Awsome!

thanks for the tip

this morning i woke up and checked some forums on the laptop before i ended up falling back to sleep ( around 9am ) as i was falling asleep i remembered crovus' post about successfully projecting so i thought it'd give it a go. anyway as i was falling asleep i was chanting in my head "i want to astral project" and i remember the tingling feeling came pretty fast a little after i started chanting, it was the most intense feeling i've ever felt. it felt like my body was splitting up into 2 ( physical and soul) and i could practicly feel myself floating off the bed and just when i thought i was "out" i opened my eyes but i ended up actually opening my eyes ( physical ). i then fell back to sleep cause i was really tired...my question is, should i worry about having to open my eyes or will i automatically be able to see when i have successfully projected?

I know when I got out that one time(Where I just sat in my bed, in my AP body, not evcen realizing I was APing...) I remember I had been able to see my room the whole time...But my eyes were closed...So I think it happens natrually...

Yeah, I know what you mean.I get panic attacks quite often.I tried it once I just kept saying to myself in my head "project.....project...."several times,dont know how much time passed,but all I felt was the vibrations,wasnt very strong actually.

that would be awesome I know some people who I'd love to mess with there minds somehow X)If that's possible to act like a ghost in astral projection.

This actually happened to me a lot when I first started trying. When I finally made it out, I didn't think to open my eyes (astral or physical) at all. My astral eyes were just automatically open.

Hope this helps.

-C

I'm gonna try again tonight..haven't tried in a while.

does the feeling of falling mean it almost happens too? more than a few times i've felt like i was about to fall off the edge of my bed, but i've got a queen size, i'm the only one who uses it, and i sleep in the middle of it

I think I lucid dreamed when I took a nap today.Not sure...I could controll my flying it seemed like.usually my dreams are all over the place.Well,this one was too,but I can rarely fly.

Easy test.... put a carboard box somewhere high enough that you cant see inside it. Now throw a few 6 sided dice into it (obviously since the box is up high you don't know what numbers will have just been rolled) Now perform your out-of body experience mumbo jumbo.. float your astral self up.. look in the box, remember the numbers.. go back to your body.. write down the numbers... then carefully pull the box down and look in it.. *gasp* you'll never achieve any results higher than blind luck... which of course would suggest there is no such think as a REAL out of body experience...

But of course people who believe in this codswhallop never change their opinion after being smacked int he face with rock solid logic or lack of evidence... *sigh*

I really hope the critical thinking skills of the next generation are better than this one...

Critical thinking is highly overrated. It is uaually pulled in favour of skeptical people. Who simply do not know that believers can think critically as well.

Re: open mindedness... don't be so open minded that your brain falls out

So was the simple test i provided one which someone who could perform an out of body experience perform flawlessly? i.e. 100% of the time know what the unseen dice roll? I'm going to go out on a limb & say that not a single person making these claims could ever provide any evidence at all...


If "beleivers" had critical thinking skills then they would pay attention to simple things like weight of evidence and thier claims would be falsifiable... i.e. "i beleive in X, however if someone could provide me with Y evidence i would stop beleving in X"

[edit] hey you changed your reply *shakes fist*

1. Probably you tested it on the wrong people. The paranormal things are not like the normal things of life. They are completly different. In the sense that proof is only for the believers. Why I don't know. But I do know I said it.

2. Well yes its true that believers will stop believing if you can prove without a doubt the whys and hows things thing cannot exist. But you can't do that i'm afraid.

3.I like to change my replies. i enjoy changing my mind.

1. see point 2

2. This is my biggest irk with "belief" in these unprovable concepts... if contradicting evidence is ever found there is always some lame excuse thought up to make the evidence null.. so no matter how much testing is done, no matter how many times tried & true methods of scientific inquiry are used.. any supporting evidence is jumped on & held high for all to see and any contradicting evidence is explained away with bad excuses. Don't you see the problem with this?

