there are many different types of psi there is telekinesis, cyrokinesis, pyrokinesis, umbrakinesis, electrokinesis, remote viewing , intuition , photokinesis, so many different types of them to choose from.

I think what your saying is great.My mother does this all the time,she is right into astrology.She is a highly educated woman and would not try anything she thought was goobolty goosh.Although she has never explained to me how to do it.Thank you.

what is astrology

Astrology is telling the future using the twelve sings of the zodiac. I dont really trust it.

I practice an unusual skill dont really know hows it called but i use to purify air around me , i use it when someone (or i) farts i think it works....

really how do you do it teach me

astrology isn't necessarily used to tell the future....and is much more than 'just' the 12 signs of the zodiac.............it's much more proper to be educated in astronomy as well as astrology to get the full spectrum of things....but yeh...definately more than some silly spoof thing that popular culture makes people think it is. ....the popular kind of horoscopes and b.s. personality types isn't always very reliable unless coupled with numbers and somone who is versed in the science...not a newspaper editor. the bigger and deeper picture of astrology is far greater than what you can read in most readily available books, unfortunately.

if this works, i can probably get some answers to some tests and find out dirty secrets!but sereously this sounds cool

I had a hag sit on me while meditating was really weird Oo.

what!? hehehe

I would have a hard time remembering to look at my hand... and... The symbol of the fish could mean some sort of religious awakening...

People of all different cultures have experienced this 'hag.' This is what intrigues me - the hag has become a meme in wordly consciousness, and yet scientists still readily dismiss it as a hypnogogic hallucination. Empiricism severely restricting our capacity for knowledge and understanding.

I had a pretty quick read through the forum. Yes I believe that If you fall asleep and get up early you'll have an 80% success rate of astral projecting than just simply waiting until 3am in the morning and trying it.

There is one rule I abide by and that Rule is that "Anything is possible" (Nothing is impossible). If you want to project into someone else you have to think about the consequences of it. If you project into Animals (not recommended) you could loose your mind and be stuck in that animal until death. Thats just one of the consequences.

Ever thought of trying to morph yourself into someone else whilst in the astral realm? I'm sure thats pretty safe. Anyway I havn't had success at astral projection but I have been training and practicing for quite a while. I've done my research and I'm ready to Astral project. All I need to do is, do it right.

Astral Travel Safely guys.

It started when i felt some kind of a wall pushing my right foot , i thought 'thats probably how it fells to have a hag sit on you' and continued to meditate. After about 5 minutes i felt something like clothes a shape of an old lady sit on me. What happened next still puzzles me to this day i became sleepy and said to her 'You sat on me 15 minutes earlier then on her' i repeated that 3 times , no answer. Then everything blacked out and i saw my room and her sitting on me she had a grey wrap a (cant really remember) grey shirt and a grey dress. Dude was her face uggggly!

Was it a frightening experience?

when I first read your post I had NO idea what you meant...I jsut thought it was an entirely random comment...but now after reading the response and your description of the experience...I do recognise this archetype and that is really intriguing to hear about! I vaguely remember, maybe in a story, the thought of having a hag sit on you....very strange....but I don't think I've ever heard of someone describing this happening to them. quite intriguing!

So, I have a pretty short attention span, how am I supposed to concentrate inable to astral travel?

is this astral projection like using our soul to travel out our body and explore the world?

will we be dead when we stay out for too long? or maybe cannot get back to our body?


a good technique....


thanks

Yes.

I dont think you would manage to stay projected for so long. My theory is that when you project your astral body leaves but your soul is still inside (or maybe it makes a duplicate .. i dunno) so nothing can posses you.

Read the first post.

It's impossible to stay out for too long. Either you will be pulled back to your physical body or you will visualize yourself going back and it will happen. You can always get back in.

I a very skeptical of all this astral projection business but I felt that I should give it a try anyhow.

Over the last two nights I tried with the technique you described and though I didn't astral project I did get some of the other experiences some have described.

