So I wasn't able to get on my computer for a while...but I had 2 interesting possible AP experiences over my Holiday break.

The first one was really weird.

So I dreamed I was hovering basically on my stomach an inch or so from the floor, flying/swimming around, but then I guess I realized I was dreaming and swam out of my dream body. I thought about how I might want to go to a higher plane, and I think I maybe asked if my spirit guide was there, but I'm not sure.

Then I somehow made my way over to my door, and you see I'd never tried to go through a solid thing before, so as I went through it, I got slower and it was harder to swim through it, but when I got to the other side, it wasn't my house on the other end.

Instead I was at this fuzzy-ish dreamlike white large palace/mansion place, where all the walls seemed to be like white marble. There were some people there I think, and I got to the edge of the upper level where I could see the large first floor before me, and there were like 2 very shallow pool things of water there, and I jumped from the 2nd floor down to try and land in a pool, because there was no balcony or railing.

But I was gonna miss the pools and land on the floor, so I made myself like bounce instead of crash onto the floor, and myself and some other random guy who was there helped me bounce into a pool.

Then the rest is really weird and dreamlike, and this is where I questione if it was really an AP experience. The next thing I remember, I was getting my animal form or something, and it was a flamingo apparently, and I bounced as a flamingo down an elegant wooden brown hallway, and then came to a place which had a few rooms, one of which was an office with elegant wooden bookshelves where a man was talking with a woman, and the woman apparently didn't like what she was hearing.

I wanted to ask the guy if I was being right morally in my life, because for some reason I knew that this was the type of guy he was. I remember thinking how this was important and I didn't want to wake up before I met with the guy, and as I started to think that, I realized I could feel my real body's hands, but I hung on and stayed in the dream state. But I got out of my animal form and went into this bathroom to wash my hands first, and then went into the office. But I think he thought there was another issue in my life way more important than whether I was being kind enough, because he already knew I was very kind. I remember he said to me something like "oh, what am I going to tell you?"

Somehow he turned the office and the wall behind him into a type of place that looked like a movie rental place, with tons of movie cases behind him. He picked out 3 and I knew what they were about, even tho I'd never seen them before. In one the main character fell in love or something with someone and got most everything he'd wanted, and ended up very happy. In another, the main character didn't end up with anyone, but was still very happy. I don't remember what the 3rd was about.

But anyway, this was exactly the issue that I needed to deal with, and after that he and his office disappeared and the shelves that the movies had been on turned into shelves for popular candies, and I ate a special KitKat bar because I can't eat real candy in real life because I'm a vegan, and I knew that I was dreaming, so I ate as much as I could before I woke up

And there were other people there at the candy place too, I distinctly remember an older man and his daughter or granddaughter.


Anyway, some of this was very weird, but it did seem like an AP at the beginning at least, any opinions haha?

I might post about the 2nd one later.

sorry double post tried to delete

Interesting, the exact thing happened to me & it seemed we were at about the same place last time I saw you here. I was getting the vibrations & starting to "see" white noise, (like watching a tv not hooked to a receiver. Than next thing you know I wasn't able to get anywhere for about a month or so.

However, about 3 weeks ago I went back to the basics w/ meditation, than tried AP again. I had three lucid "dreams" where I was with my departed girlfriend but we were both in what seems to be a basic description of an astral body just sitting together. (the odd part about these was that I left the dream-like dream, than went to these lucid sections with her, than back to the dream-like dream) There were also some other of these unusual dreams, some positive some negative, but all these occurring over a very short period of time, & all occurring only after seriously attempting AP again.

Over the past 2 weeks I've actually gotten far better at invoking sleep paralysis; better than ever. I probably haven't actually been successful because it takes along time to get my body asleep while my mind is awake. After about an hour or so I realize I actually need to sleep so I can work the next day. On the other note, I no longer get the swaying or vibrations anymore. & I never see the fuzz that I used to see.