All evidence negative and positive needs to be given the same weight.. there are volumes & volumes of negative evidence.. and the only positive evidence is the result of clearly bad experiments with no controls, no attempt to remove trickery or it's just unverifiable stories of people who have incredibly strong bias that it's a real phenomenon..

If i got whoever was the seemingly most proficient person in astral projection and gave them a simple test under scientific conditions.. if they failed would you say "hmmm... maybe i'm wrong about it being real.." or would you give an excuse to explain the evidence away?

Now what if i did it to 10 people wth the same results? more excuses?

What about a hundred? a thousand people? would you change your mind or would you still make excuses as to why the phenomenon wasn't manifesting itself?

Possible combinations with three dice are 56. Possible combinations with a digital clock are 720. I've already verified the digits on the face of a digital clock, why would I want to verify the dots on the faces of a few dice?

Not every death is preceded by an NDE, just as not every talking monkey is assigned a soul and the incorporeal vehicles in which it travels. Perhaps that is the "real" mathematical problem.

EDIT: Changed "followed" to "preceded"

Ok.. good i hadn't thought of that for a test.

1. Are the numbers static? i.e. it's not just a clock ticking through time otherwise you'd be able to anticipate what would be showing when you look at it...
2. Is the clock somwehere where you can't see it?
3. And are you writing your "guess" down then checking the clock?

Now if you can do this with 100% accuracy then go for the james randi million dollar challenge... easy money.

At least you could contact a local university.. if you can do it then you will have.. like i've said.. discovered a new set of physical laws of the universe... you will shepherd in a new age of spiritual discovery for humanity... exciting stuff.. i can't imagine why no-one has been able to do it so far.... hmmmm...

Well I have left my body twice now. My problem is that, did I leave my body into a higher vibration version of this world? Or did I leave my body into my mind? I had always been able to get those vibrations many speak of on here. I had always gotten the vibrations for the sake of the vibrations themselves, as in WOW they feel good lol, but anyway here are my two experiences:

Experience 1:I had been trying to AP for mabey 2 months, this was near the beginning of this thread that socrates started. Anyway, I was laying there, and what I do is I meditate for 10 minutes as my body goes to sleep. Then I start really focusing on this buzzing in my head (I can hear it now actually ). And then I wait until I feel like I am completely disconnected from my body. That feels like I could be 2 inches or I could be 30 feet, I can't tell. I also feel like I am floating around or something. So I decide hmm. I'll roll out.

Guess what, no resistance at all, and I was on the top bunk LOL. I tumbled sideways to the ground and landed on all fours like a cat. The 6 foot fall jolted me almost back into my body, but I stayed out. I was thinking to myself "did I do it?!!" But tried to stay calm. I could not see a thing, except red yellow and blue tiny dots everywhere. Everything else was black, so mabey my eyes were closed, but I didn't even think about that... I went as quick as I could to where I knew my window was in relation to my bed. I got up to the window, could feel the cold air outside of it. As I passed mabey 1/7 of the way through it I lost consciousness into a dream, and woke up 6 hours later.

Experience 2: I woke up from a dream and felt those vibes flowing through me on my bed. YES! perfect time to AP... I tried for 1 second and I was instantly in my back yard. It was night time, but everything had a silvery glow. I saw my dog laying over by the fence, I tried calling him, but no sound, darn... Right then I could feel myself losing control and becoming paralyzed. I got scared and my dog got up and was walking towards ME or so I thought lol. He didn't notice me at all. Back to me being paralyed though... I fell back, and it's at this point that I realized I was 2 feet off the ground.

I fall back onto my back and press down some plants underneath me. The fall was almost regular speed, but the landing was pretty soft. I could feel everything though. I could feel all the plants leaves, and my feet now on the ground touching some dirt. I then was in my body on my bed with receding vibrations.

I get the same paralyzing problem in Lucid dreaming, where I fall back and realize that I am actually off the ground. I am not good at keeping control in lucid dreaming, and the state deteriorates quickly. In this respect Lucid dreaming and AP have a lot in common... Too much mabey lol, but I am unsure of that.



