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Malakh
QUOTE(War-Junkie @ May 29 2006, 02:24 PM) [snapback]1209858[/snapback]

What happens when u just start 2 project? ur eyes r closed then all of the sudden u open them and ur floating where u were thinking of standing? i may have sum more questions but i cant think right now




hey war-junkie, ive never knowingly projected but, when i get lockdown, sometimes im sleepin on my side or my belly, and i can see everything in the room like im on my back, and even though my eyes are closed i can see everything in the room....remember when your struggling to open your eyes and move? well my theory is that basically you are physically dead for the time being cuz you can see everything but your eyes arnt open your screaming but you arnt heard, your moving but your not moving. I believe your astral body has already left your body....but your so scared that you dont know what to do other than wake yourself up. I still have alot of questions myself, i just wanted to give you my point of view on it. I hope i helped.

~*Peace*~
Marvy
QUOTE(Malakh @ May 29 2006, 03:15 PM) [snapback]1209599[/snapback]

Marvy, i wouldnt try special k if i were you. I was hooked for 2 years. Luckily i never had any bad experiences with it but i saw people falling into serious k-holes and seriously hurt themselves. And if you ever try it NEVER MIX WITH LSD!!!! And besides it rots your teeth from the inside out! no.gif


I understand if it could rot our teeth but what do ya mean with serious K-holes that hurt??
can you share any experience?
Marvy
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ May 29 2006, 09:32 AM) [snapback]1209375[/snapback]

to be honest marv, i have no idea.
and to add to your post, that's a great idea... i never thought of trying to get that sedative again...
i wonder if i have my perscription around somewhere still. lol. i doubt it though.
You could research: "ACL ligament sugery." and find out what kind of sedative they use.


i found some interesting stuff in the web:



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Types of anesthetic agents

There are two major types of anesthetics used for general anesthesia, inhalation and intravenous anesthetics. Inhalation anesthetics, which are sometimes called volatile anesthetics, are compounds that enter the body through the lungs and are carried by the blood to body tissues. Inhalation anesthetics are less often used alone in recent clinical practice; they are usually used together with intravenous anesthetics. A combination of inhalation and intravenous anesthetics, often with opioids added for pain relief and neuromuscular blockers for muscle paralysis, is called balanced anesthesia.

INHALATION ANESTHETICS. The following are the most commonly used inhalation anesthetics:

Halothane causes unconsciousness but provides little pain relief; often administered with analgesics. It may be toxic to the liver in adults. Halothane, however, has a pleasant smell and is therefore often the anesthetic of choice when mask induction is used with children.
Enflurane is less potent, but produces a rapid onset of anesthesia and possibly a faster recovery. Enflurane is not used in patients with kidney failure.
Isoflurane is not toxic to the liver but can induce irregular heart rhythms.
Nitrous oxide (laughing gas) is used with other such drugs as thiopental to produce surgical anesthesia. It has the fastest induction and recovery time. It is regarded as the safest inhalation anesthetic because it does not slow respiration or blood flow to the brain. However, because nitrous oxide is a relatively weak anesthetic, it is not suited for use in major surgery. Although it may be used alone for dental anesthesia, it should not be used as a primary agent in more extensive procedures.
Sevoflurane works quickly and can be administered through a mask since it does not irritate the airway. On the other hand, one of the breakdown products of sevoflurane can cause renal damage.
Desflurane, a second-generation version of isoflurane, is irritating to the airway and therefore cannot be used for mask (inhalation) inductions, especially not in children. Desflurane causes an increase in heart rate, and so should be avoided for patients with heart problems. Its advantage is that it provides a rapid awakening with few adverse effects.

INTRAVENOUS ANESTHETICS. Commonly administered intravenous general anesthetics include ketamine, thiopental (a barbiturate), methohexital (Brevital), etomidate, and propofol (Diprivan). Ketamine produces a different set of reactions from other intravenous anesthetics. It resembles phencyclidine, which is a street drug that may cause hallucinations. Because patients who have been anesthetized with ketamine often have sensory illusions and vivid dreams during post-operative recovery, ketamine is not often given to adult patients. It is, however, useful in anesthetizing children , patients in shock, and trauma casualties in war zones where anesthesia equipment may be difficult to obtain.

from http://www.answers.com/topic/anesthesia-general


and another one...