Sleep paralysis freaked me out this morning, so much so that I wasn't able to fully AP when I really believe I could've. : /

I hadn't gotten sleep paralysis for gosh knows how long, so at first I went with it and got my hands and arms out of my body and I think maybe even my leg, but then I started trying to fight it, partially because I thought I could hear something saying "die die die," but that might've just been my own worries playing tricks on me.

you know the bold part is so true, when i was about 7 or 8 my mom used to put me to bed. i used to stand and she used to take the duvet and roll it around me, the i used to hop into bed, lying like that the whole night. well one night i could feel that im standing up, not covered in the duvet and then went into my parents room(actually standing at the door) and looking at them. then the next moment my mom was in my room terrified asking me if i was standing in the door, and to her suprise i was all tucked in the duvet so there is no way i could have gotten myself into my duvet so fast and without my moms help. that freaked us out. so i must honestly say that that is true.

Hey friend, yeah I must admit, I DO remember about posting on here back when you did about our experiences and Ziggy replying to us!
I'm going to bed in a minute and I'm going to relax and try to Astral travel (I haven't tried properly for a while now!).
I'll report back on here tomorrow hopefully.
I hope I have another breakthrough..

peace!

OH! p.s Its me OurHauntedKingdom...I changed my username and avatar!
lol.

I've been under so much stress I can't concentrate but a few days ago I had a lucid dream then I found my elf suspended above my body I always go to the ceiling and a back most times, I'm trying to work on this.

I remember having the exact same thoughts and feelings as you. However, the more I researched the OBE phenomena and why we have them, the more I began to doubt its implications.

The following is an example of doubt and not meant to discourage, but only to open our minds to alternate avenues of thinking:

We're like bats explaining fire. We know it's there, but we can't see it. We can sense its presence when near, but our sonar passes right through it. We discuss its strangeness with other creatures like ourselves. Yet, humans find it so easy to understand, they can guide its destination using radar.

Dying is no sure-fire method for understand anything. But if we are to understand OBEs, we may have to become something that we're not. OBEs to a human are like fire to a bat. What is normal for one is paranormal for the other. OBEs are normal and may be quite natural for all life forms throughout the universe. If so, then religion may also be universal. However, if OBEs are not proof of an afterlife, then the majority of religions, on this planet and elsewhere, may be based on a simple misunderstanding.

There are many good reasons to have an OBE, and all of them are based solely on the laws of preservation. If life survived after death, why would it go to such extremes to remain physically alive? OBEs were designed for one purpose -- to determine the means by which one dies or could die. If we don't survive to learn from it and warn others about it, we may be destined to warn others as residual ghosts. Is that our lot in life?

Alternatively Thinking,
St Q

Just a quick note. I've not read this entire thread (because it's MASSIVE) But a few years ago I "accidently" projected. I don't know if my spirit was leaving my body (it certainley felt like that) or if it was electrical impulses in my brain giving the sensation, or what (I'm a bit of a skeptic too) I didn't comepletely leave my body (I got freaked out and started concentrating on wiggling my toes to return to my body) It FELT like I rose about 2 or 3 inches out of my body, before I snapped myself out of it.

I have tried to re-experience this, and although I've not "left" my body since, I've experienced the feelings leading up to it (feeling numb, feeling like my head is dropping back) And I have found that these experiences are a lot easier to acheive after masturbation/sex... after an orgasm I guess. I'm working on seeing them through so I can fully astral project.

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this (as I've not read the entire thread) but I would consider an orgasm a valuable tool in trying to project. Of course this is from a woman's point of veiw, so it may not work for males.

omg!

i was very skeptical of this at first, but thought: lets give it a try. so i "lowered" my logic to force myself into beleiving that this would work. so i got up at 1 am, closed my eyes, pictured myself in the corner of the room, and repeated the lines, "i am going to astral project, i am going to leave my body" in my head. i tried this for an hour, no results. the next few days i decided to give it another try. i did the exact same thing, but at 11 pm at night. after about an hour of nothing, i began getting upset at myself for wasting the time, but decided to try a bit longer. a few minutes (i think) later, POP!. i heard a "popping" noise go off. just after i got a bit scared, but thought "ok, this must be working" and continued. after that i had the weirdest "cold vibrating" sensation on my face and more strongly on my torso. it felt like something had caught a hold of me and shaking me with its cold hand... thats the only way i can describe it. shortly after i saw white and blue lights all over... i got really scared, and then woke up. thats it. i didnt leave my body, i didnt jump off the diving board. did i do something wrong? what can i do to fix this?

thats unsusual....

my father told me this same thing happened to him (once only) after he got back from the hospital and layed in his own bed...

hmmm, I really need to try Astral Travel, I think I've done it twice unintentionally, most resent time was a couple of days ago, it really scared me.