Now a few reasons I think this may be real:

-my dog is never in the back yard at night, well when I was back in my body I had to go check, and there he was by the fence out in the back. And when I say he's never out there at night I mean this was the only time, and I had no idea before hand that he was out there. Someone forgot about him I guess.

-another thing is that in my dreams I cannot ever really feel anything, and during these 2 times I could feel everything. pain was less though.

-and it feels like I am more conscious during these APs, than I am even right now typing this.

-Finally I never dream of my house EVER. Both of those times I was either in my house or I saw it.



BUT of course I could have created the whole thing in my mind, though I do doubt that.


I stopped trying sometime after those experiences, but after seeing this thread again I may start back up soon. I can tell I have the right vibration going still, because when I read or write I start "buzzing" pretty loud. Like right now.

If I do get back into this and I can get out (I have a lot of trouble with that last step hmm) I will try the dice Idea. Or I will have someone else write a 5 digit number on a piece of paper and put it somewhere in my room. Somewhere I can't see it obviously.

The majority of my OBEs have been spontaneous. When I become aware of them, I try to actively gather as much information as possible. These fact-finding missions are not only for my benefit but for the benefit of the doubting community. Besides, it takes my mind off my current condition. I've verified little odds and ends in rooms that I couldn't possibly have known while sleeping in another, but none have been miraculous enough to go public, and none have been under "controlled" circumstances.

OBEs are a lot like quantum mechanics. What appears real in one observable world may not always appear the same way to the observer in another. Both OBEs and quantum physics force the student to doubt the validity of what we call "reality". Perhaps when we solve one, we'll be able to solve the other. Until then, it doesn't hurt to experiment. Try it before you deny it. Even if there's no such thing as a "soul", it's a pretty cool past-time.

I don't care for astrology, but I don't shoot it down just because I have a different opinion or hobby.

There have been many successful OBE test btw...And, even if it is just a dream...People do it, cause its fun...I mean, who cares if we're jus imaginin it? We can have fun with it...Right?

My results the other night..does this sound normal?

Numb hands, and eventually arms.
Body felt floaty.
Strange sensation in my fingers, like something light was coming up from my fingers.
Vibrations in hands/arms
Vibrations in lips (thats the strangest yet)

Then I fell asleep for less than a minute, and saw this weird dream (which I do recall, if anyone wants to know), and then awoke abruptly and quite shaken.

Then sadly, I couldn't get any other effects and decided to go straight to sleep.

I had a similar experince. let me find my post... I wasn't trying to AP, but I was in that vibrational state.

Here is my post

Excerpt: "I was thinking deep thoughts, not really tired, laying down. Then I am instantly in a dream where some plan is going on. All I catch, because I am "late to my own dream?" was this guy leaning forward and saying, "I give that [idea] an acid A" and then he turned bright white [while balancing on his right leg with his left leg behinf him for balance and his torso head and arms all forward parallel to the ground, like some ballerina pose] and faded into the backs of my eyelids, which then faded from white to red, and then my right eye was able to be forced open. I was only paralyzed for 10 seconds after that, and I had huge surges of energy flowing through me!"

"My dream lasted for about 4 seconds, and I actually felt myself fall asleep, for the first time ever, and then wake up 4 seconds later, and how the heck was I dreaming anyway (REM)? All very weird."

BLUE text won't be found in original post, only because I forgot at the original posting.

I want to hear your dream...