Concentrating hard I fell asleep and then was awoken by the jolt that some people have described but I think that it's nothing but a hypnogogic jerk. For those that wonder a hypnogogic jerk is that jolt feeling or a sensation of falling that you get when you first all asleep and enter a vivid dreamlike state. This would also account for the sleep paralysis that some reported.

Not surprisingly this "jolt" is reported in many cases of alien abduction, and yes with astral projection.

I am not discounting this whole phenomena but I don't feel that it's something spiritual, I think that it's just a form of vivd dream that may appear real but in fact is not. I think that after you awake you may reinterpret the dream or the hypnic jerk as some form of spiritual occurrence.

thanks guys

So the easiest way to experience this phenonema is to wake yourself up at 4am and drift back to sleep whilst focusing on trying to be somewhere else.

So the two options are:

A) Your spirit/soul actually leaves your body and ventures on to an astral plane. All of this being unaccounted for by any evidence whatsoever.

B) It's a phenomenon related to dreams.

Hmmm...

Pretending that Option A was true, it's testable. People who 'astral project' will be able to make observations that they otherwise couldn't. So where are the investigations confirming this?

I recall there was an experiment done where people who could supposedly astral project were put in a room an on the opposite of where they were sleeping there was a card with a number on it which was put there after they went to sleep.

Now if they would in fact astral travel they would have ben able to read the number and yet, not surprisingly, not a single one of the patients got it right.

The 'hypnogogic jerk' is an explanation often offered by the scientific community but I have yet to see any evidence which confirms this. I encourage people not to always blindly follow science, as the explanations science offers haven't always been proven. I only ever experience the jerk while attempting to astral project; can this be explained?

I've read about similar experiments in which the subjects got the numbers right time and time again - look up experiments done with Ingo Swann.

Yes, there is no conclusive evidence which validates astral projection - we are aware of that. Rather than dwell on it, keep trying the technique and have an open mind.

Lets say you were really really scared of something, like a clown. Is it possible for your "guide" to be a clown?

yeah...c'mon now...have an open mind. It could be that the same people dismissing that 'jolt' as being soley scientific, are in fact projecting but don't realise or remember this. since astral projection is most likely to occur when the mind is in a 'hypnogogic' state since the body is much more relaxed..it just isn't far fetched that science and spirit are complementing each other, rather than it being either/or. for those who meditate, the feeling that comes along with it is much akin to the feeling between being awake and asleep, naturally....so it all works well together if you ask me...science is not at all being dismissed...it's just doing the best it can.

actually I believe all of the sensations of the mind being in a hypnogogic state correspond entirely with the falling,high feeling of conciousness, fear, or even hearing or 'seeing' beings around you that astral projectors describe......that doesn't mean at all that since part of something can be explained with science, that the part that cannot yet be explained by science, is untrue.....that's only 'listening' to one side of the story.

I just recently found another forum that I think many on this board would appreciate, it's www.astralsociety.com some very interesting stories/methods/etc over there and people to learn from.

Your guide will always have an appearance which is non-threatening and exclusive to you. If you're afraid of clowns, your guide will not appear to you as a clown.

if there was no validity to it?

why would the american government and the soviet government both have programs that ran the course of the cold war dealing with nothing but astral projection, to use it for remote viewing?
( sending spies in on the astral plane not only gets into anywhere, doors locked or not. but it keeps people from being shot or captured while they are doing it )

thats 20 plus years people. if there was nothing to it, it would have been confined to universities and coleges around the country, and soley done by students. dont you think?
major funding would have never happened if there was no validity to it. in america it was done by the paranormal division of the CIA ( they even hunted out people in canada ). in the soviet union it was done by the KGB.
students studying these things and showing some success were recruted in the states, people that followed the teachings of edgar case, people that came forth with visions to help police solve murders.
all these people in the states were looked at. the ones who had a higher than average sucess rate were recruted.

in the soviet union, anyone who had any kind of ESP were taken, the ones that were just chance incedences were disposed of. the ones that had a good rate of sucess were used and are still being used.
the russian government still runs these programs to this day. mental telepathy, telekenisis, pyrokenisis, any kind of epathy and kenesis you can think of and more.