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History
Ketamine was first synthesized in 1962 in an attempt to find a safer anaesthetic alternative to PCP, which was more likely to cause hallucinations and seizures. The drug was first used on American soldiers during the Vietnam War, but is often avoided now because it can cause potentially unpleasant out-of-body experiences. It is still used widely in veterinary medicine, and for select human applications.
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from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketamine


Reading your story i suspect they gave you the intravenous type and you broke your knee during a footbal match when you were how old?...hmm...special K looks solid.... tongue.gif but i could be wrong, so which one....

By the way, your surgery sounds awful.hows your knee now?
Malakh
QUOTE(Marvy @ May 30 2006, 05:47 AM) [snapback]1210612[/snapback]

I understand if it could rot our teeth but what do ya mean with serious K-holes that hurt??
can you share any experience?



Well marvy, k-hole is what you call the effects of the drug, it literally feels like your falling into a hole, and it could kick in at any time. Everything feels far away and sounds are amplified. The k-holes dont hurt, what i meant is that, people that are on the drug really dont know what they are doing. Ive seen people just topple over cuz they cant feel anything and they are not even really there. Im only naming one, but there are alot of things that can happen while in a k-hole. You walk like a robot, if somebodys talkin to you, you wont hear them at first..10 minutes later youll answer them, (there is no such thing as time in a k-hole) there is nothing, that used to happen to me all the time, i just had a flash back and i thank the Lord everyday im not on that stuff anymore. Speaking from experience i dont think that any positive out of body experience can come from special-k, i did it for a long time and i dont remember going to another realm and flying or none of that...all i remember is being stupified for 15-20 minutes. Honestly if astral projection is truly supposed to be a spiritual experience you wont need drugs to induce it and if you do than youd better becarful what kind of energy you attract or you may never come back.
I hope i helped.


~*Peace*~
Clocker
Hmm, well I finally succeeded last night. I've kind of half-projected quite a few times, with my upper body projecting but my legs being stuck in my body. Last night though, my cat woke me up at 4am or something, and I was PISSED cause I had to go to work in the morning and was supposed to get up at 7.30 or so. Well, the cat kept harrassing me for a while and in the end, I couldn't really sleep in a long time. I just drifted in and out of sleep for a couple of hours, and while doing that I started thinking that it might be a good time to try astral projection. I had a few moments of vibrations and blurring of senses every now and then but finally, at around 6am I started vibrating very rapidly and within seconds I was again half-projected, with my feet stuck and sort of "between two worlds". I almost drifted back then just imagined myself completely free to move and not so much just simply pulling myself out of my body. And whoom! Suddenly I whirled out of my body with the whole world spinning, and looking down at myself and my room from the ceiling! Well, it also freaked me out pretty badly so I just closed my eyes and wanted to get back to my body...and succeeded. So, a short-lived but strong and exhilarating experience. cool.gif
Kaknelson
QUOTE(Marvy @ May 30 2006, 02:58 AM) [snapback]1210625[/snapback]


Reading your story i suspect they gave you the intravenous type and you broke your knee during a footbal match when you were how old?...hmm...special K looks solid.... tongue.gif but i could be wrong, so which one....

By the way, your surgery sounds awful.hows your knee now?


INTRAVENOUS ANESTHETICS. Commonly administered intravenous general anesthetics include ketamine, thiopental (a barbiturate), methohexital (Brevital), etomidate, and propofol (Diprivan). Ketamine produces a different set of reactions from other intravenous anesthetics. --

It was one of these, not quite sure which, Intravenous yes.

FOOTBALL YES>>>>! Good guess.

My knee is great, im going to play some basketball right now! It as sore for a LONG WHILE however. I went through rehabilitation, i feel 95% now. i had surgery 3 years ago. geek.gif
RamboIII
I am old, but I'll try it tonight. Well, why not?
Any last tips?
I'll document my progress.
SecondHeartbeat
i'm going to try to astral travel this weekend,just to see if it works,probably won't though.rasberries!
Kaknelson
QUOTE(RamboIII @ May 30 2006, 09:39 PM) [snapback]1211963[/snapback]

I am old, but I'll try it tonight. Well, why not?
Any last tips?
I'll document my progress.

I hope ur still online to recieve this.

*Age does not matter.

If you believe in soul, age is not a factor.

I am young in age, but my soul maybe older than yours. SOme attempt for years to project, and without success. However, on the positive side, some ppl project within 15 mins of their first try.