-Muddy

Thats strange, I must admit, if not a minute long, my dream could have been 10 secs or anything, its hard to tell when you're asleep how much time passes, but I am fairly sure it was no more than a minute.
Well, my dream merely was that I was in these woods, near fields with a friend and we were talking, and all of a sudden I turned, and there was this man walking through the field alongside this huge weird black cat, and then the black cat just started running really fast, and then I awoke abruptly and my heart was racing...I just couldn't understand what it was about or how I could dream in under a minute. It did shake me up abit, even though to be honest, its rather silly.

peace

I've been trying to astral travel for about a year on and off. I once heard this voice trying to get me "dream and come closer" and I started feeling numb and tingly. I also started feeling a bit twitchy and my heart was racing. I think I was getting close, was I?

i need help,i have a long and very odd story,rather than make a new post ill put it in here.

until an hour ago i knew nothing of astral.i have had many of these thing happen before but had no idea what it was.im gonna try and skim as much off my story as posible.when i was 7 i almost died.after that i began to see figures,and have dreams that were very lucid and later came true.i still have these dreams(im 19 now).i have figures i see around town.one is attached to my car.i know this all sounds crazy.all my life (after 7) ive had dreams i was falling and jolted as if i was hitting the grond but i never saw the ground.i also had many other dreams as if i was home but in a wierd world.i now (after reading some of this thread) think i was going into astral,but by accident.i have also gone into sort of trances while doing other things,one time while driving,i aparently drove a mile or so without remembering it.i now think i have been slipping into astral without knowing it.this explains the things ive been seeing for years.thats a long story short.now here are my questions.

it seems like a possibility to me that there may be something bad in my house,if i astral can it hurt me in any way? or steal my body? i belive the figure in my car has been protecting me,and after posting a thread here was told she may be my gaurdian angel.should i trust anyone i may see in astral? can i see other live normal people in astral? i ask because my girl is a few thousand miles away right now,could i visit her? and does she need to be in astral too? if i move something in astral will it be moved in life? what happens if i were to die in astral? can i cross an ocean? if i were to fail and drown,would i wake up or what? i want to try this but im afraid of what i may see. is there a backup plan if i need to wakeup quick? i will really apreciate any help.

i also have 1 more question,i am Christian.does astral go against god in any way?

Thats a reall common question...It was the first question I asked too when I first started projecting...I do not believe it goes against god...The bible mentions things relatin to AP a few times...Suhc as the silver cord(somethin alot of projectors see durin AP) the golden bowl(crown chakra) and, it mentions we all have a physical, and spiritual body...We use the spiritual body to project...If god didn't wnat us to project he wouldnt of given us the ability to I dont think...

Thomas Metzinger argues that OBEs may have been the fundamental nexus of belief in a 'soul', which then called for explanatory 'spiritual world' models that then became religions.

Source: http://iangoddard.net/OBEs.htm

Even though OBEs have strengthened my spiritual convictions, I can't say that Metzinger is wrong.

The perspective of self may be an illusion. The feeling of occupying a physical body could be just as false as the feeling of possessing a limb that has been amputated. OBEs may be the natural state, where in-the-body experiences may be the phenomenal state. I'm having an IBE right now.

Though difficult to follow, I found these videos very interesting.

"Being No One" by Thomas Metzinger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfdVyYSTuIs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5efYaUBC5Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPDLClJMtMs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duOESAixFX8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKF3nfeDOOY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHw3uTmBSwA

I don't pretend to understand everything that he's saying. I'll have to watch them again.

thanks guys,but what about my other questions? im not trying to be snotty i just dont know who else to ask.

Oh, I've been meaning to ask this for quite a while..
Does anyone else seem to hold there breath for no reason or find it difficult to know how to keep your breathing when trying to AP?


thanks

I've never been conscious while in the astral..but I'm guessing you dont need to breahe...You're baisically a spirit, you have no need for air...

Why do you feel it is possible that there is 'something bad' in your house? On the astral plane, negative entities can certainly be encountered, but the consequences of these encounters, or even whether or not they occur, is entirely over to you. Before you project, ask for protection from your guides and/ or god. Imagine your body surrounded by a protecting white light. This visualization may seem pointless but it is extremely effective. Believe that the light will be with you in the astral. Entities cannot hurt you if you don't let them. Should you encounter a neg, which is unlikely, simply move away or end the projection. Your body cannot be stolen. It's great you know about your guardian angel. Ask for her when you leave your body. She will come to you and guide you. You will be able to visit your girl. You will not die in the astral. You can cross an ocean, or for that matter, dive to its deepest reaches. If you need to leave, all you need do is think of your body. You will return instantly.

