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nirvanic
do you know how to create one?????
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE (nirvanic demon @ Dec 21 2007, 10:35 PM) *
do you know how to create one?????


It's very simple. I would simply say, "I want to create this being, let it be made for this purpose, etc etc" And the entity would be made.
nirvanic
and can it be created on the physical?????
nirvanic
and can it be created on the physical?????
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE (nirvanic demon @ Dec 21 2007, 11:03 PM) *
and can it be created on the physical?????


Yes. I'd be veery careful with this though.. People have told me that the beings they've created have become strong and independent, and caused problems.
nirvanic
yes, i know that,i believe that when it becomes vey powerful, it is called a godform, but can you teach me how to create one on the physical?????
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE (nirvanic demon @ Dec 21 2007, 11:14 PM) *
yes, i know that,i believe that when it becomes vey powerful, it is called a godform, but can you teach me how to create one on the physical?????


No, never done it. original.gif
dannyboyjones
QUOTE (nirvanic demon @ Dec 21 2007, 11:14 PM) *
yes, i know that,i believe that when it becomes vey powerful, it is called a godform, but can you teach me how to create one on the physical?????


Careful what you wish for.. This stuff is dangerous. ph34r.gif
nirvanic
well, i'm gonna try the technice that ziggy taught me for lucid dreaming, and hope to astral project soon grin2.gif
inkblot
From Wikipedia:

Research by Olaf Blanke in Switzerland found that it is possible to reliably elicit experiences somewhat similar to the OBE by stimulating regions of the brain called the right temporal-parietal junction (TPJ; a region where the temporal lobe and parietal lobe of the brain come together). Blanke and his collaborators in Switzerland have explored the neural basis of OBEs by showing that they are reliably associated with lesions in the right TPJ region[9] and that they can be reliably elicited with electrical stimulation of this region in a patient with epilepsy.[10] These elicited experiences may include perceptions of transformations of the patient's arm and legs (complex somatosensory responses) and whole-body displacements (vestibular responses).[11][12]

In neurologically normal subjects, Blanke and colleagues then showed that the conscious experience of the self and body being in the same location depends on multisensory integration in the TPJ. Using event-related potentials, Blanke and colleagues showed the selective activation of the TPJ 330-400 ms after stimulus onset when healthy volunteers imagined themselves in the position and visual perspective that generally are reported by people experiencing spontaneous OBEs. Transcranial magnetic stimulation in the same subjects impaired mental transformation of the participant’s own body. No such effects were found with stimulation of another site or for imagined spatial transformations of external objects, suggesting the selective implication of the TPJ in mental imagery of one's own body.[13] In a follow up study, Arzy et al. showed that the location and timing of brain activation depended on whether mental imagery is performed with mentally embodied or disembodied self location. When subjects performed mental imagery with an embodied location, there was increased activation of a region called the "extrastriate body area" (EBA), but when subjects performed mental imagery with a disembodied location, as reported in OBEs, there was increased activation in the region of the TPJ. This leads Arzy et al. to argue that "these data show that distributed brain activity at the EBA and TPJ as well as their timing are crucial for the coding of the self as embodied and as spatially situated within the human body."[14]

Blanke and colleagues thus propose that the right temporal-parietal junction is important for the sense of spatial location of the self, and that when these normal processes go awry, an OBE arises.[15]


In August 2007 Blanke's lab published research in Science demonstrating that conflicting visual-somatosensory input in virtual reality could disrupt the spatial unity between the self and the body. During multisensory conflict, participants felt as if a virtual body seen in front of them was their own body and mislocalized themselves toward the virtual body, to a position outside their bodily borders.
This indicates that spatial unity and bodily self-consciousness can be studied experimentally and is based on multisensory and cognitive processing of bodily information.[16]
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE (inkblot @ Dec 22 2007, 02:56 AM) *
From Wikipedia:

Research by Olaf Blanke in Switzerland found that it is possible to reliably elicit experiences somewhat similar to the OBE by stimulating regions of the brain called the right temporal-parietal junction (TPJ; a region where the temporal lobe and parietal lobe of the brain come together). Blanke and his collaborators in Switzerland have explored the neural basis of OBEs by showing that they are reliably associated with lesions in the right TPJ region[9] and that they can be reliably elicited with electrical stimulation of this region in a patient with epilepsy.[10] These elicited experiences may include perceptions of transformations of the patient's arm and legs (complex somatosensory responses) and whole-body displacements (vestibular responses).[11][12]