for all you naysayers and skeptics that want hard proof. to me you are just to lazy to do your own research, and look for someone else to "prove it" to you.
if you say you would believe it if there was hard evidence in front of you, its there, look for it. the russians are not so secretive about all of these activities that they ran in the past.

would government programs recieving billions of dollars to do this reserch prove it to you?
do you believe that the search for life on mars is a valid one in the chance ( extreemly small chance ) that there might be a single cell organism on that planet?

now think about this.

in order for the money to be put into a government program that will take millions or billions of dollars to find any kind of result of somthing that may or may not exsist.
2 criteria have to be meet ( more really but for the sake of argument here )

1 - the scientific comunity has to believe that there is truth to it, and people that have gone farther in these fields of science than your average school teacher ( or nutbar ) have to want to work on it ( because they believe that there may be something there ), and have the credentials.

2 - the scientific comunity has to convince the government that there is truth to it, and there is a means to either "make money" or "keep soldiers out of harms way" to more safely win a war.

once these first two criteria have been fullfilled, money starts getting spent.

there were billions dumped into research into the paranormal.
and there still is.

your government that you put so much trust in believes it.
why dont you?

Surely, you mean Inigo Swann. He was a remote viewer. There are some controversies about whether there is any such thing. If it exists, then remote viewing would be a different accomplishment from astral projection (some literal detachment of consciousness from its ordinary physical ground).

So, assuming that the Stanford experiments and the like were methodologically sound, their success would not rebut the earlier poster's remark


Even if every patient got the number right, there would remain a daunting, and so far unsolved, difficulty in distinguishing whether such a feat was accomplished by astral projection, or by remote viewing, accompanied by adaptive hallucinations that "cover for" the dissociation necessarily implied by "seeing" something outside a person's eyeshot.

The interpretive difficulty is only increased when the methods proposed for attaining astral projection coincide so neatly with reliable techniques for courting hallucination, e.g. prolonging one's residence in hypnogogic or hypnopompic "twilight" states of consciousness.

As to hypnogogic jerk, "science" does not claim to be explaining anything. The term, on its face, describes the report of what is literally a hallucination, the vestibular sensation of movement when the vestibular sensory apparatus is visibly stationary, experienced when the reporter ought to be, and very probably is, in a twilight state of consciousness.

There is nothing in the testimony about hypnogogic jerk that requires explanation beyond the routine recital of what many people experience routinely. In the present context, it is simply a hallucination (literally, words do have meanings) attendant to something that cannot, even in principle apparently, be distinguished from hallucination.

Unlike the skeptics-with-a-k, I am not criticizing you, but rather telling you that you have a difficult epistemological problem even if you are right.

What does writing "I'm dreaming" on your palm do?

It is supposed to give the ability to lucid dream.

hey will first off your "soul" never leaves your body. your body is never empyt when you astral. what happens is when you try and astral, your unconscious mind makes a double of itself. it makes a double of you. all of your memories, your attitude, your personally, it makes another you. this is what astrals. so the real you, your real mind, is always in your body, its the copy of you that goes out and astrals. thats why sometimes when ppl are astraling they sometimes feel like they are in their body and in their astral body at the same time, they can feel and notice both of them.
Thats why sometimes ppl get paralysis, or sleep paralysis. You cant move anything and are normaly scared, a lot of the time you will feel exit sensations and think you are about to astral when nothing happens and you just end up paralized. what happened was you did astral you just didnt remember it, your mind made that double and it got out. but what happens when you astral is that you got both of these "you" out and about and you will only remember whitch ever event you stayed with the hole time or witch ever event was the strongest and easiet to remember. so sometimes you will remember exiting you body and havein a full astral projection and other times you will only remember that you were about to project but you got paralized.

When your mind makes this double and it goes out of your body it is you, and acts just like you would, and when it comes back into your body it has to download the new memories that it just made into your brain so that you will remember them as astraling. and sometimes you will remember these and sometime you wont and you will think you didnt astral. I think this happens a lot of the time to ppl, they will try and astral and even feel senstaions but think they didnt astral, but they really did they just didnt remember it.