Thank you very much ziggy. i got the feeling there is something bad in my house due to banging,and bad feelings.i dont know i will see it in astral,but wanted to know what to do if i did.now i know how to get out.so does my girl need to be in astral for me to see her?,i talked to her a little about it today.she says shes done it before.so she should be able to help me.thanks again ziggy.

No, I mean...when trying to AP...so your still awake, but lying still, trying to do any techniques.

I keep trying AP, like every night at the moment. But i'm struggling.
I do get the general sensations, My body goes limp and i can feel everything floating & often i'm paralysed or can't see. But i've never actually moved or experience anything. I just lie there.
Anyone shed any light for me?

I know what you mean, and I have that same problem. For me I can't go to sleep on my back because I feel like I am drowning, And since AP seems to work best when lieing on my back, I have to fight that drowning feeling. On top of that the more relaxed I get the less I remember to breathe, but I am still breathing consciously, so I will all the sudden realize and take a huge breath.

I think we need to slip into this state over a longer time, and let our subconscious breathe for us...
Another thing to try would be AP ing from a sitting position in a really comfy chair, so that your lungs can fill with less effort.

-Muddy

You need to work on your exit technique. You have to move away from your body. Your body holds you in.

Suggestions:
~Try imagining yourself zooming forward and back, side to side, and up and down.
~Try sitting up, not physically though. More like imagine sitting up in detail, and try and will yourself up.
~Try rolling sideways or backwards out. This is easier to get out with, but It can be very disorienting, so you have to remain calm and focused
~Try pulling on something (imagine) for leverage, like your body is quick sand, and you have to pull on a rope, or ladder to get out.
~Imagine yourself in another room in your house that you know well.
~Imagine you are a rocket and shoot straight up through your roof, this one is disorienting aswell, and you may end up in space lol.
~Imagine floating up like you are a helium balloon, like you are being "pulled" up.

mabey one of those will work. For me the only thing that works is first loosening my connection with my body (floaty feeling) then I just roll with all my might sideways. Not with my physical body though. You just have to will yourself sideways pretty hard.

-Muddy

Thanks alot!

I'm definately going to give it a go.
I've been feeling the sensations for a long while, even when i was little & i didn't understand it. Once i thought i was having a fit or something lol, because i was paralysed. I just really want it to work. I think i've got the potential to do it.

i think i got close today, i felt like i was...pulsing in a way

you are close,congrats

Hey, who is the lass in the middle picture in your signature?

Just a quick question.

Once achieved the AP state, Can you interact with the physical world or are you going into the another frequency plane where u cannot interact with the physical world. For instance, Can people hear you if you yell at them or feel your touch ?

can you in a way...open a small window in your mind to the astral plane? it felt like i did that today, didn't quite get out but could see extremely clearly even though my eyes were shut, i was able to pull the "window" up 3 times before being unable to get it again

I was kinda-sorta close last night. I was sort of "ripping" away from my body and forcing it. I also realized I should turn the TV off. I'm getting closer each time.

sorry off topic: HAH i knew this forum would make it 200 pages! *claps hands*

just so you know your site is broken sep967.

on topic,ive been feeling heavy limbs is that part of it?

What a great thread, and i thought i was a minority, im in the process of teaching some one else how to do it and pointed her towards this site and thread.

Can someone answer NickT, I'd also like to know.

Thanks.

anyone?, anyway i got really close today, i actually saw some beings that weren't of our plane standing by the stage in my school *yes i was at school while trying it*, it hasn't seemed to work at home yet

changes made in astral are not made in this world,but you can see real people.ive never tryd touching or yelling at them.ive never changed anything,if i try i exit.but im not to experianced in it.hope that helps.