A tip would be to read over the socrates post again... Utter relaxation without distraction.
It's the midway point between sleeping and complete consciousness. Try to get into that state, once their you may see colors in your eyes floating about. Ignore them it is merely the engery building and discharging through color. Try not to fall asleep. Just relax.

What really helps some is the rope technique: imagine climbing a rope, imagine it is pinned on the roof, above your forehead. Without opening your eyes, pretend to climb it. This may help you leave your body. If you do leave your body lol... don't be scared. If your uncomftable, try not to go too far away from where your body is. Limits don't exist, you can travel up to space if you wish...

HOPE I HELPED.
- Kak.
Marvy
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ May 30 2006, 07:46 PM) [snapback]1211248[/snapback]

It was one of these, not quite sure which, Intravenous yes.
FOOTBALL YES>>>>! Good guess.
My knee is great, im going to play some basketball right now! It as sore for a LONG WHILE however. I went through rehabilitation, i feel 95% now. i had surgery 3 years ago. geek.gif


Ah good for you bro, i always worry with malpractice from doctors especially in delicate surgery. Im still sure Ketamine is what they injected to you, although perhaps the other substances are possible too...im goin to find more info.




QUOTE(Malakh @ May 30 2006, 03:57 PM) [snapback]1210961[/snapback]

Well marvy, k-hole is what you call the effects of the drug, it literally feels like your falling into a hole, and it could kick in at any time. Everything feels far away and sounds are amplified. The k-holes dont hurt, what i meant is that, people that are on the drug really dont know what they are doing. Ive seen people just topple over cuz they cant feel anything and they are not even really there. Im only naming one, but there are alot of things that can happen while in a k-hole. You walk like a robot, if somebodys talkin to you, you wont hear them at first..10 minutes later youll answer them, (there is no such thing as time in a k-hole) there is nothing, that used to happen to me all the time, i just had a flash back and i thank the Lord everyday im not on that stuff anymore. Speaking from experience i dont think that any positive out of body experience can come from special-k, i did it for a long time and i dont remember going to another realm and flying or none of that...all i remember is being stupified for 15-20 minutes. Honestly if astral projection is truly supposed to be a spiritual experience you wont need drugs to induce it and if you do than youd better becarful what kind of energy you attract or you may never come back.
I hope i helped.
~*Peace*~


I see...i never try this K...but im trying to learn more before experimenting... innocent.gif
your post also remind me with one of chemical brothers song "Lost in K Hole"...haha now i know what this song means

thx for the tip malakh, i really appreciate it.
morph
Well to all I have been attempting this with some limited success. very limited tbh..lol I get to a point where I hear a shout not someone calling my name but a shout like Arghhhh its not dreaming I have the tingle before hand as in the energy building up..so much soo it tickles my nose and I have to concentrate not to scratch it..I felt myself lifting the other night but I lost it..

I will keep trying grin2.gif

I last did this about 20 years ago perhaps I have lost the nack.....
RamboIII
Thanks, Kaknelson.
Last night I woke up to rain and thunder, does that limit or eliminate possible success? I decided not to try, however, because it would reduce my concentration.
War-Junkie
QUOTE(RamboIII @ May 31 2006, 02:00 PM) [snapback]1212467[/snapback]

Thanks, Kaknelson.
Last night I woke up to rain and thunder, does that limit or eliminate possible success? I decided not to try, however, because it would reduce my concentration.

some ppl can consentrate with sounds like that and not even hear them. 4 me when i really consentrate on sumthings sum times i dont hear them or im just 2 stupid the rember if u i heard sum.
War-Junkie
sorry about the double post but i just rembered my experence when i tryed 2 project last night. i think i have the abbility 2 lay down and try and consentrate and start 2 project cuse i tried it in the middle of the day and it felt like i could move my hands but not my arms and make fists but i had 2 piss so i got up and my hands feet and my lips were almost numb. later that night when i was going 2 sleep i was so drousy that i heard some 1 call my name 3 times b 4 i realized it then it stop when i sorta woke up a bit. At 4am i got up and tired 2 travel i followed the directions and i got the same feeling and i was so close but each time i started 2 sleep i would think of sum else and i would realize it and wouldent b tired ne more. any suggestions or answere weather i was close 2 project or how 2 sleep without frogeting. o and i was laying still 4 an hour and it seemed like 10 min
Raistlin
I've been doing astral travel since i was close to 10 years of age. I'm 21 now, it's quite natural to me so i assure each of you who haven;t experienced it. It does in fact exist and don't let anyone ever tell you different. Also if you have time go look up something called teh Akashic Records, while your in astral travel go there and read read read read. The akashic records is the universes library. every thought, moment, instance has been recorded there and each one of us can and are allowed to read it if we can get there. I found this out years and years ago. So do some research and look into it.. ive been doing OPM for quite a while if u have any questions.
War-Junkie
QUOTE(Raistlin @ May 31 2006, 07:56 PM) [snapback]1212830[/snapback]