I think I'll give it a try tonight.

I would like to ask, why is it scary to astral project?

It's hard to explain you just get imbued with the
essence of fear. Like if you walk alone through
the woods at night.

Due to evolution, we fear that which we do not know or understand. Our ancestors who were unafraid of the unknown often died before having children, so they were unable to breed offspring who were genetically as fearless as themselves. Therefore, they are extinct. Those who fear the unknown are still here.

OBEs are nothing to fear, but because they are unfamiliar to us, we fear them just the same. If we encounter anything "bad" or "evil" while projected, it is most likely this unnecessary instinctual fear that has caused it in the first place.

During my first OBE, I was sure that I had died. I was 16 years old and had no previous knowledge of OBEs and NDEs. Though I don't have any past memories of death, the knowledge of it somehow seemed obvious. I worried about my mother and how bad she was going to feel about the death of her son. I also knew that I was to going meet an authoritative figure with whom I had to answer to about my death. I can only describe this feeling as being similar to the feeling that I had during my first trip to the principle's office when I was in grade school. I had no other past events in my life that I could relate with this.

If we had conscious OBEs all the time, we would eventually desensitize ourselves to fear and possibly to death itself, which is by nature not a good thing. Every OBE is a possible death that hasn't yet been discovered. If you're out-n-about and suddenly find yourself passing through a dark tunnel with a light at the end, your OBE is actually a NDE or death. As Robert Monroe once said, "Everyone will have an out-of-body experience once."

well, because at the time I didn't know what was happening, and the first time it happened I was about 12. later on I heard about astral projection, and what happens.

sounds like me, first time I was like 12-14, cant remember exactly. But at the time, I believed aliens were doing experiments on me because i could not move and felt some presece etc.

Later on, I found out about sleep paralysis and hallucinations that are often part of that.

Then I discovered Astral projection, and started practising it.

More than a decade later, I'm still doing so, and it has led me to a path of amazing adventures and explorations, deep insights, knowledge and spiritual understanding.

Hail the Divine

Yea, me too...Like sometimes, when I am falling asleep and my mind is just empty, I will hear my name get called....or sometimes all of a sudden when im about asleep, I'll like all of a sudden kick my legs and jolt up...I dont know why...

Yea, me too...Like sometimes, when I am falling asleep and my mind is just empty, I will hear my name get called....or sometimes all of a sudden when im about asleep, I'll like all of a sudden kick my legs and jolt up...I dont know why...

Hey,

This is my first time posting on these boards, last night I couldn't sleep and came across this massive thread. I sat there for two hours reading from the beginning to about a year into the post. I became so interested in astral projection that I decided to give it a shot. I decided to follow Socrates' instructions as closely as possible and set my alarm for 4 am. When it went off, I got up, washed my face, and laid back down. The very first thing I noticed after completely relaxing and lying there, eyes shut, was that I couldn't seem to forget my actual physical body easily. I tried picturing myself across the room to the left of where I was actually lying, and found that I had a harder time doing that than if I pictured myself laying face up against the ceiling or standing directly at the foot of the bed.