In neurologically normal subjects, Blanke and colleagues then showed that the conscious experience of the self and body being in the same location depends on multisensory integration in the TPJ. Using event-related potentials, Blanke and colleagues showed the selective activation of the TPJ 330-400 ms after stimulus onset when healthy volunteers imagined themselves in the position and visual perspective that generally are reported by people experiencing spontaneous OBEs. Transcranial magnetic stimulation in the same subjects impaired mental transformation of the participant’s own body. No such effects were found with stimulation of another site or for imagined spatial transformations of external objects, suggesting the selective implication of the TPJ in mental imagery of one's own body.[13] In a follow up study, Arzy et al. showed that the location and timing of brain activation depended on whether mental imagery is performed with mentally embodied or disembodied self location. When subjects performed mental imagery with an embodied location, there was increased activation of a region called the "extrastriate body area" (EBA), but when subjects performed mental imagery with a disembodied location, as reported in OBEs, there was increased activation in the region of the TPJ. This leads Arzy et al. to argue that "these data show that distributed brain activity at the EBA and TPJ as well as their timing are crucial for the coding of the self as embodied and as spatially situated within the human body."[14]

Blanke and colleagues thus propose that the right temporal-parietal junction is important for the sense of spatial location of the self, and that when these normal processes go awry, an OBE arises.[15]


In August 2007 Blanke's lab published research in Science demonstrating that conflicting visual-somatosensory input in virtual reality could disrupt the spatial unity between the self and the body. During multisensory conflict, participants felt as if a virtual body seen in front of them was their own body and mislocalized themselves toward the virtual body, to a position outside their bodily borders.
This indicates that spatial unity and bodily self-consciousness can be studied experimentally and is based on multisensory and cognitive processing of bodily information.[16]



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I've already read this. Even if they are able to elicit a sensation somewhat similar to an OBE, it doesn't disprove the OBE phenomenon.
jcomo19
QUOTE (nirvanic demon @ Dec 22 2007, 01:13 AM) *
well, i'm gonna try the technice that ziggy taught me for lucid dreaming, and hope to astral project soon grin2.gif



hey man id listen to ziggy here and not summon any demon, they can really f### your s### up in the astral and in the real physical, i mean why would you even want to summon a demon, or have it come to the physcial? its just crazy and your gunna get yourself hurt, you might think you no what your doin my man, but you havent astraled yet, or seen or delt with em, they can very easily manipulate you and before you no it, your being controlled. i dunno man, but i dont think its ever a good idea to go around and summon demons, for any reason in the world, and if your tryin to hurt someone or haunt someone, then your def barkin down the wrong tree, its really dangerous to do stuff like that..........but do what ya want, casue say we didnt warn ya..
nirvanic
don't worry about me man, i'm going to summon a demon of the goetia, such an evocation is completely safe, when the appropriate rituals are performed:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon, you might also like, to check out a book called "the goetia"
inkblot
QUOTE
I've already read this. Even if they are able to elicit a sensation somewhat similar to an OBE, it doesn't disprove the OBE phenomenon.

SOMEWHAT similar? It is an OBE. "OBE" + lucid dream = astral projection.
Ziggy Stardust

QUOTE (inkblot @ Dec 22 2007, 09:19 PM) *
SOMEWHAT similar? It is an OBE. "OBE" + lucid dream = astral projection.




QUOTE (inkblot @ Dec 22 2007, 02:56 AM) *
From Wikipedia:

Research by Olaf Blanke in Switzerland found that it is possible to reliably elicit experiences somewhat similar to the OBE by stimulating regions of the brain called the right temporal-parietal junction




Did you post this theory because you genuinely believe it disproves the OBE phenomenon? w00t.gif

Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE (nirvanic demon @ Dec 22 2007, 04:13 PM) *
don't worry about me man, i'm going to summon a demon of the goetia, such an evocation is completely safe, when the appropriate rituals are performed:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon, you might also like, to check out a book called "the goetia"


Well, if you say so.. Let us know what happens!
nirvanic
once i achieve astral projection, hey ziggy, when was the last time you've projected?????
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (nirvanic demon @ Dec 22 2007, 10:13 AM) *
don't worry about me man, i'm going to summon a demon of the goetia, such an evocation is completely safe, when the appropriate rituals are performed:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon, you might also like, to check out a book called "the goetia"