I've been doing astral travel since i was close to 10 years of age. I'm 21 now, it's quite natural to me so i assure each of you who haven;t experienced it. It does in fact exist and don't let anyone ever tell you different. Also if you have time go look up something called teh Akashic Records, while your in astral travel go there and read read read read. The akashic records is the universes library. every thought, moment, instance has been recorded there and each one of us can and are allowed to read it if we can get there. I found this out years and years ago. So do some research and look into it.. ive been doing OPM for quite a while if u have any questions.

where is this place located and any tips that helped u on the first few times 2 astral travel
RamboIII
Yes and I have a question for you, too... What would be defined as "inappropriate" to look up in the records because I read once that looking up certain things can cause "goons" to come after you...
Thanks..
Kaknelson
QUOTE(RamboIII @ May 31 2006, 11:00 AM) [snapback]1212467[/snapback]

Thanks, Kaknelson.
Last night I woke up to rain and thunder, does that limit or eliminate possible success? I decided not to try, however, because it would reduce my concentration.


No problem man.

Thunderstorm huh? This does not limit your success, and like someone else stated, it varies between people. Some enjoy the sound of rain as it soothes them into a trance like state, some are distracted and their consciousness is fully aware of the rain. < this is most likely you.

Personally i find the rain very relaxing for mediation, but for astral purposes no. For it is a distraction for I aswell.

Try utter scilence... if possible. This may help your progress.

EDIT: Stay positive aswell. Positivity is KEY. If you are negative and keep having second thoughts, or negativity. It wont work. Positive energy wink2.gif.................

3rd rock resident alien
Is Christopher Chris Mindfreak and David Blaine's levetation a form of astral projection? You float bringing with you your physical body?
Kaknelson
QUOTE(3rd rock resident alien @ May 31 2006, 09:52 PM) [snapback]1213129[/snapback]

Is Christopher Chris Mindfreak and David Blaine's levetation a form of astral projection? You float bringing with you your physical body?


I am not GOD. Therefore, I don't know the answer to that.

Personally i believe its all illusion. But ppl i know believe that he has that occultish power.

Don't you think if it was real, this would be a HUGE breakthough in science?

I mean, sh** CNN FRONT PAGE: HUMANS CAN PHYSICALLY FLY!!!!!!!!!! rofl.gif
Ziggy Stardust
QUOTE(Raistlin @ May 31 2006, 11:56 PM) [snapback]1212830[/snapback]

I've been doing astral travel since i was close to 10 years of age. I'm 21 now, it's quite natural to me so i assure each of you who haven;t experienced it. It does in fact exist and don't let anyone ever tell you different. Also if you have time go look up something called teh Akashic Records, while your in astral travel go there and read read read read. The akashic records is the universes library. every thought, moment, instance has been recorded there and each one of us can and are allowed to read it if we can get there. I found this out years and years ago. So do some research and look into it.. ive been doing OPM for quite a while if u have any questions.


Hey there Raistlin,

Thanks for your input. I know the akashic records well and highly recommend experienced projectors attempt to visit them.

QUOTE(RamboIII @ Jun 1 2006, 03:23 AM) [snapback]1213045[/snapback]

Yes and I have a question for you, too... What would be defined as "inappropriate" to look up in the records because I read once that looking up certain things can cause "goons" to come after you...
Thanks..


Hey there,

I presume the term 'goon' refers to negative entities. Negative entities can be attracted to you if you use astral projection for selfish or inappropriate reasons, for example to cheat in a test or spy on someone. Perhaps looking up some things could be deemed inappropriate, but not the akashic records. They are open to all.

QUOTE(3rd rock resident alien @ Jun 1 2006, 04:52 AM) [snapback]1213129[/snapback]

Is Christopher Chris Mindfreak and David Blaine's levetation a form of astral projection? You float bringing with you your physical body?