I heard no noises, no voices, pops, felt no jolts, etc. BUT I did begin to feel a feeling of what can only be described as ecstasy. It felt (pardon the use here), as if i were in some kind of prolonged climax of an orgasm, only in a nonsexual way if that makes sense. I did almost feel as though I were beginning to enter the body I was picturing on the ceiling a couple times...well, not even almost. Part that I had the hardest time with was the knowledge of my physical body, and the common sense reaction of having been in this body for 26 years; it seemed to me hard to get past it....just when I thought it was getting really intense and i thought i was almost there, id feel my stomach rumble or realize that my eyes had moved and bam I'd feel my back against the bed just as before. The only real SOUND I heard was as the ecstatic feeling increased, It was almost like a mixture of my ears ringing after a loud noise or sudden complete silence, and a loud "WHOOOSH" that was constant until getting so loud it was almost deafening. As this happened, I got the feeling of only what I guess could be described as butterflies in my chest, instead of stomach...like a tightening of the chest...which actually, I felt was also bringing me back to my physical body, because it was a physical feeling. It was quite incredible, but the fact of being a rational, skeptical person I feel may be hindering me. I've never seen a ghost, UFO, had any kind of paranormal experience to speak of, but I have always had an extreme interest in these things....Perhaps if I had, I'd have an easier time accepting the fact, and not having something in the back of my head the whole time saying "this is stupid, for whackos..." etc.

How do I get past this? I have the feeling that when I try it again tonight, the same thing is probably going to happen. I'm going to have a VERY hard time concentrating on being the guy on the ceiling, and not the guy on the bed. Socrates, you seem like a very rational and down to earth person, which is actually why I have decided to try your method. I had heard of this astral projection before, but I thought previously that it was something that took years to accomplish, not days or weeks. I am absolutely enthralled with the idea of this, and hope to actually achieve it. For some reason, I have the feeling it will give me insight into who I am, and perhaps quiet my mind a bit, which is MUCH needed.

While there are many similarities to it's overall onset, I think the initial experience, success rate, and troubleshooting can vary from person to person as much as they do geneticly. I think the author of Soul Traveler himself experiences a 70% success rate(the highest i've heard) but what he describes upon initial projection is nothing like what I experience. I'm very lucky to have what I call, pre-cursors that sort of happen when it's possible on a given night to AP. At this point I can choose to either project or to just drift further and eventually just dream. For me, the separation is precisely consistent each and every time it happens. I know just what to expect so there's no cause for panic of any kind. One note of interest however. I sleep with eye covers and when I project, my astral body still has them on and I have to remove them every time! Wierd, I know. But the shocking thing has been when I do remove them, I could be anywhere and some of the places are starkly odd and somewhat frightening to say the least! Fun stuff. I welcome and am inspired by deeply visual nightmares and dream oddities alike. I do also have to point out that many times when in mid-projection, it's indistinguishable from any other dream experience at that point with the only difference being, i'm in flight. I still certainly feel it is a safe, worthwhile and positive highlight to any given evening.

Hey guys im going to.. err i dunno the english word but.. im going to the hospital and theyre gonna give me a mask and when i breath in it il fall asleep... lol.. dunno what its called in english anyway i have a question id like a fast reply on, is it possible to use this opportunity to try and astral project or having an OBE? i need a fast reply cause im going to bed in 2 hours and im going to the hospital first thing in the morning... id really like to know if i could use this seeing as it will be easy to keep focused on something the moment i fall asleep.

Just before they sedate you, think of nothing else but leaving your body and the OBEs that you've had before. Replay them in your mind from beginning to end over and over. If they want you to count backwards, say, "I will project 100, I will project 99, I will project 98..."

Also, bare in mind that drugs and anesthesia mixed with the fear of dying can trick the brain into initiating the death process. So, if you're afraid that you might die, that too could help.

Good luck on your procedure and experiment. Post us when you get back.

Thanks for the reply, il try it out and post back tomorrow also theres nothing serious so i doubt il have the fear of dying

I am having some truly amazing results with hemi-sync from the monroe institue.
I finally astral projected through them.

Hey i just wanted to tell you guys it did not go as well as planned -.-' i honestly cant remember if i even had a dream.. well i personally thing its better to try it when i go to sleep i guess its a lot more comfortable too

The ability to dream, or at least remember dreaming, is sometimes possible during general anesthesia. However, you may have been completely unconscious during the entire procedure.