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peps1154
QUOTE (nirvanic demon @ Dec 22 2007, 04:13 PM) *
don't worry about me man, i'm going to summon a demon of the goetia, such an evocation is completely safe, when the appropriate rituals are performed:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon, you might also like, to check out a book called "the goetia"

Just because an old book, that has already been proven wrong as to its original writer, says it is safe to summon deamons doesnt make it so. perhaps what the book has is the truth but what if its not. Well then your screwed.
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE (peps1154 @ Dec 23 2007, 01:29 AM) *
Just because an old book, that has already been proven wrong as to its original writer, says it is safe to summon deamons doesnt make it so. perhaps what the book has is the truth but what if its not. Well then your screwed.


I agree.
jcomo19
QUOTE (nirvanic demon @ Dec 22 2007, 04:13 PM) *
don't worry about me man, i'm going to summon a demon of the goetia, such an evocation is completely safe, when the appropriate rituals are performed:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon, you might also like, to check out a book called "the goetia"



i agree with what everyone else said, you cant trust every book, and if it is safe, it polly only is safe if you 100% no what you are doing, with no doubt about it, just becasue you read a book, and it kinda told you what you gotta do, doesnt mean your ready to do it and that your a 100% safe, sh** goes wrong right fast and real bad.
deadman2006
How do you choose if you want to Astral in real time or not? Do you just think about it while your astraling, like can you switch back and forth?
George Keys
QUOTE (Socrates @ Jan 25 2006, 11:09 PM) *
To some of you, the idea of astral travel, (astral projection, OBE) may seem completely insane. It did to me once too. But I decided to try it anyway, and had amazing results.

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Astral travel has been practised throughout history - and there have been thousands of documented scientific experiements confirming that astral travel is real.
People seek therapy because they 'wake up paralyzed and rigid' (sleep paralysis, a close component of astral travel) 'Wake up and see strange beings around them' (entities found in the astral plane) 'Find themselves floating or vibrating violently, or engulfed in a bright light' (sensations felt as the astral body leaves the physical body) Some people have even gone so far as to say their astral experiences are alien encounters.

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And, there are those who resent astral travel and/or refuse to beleive it is possible at all. Perhaps for one or more of the following reasons:

1. They beleive that astral experiences are actually dreams. (Wrong. Astral travel is a fully conscious experience, as thousands of people have confirmed worldwide.)

2. They beleive that those who claim to astral travel are under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol. (Wrong again. Drugs or Alcohol actually hinder astral travel. Furthermore, most people who astral travel began astral travelling at a very young age - 6 to 12.)

3. They beleive what people describe as an astral experience is actually an alien abduction. (Thrice wrong. Although, waking paralyzed, seeing strange entities, and being engulfed in a blinding white light may be likened to an alien abduction, such symptoms are components of the first stages of astral travel.)

4. They beleive people claim to be able to astral travel for publicity, money, or attention in general. (Indeed, some people may use astral travel for such a purpose, or claim that they are able to astral travel when in actuality they cannot. However, astral travel is an enlightening spiritual experience, and he or she who has astral travelled normally understands the importance of keeping such a controvertial hobby quiet. Furthermore, it is commonly known that if one astral travels for selfish or evil purposes, they are likely to find themselves attracting unpleasant entities.)

5. They beleive astral travel is evil, and a sin unto god. (A misconception. As said above, astral travel is a spiritually enlightening and developing experience, not an evil or sinful one. The bible actually talkes about astral travel on several occasions; it describes people as being "in the spirit" while receiving prophecy. Terminology of astral projection is also found in:

Ecclesiastes 12:6-12:7:

"Remember [your Creator] — before the silver cord is severed,
or the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
or the wheel broken at the well,
and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it."

The passage is talking about what happens when we die.
The silver cord this passage talks about exists when one projects. It links the physical body to the astral one. Don't worry - It can only be severed if we die in the physical world. The golden bowl refers to the 'crown chakra' the main energy center of the body, used to project. Biblical Scholars attribute these lines to astral projection or the astral body in general.

Those are some of the more common reasons people resent or refuse to beleive astral travel is possible. Hopefully I have cleared up some of the myths associated with this phenomena.