Hey there,

The Levitation used by David Blaine and Christopher Chris Mindfreak is a clever illusion. Real levitation is not a form of astral projection as it involves the physical body floating. Astral projection involves the astral body. Levitation of the physical body is as far as I am concerned impossible.

Thanks everyone.
klamath
Hey all - I've been trying to AP now for the past 5 months. I can see the room with my eyes closed and know that I'm getting stuck in my body. The part I'm having a hard time with is getting out conscious. I know that I'm getting out but I'm not remembering hardly any of it. And I'm not able to control it. How do I get my conscious to kick over?? I'm not at the point yet where in my dreams, I know I'm dreaming. I used to be able to control my dreams when I was a kid, wished I had known about AP back then. . . .
Take care,
Nicki
Sanjuro
QUOTE(klamath @ Jun 1 2006, 06:10 AM) [snapback]1213196[/snapback]

Hey all - I've been trying to AP now for the past 5 months. I can see the room with my eyes closed and know that I'm getting stuck in my body. The part I'm having a hard time with is getting out conscious. I know that I'm getting out but I'm not remembering hardly any of it. And I'm not able to control it. How do I get my conscious to kick over?? I'm not at the point yet where in my dreams, I know I'm dreaming. I used to be able to control my dreams when I was a kid, wished I had known about AP back then. . . .
Take care,
Nicki


"Stuck ?

Some people may find they are stuck in part of their body during projection. They may come free of their body but be stuck at their head or stomach area. If this happens, exerting too much pressure by pulling on the rope may cause some physical pain and discomfort. There are two possible reasons for this: If you are stuck in the middle, stomach area, it may be diet related, i.e., a heavy protein or meat meal before projection can cause this.

Remedy: Eat a light meal, eat plenty but have fish or white meat instead of red meat and avoid fats, oils, nuts and cheese.

If you are stuck at the head, or some other part, this is a sign of an inactive chakra, possibly caused by an energy blockage.

Remedy: Concentrate on opening this stuck chakra during the energy exercises. If this happens during your projection sequence, stop everything and open that chakra, you will be in trance so it will be easier. Once you have done some work on it, try pulling on the ROPE again. "

from http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/?B...lletinID=271#14
Sanjuro
QUOTE(Raistlin @ May 31 2006, 11:56 PM) [snapback]1212830[/snapback]

The akashic records is the universes library. every thought, moment, instance has been recorded there and each one of us can and are allowed to read it if we can get there. I

So astral projecters can read my thoughts? And I can read their thoughts in that library? Its kinda embarassing, people have many peronal thoughts which isnt for public library lol.
War-Junkie
can ne 1 help me where are the akashic records located when u project do u tell a guide that u want 2 c these records and will b taken there?
morph
I would love to know what the hell goes on in some world leaders heads that would be quite fun yet strangely disturbing...lol
Raistlin
OK, so for the last 5 questions I missed here are your answers LOl:

First off Negetive entities are and do exist: demons, aliens, etc etc whatever you wish to call them be it Supernatural entities or whatever same thing. Yes, they can come after anyone they so choose int eh astral plane. However I'm not saying they always do, don't get me wrong the Astral plane is a 90% friendly zone. The only reason im a bad target is because of what I do, and what job i was born to do anyway.. off topic. You should be safe if you go to research and do that only the astral plane is also filled with other people (or their spirits) which is the way we travel through astral. Understand that while on the Astral plane you can travel at the speed of thought, and who here can tell me lol how fast is the speed of thought LOL. Instantaneous, Now as far as privacy goes with the akashic records, I have always been able to or have access to well.. anything i choose really.. BUT I dn't wield this lightly, don't worry im not apeeping reader lol. Edgar cayce (one of the first philosophers and professors) to teach about the akashic records said you get your own predicitons on your life and anything else, depending if your ready for it. The akashic records is Literally the Galaxies Library, you can get lost in it very easily.. but no worries for those worried about time issues. just know that when your in the akashic records time is... well inexplicably put to a halt so, techinally you can sit there and read for thousands of years or the equivalent to that in Our (Earth's time) if you want to and come back to earth to your body and have all that knowledge but be back in your body the same moment you left. Trippy stuff eh LOL. If you have any further questions just ask or pm me. Or ask anyone else here there are some very intelligent folks here, if i missed anyone sorry just keep on posting.
Raistlin
OH one last thing i forgot to mention... while your out of your body doing whatever it is your doin, be it travelling around earth or off earth on a distant planet.. which is what i do when you first start experimenting with O.B.E (out of body experience) and riding the astral plane be careful it drains your physical body immensly until you build a heavy immunse system to it. you get exhausted easily so dont leave too far from your body if u cant handle it otherwise.. Happy travels original.gif
RamboIII
Well, last night was my first attempt and it was alright for a first try. The problem is, and Sanjuro touched on it, is that I couldn't physically come out of my body. Everything felt as if it was coming out, nothing was stuck, but my actual body never came out. That is because I don't know how to do that step. HELP!!
Thanks, keep this goin'.
Raistlin
alot of people i know have said they do it better with visualizations.. like.. one of the most popular.. imagine pulling your mind throught your head as if ur yankin from a gym rop hangin from the roof try that original.gif
SecondHeartbeat
what a good method to do it?caus i really wanna try it now
War-Junkie
QUOTE(Raistlin @ Jun 1 2006, 05:38 PM) [snapback]1213919[/snapback]