Only about 22% of the population report dreaming while under general anesthesia. As a rule of thumb, surgery patients are not expected to dream or remember dreaming. Patients who do remember dreaming are often concerned that the anesthesiologist didn't put them far enough under.

The most common inhaled anesthesias are nitrous oxide, sevoflurane, desflurane, isoflurane and halothane. To remember anything during your procedure, your consciousness or soul would most likely have to leave the confines of your unconscious body, or more specifically, your drug-induced brain and nervous system.

Those who report dreaming while under general anesthesia may have entered the Astral Plane and were completely unaware that they had left their bodies. Coincidentally, their percentage (22%) is very close to the percentage of the general population who have had OBEs.

Thanks for the info it was not really a surgery though, it was just to fix my teeth as i hate the dentist.. yeah i really really cant stand it.. anyway i really did not feel comfortable trying to project while trying to breath in that horrible gas, i tried to think "i am going to project, i am going to leave my body" while picturing myself looking down at myself in the chair but my thoughts were kinda mixed with the hard to breath thoughts, i really dont think its the best way to try and project

Also as i said i have no idea what the english word for whatever they drugged me with is as they have completely different names here.

Again thanks for the info

Hey, I've continued to attempt to succeed in astral travel since my first post, but am still hoping for some feedback on it. Does anyone know what happened to Socrates? He hasn't been on since Christmas, and his email doesn't work. Could someone take a look at my first post, a bit up this page that knows something about Astral Travel? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

You're welcome, but most of that info came from 2 or 3 different websites.

I've had intravenous injections of sodium pentathol (truth serum) prior to two separate dental surgeries, but I've never received an inhaled anesthesia for any reason.

After receiving the first injection, I lost consciousness within 3 seconds, but somehow managed to carry on conversations with the dentist and his two female assistants during the entire procedure.

After it was over, which to my conscious reality was only 1 or 2 seconds later, the dentist asked me if I knew anyone with the initials "MM". I told him that those were my girlfriend's initials. He said that I wanted him to sew them into my gums. Of course for proper suturing, this request would most likely only work for the letters "MM", "WW", "XX" and "ZZ". I'd like to think that I'm creative, but my conscious mind alone is not like that. In other words, it wasn't me, not totally.

Regardless of what a neurologist or anesthesiologist might say, I believe that my subconscious mind was acting totally separate and independent of my conscious mind with absolutely no communication between the two.

We could easily have subconscious OBEs every single night of our lives and not remember a single one. This could be the one and only main reason that we and other animals sleep. I also believe that when we don't sleep, our subconscious minds give us nine kinds of hell.

EDIT: Those in boldface.

Welcome to Unexplained Mysteries, Sliver! Socrates is now Ziggy Stardust. You should be able to find more of his posts under his new name.

My only suggestion to you is to be patient and keep practicing. Bare in mind that no one method works for everyone. You have to experiment with several, possibly combining two or more, until you find the technique that's right for you.

I've read several books that I either bought or checked out from different libraries. If a library doesn't stock a book that you want, they can borrow it from another library world-wide. Reading a chapter every night and practicing the author's techniques before falling asleep will give you every opportunity to explorer the diversity of many different techniques, as well as conditioning your mind on a subconscious level. Discussing OBEs with other people, especially those who have projected before, will accomplish the same thing. Obviously, that is why we're here, but conversing personally, face-to-face with experienced people has a much stronger impact on your psyche.

In my sophomore year at high school, I had a history teacher who had retired from the Air Force. One morning, he explained a relaxation technique that they used quite often. Imagine lying on your back with 50-lb weights strapped on top of your ankles and try to lift them. You will strain the muscles in your legs and lift your feet a few inches off the ground. Now, imagine an aircraft carrier on top of you and try to lift it. There's no straining, but the will to lift it is still there.