Its hard to explain, but its just like this, when you astral, you are in two places at the same time, in your eather sleeping or awake body and you are also in your astral body, flying and floating around the astral planes. since you are in two places at one time, you can only remember one even that hapened at the time, so sometime you will remember that you astral projected and other times you will remember that you tried to and eather got paralized or you just feel asleep, and if you fall asleep you might wake up later and be paralized, and you woke up paralized becasue thats when your astral body came back into your body and you just didnt remember it.

Ive even been able to astral and be awake at the same time, ive flown my astral body into my room and saw my real body, it was so werid, i could see each of my to halves and think in both of them. in my astral body i was thinking wtf, i though i was sleeping, i dont wanna go back into my body yet, and in my real mind i was thinking, wtf, i though i didnt astral, why is my astral body out there right now, and as i though this i heard it in both of myselfs minds, in my astral self and in my real body. plus i started to feel all werid and had to get my asrtal body outta there. and from then on out i clearly remember both things that happened after that. i went on to astral for a lil longer and just flew around for a lil bit, but i got scared and new i should go back into my body, and in my real body, i just layed there and meditated and waited for my astral body to come back, casue i knew myself and i knew i wouldnt stay out long after that. i layed there and waited for my astral self to come back into the room, witch it did and then it layed ontop of me, then i got paralized for a little bit and it was over. in my asrtal self i came back into the room, saw myself laying there, and just layed on top of it untill i woke up paralized. it was a really werid event but i had known before it happened that you didnt leave your body empty, you just make a copy of yourself and and the copy is what goes out and has fun in the astral planes.

This is the main reason ppl dont remember astraling sometime when they really do, all they remember is feeling like they were goin to and eather falling asleep or becoming paralized, they didnt get a chance to download the memeries that their double had just made. When you astral you really got to pay attention to the exit senstaions that you feel, and start to feel yourself out of your body, feel yourself outside of your body way more then you feel you body and you should stay with your double and remember everything that happened, plus once you come back from astraling, sit there and just think about what happened and even write it down, casue just like a dream, the longer you wait to think about it the more you forget about it. i knows it confuseing, but i hope everyone understands what i was tryin to get across, i tried to explain it the best i could. hope it helps out, and ya that shows that theres no way you wont get back into your body casue hey, you never leave it, and ya nothing will take over your body, you will be fine and have fun astraling, as long as you remeber it, that is. i really think that ppl trying to astral for their first times and if they feel exit senstaions, that they did astral, they just didnt realize it or remember it, it is really easy to astral, the hard part is remembering it, thats what ppl gotta work on, thats what the true thing to master is.

Okay so I tryed this when it was a little dark out, but still light. I kept thinking that I was as light as a feather and I would lift up. I did, and I saw an explosion of colors in my mind, but that is all i saw. I never felt any vibrations or anything. Am I getting somewhere?

You sure are! The effects are different for everyone, there's just some very common effects that get mentioned (like vibrations). Keep it up, maybe you'll make it to the astral plane before I do

-C

Cool! :]

This may be of interest to some of you:

http://www.spirit-quest.ca/ebooks/Spirit-Quest.pdf

It's a free 150 page e-book on astral projection. I haven't read it, but from what I hear it's ok. Any questions please ask.

Hey ive had sleep paralysis before. But, this the first time i attempted to astral travel. I layed down on my bed and cleared my thoughts, relax and start to focus myself on another part of the room. Surprising, my body vibrated by itself seconds later, flashes of white/blue light appearing, heart rate beating crazily and a slight sense of floating, also my eyelid was twithcing uncontrollably. I continue trying to project( i did not fear much ), but still couldnt and gave up after a few more seconds. My mind is still to attached to the physical plane i think. But from my descriptions do you think i am close to projecting?

Excellent read!

I wouldn't recommend anything published by Llewellyn to anyone, but Denning & Phillips' book seems to have helped the author significantly. I find it amazing how much our knowledge and understanding of OBEs have greatly progressed over the last 30 years. The author does a great job of exemplifying that fact, whether it was intentional or not.