OK, so for the last 5 questions I missed here are your answers LOl:

First off Negetive entities are and do exist: demons, aliens, etc etc whatever you wish to call them be it Supernatural entities or whatever same thing. Yes, they can come after anyone they so choose int eh astral plane. However I'm not saying they always do, don't get me wrong the Astral plane is a 90% friendly zone. The only reason im a bad target is because of what I do, and what job i was born to do anyway.. off topic. You should be safe if you go to research and do that only the astral plane is also filled with other people (or their spirits) which is the way we travel through astral. Understand that while on the Astral plane you can travel at the speed of thought, and who here can tell me lol how fast is the speed of thought LOL. Instantaneous, Now as far as privacy goes with the akashic records, I have always been able to or have access to well.. anything i choose really.. BUT I dn't wield this lightly, don't worry im not apeeping reader lol. Edgar cayce (one of the first philosophers and professors) to teach about the akashic records said you get your own predicitons on your life and anything else, depending if your ready for it. The akashic records is Literally the Galaxies Library, you can get lost in it very easily.. but no worries for those worried about time issues. just know that when your in the akashic records time is... well inexplicably put to a halt so, techinally you can sit there and read for thousands of years or the equivalent to that in Our (Earth's time) if you want to and come back to earth to your body and have all that knowledge but be back in your body the same moment you left. Trippy stuff eh LOL. If you have any further questions just ask or pm me. Or ask anyone else here there are some very intelligent folks here, if i missed anyone sorry just keep on posting.

i have a question 4 u ware are these akashic records located how would you get to them?


i also am woundering, i tried to astral travel around 11 times but to no avail but i have got almost all the sings ecept floting usually i stop aster an hour of trying because i am tired , its during the week and i am having a hard time drifting off 2 sleep when i am thinking about where i am stannding i usually drift on 2 another topic then i realize it and am more concience and take longer 2 do it. also i have a fan running since it is fairly hot during the nights, when i attempt 2 travel i atleast think i cant hear it but maby in my concience it is keeping me from traveling so 2 nite i will try without a fan on 2 c if there is any difference.

the first few times i attempted 2 travel i started 2 feel vibrations but the last 2 nites i heard some 1 calling my name and i felt like my whole body was pulcating, i think last night i felt like i was being pulled 2 my bed but i dont no, also is it normal for your body 2 start to feel like there going numb cuse its happened 2 me a few times and i am hoping its normal. thats it for now and sorry for the spelling and lots of questions.
RamboIII
QUOTE(Raistlin @ Jun 1 2006, 09:30 PM) [snapback]1214304[/snapback]

alot of people i know have said they do it better with visualizations.. like.. one of the most popular.. imagine pulling your mind throught your head as if ur yankin from a gym rop hangin from the roof try that original.gif