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Here is a technique for astral travel. I bluntly call it the '4 in the morning technique' I have tried many methods over the past two years, and this one had the best results. I have written it out in steps. It involves getting up at 4 o'clock in the morning - a little extra effort, but it is by far worth it. The reasons for waking up at 4 in the morning are:

- You will be drowsy and it will be easier to clear your head.
- You will drift off to sleep much faster.
- You will have gotten up for a purpose; your body and mind will be tuned to what you are trying to achieve.

A note to those who are skeptical about astral travel but still wish to try it: You must keep an open mind while attempting to project. Any negative thoughts or feelings will certainly hold you back. Stay positive, open, and willing.

The technique is as follows:

Set your alarm for 4 o'clock in the morning.

Allow yourself to drift asleep.

At four in the morning, the alarm will wake you. Get out of bed turn on the light, and splash water on your face. Dry your face with a towell.

After about two minutes, get back in bed. Lie on your back.

You will most likely be feeling groggy and tired. Your mind will be eager to get back to sleep.

Close your eyes, and clear your mind. This should be easy because you are so tired.

Now, imagine you are standing somewhere in your room. Perhaps in the far corner. Vividly see yourself standing there. Know that you are standing there, and that your body is still lying on the bed. Focus your whole mind on this concept.

While working on that, begin a simple affirmation in your head. "I am going to astral travel. I am going to leave my body." Say it in your head, over and over, while imagining you are on the other side of the room.

While you are doing this, you will begin to drift back to sleep. Slowly, your mind will begin to cloud. Make sure that the concept of standing elsewhere in your room is the last thing that goes through your mind before you are asleep.

You may experience one or more of the following sensations:

- Floating
- Sinking
- Vibrations
- A bright white/blue light
- A rushing or popping sound
- Starnge noises; someone calling your name
- A jolt

If you experience one or more of these sensations for the first time, it may be frightening. But know that they are positive signs; signs that let you know you're about to project.
Almost always, apon feeling a strange sensation, the person trying to project gets such a fright that he/she is jolted back into their body. If this happens to you, allow yourself to fall asleep and try again the next night, knowing presently that there is nothing to fear.

If you find yourself outside your body, do not stay out for too long the first time. Float about your room, become used to the physics of the astral plane, and then will yourself back into your body. You can start exploring after a 24 hour break. There may be a guide waiting for you. This guide will watch over you and take you where you please. Talk briefly with the guide, and say you will project again in 24 hours.

When 24 hours pass, you will be ready to explore and venture further than your room. You may not even have to use drifting off to sleep as a medium for astral travel.

If, after several attempts, you still have not projected, do not be detered. It is likely you will have felt some of the sensations above while trying, and this is a positive sign. You must remember that it is a matter of willpower. You can't just casually attempt to project in a one-off scenario. Think about astral travel throughout the day. Buy a book on astral travel. Attempt to astral travel everynight. Eventually, I gurantee, you will get out.

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That's all I have time for at the moment. If you have any questions about the technique I listed, or about astral travel or the astral plane, send me a PM. I will be happy to help.

Hey I tryed to project my self last night but nothing happen, I'll keep trying. But something happened last night my kids seen a spirt, and it was messing with one of them. It was putting it's hands in one of my sons hair when he was trying to sleep. It happened in thier room. I just thought it was weird because of what I was trying to do last night. My son was crying because he got scared, and he's 14 yrs old. Any other sugestions on how to be better prepared to astral Travel?? Thanks,
George
Gkeys55@aol.com
Sporkling
try to rush up to that ghost and bellow what do you think you are doing.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (George Keys @ Dec 23 2007, 12:23 PM) *
Hey I tryed to project my self last night but nothing happen, I'll keep trying. But something happened last night my kids seen a spirt, and it was messing with one of them. It was putting it's hands in one of my sons hair when he was trying to sleep. It happened in thier room. I just thought it was weird because of what I was trying to do last night. My son was crying because he got scared, and he's 14 yrs old. Any other sugestions on how to be better prepared to astral Travel?? Thanks,
George
Gkeys55@aol.com

Imagination is a powerful thing for a kid.
emurphy
A few yrs ago I was tryin different techniques to do an OBE.... But it never worked... I will try ur technique...... But i have something to ask..... Sometimes when i go to sleep.. I will all of a sudden feel like im falling... and my body will jump... There was a few times where I seen myself walking on a sidewalk and there was a cliff at the end of the sidewalk and i fell off... but i havent had that in a while ive just been jumping.. and it only happens once.. Do u have any idea what it is?