When my brother and I were young teenagers, we would go to our room at night with the lights off and stand in front of a desk lamp. After our eyes became accustomed to the dark (dilated), I would then count to 3, as we both stared wide-eyed at the approximate location of the lamp, and then turn it on for 1 or 2 seconds. Even if we were not staring directly at the lamp (missing our target), we did not move our eyes or blink until the light was turned off. After the light was turned off, we could see the lamp, desk, my arm, wall and everything else in the room that was in our previous view, except everything was purple. We would time ourselves to see how long we could hold this purple image in our minds. If we put our hands in front of our face, the image would immediately disappear. Our brains hate conflicts. We continued our efforts until we desensitized our brains into not accepting these conflicts.

My point is that certain things in life that people do, or has happened to them, may allow some to have OBEs more easily than others. I was 26 years old when I had my second OBE, which was spontaneous. My first OBE occurred when I was 16, which was forced by an illegal drug. It scared me so much that I never tried it again. However, the loosening of one's consciousness or soul, be it by trauma, stress, depression, injury, accident, alien visitation, drugs or anesthesia, can make it easier for them to repeat OBEs later in life. Had my first OBE not been forced, I can't say with any certainty that I would not have had any at all.

The main thing is not to become discouraged. Patience, persistence, perseverance and self-discipline are the four main keys. I didn't know what an OBE was until I was 25 years old, then I felt like I couldn't get enough information about it. I saturated my life with it. A year later, it just happened on its own when I wasn't even trying. I didn't make OBEs my goal; I made them my life's assignment.

Surely, we can agree that that is an ordinary afterimage, and not an "unexplained mystery."


As long as your eyeball is relatively stationary, you get a good fidelity afterimage. Staring into a bright light source is a bad idea.

Most of us would have an aversive reaction to looking at a light bulb while dark adapted (an experience a lot of people have every morning if they get up while it is still dark, and turn on the lights - ouch if you are not careful where you look). My guess is that you "missed" a lot. Our brains usually have more sense than we do.


It fades over at most tens of seconds. "Holding it in your mind" means you attend it to it as it fades. It isn't "in your mind" as much as it's on your retina.

How long fading takes will vary with exposure conditions, and how long you want to attend to the fading image. Being in the dark with little else to see, and evidently little else to do, that could be a while.


Probably not. The image just got very small. Immediately.

Putting your hand in front of your face, even in the dark, adjusted your gaze to look at your hand. Whatever our brain thinks of conflicts, it is madly in love with our hands.

So, whatever is on your retina gets rescaled to fit on your hand. And it's fading fast anyway. By the way, that radical (apparent) resizing of afterimages is a standard Ask Mr. Wizard activity for children.

You don't have to try it, but if you do and none of your lamps have lampshades, I would suggest waiting until you can afford one that does.

I only mentioned this childhood experiment as an example. Many of the experiences that we've had while growing up can affect our ability to have conscious OBEs. Being out-of-body is a major conflict of interest, and not seeing one's own body, directly or indirectly, such as in a mirror, can greatly affect a person's progress.

Scientists have recently conducted similar experiments where the rear-view image of a person can be seen in virtual headgear or goggles by the person wearing them. This gives the virtual projectionist the feeling that he or she is out of his or her physical body. Likewise, the inability to see the silhouette of your hand in front of the eyes' photographic image of a lamp will also cause a conflict of displacement. The overall image never changes in size or shape, and depth perception has no effect.

Regardless of where the image is generated or retained (retina, rods & cones, optic nerve, visual cortex), the image that is seen by the mind's eye will fade to black much sooner than the baseline time. The baseline time is the time it took to retain the image without experiencing a conflicting event. IMO, to shoot down this experiment that a couple of punk kids did some 35 to 40 years ago is pretty low. If you have a question or need help, just ask. And don't call me Surely.

So, we agree that there is something less than an unexplained mystery in all of this.

And please don't patronize me anymore, it's tiresome.

There's a wee bit of projecting of an altogether different sort going on here. No offense, but you are correct, it's tiresome.

I agree on both counts. The first was never intended to be mysterious, except maybe for a 13-year-old, and the second was shared.

Hello everyone. Hows it going? Its been a long time since i posted here....

Well, Q, I liked it better before you edited it. But game on.

The afterimage experiment may have been performed by a teenager, but it was reported and analyzed here by a fully grown adult.

