This seems cool, i just read about it and am deciding to try it

just a question thou, when you enter this trance and leave your body, can you acually go around in the real world? or a world of your imagination?

Also say that you wana go to a place say like the UK. but youve never been there, and go there in the trance and see it how it is. Then years later you decide to go there in real life...will things appear to be the same as it was when you were in the Astral Travel?

Thanks, i will try it on a weekend

I then would ask - why were you on the Paxil? You've provided nothing that suggests anything other than dreams ....

Most people are put on paxil due to a low output of serotonin, that is involved in sleep, depression, memory, and other neurological processes.

Personally, some of this sounds abit...odd. But if someone would answer this persons post....I'd also be greatful as, I also want to know.

Thanks.

I had social anxiety and I NEVER talked. My parents also thought I had autism. So they put me on Paxil.

Hello, I posted about a Month back about Lucid dreams. I am still having those almost nightly. Almost every dream I have I know I'm dreaming and can control certian aspects of it. I can fly, but the other night I tried to will myself to find someone I haven't seen in years. I kept finding her but she would change into something or someone else. Problem is I have no real location to wear this person is.
Anyway, I ask, is there anyway to transfer a Lucid dream into actual Astral Travel. Lucid dreaming is great, but I don't feel I can learn much from this.
I can't go to places I want to go.

I heard its possible dunno how though.

Try jumping out of a window in your lucid dream thats what people usually say... i dont have much lucid dreams though so i honestly have no idea if it works but i think you should just jump out a window and just close your eyes and feel that your falling, try it out

btw OurHauntedKingdom your avatar... its from a cool movie called fire in the sky right? its a great movie XD

Oh and yeah if your out of your body you can go places like the USA or China or anywhere however it might not be EXACTLY like in real life cause your thoughts will interfere so if you think about a chinese then a chinese will most likely appear if you know what im getting at?

Yeah it is, lol, I couldn't choose upon a good avatar, and I'm still not happy with this one, but its a cool movie...

And thanks for your answer to the user who asked the question, I'd also wondered that..

Try the mirror technique. Find a mirror in your dream, do not make one because it's not going to work. Try to see your reflection once you see it try to go through it. You might even feel a vibration or the mirror pulling you in to your reflection. Mirrors are a gateway portal to the astral.

If your lucidity is fading your face will be distorted. When you pass through the mirror the dream will end. You will probably be having vibration or already out of your body.

@OurHauntedKingdom no problem

@purpleinx oh the mirror technique i had completely forgot about that i was supposed to try that as i believe it might just be an easy technique as long as you have a dream with a mirror XD however its bin a while now since i last tried to AP now but i think i might try this one, thanks

P.S i think il try be more active here again like i used to be... most of my posts (more then 200 of them) have bin posted here on this thread XD

P.S.S you might wanna try to look at your hands in your dream i heard it gives some effect and even i got small vibrations when i did it note that i cant really lucid dream or AP yet >_< but whenever things have happened its bin because i realize somethings wrong and it suddenly become lucid dream or that i just suddenly fall from something in a dream and then got the vibration anyway il try to stick around more

Hello! I just could not beleive my eyes/computer when I saw this forum!

You see my friends cousin once slept over at my house when we were 12 at around halloween. This girl "Lisa" asked us if we had ever traveled via green bubble. Thinking it was a train line/Bus route we all shook our heads. Lisa claimed that she had been traveling by green bubble for over 5 years. She made us lie down and slowly relaxed us from toes up. She asked us to remember this sensation. Half of us grew heavy some felt liquidy and still others felt light as a feather. Soon we were in a green bubble of light attached by a green cord. Still talking she told us to fell invincinble and reassured us that nothing could touch us. Then she "guided" us across the worlds and beyoond.

By beyond I mean to spots within ourselves. Those who felt heavy found themselves in caves and underground or in treetops. Those who found themels liquidy were in an ocean and others fo8und themselves in clouds. I foyund myself under a water fall. Years later that is the only place I can project to. But I can guide other perople.

Love your ideas!

