Thanks for the quick reply,also i was wondering some times my body kinda tenses up,do i relax them or keep them tense?

No matter what sensations you feel while trying to project, it's important you stay as relaxed and limp as possible. Tensing your body up would bring your awareness back to your physical body, which is not what you want to do.

Thank you for answering my question on the other page

hey socrates i just tried to astral project for the first time i could feel my body going up and drifting from left to right do you think i got all the way in the astral plane or if i where just out of its reach

also i could feel my pulse almost all over my body,what does that mean

also should you keep your eyes open or should you close them

Hey there,

Yes, you were definately out of your body. Well done! The pulse all over your body is a good sign. It is simply one of the many sensations people feel when leaving the body.

You should keep your eyes closed.

Thank you for all your help and information so far, Socrates. It's really been interesting.

Unfortuneatly the first time trying your method [Last night] was to no avail as far as I am concerned. When I woke up at the set time I was so exhausted that I almost passed out and then couldn't go back to sleep for nearly an hour. A dreadful experience to say the least, but that isn't getting my hopes up; I'll try again tonight.

I did, however, have an extremely lucid dream in the place of it that I remember fully, although I doubt it had anything in relation to astral travel.

I'll keep you updated, and I'll be sure to have a corpulent amount of questions for you in the near future.

Well done for trying, Raven.

Your experience was not at all uncommon. In fact it sounds exactly like my first experience trying the 'four in the morning' technique.

Just remember to get up and splash your face with water. Know why you have gotten out of bed at such an early hour. Know what you are trying to achieve. Slip back into bed and get straight down to the technique. Even as you drift off to sleep, and your mind begins to cloud, stay with the technique.

Hopefully your second attempt is more succesful!

I might do it tonight as well.

I'd like to add that my roommate was right. You can astral project into cats. see through their eyes, etc.

I'm very interested in this. But I'm too afraid to try. I'm afraid I won't come back to my body. Also, how does your body stay alive while "you" are not in it? I'll be too worried about my physical body to even try. =/

If such a thing is possible, it has never worked for me!

There is nothing to be worried about. When you project, your consciousness leaves the body, but your brain does not. Your body continues to breath and function normally while you are gone.

I suggest you keep trying

hey Socrates,

After almost a week of attempting astro-projection, i think im getting somewhere. Im going to do your method only on weekends because if i astroproject on a schoolday ill only have 2 hours in the astral realm...lol. Well anyways ive been practicing on going into the trance at night and thats doing good. I once felt like that my head 'fell' out of my head and then my shoulders started to follow but then i jerked out of it. But the weirdest thing happened last night. i had my eyes mostly close but a little open so i could go into the 'trance' thing. But anyways, last night i was standing still and trying to not move a muscle at all and i was thinking about astral projecting and leaving my body while thinking about other things(i can more than one thing at once) and then suddenly everything i was thinking went blank and i wasnt thinking anything at all, but then i noticed my arms were heavy. I started thinking again, and soon my legs followed and started to go everywhere until every part of my body felt heavy. and then all of a suddenly i felt like i was laying down on my side sort of and it felt like i was higher than would be like i was floating a couple inches. i looked around the room and i thought to myself 'okay i think im in the trance, now just to astral project...' and then...
'oh crap how do i leave my body now?' (soz i forgot all about ur way of making urself think your somewhere else in the room) so then i tried to move my minds hands but then i started to feel stranger as if i were turning more in the air and then i finally moved and snapped out of the trance thing and then i went to sleep. does this mean im getting closer to being able to astral project? and is the 'heavy body floating lopsided' feeling normal? and can keep your physical eyes open when you try to astral project?

-Saint Hak

Yelekiah, who is this 'roommate' of yours? Many people have tried what you are suggesting over the years - even centuries. Researchers have undergone tests using experienced projectors as subjects. It is commonly accepted that the concept of projecting 'into' another person/animal is an invalid myth, and is impossible. Which is a good thing.

Just curious, did you ever astral project? You don't seem like the type of guy to lie about this type of thing, so I'm asking you.


EDIT: Would music help? When I listen to techno I get really relaxed and more "Spiritual". Lol....