Thanks!

Elaina
boze
I had an OBE today, although it was a very short one....I was positive I was Out-of-Body.

I laid down after a busy day of last minute shopping to try and take a small nap and decided to listen to some binaural tracks I have to help me relax a little better. I have had success with some CD's getting "vibrations" but I could never accomplish an exit due to the fact that I can't relax myself enough while laying on my back. So, anyway, I loaded a Brainwave CD into winamp---the "Deep Meditation" CD, It has ambient music laid over theta waves, with no guided vocals on it. I listened to that for about 30 minutes, and then took the headphones of because I started feeling groggy.

I shifted positions and ended up falling asleep on my stomach. And I woke up about an hour later, long enough to look at my alarm clock and to notice a blue screen coming from my computer monitor, and a bright blue hue to everything in the room--(I have a large LCD TV that doubles for my monitor, and there is no energy saver on it, so when the computer is inactive, such as no mouse movement or typing on the keyboard, it goes to a bright blue screen until I shut it off---this has significance later...) Anyway...I have had success before with the technique of waking up out of sleep, and shifting positions to achieve OBE.

Basically, your body is already relaxed because you are groggy coming out of sleep, so I shifted positions and had it in my mind to try to maintain awareness while "falling" back into sleep mode. It took all of 30 seconds to look at my clock and around the room, shift positions on my side, and close my eyes again with the thought of OBE'ing on my mind. I swear....it seemed almost instantaneous that I felt "Vibrations" come on...heavy ones, It violently shook my body...enough to freak me out and try to move my body, but sleep paralysis had took over already---my mind---fully conscious, was almost paniced. But then I remembered that this is normal and I settled down and relaxed with it and let the vibration stage take control.

With my eyes still closed and vibrations shooting in violent wavelike patterns through my body---I kept attempting the rollout---that's when, laying down in your bed, and you attempt to roll over and fall out of your bed onto the floor. I kept attempting this---sleep paralysis will keep you from moving your body, so it doesn't matter how hard you try to rollout--when your astral body is ready---you will definently know, because you will roll with force because your body is fluidlike in motion. After several attempts, eyes still closed, vibrations still strong, I was flung out-of-body and rolled. I did not hit anything---so I know I was successful.

The vibrations dissipated, and I felt fluid-like. Sort of like I was in the deep end of a pool, underwater--sort of. I dunno---hard to explain. I opened up my eyes and I still saw the blueish hue coming from my TV and the blue hue it gave to the room, everything was disorienting, it took a few moments but everything came in focus. I was astonished! I looked around my bedroom and all I saw were colors everywhere....the blue screen from my TV was emitting a spectrum of colors---and in turn reflecting that same spectrum throughout my bedroom. I looked around in awe at all the colors my TV was putting out and colors coming from every corner of my room. It was rather nice! Then I noticed the body laying in my familiar bed.

I looked down and saw myself, and that's when I was tugged violently back into my body, I felt a slam back onto the bed---as if someone had picked me up about three foot off of the bed and dropped me.That hard. I immeadiatly sat up, grinning from ear to ear, knowing I just had an OBE.
psychicpowersarenice
QUOTE (emurphy @ Dec 23 2007, 11:36 PM) *
A few yrs ago I was tryin different techniques to do an OBE.... But it never worked... I will try ur technique...... But i have something to ask..... Sometimes when i go to sleep.. I will all of a sudden feel like im falling... and my body will jump... There was a few times where I seen myself walking on a sidewalk and there was a cliff at the end of the sidewalk and i fell off... but i havent had that in a while ive just been jumping.. and it only happens once.. Do u have any idea what it is?

Thanks!

Elaina



OH



MY



GOD


!!!!!!!!!!!!


That falling thing is EXACTLY what happens to me! It's so weird

I'd love to hear an explanation for it as well


Wow I love this forum original.gif
psychicpowersarenice
QUOTE (boze @ Dec 24 2007, 09:31 PM) *
I had an OBE today, although it was a very short one....I was positive I was Out-of-Body.

I laid down after a busy day of last minute shopping to try and take a small nap and decided to listen to some binaural tracks I have to help me relax a little better. I have had success with some CD's getting "vibrations" but I could never accomplish an exit due to the fact that I can't relax myself enough while laying on my back. So, anyway, I loaded a Brainwave CD into winamp---the "Deep Meditation" CD, It has ambient music laid over theta waves, with no guided vocals on it. I listened to that for about 30 minutes, and then took the headphones of because I started feeling groggy.