What an interesting subject. I started at the beginning and read about 15 pages into it. Just thought I would put in my two cents worth

Ive tried several times to AP.....but havent yet. The fear thing always stops me. Its something I am finding that is hard to control. I want to, I tell myself there isnt anything to be afraid of, but everytime I feel something physically happening and know Im about to....FEAR comes ( whether I want it to or not ) and stops me.
I suppose that the more often I attempt it, the easier it will get, and eventually I wont continue to have feeling of total fear as Im about to AP. Its just interesting just how afraid we can become of the unknown, once we are about to do something so out of the "norm" There must be something in us that believes it is possible, why else would we become so afraid?

still trying though.....

I know that feeling... i used to get that a lot when i tried to AP before but after a while i got more used to things like the vibrations and i found it easier to not be afraid of it, but it still dont change the fact that every time i tried to AP and got those feelings i thought "yay somethings happening" and it starter to fade -.-' now i think the vibrations is a good feeling i think its really cool however i have not tried to AP for a while..

Hi, gizagirl (welcome aboard) and sephiroth976, and all...

I don't know if this helps or not, but there is a more-or-less "hardwired" human aversion to a sudden loss of support.

This phenomenon is usually discussed in connection with floor or ground collapses, but I wouldn't be surprised if any sudden acceleration sensation would trigger it, or something related to it.

I wonder if some sudden-acceleration-aversion is what causes you to hesitate at the brink. That is what the aversion is supposed to accomplish. It impels us to find terra firma, right now, and without a lot of internal debate.

Calling this fear of the unknown might be making it too intellectual, and even too emotional, since this aversion is in some sense more primitive than fear.

We know that ordinary falling aversion can be overcome - look at all those people who volunteer to do bungee jumping, technical rock climbing, skydiving, and such.

Maybe that's what you need to add to your (gg more than s976) technique - some activity involving desensitzation of acceleration-aversion. Probably a silly idea, but who knows? Could be fun, and just might do the trick.

"Maybe that's what you need to add to your (gg more than s976) technique - some activity involving desensitzation of acceleration-aversion. Probably a silly idea, but who knows? Could be fun, and just might do the trick"

Sounds like it could help. What kind of desensitzation activity would you suggest? I know I need to work on something lol AT times fear has me at such a state that I catch myself trying to scream ( but not being able to....just trying to )

Like you sephiroth976, I havent tried for awhile.....Im going to try again tonight. I will post tomorrow if im able to accomplish anything or at least get closer to my goal

Don't talk rubbish!!!

why is it rubbish?

Shocker actually has a very valid point. Negative entities do exist and though it is relatively easy to avoid frightening situations - simply the thought of return often sends you with a jolt back into your body - one should project with caution and ask that there are guides to ensure safety.

Negative entity's cant do anything if you wont fear , i know it is hard i was constantly attacked by negs in my meditation and every time i saw i had to stop meditating recently i was confronted again and just sat there looking at them my hearth was beating faster than ever and i think it even hurt a bit but eventually they left haven't seen them for about 4 weeks. The point is dont let these negs manipulate you.

Hi, again, gizagirl.


That's a good question; it depends on you. My first thought (with a chuckle) is to sign up for one judo lesson. What they teach in the first lesson is how to take a fall, and the typical "pop quiz" is that the instructor flips you over his or her shoulder.

That should do it .

You probably do something in real life which features "hesitation at the brink," more conservative than is really necessary to prevent injury. That would be your answer.

(If you happen to visit Auckland, New Zealand, go stand on the glass in the floor of the Sky Tower observation deck... for some people, just thinking about doing that may require desensitization - as will looking out the window at the people rappelling down the outside of the tower for fun.)

Also, re-read Kandy with a K's post, just before your first one. Her green balloon reminded me that a lot of people seem to visualize not just the travel, but also some sort of vehicle to travel in or on (magic carpet, anyone?). I think she's onto something, and maybe that is another solution to the same "tame the aversion" problem.

This is not true, sorry. Negs can hurt you if you don't prepare and do energy work the right way before projecting, take a look at my experience. If you were going into a battle, would you go without a gun because you think that " well, I'm not scared of them, so they won't shoot me...."

or would you feel better with a gun in your hand and a bullet proof vest on?

There have been alot of people who get hurt AP'ing, maybe not physically, but your mind is a terrible weapon when turned against you. I suggest you read an experience that happened to me (you can search my post) and there is another forum called astralsociety, full of users who astral project. They will tell you that negs are a reality and can do damage if you don't properly educate yourself with defense techniques. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing your post---The Astral world is a beautiful realm when projecting to the higher planes, but to new users starting out, most likely you will project to the lower levels, which are full of negs---I just want people to realize that there are dangers in the astral realm you can bring back on yourself in the physical if you are not careful.