Thanks for the link.

Hey i really like to astral travel. Anybody who has msn here? add me at tgan3@hotmail.com where we can talk more in depth about astral travel...

ohh wow, hell ya, id say you were really close to astraling, you just described just about every single sensation you feel before you astral project. id say you were really close to astraling. keep tryin, you will soon do it.

hmm, oh yeah i also had a weak swaying sensation...kinda like your body moving left to right...But, when i finally decided to stop trying and open my eyes, i didnt jolt back or anything. I just simply open my eyes like the way everyone opens when they awake...So im nt sure whether am i really on the verge of astral projection or all of these are just created by my own mind...

i dunno you could have just made them up in your mind. next time you try to astral, pay no attention to the sensations that you feel, payin to much attention to them can ruin your chance of astraling, just keep doing what ever it is your were doing and dont lose focus of that, try to not even notice anything you feel no matter what it is, never let your mind off of anything other then gettin out of your body. try my rope techique, its in metaphysica, astology and psychis phenomena, and its called astral projection and people stories or something like that. but you should be able to astral as long as you just keep focus on leaving your body and you dont let your mind wonder off

I've read the first 10 pages or so of this thread and I must say I am kind of scared to try it. I've had a sneaking suspicion that one could leave the body at will, and return in the same manner. A couple of questions I have are:

When you are out of body, do you retain your physical appearance?

When you are projecting, can you literally "float" around your house and see everyone else sleeping?

Can you move objects in the "real world?" Like could I turn on the lamp while out of body?

If someone comes in the room to wake you by calling your name or touching you, will you return to your body instantly? (IE interruption while projecting)

I guess I would like to experiment in the Astral Plane; so many questions

Most people who AP say the astral world looks slightly different than the real world. Also, people who try to look for information while APing in controlled conditions (i.e Nothing where that crackpot Ingo Swann is involved) always fail. Therefore, astral projection does not exist, and all of you are wasting your time trying to do an elaborate form of lucid dreaming.

for the most part you do retain your physical appearance, you might look healthier, slimmer, and in better physical condition altogether. and sometimes ppl can astral as somethine completey different, like i was talkin to someone on here who astrals as a wolf, do if you just dont think about what you will look like when you astral then you will just be a better look you.

yes in a real time projection you can float around you house and see everyone in your family sleeping and see yourself sleeping in you bed, altough sometime people just see a inpression in the bed where their body should be, and thats just becasue your mind cant handle the fact that part of your mind is outside of its body.

no you cant turn on or move or change anything in the real world while you are astraling.

yes if someone wakes you up while you are up astraling then you will get pulled back into your body and wake up from the astral projection.

thats about it, if you wanna no more, you can look at my form, i give my way to astral on there, and me and other ppl talk about astraling, its in this same form place, u no, under > Metaphysics, Astrology & Psychic Phenomena, the name of the form is astral projection and other people stories, or something like that. or you can try the way thats on this form, witch every works best for you. there is a lot of good info in this form but there is so many pages its hard to find it in here, but just ask anything you want and ill help you out if i can.

I've read this thread up to page 57 so far and it's been an amazing read. I have tried this twice, both with overwhelming results. I'll share my astral experiences as they come.

I'm just adding this for everyone in general, I guess.

www.astralsociety.com

I haven't signed up over there yet, but seems like a pretty awesome message board with lots of good info to read on astral/dreams-lucid and non...seems mostly geared towards astral projecting however.

Nice work lucinda, it's it great! I signed up recently. Not only are the forums good but there's a plethora of metaphysical articles.

AP Beginner Techniques: http://www.astralsociety.com/modules.php?n...cle&sid=106

Easy OBE In The Morning: http://www.astralsociety.com/modules.php?n...ticle&sid=9

Quieting The Mind: http://www.astralsociety.com/modules.php?n...icle&sid=46

Lucid Dreaming (A Gateway To AP): http://www.astralsociety.com/modules.php?n...icle&sid=73

Stable Projection Technique: http://www.astralsociety.com/modules.php?n...icle&sid=97