I shifted positions and ended up falling asleep on my stomach. And I woke up about an hour later, long enough to look at my alarm clock and to notice a blue screen coming from my computer monitor, and a bright blue hue to everything in the room--(I have a large LCD TV that doubles for my monitor, and there is no energy saver on it, so when the computer is inactive, such as no mouse movement or typing on the keyboard, it goes to a bright blue screen until I shut it off---this has significance later...) Anyway...I have had success before with the technique of waking up out of sleep, and shifting positions to achieve OBE.

Basically, your body is already relaxed because you are groggy coming out of sleep, so I shifted positions and had it in my mind to try to maintain awareness while "falling" back into sleep mode. It took all of 30 seconds to look at my clock and around the room, shift positions on my side, and close my eyes again with the thought of OBE'ing on my mind. I swear....it seemed almost instantaneous that I felt "Vibrations" come on...heavy ones, It violently shook my body...enough to freak me out and try to move my body, but sleep paralysis had took over already---my mind---fully conscious, was almost paniced. But then I remembered that this is normal and I settled down and relaxed with it and let the vibration stage take control.

With my eyes still closed and vibrations shooting in violent wavelike patterns through my body---I kept attempting the rollout---that's when, laying down in your bed, and you attempt to roll over and fall out of your bed onto the floor. I kept attempting this---sleep paralysis will keep you from moving your body, so it doesn't matter how hard you try to rollout--when your astral body is ready---you will definently know, because you will roll with force because your body is fluidlike in motion. After several attempts, eyes still closed, vibrations still strong, I was flung out-of-body and rolled. I did not hit anything---so I know I was successful.

The vibrations dissipated, and I felt fluid-like. Sort of like I was in the deep end of a pool, underwater--sort of. I dunno---hard to explain. I opened up my eyes and I still saw the blueish hue coming from my TV and the blue hue it gave to the room, everything was disorienting, it took a few moments but everything came in focus. I was astonished! I looked around my bedroom and all I saw were colors everywhere....the blue screen from my TV was emitting a spectrum of colors---and in turn reflecting that same spectrum throughout my bedroom. I looked around in awe at all the colors my TV was putting out and colors coming from every corner of my room. It was rather nice! Then I noticed the body laying in my familiar bed.

I looked down and saw myself, and that's when I was tugged violently back into my body, I felt a slam back onto the bed---as if someone had picked me up about three foot off of the bed and dropped me.That hard. I immeadiatly sat up, grinning from ear to ear, knowing I just had an OBE.



Everyone keeps talking about this rolling out of body thing

But both times I semi-consciously APed, I always "swam" out of my body. I think I remember the 2nd time when I was struggling to get out again, I tried to get myself to "roll" onto the floor, but my arms and legs just kept "swimming" out of me ha
Donmar
I want to have an OBE, it would totally give my life meaning!
I'll try it, but it may take some preperation (sleep from 12-12 kinda makes it hard to get up at FOUR! sleepy.gif).
I may have to try several times.....
It just occured to me: What if all of you are lying?!
Thats a depressing thought. dontgetit.gif
Nighty-Night UM sleepy.gif!
I'm off to catch some z's!
And have a Very Merry Christmas!
Sporkling
why would it give your life meaning?
Donmar
I had to come back to read the instructions again sleepy.gif
It would give my life meaning because I am on information overload and this would make it so that I would be able to research something other than my homework, which is often repetitive, and find a way to make my life much less boring. I read a lot of fantasy novels, and just once I would like to act out the part of the main character, not the lousy stableboy that gets mentioned once and is passed by.
wink2.gif who wouldn't?
Donmar
A question (Don't know if it's been asked and answered...):
Is there anything particular you should wear?
I would think that having an out of body experience in your underwear would be a bit - embarassing.
Thanks!
Now that I've read the instructions like a bajillion times, I'm going to bed!
Sporkling
ok how about santa? a research
boze
QUOTE (cryingwoe @ Dec 25 2007, 03:07 AM) *
why would it give your life meaning?



I know this is not directed at me, but I can say that that for me, having an OBE has changed the way I look at things, I grew up in Christianity, but never had an experience to prove that what I had faith in was real. I was at a point that I was really starting to believe that there is nothing after you die...you just died and that was it. Having a conscious OBE proved to me that there is something else after this life to look forward to---and being positive or negative has a big part of how your going to live it. Like attracts like---Good brings good---evil attracts evil.