I have astral traveled before met a friend there.
I would love to try it again. I want to try it with another person.

I can tell you from experience there are bad things out there! I use a protection energy circle anytime I do anything like this.

Eight bits, I read the post by Kandy....and yes I agree there might be something to that.
I dont guess it matters how you do it....whatever works
Its sure worth looking into anyway.

What ever this is, it sounds very interesting. Im not sure if i believe this or not but i am very open minded. Last night i was reading this for a while. I got tired and decided to go to bed at around 11:30.

I was remembering your very first post about how its done and i was just thinking about being somewhere else in the house and all of a sudden i felt a rush, a strange voice yelling then "re awoke" or something. The voice wasnt in english it sounded like it was spanish or something lol.

I have never heard voices before lol.

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[/size][/color][size="5"][color="#FF0000"]If you really want to Astral travel then you have to be dedicated to it. There are no half measures. I tried everything and nothing worked, so then I devised my own way, tailored for me.

And I think this should work for most people, if they have the patience, so this is the method I use: When you go to bed at night, set your alarm clock to go off every half an hour, each time you hear the alarm, check to make sure you are not dreaming by doing something like: Looking at the time and then looking away and then looking back again. if the time has not changed, chances are you're still awake.

You must keep doing this all through the night until you find yourself in a dream. At some point you will find yourself in that dream, checking the clock.

And because you have been repeating this exercise for so long, during the night, that dream will be a lucid one. Remember; a lucid dream is an easy stepping-stone into the Astral dimension. Once in the lucid dream state, just simply wish yourself into the Astral dimension by feeling your body getting lighter and floating into it. With this method you may well find yourself skipping the lucid state and be flung straight into the Astral, which is just the next level up.

You will soon know the difference between the two; one is still a dream [lucid] and the other is for real, no matter how fantastic the experience will seem to you.

Remember; nothing short of dedication of this excercise is required for it to work.

Hey ppl.... Im new here.. and i need some help.. can someone tell me how to achieve the vibrational stage consciously?? i've been trying for over a week.. cant seem to get to the vibrational stage properly... had my first OBE 2 years back tho.. and i've been trying for the first time since last week... been meditating as well.. and increasing my focusing ability and all.. but i cant get to the vibrations!!! .. plzz help me out here im dying to have an OBE lol.. i practise evrynite and morning btw..

I can get you there, just tell me what technique/s you use when practicing, and if you feel any sensations at all?

Some people never even feel 'vibrations' as such. The sensation itself is broad and varies from person to person. I wouldn't worry about not feeling the vibrations and instead simply focus on leaving your body.

I have to agree the astral is dangerous if you fear. This gives power to the negative entities. A book by Ramacharaka addresses this in 14 lessons and in Raja Yoga( See www.manybooks.net) The mantrams in Raja Yoga are there to protect you against negative influences by the realisation of The " I am " consciousness.

I have only once encountered danger in the astral when I was 7 and it was a spontaneous projection. These days with all the stress
of work and materialism I am struggling to project. My last projection was 4 years ago. Most of the time if I do get out I am stuck
to the floor or cannot move. But to be honest I have never been an advanced astral projectionist and my projections are sporadic at best.

I also think this is in part to do with my technique. After reading 14 lessons of Ramacharak I kind of had an Idea how to astral project. My father was an advanced projectionist but he used the most difficult of all techniques . That of visualisation.
And talking to him was not that much help as far as technique was concerned. (It took him years to train his concentration
to do this and like me with the busy lifes of today and all the materialism have lost this ability)

I would love to hear more on techniques. I have heard rope is good. I have only used it about 2 times without much success.
My general technique has been to relax deeply. (Sometimes I do not project but stay in the trance state for hours.) And then when fully relaxed with no thoughts going through my mind I would try to lift my astral body or imagine my astral a few feet away.

I usually get as far as feeling like the room is turning (not spinning just turning slightly) or a kind of floating sensation. The getting stuck to the floor has happened once or twice when I cannot move my astral body but I am out. Also I would black out then feel
as if I am out then return quickly.

When I was 6 or 7 I projected spontaniously a few times but forgot all about it (made it off as a great dream) till I again took up the subject when I was about 15 reading the books of Yogi Ramacharaka (www.manybooks.net). I usually have lucid dreams of coming events in my life but I can usually not figure out what it means till it happens and
it is like de ja vu.