Because I dared respond to your analysis, you made some snide remark about my being too poor to afford lampshades, and then called my behavior "low." In between, there was your disquisition on a recent experiment on hallucinations, the link to which I had posted here months ago, when the work appeared in Science.

Those experiments had nothing to do with afterimages anyway, the subject of my post.

I never said there was anything wrong with the experiment, except to note a precaution about which your report was ambiguous. Good for the "punk kids" to explore the matter.

It was your adult interpretation to which I objected.

And now, I object to your response, initially mature, but after you had reflected on it, once more that of the very "punk kid" from whom you so wish to distance yourself.

Who are you to judge human maturity and behaviour? I'm not going to rehash what you wrote and the reasons why I think you wrote them, and I'm definitely not going to discuss our personal psychology on this thread. Either report me or block me. Case closed.

I am sure that someone already answered your question, and even if they didn't, I will anyways.

To your first question: You can take any shape that you want.
2. Yes, but it depends on how "far in depth" that you astral project.
3. Undertermined
4. I imagine that you would "hear" your name being called and would be back in your body.

Hello again, I've been having some problems with astral projection. I've tried it many nights but as far as I get is where my hands don't have any feeling except that the feel like they're floating and then I fall asleep and wake up the next morning. I noticed that I have a very hard time focusing on one single thought or clearning out my mind even with the 4 AM technique, I very easily get sidetracked without realizing it. No I don't have ADD, it's just that I'm always thinking about something or playing out possible scenarios in my mind. Can anyone recomend a technique without having some professional putting me into a deep sleep (I've been able to focus my mind when I was put into a deep relaxive state). All I need is some way to acheive the deep relaxive state from there I could do it.

I Know Astral Projection exists but has there been scientific evidence?

Just a note that I have returned from a months vacation and am maintaining Ascension once more.

lexter ian - there is no scientific evidence which satisfies myself or the skeptics I face. It's best to try it and experience it yourself.

I belive in asral travel and the way i do it is, lay on my back clear my mind and imagine i am laying on my back in the bottom of a wheat solo you look up the dark sides to the round daylight at the top. i just keep looking at this light in my mind and i start to see the light move down to me and gets bigger until i am out in the light that is when i can travel anywhere i want and it is only after i am in the light that i feel as if floating and flying, to return i think of my feet, (dont laught try it) and as soon as i think of my feet i feel like i am falling, if it is Astral travel or just a trick of the mind i dont care all i know is I belive it is astral travel and i feel fantastic after.

Wow, this is a HUGE forum!! I didn't even TRY to read through all of it lol, but I did read a few pages.
I've been trying to astral project for a while now, and I've experienced all the unusual sensations people have reported on this thread, and I think I had success on a couple of occassions, but I'm not going to go into details of them at this time.
But if anyone is interested, I know a book that you could look at that offers many great tips and techniques. It's called "Astral Travel for Beginners" by Richard Webster. Trust me, there's LOTS of info in there that is great and the book is not expensive.
Good luck and Happy Travels!!

About a year ago, i've been awake while sleeping, it's a weird sensation, as if i'm sleeping with my eyes wide open and that I could hear and see everything. I had that twice in my bed, and a few times in school. It's as if my mind is still awake but my body is asleep. The thing is i wasn't detached, i still was in my body. Any idea what this is or has anyone lived a similar experience?

It's called sleep paralysis. Google it for more info. Hope this helps.

I've been trying again recently, and I've been feeling the effects again..but also some different than before!
What I've felt the 3 times I've tried this week..

Floaty feeling, like I'm falling or leaving my body.
Numb arms, which is really weird feeling.
A strange noise I can't quite remember, or something that startled me.
And the leg/body jolt, as if I fell into my bed.

This sound familiar?

The first occassion upon trying again THIS week, was when I had really bad lung/breathing pains...I went to bed worried about what could be causing, and then got the feelings..

tghese are all real good tecs
an i think that they just might work

I'm just signing up to your forum, thanks.
I'm Session 9, ok?

peace everyone