Saint Hak, I'm proud of you! You are very close. Any day now, you will be fully out of your body. Well done. What you are doing at the moment seems to be working very well, so keep at it, and stay positive. I look forward to hearing your next experience.

Actually I got a message from someone earlier today, so it's not just my roommate who experiences this. All they can do is see through the eyes of cats. Not control them, etc. Weird coincidence. But he's a very spiritual person, more so than myself, so that's saying a lot. And he's been doing this for quite some time now.
But anyway I'm not claiming that he is the authority on astral projection. He might be. But you aren't either. <----- not being mean

Only on accident. I used to get sleep paralysis at a young age.
As for music perhaps. People have used binial beats to help with OBEs.

So, does this help you believe that the consciousness is beyond the brain?


Must suck to know something like this, and not be able to argue about it, because you have no scientific evidene. =/



I get sleep paralysis ALOT... Well not so much anymore. Also, I use to feel like I was falling over, and I'd "snap" back, and was like "What the hell?". I hadn't budged at all.

Oh I've always thought consciousness was beyond the brain. So yes in my opinion.

Definitely. There are some things I "know" in my heart are "true" (to me) but I can't prove it. Then again, I think it's all right.

Yesterday in the afternoon I think I had my first taste for astral projection and it felt kind of weird. I was taking my usual afternoon nap (2-3) hours when I woke up to use the restroom. It was getting dark outside and I was still tired but I remembered the tip of attempting astral projection while in a sleepy/trance-like state. I remember just thinking to myself "astral-projection" with my eyes closed on my bed lying down. Then I pictured myself on the opposite end of my room standing up acompanied by an imaginary magnetic force pulling me. All of a sudden I felt this weird vibrational numb pulsing feelinf throughout my body and I got freaked out and didnt go throught with it. It was a pretty interesting experience to say the least, yet kind of freaky.

That was weird.

Hmmm. Even if consiousness isn't bound by the brain, I wonder if it can survive after the body dies. In my opinion, conciousness is one of the most interesting things to discuss. I'll probably try atral projection. I know, given time, I can do it... if it's real of course. I just need to stop being so skeptical or I'll never do it =/.......

I think it definitely does survive after the body dies.
Again, no hard evidence on my part. But a lot of people document past lives and what not. I think a certain percentage has truth to it.

I agree with you there. There are tons of people who have had such experiences. And it would be extremely odd if 100% of these were fake or misunderstandings.

Hey there, the numb, vibrational feeling was a sign you were about to leave your body. Well done.

I agree with both of you. Consciousness is beyond physical matter. When the physical body dies and decays, what's to stop consciousness from moving on?

Reincarnation

Exactly right.

What if consciousness is actualy our spirit, or soul? Hmmm.

Sweet technique!

Hey ZeroShadow,

Interesting concept. Personally I think consciousness is seperate from both the physical body and the soul. During waking life, our consciousness is inside the physical body, but when we astral project, the consciousness is moved into the astral body, or soul. So basically the physical and non-physical bodies are just vessels for our consciousness.

Hey there, sounds like you astral projected!

A similar thing happened to me once.

I had set my alarm clock for early in the morning. I woke up before the alarm and lay thinking for a while. Suddenly my alarm went off - it gave me such a fright that I shot up out of my body and then jolted back in again - like the 'rubberband effect' you described. I had a pain in the center of my chest for the rest of the day.

I have done this by accident before (car wreck) I was in the back seat and we went off the road and flipped 2 1/2 times my first concious sight was that I was looking down at a car that was upside down and seeing all the people strune about. Then I was pulled back into my body which was inside the car in a sleep position hands together under my head knees together legs bent sort of fetal position. I've tried to do this willingly but could never acomplish it. Have read Robert Montgomery's books on it but just couldn't get there.

I'll try to be brave tonight.
>_<

WOW I have felt this before!
So this is astral projection it did feel weird not a hurting feeling really more like something sucked the life out of me in my experience!

Can you move physical things when astral projecting?

Things that are physical in the astral.