Any help on better techniques will be greatly appreciated. :-)

I too have heard a lot of good feedback regarding the rope technique.

Well i tried a lot of techniques.. mostly i try the one where u focus on tht high pitched sound inside ur head... and sometimes visualising myself standing somewhere else or floating above my physical body.. yeah well i do get some tingling sensations sometimes... but they dont last very long.. and not very close to the vibrations i felt the first time i projected (unintentionally) ... the sensations r very .. well.. not tht strong.. just the numbness of the body i think.. sometimes i spend like 2 hours trying then finally give up .. i get too uncomfortable.. and i dont get too sleepy(one of the reasons why i have difficulties reaching the hypnagogic state.. i think).. i tried the techniques in the morning as well but same results..

... I must say this is precisely how I feel trying to do AP . wen i feel something, im scared of doing it even though i really want to do it, i stop. the feeling of fear just jumps up from no where ...
But now im wondering sometimes, what is the baddest that could happen to you is ther any chance that something bad can happen to you?
and iv seen somewhere someone said that if you are scared of seeing something bad, likely you would come across something bad?

I do know that negs are dangerous but only if you allow them to be dangerous by fearing them or by being impure (both attracts them) im not saying that shielding is unnecessary even if you run into them and dont fear them and you are pure you can just ignore them and fly away. Courage and purity are the best guns.

Hey this is just an example...

Some member from another forum.. just read it a few mins ago..
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I certainly hate to be so dramatic in the title of my post and even more so, I dislike starting a new thread as a brand new newbie. Please forgive me. I'm certain that there must be posts upon what I am about to inquire about and tomorrow I shall browse and get better acquainted with the site. For now, all I ask for is your patience.

It's important to note that I am Narcoleptic. It's funny, really. Way back when, I became familiar with astral travel through the practice of solitary witchcraft. I tried, in vain, to achieve the state several times. I have a history of drug and alcohol abuse which I'll get into at a later time. I plan on using my journal. Long story short, I am five years clean of all hard drugs. In the past three, I have changed my life even more. I now eat healthier than ever, ingest nothing besides water or VitaminWater as fluids and maintain an active lifestyle. I walk daily to keep myself grounded. I figure that because my body and mind are so pure and perhaps in better shape than ever - the "dreaming" I do is more powerful than ever. I'm calling it dreaming for lack of a better term.

I have been to this site before and have gotten much useful information. My problem is this:

I am leaving my body often and uncontrollably. I started yoga a couple of years ago and it was the breathing that helped me remain calm and enabled me to explore. In recent months I have been experiencing synchronicity. I have many tales of my OBE's and as I said - I will get into this later. What I'm about to say has happened before, not in a couple of years, but I didn't know what I do now. Back then I reduced everything to crazy dreams and withdrawal symptoms. Last night I was attacked again. It is a small being, about the size of an infant, but as agile as you or I. It clings to me, last night nearly so tightly that I felt as if it were strangling me. The thing is that because I'm not willingly leaving my body, I often awake in this state and am frightened - especially when something is hanging on to me like that. Most of my lucidity takes place in my home and last night we tumbled off of the bed into a wrestling match. I came back to my body during the struggle and then fell asleep again. I'm not sure how long later, but I left again and this time I laid there and could feel it clinging to my back - what I suppose were "arms" and "legs" wrapped around my neck and mid-section, not unlike a piggy back. It pretended to be my brother who I had some deep stress over yesterday. I had a conversation with it. I then fell into real sleep. When I awoke again and in real-time I knew it had not been my brother. It was still the middle of the night. I prayed aloud and warned it. When it cannot get at me, it attacks my dog while he sleeps next to me. I awoke again in real-time and heard it racing through the house with my cats. The next time I awoke, I was awakened by my dog who was being molested. My cat sat about a foot away watching it too. It has also molested me in the past. It has hurt me in the past. Somehow it knows that it can put extreme pressure to my groin area, the pressure points. I have been poked and prodded. I am tired right now, after a long day and a hard time sleeping last night. I want to go to bed, but I know it's waiting. The cat and dog have let me know. Please tell me how to protect myself tonight. I have never told anyone of any of this. I am only beginning to grasp my "gift". As I said, I'll go into depth in the coming weeks. Thanks in advance.
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To tell the truth, I havent even been able to have a lucid dream yet ( although its been a long time since Ive gave it a really good try ) Would you need to beable to lucid dream before your able to AP?