Ok, I will try this. Incase that does not work, what are some others?
I've heard of the "roller-over" technique before, I believe.
Raistlin
hey man I have no problems answering any questions you have for me.. I didnt spend SOO long in the akashic records not to asnwer questions. Now, there are supposed to be a few signs the noise and numbness might be that for you or.. you mihgt be stressing out over this too much and pushing too hard either or. when you try to use astral this time. turn on a radio and put it to a station thats all static. static is th equalibrium for noobs it calms you down. mentally anyway. i dont really use techniques the first tiem i did astral it wasn't supposed to happen teh way it ddi.. i was forced to use it to save someoen kinda... so I myself didn't do it.. only later did i figure out how to harness it.. so about being able to start a technique with it.. im kinda at a lose everytime i do it now.. all i do is picture your spirit seperating from my body. I push outwards and it works for me. original.gif
Sanjuro
Last night I was trying to get into trace about 30min lol, when I acctualy enterd in that bloody trance I was so mentaly tired that I just couldnt imagine any rope climbing, pulling etc.
knighties
does anyone knows about the timing between earth and astral realm . ? like earth 1 sec equals to astral 1hr ? somethings liddat .
SandDunePsychonaut
[quote name='knighties' date='Jun 2 2006, 06:39 AM' post='1214885']


I must say I'm VERY interested in OBEs after my first and only experience happened this week, and I wish more people who have experience with this would elaborate a lot more about their many experiences, with advice, etc. to interested noobs like me. Thanks to all of you who have done that and I hope my thread will help others to know what their first experience might be/feel like and what they might want to do/not do.
To knighties: I was asleep for 1.5 hours when it happened but the experience didn't seem to have time...but if I estimate what it felt like I would say no more than 10 minutes...which to me is the oppostite of a dream as you can sleep for 10 minutes and have them feel hours long!
Thanks to Socrates and all others on here who have answered questions about this subject, please continue to do so. thumbsup.gif
SandDunePsychonaut
Also, I just found a forum all about astral travel if you're interested
War-Junkie
i think i might be pushing 2 hard maby i will try slowly, but how long should it take cuse i was tryin for like 1 hour and only felt some sings, maby i wasent thinking of the right things or i wasent tired enough. i also tried last night when it was quite even though it was fairly hot i managed 2 shut my fan off and i tried i started 2 feel like my body was pulsating and i think i saw a little colors flying around in my eyes but my bro kept walking around upstaires and making tons of noise so i just said ill travel 2 morro and slept. it was sweet cuse in my dream i passed my careers class
SandDunePsychonaut
WarJunkie: to the best of my knowledge AP only occurs while you are asleep. Seeing the color pulsations happens to me when I am in pitch darkness, but I don't know if that has anything to do with AP, more like psiballs I think lol
Raistlin
The real trick is not to think at all. your mind is supposedly to feel a pull while your in a trance. it's supposed to pull you, you'd feel a pull but its up to you to match that power and slowly push your spirit out of your body while being pulled.. when i first started it was very trciky. I can do it in less than a few seconds now after years of practice but ive been doing this since i was 5 so.
SecondHeartbeat
i wana astral travel,whats a good way to do it?will i be able to walk around and stuff on the first try?
War-Junkie
all of the times ive tried i couldent get 2 sleep ive been close but i am always just awake i think i mush have 2 do it longer. it takes me around an hour and sometimes im getting groggy. Raistlin how long did it take u to get it the first few times
RamboIII
QUOTE(Raistlin @ Jun 2 2006, 03:16 PM) [snapback]1215374[/snapback]

I can do it in less than a few seconds now after years of practice but ive been doing this since i was 5 so.


Really, how do you maintain enough metaphysical concentration to do it so swiftly?
Raistlin
A Hell of alot of practice.
RamboIII
How do you practice and how long each night?
..Or is it just the attempt to project
Raistlin
well.. i cant say much here.. because it's my job and it's what i was born to do. but all i can really tell you again. The first time it happened It was unleashed i didnt do it. Somene else made me do it because it was my test to see if i was worthy enough of my task. I practice tho each night..i wouldnt call it practice cause practice means your training to do something and I'm not. I've done it, and do it anytime lol if we measure how long i do it for.. earth's hours? id say 9 Earth hours a day im usually gone for.
War-Junkie
thats sweet i wana do it like that
SandDunePsychonaut
Right on raistlin, hope you'll enlighten us some more about what you have experienced ph34r.gif ...sounds most triumphant. Have you written any books on the subject?
Sanjuro
Almost done it 5 hours ago, I could rise my astral legs and left astral arm from my body, but sadly couldnt rise up all of my body, expecialy chest and head, I guess I needed to do relaxation exercises and open all chakras before astral projection, will do next time.
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