Now I don't know what it really is or what religion is the right way to go, or if it's of religion at all----all I know that it IS something. I can still count my experiences Out-of-Body on both hands, and each time was different--from a "demon" or neg. entity encounter, to flying around above my neighborhood---it definently has a spiritual essence to it. I know it isn't Lucid dream or a overactive imagination---some maybe skeptics---but who cares? It's what I believe not anyone else...

It gives life meaning---it makes me think before I act, because I know for a fact there is something after this life is over and what I do now effects my outcome later.
jcomo19
QUOTE (boze @ Dec 25 2007, 04:56 AM) *
I know this is not directed at me, but I can say that that for me, having an OBE has changed the way I look at things, I grew up in Christianity, but never had an experience to prove that what I had faith in was real. I was at a point that I was really starting to believe that there is nothing after you die...you just died and that was it. Having a conscious OBE proved to me that there is something else after this life to look forward to---and being positive or negative has a big part of how your going to live it. Like attracts like---Good brings good---evil attracts evil.

Now I don't know what it really is or what religion is the right way to go, or if it's of religion at all----all I know that it IS something. I can still count my experiences Out-of-Body on both hands, and each time was different--from a "demon" or neg. entity encounter, to flying around above my neighborhood---it definently has a spiritual essence to it. I know it isn't Lucid dream or a overactive imagination---some maybe skeptics---but who cares? It's what I believe not anyone else...

It gives life meaning---it makes me think before I act, because I know for a fact there is something after this life is over and what I do now effects my outcome later.



what happened with your encounter with demons??????
nirvanic
ziggy, just a question, is it possible to bring things from the astral to the physical or vice versa?????
Vilius
I think its possible but realllllly hard.
Metacom
QUOTE (nirvanic demon @ Dec 22 2007, 12:13 PM) *
don't worry about me man, i'm going to summon a demon of the goetia, such an evocation is completely safe, when the appropriate rituals are performed:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lesser_Key_of_Solomon, you might also like, to check out a book called "the goetia"



And here I thought this forum was pretty much dead last time I left. I decide to check in case of anything new & to my amazement someone is actually talking about wanting to summon a demon. HOLY SHATTNER! I have got to ask, how the hell could anything convince you that summoning a demon is safe?

I'd say its like playing with fire, but its more like playing with fire while your doused with gasoline.
Metacom
Ziggy, I still cant seem to get to a point of conscious sleep paralysis. (I did get to subconscious sleep paralysis again & am sure I was going to project from the lucid dream but as soon as I realized I was likely going to project something "evil" was there & tried to choke me). Anyway, do you think maybe my being an exceptionally light sleeper be hindering my progress? I can never seem to hit a very deep sleep physically.

Mentioned the evil & sleep paralysis because I believe I recall you asking about that awhile ago.
Repoman
QUOTE (peps1154 @ Dec 22 2007, 08:29 PM) *
Just because an old book, that has already been proven wrong as to its original writer, says it is safe to summon deamons doesnt make it so.
It is 100% safe to perform the demon-summoning rituals because THERE IS NO SUCH THING as demons.

If any disaffected modern-day slacker could just hokus-pokus and suddenly they have a magical demon that will do whatever they want - DON'T YOU THINK THE WORLD WOULD BE A LOT DIFFERENT?
Why go to work? Just have your demon rob a bank for you.

Oh, and those jerks and vibrations and stuff you feel when trying to "astral project" - that is a result of an active brain fighting against the loss of consciousness of sleep.

This is a great thread though. Why is it easier to "astral project" when you are sleepy?

Lucid dreaming doesn't mean you are walking around some astral plane.

Does this "disprove" astral projection? No. Because nothing can ever disprove something that can't be shown to even exist!

Why do you think there are still people in this world that believe in angels, demons and gods?

Can I disprove the existance of a living 40 pound purple turd that lives at the center of the earth? No.
And that is about where "astral projection" deserves to be.
nirvanic
grin2.gif well sorry, maybe you don't believe in demons but i do because i have a relegion, anyway, the demons that appear in the triangle, when performing these rituals are merely the projections of one's mind, they are not real demons they are projected hallucinations, hallucinations that can help you do things, but they can/you can hurt you or kill you though!!!!!
Halofrost
I still haven't been able to project. I feel like I know how to do it, I just can't achieve it... been almost 2 weeks now of trying, which is fine with me, but once I cross the 1 month threshold, if I still can't achieve them consciously or for very long, or achieve them at all, then I'm going to start losing faith in this.

