting it for 2 minutes, after 2 minutes, it went off, really loud as usual!
So I am so confused. Have I been sleeping through the alarm? But it really seems impossible, its right next to my bed, and its really loud, I've never slept through it before...
Or is something weird happening and its just not going off at 4am?!

Anyway, I'll try again at 4am, and if the alarm fails to go off again, then...I really can't understand whats happening...

If you cross your fingers and hold them for some time while meditating they will get numb and with some training you will be able to move your astral hands i nearly did this one time (felt like having 4 arms) when i did this i saw a view like i would be flying up to the celling (the lamp looked just like if it wouldn't be broken) then i turned and saw a woman looking at me and smiling. Lasted about a few seconds like a flash.

That was actually going to be a question of mine. The answer could be buried in the thread somewhere but I'll ask anyway. For those that have done AP, have you actually spoken with anyone while in AP? That is, a being that would not be seen in the normal state of conciousness.

Ok, thanks very much for your reply!
Yes, I understand completely why it'd be the best time and its such a great technique, I am going to definitely keep at it.
What is so strange, is that, I tried again for setting my alarm for 4 in the morning, and yet, once again, I awoke nearer afternoon. I looked, and once again the clock was still set for 4am!
I tested the alarm by setting it for 2 minutes, after 2 minutes, it went off, really loud as usual!
So I am so confused. Have I been sleeping through the alarm? But it really seems impossible, its right next to my bed, and its really loud, I've never slept through it before...
Or is something weird happening and its just not going off at 4am?!

Anyway, I'll try again at 4am, and if the alarm fails to go off again, then...I really can't understand whats happening...

Thanks very much for both replies from Ziggy and Kevin A.

Right, now...its very interesting.
If that is what I am actually doing, its rather creepy to think about..I mean, to think I am getting up and reaching out or getting out to turn off my alarm, without realising it, is weird.
Tonight, I'll try putting the alarm further away in the room, therefore I'd have to get out to turn it off..
But if I still don't hear it...then...its either me turning it off STILL, or something weird is happening.
I mean, yeah, I've never had to set the alarm for 4am before, so its possible my brain isn't used to it.
But, my ex girlfriend and her friend told me, that there alarms didn't go off in the past 2 days either...and theres always do also.
Thats really weird.
Its been 3 nights in a row now anyway. So..I'll try again by putting it across the room.

TO add to what Kevin stated.

My wife snores. This is no big surprise or family secret.

Ok, I've been trying for a little while & usually I get nothing. Although, yesterday I tried & had some odd feeling in my body. I don't know if tingly is the right word but it's more like if my body & soul are trying to separate. I feel this heavy pulling on the top half of my body like my soul is trying to rip its way through. However, it never goes anywhere. This happened once while I was laying in the tub yesterday, & than again last night before sleep. Do you know if this is a precursor to me actually getting somewhere with it?

I tried the 4am thing but I am far too tired at that point and pass out pretty much the instance I lay down, never leaving time to even think about AP.

Metacom thats the way i would descrie the very first part . tingling sensation . i found that once you get this if you think oh is this it . it stops . try not to think about it at all just allow the feeling come over you and go with it . dont let thougths in just accept it .

at first with me it was as if a wave of energy was washing over me an every time it got up to my throat i would panic .just allow and accept and im sure you ill get there soon and as soon as it does . let us know how it went

blessings SS79 x x x

Thanks, this helped me also.
I guess thats the sorta feeling I had...

Metacom thats the way i would descrie the very first part . tingling sensation . i found that once you get this if you think oh is this it . it stops . try not to think about it at all just allow the feeling come over you and go with it . dont let thougths in just accept it .

at first with me it was as if a wave of energy was washing over me an every time it got up to my throat i would panic .just allow and accept and im sure you ill get there soon and as soon as it does . let us know how it went

blessings SS79 x x x

What challenge are you talking about Jj ?

Ok, so I tried again last night, and I tried a different technique. The technique I'd read from the internet, and it seemed very successful.
Its basically to relax and imagine a rope above you, and then after getting the visualisation of the rope in your mind, visualise your astral hands reaching up out of your real hands and climbing this rope. Just keep visualising your astral hands moving one in front of the other up this rope, feel the rope, actually feel it and imagine climbing this rope with your astral body.
So I did it, and at first I started to get this pulse feeling I've never felt before, in my leg. I moved my leg carefully to make sure it wasn't getting numb or cramp. It continued to pulse as I imagined climbing the rope with my astral body....
Then I felt this tingly feeling all over my body, sort of like a buzzing.
Then a major breakthrough was I felt this jolt in my leg, and I was quite excited and amazed...so I kept imagining getting higher up this rope, and then my other leg jolted. But by then I was so excited, I sort of clouded over after seeing loads of colours, I fell asleep :/
But its definitely amazing and the best I've felt so far. So I'm gonna keep trying every night!

Why do you wish to astral project?

Sounds like someone needs to try it for themself!

I can understand your skepticism. But why don't you give it a try?

have you ever tried to go into your friend's body and your friend going into your body with astral projection?

and what is manipulation?

Vocaltalentz that fear is going to get you two anywhere. I mean just think about that you can try and get results or you can keep yourself in fear and get nothing. I hope you chose wisely ! Remember these entity's have nothing to use against you without your fear!

Hi! this is my first post.

I've been researching this whole OBE stuff for quite a while now. I've had plenty of these things. but for some reason, I had them almost every night when I was on a drug called Paxil. When I was getting off of Paxil (I was on it for almost 6 years) I was going through major withdrawl! and It seemed to trigger this OBE even more then before!

I saw some very scary and demented things while on the lower levels of the Astral Planes.

But now that I've been of the drug since May, I rarely get OBE. Maybe 3 times since then. But I never get those crazy dreams anymore.

Do you think Paxil stimulated these awful yet plesent dreams?


Also, I always have these dreams where I'm at my old house. (almost every night)

Why does my 'spirit' always go there? And it's always the lower level at my old house.

Hi! this is my first post.

I've been researching this whole OBE stuff for quite a while now. I've had plenty of these things. but for some reason, I had them almost every night when I was on a drug called Paxil. When I was getting off of Paxil (I was on it for almost 6 years) I was going through major withdrawl! and It seemed to trigger this OBE even more then before!

I saw some very scary and demented things while on the lower levels of the Astral Planes.

But now that I've been of the drug since May, I rarely get OBE. Maybe 3 times since then. But I never get those crazy dreams anymore.

Do you think Paxil stimulated these awful yet plesent dreams?


Also, I always have these dreams where I'm at my old house. (almost every night)

Why does my 'spirit' always go there? And it's always the lower level at my old house.

U know I have to honestly ask this:

It never once entered your mind that these were drug induced dreams? Having worked w/various Psychologist and doctor's helping to research patients backgrounds... This drug is very well understood to do this - induce weird and strange dreams. More so coming off it. Dreams nothing more .... Not "Astral Projection" or any other OBE - sigh ..............