Not really but you can get AP while in lucid dream.

You're right Vilius, initiating AP during a dream is an effective method of projecting.

I'd just like to warn all aspiring projectors to avoid deep sleep. If you get into bed after a hard days work and attempt to project, 9 times out of 10 you'll awake in the morning having fallen asleep during your attempt. This is another reason why 4 in the morning works so well.

Hmm.. when i think about it i never really got to try out the 4 in the morning technique.. i never got the chance XD and the other problem though is that 4 in the morning is usually when i go to bed..... so i wonder if i were to try this technique when should i go to bed? 12? or something?

EDIT: better and shorter question: how many hours should i sleep before i do this technique?

Well I've tried the rope technique and after trying it, I started breathing really fast for some reason...... O____o? I was concentrating really hard and going over my mind "I'm going to astral project, I'm going to leave my body..."

Can anyone give me advice for the most effective technique?

I wish you would have stated this a while back. I had been trying for a couple weeks to AP when going to sleep since I don't have an alarm clock. I've managed time and time again to get the vibrations and feel my spirit ever so slightly leaving my body, but would end up giving up. It also doesn't help that I'm in Iraq right now living in a tent with 3 guys who love to play music at all times. I figure eventually, with practice, I can manage to concentrate well enough to do it, but I'm sure that will take a while.

Fortunately though, just last night I woke up mid sleep for no apparent reason and ended up thinking, I should project. I was laying half on my stomach and half on my side and the vibrations came quick and easy. It felt like I was pushing myself up off the bottom of a swimming pool and my spirit was coming out of the water. I guess I didn't hit the astral plane though. As soon as my spirit was completely out of the 'water', I found myself in some kind of airplane or helicopter. The bottom opened up and dumped me out high above the world. I have had many lucid dreams before and am pretty sure that that's all this was. It was only right that my first success at an intentional lucid dream be rewarded with my favorite sensation: Free falling into flying.
I flew just for the sake of flying and ended up landing somewhere where there was knee high water. For fun I started walking on water around the people I saw there, just to see how they'd react I think throughout the dream I talked to maybe 3 people, asking if they were my spirit guide and each one of them said no. So what do I have to do to get past the lucid dream and onto the astral plane?

One step closer to my goal!
-C

Nice work. When new to astral projection you'll have alot of lucid dreams which are directly or subconsciously related to astral travel. It's only a matter of time before you get on the astral plane.

I haven't tried for a few nights or a week now, just can't seem to get any feelings anymore.
But I'll try tonight.

I need to stary trying again...

I had a lot of results during the summer but now because of school I can't try as much anymore.

Has anyone had any recent travels?

Hi I have read your posts on techniques and they have been helpfull. I have also read Don Garcia's little book on astral as well as Robert Bruce astral treatise. I had my last AP in 2003(Started conscious APing since 1998). I have only recently started( August 2007)again and gained good results because of all the online help there is now.

One thing I have learned is not to try to hard and kind of just let it go. Since doing this I have reached the vibration state super fast. I have done it in under 5 minutes once. What I do to prepare is sleep a lot on weekends then Sunday night I stay up late until I start to feel sleepy. Then when I try to project I get to the vribration state very fast. (Don't know if you could call this a Technique but the results have been amazing) I also try to project all through the week and I do energy work but only at night after work and I always hold back so I do not go to far and use to much energy. This way I try to keep the projection in my mind all throught the week until Sunday when I really have a go at it.

This seems to work for me. Any comments on this would be appreciated.

Sounds like a good idea i think im gonna try this as i have no problem sleeping in the weekends

I also find it easier to try to project when i get up early for school cause usually when i wake up early im really sleepy and find it easy to notice the moment im about to fall back asleep and then i just try thinking and focusing on leaving my body or being somewhere else in the room/house and i have gotten the vibrations several times this way but normally im to tired to care in the morning or i just have to get up for school this is actually how i got the vibrations the first time.

is it true that you can do cyrokinesis and stuff like that in the astral realm without practice?

Yes. In the astral the possibilities are endless.

so if we die we can do such things? (no i do not wish to die)

Thats right you can do whatever you want.