I might note... there's a friend of mine who is extremely skilled at projecting who I have no contact with and lives hundreds of miles from me now. One of my primary motives for projecting now is to see him in the astral realm. He's the one who started me on astroprojection - and aside from me needing to discuss a few things with him, it'd make him quite happy - and surprised - to see his old friend achieving projection.

So, for me, astroprojection is not just a WANT, it's now a NEED. For my health, and for my friend.
AllP0werToSlaves
Every time I try, I feel like I'm getting closer.
Halofrost
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Every time I try, I feel like I'm getting closer.


Somehow, I feel the same. Yet, I'm doubtful, which I shouldn't be. I think I'm expecting too much too quickly out of myself, I don't feel like waiting a whole day through just so I can attempt projection again after a previous night's failed attempt.
GypsyWolf
Apparently I am AP'ing out of my house and into the road. My neighbors are freaking... or dreaming, I don't recall doing it.
sephiroth976
QUOTE (nirvanic demon @ Dec 26 2007, 09:18 PM) *
ziggy, just a question, is it possible to bring things from the astral to the physical or vice versa?????

I believe its called materializing, but im not sure if i believe its ture... i heard of stories before that random stuff can appear in haunted places (things thats not yours and you dont know where came from) but i personally dont think its possible... at least not through astral projection.
SpaceCadet
I haven't been on for a few month's now, and I hate it when that happens, when I stick to some other forums for a while..and then have a change..meh.
Well anyway, I want to ask, Ziggy, is there any reason why I haven't been able to get any of the feelings I did before?
The last time I posted on this thread I mentioned feeling vibrations in my legs and some other stuff, well since then, whenever I've tried (not that much) to astral travel, nothing anymore..

?
VaporTrail2112
Cool a forum about this. I believe that I've had quite a few OBE's (maybe around 30 my entire life, I'm 20), and reading this topic, I'd have to say I agree very much w/ the topic creator on how to do this. Most of mine have been after waking up in the middle of the night or early in the morning. I had my latest one two nights ago.

Much of the time, when I attempt to do this, I get stuck w/ paralysis or I cannot see anything. I think I finally figured out the secret to getting out of this last time, though. Usually when I first get into it, I'm not really sure whether I'm dreaming or what, but I sort of realize that I could be trying to project myself out of my body. The only reason it usually doesn't work, is because I believe that if I'm gonna open my eyes, I'll wake up. Well I just shouted to myself to open my eyes, and I could see my room, but I was still stuck in my body. So to get out of this, I tried to fly straight up and out, but it rarely works for me. So then I tried getting out of my bed, and that seemed to have broken the paralysis.

Then I thought to myself, "hell yeah, I'm doing it again, let's go somewhere cool," And everything turned black for a second and I usually hear a vibrating/wooshing sound (this is what always happens to me when I project to somewhere else). When I was able to see again, I was floating above my neighborhood and trying to figure out moving around and what have you.

I didn't really see much, just some kid walking down the street, but he didn't respond to anything I said.

I really need to learn to control this more, as these "dreams" are among the most fascinating moments in my life and I really want to explore this unknown world further.
Vilius
QUOTE (OurHauntedKingdom @ Jan 3 2008, 01:01 PM) *
I haven't been on for a few month's now, and I hate it when that happens, when I stick to some other forums for a while..and then have a change..meh.
Well anyway, I want to ask, Ziggy, is there any reason why I haven't been able to get any of the feelings I did before?
The last time I posted on this thread I mentioned feeling vibrations in my legs and some other stuff, well since then, whenever I've tried (not that much) to astral travel, nothing anymore..


I had that happen to me - the first time i tried AP i saw bright lights , felt extreme vibrations and heard weird sounds after that *poof* (lol) nothing but i didnt give up and now im even better then that. I'm not really sure what causes this but this can happen in different ways too for example i dream't very interesting dreams but i did some bad things and they disappeared i did some good things yesterday and im more happy , get more psychic experience in general and dream more interesting things again tongue.gif. Anyways the point is dont give up and be good tongue.gif
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