A few things that the skeptics said on this thread: http://forums.hypography.com/philosophy-hu...projection.html

Got me a little more skeptic. =/

All this definately incorperates into skeptasism and it will always be there to diprove what you think.
But all this starts when you are very young visions are not fake they are a gift and when you get older not everyone keeps these abilities to see and if they do happen now and then it is blown off as nothing!

But according to the link, there was a test done, where they had astral projectors leave their bodies and look at a number wich they could only see if they floated at least 3 meters above their body, and no one could tell the scientists what the number was.

Sounds like they're getting astral projection and OBE's jumbled together. They may be similar but are probably diferent.

Out of curiousity Socrates, could you share with us a little of what you have seen and done when you were astral projecting? Did you consciously feel in control of your actions in the astral world? Mabe, have you run into any trouble while you were astral projecting?

ZeroShadow - the link you gave made me laugh. Who are these people? The guy who said astral projection was a 'hallucination' was worse of all. Think about it - Thousands of people astral project a day, all feeling exactly the same sensations and having similar experiences. Hallucinations simply don't work in such a way. A hallucination is a sensory experience in which a person can see, hear, smell, taste, or feel something that isn’t there.
They are random mind renderings made solely by one's own imagination. Anyone who has researched astral projection or astrally projected themselves will know astral projection is simply too dynamic and external an experience to be associated with the mind. The rest of them are the same. They need only do a little more research - analyze some statistics, interview experienced projectors - to know they are wrong. It seems they are being skeptical for the sake of it - I recommend you don't read what they have to say.

moomooman - astral projection and OBEs are the same thing.

Spikester - I have projected on many occasions. When I project, I get out of bed and immediately pull my finger and pinch myself to make sure I am fully conscious. I look around the room and gather my surroundings. It takes a few seconds to register that I am astral projecting.

Sometimes I walk around my house, other times I simply fly away. In the astral I am quite heavy so I jump about as high as a two story house and fly for a little bit before being pulled back down. I repeat this over and over. So my flying method is sort of like bouncing along on the moon. Only sometimes, if I focus very hard, can I glide like a bird.

There are so many memories so I may as well share my last projection with you.

I flew out of my house and landed on a front lawn a few blocks away. I walked inside the house and met a dark-haired woman. She could see me and talk to me subliminally, so obviously she was an entity from the astral plane. I talked to her about astral travel and told her about how I could go through walls. She seemed very interested. To prove it, I stuck my hand inside the wall in front of us.

I saw a flight of stairs and walked to the second story of the house. Deserted. When I went back downstairs, the woman was gone. I went and lay underneath the stairs for a while, waiting for her to return.

She didn't, so I flew outside again. Back on the front lawn, I gently glided over the grass, about 1 foot from the ground. It was lovely. I knew in order to keep the OBE going I needed to have a purpose, but I couldn't think of one. As I floated, I began to feel myself fading.

I woke up to my whole body pulsing with intense vibrations.

It's a boring one, but I guess it's something. If you're still interested, I'll post the next projection I have.

And no, I have never run into trouble. The entities I've met have been very friendly.

How can you walk through walls but at the same time walk up stairs? How does that work? O_o.... Is there a possability that you won't know how to go back into your body?

I believe that this is the case to a certain extent.

:: bashes head ::

I'm too skeptical for it to ever work, lol.

Very good question! Remember though that when in the astral, your actions are in the mind's eye. For example, I decide to walk through a wall - I get into a mindset of what I want to do, and I walk through. I want to walk up the stairs - I get into a mindset of walking up the stairs, and I can do it.

And no, there is no chance of not knowing how to get back. All you need to do is think of your physical body, and you will be back.

Yes, I agree.

When we say 'I', we are referring to an internal power - perhaps the astral body, perhaps consciousness, perhaps the mind itself.

Then when we say 'My arm,' or 'My head,' We are referring to our physical body, as though it is a vessel or shell which we own.

We are able to leave our physical bodies, but we cannot leave our astral bodies. When we die, the astral body supposedly carries on. I wouldn't say the astral body is consciousness, but consciousness certainly has close ties with it. Don't forget that during our waking lives, the consciousness shifts into the physical body. If it is able to shift like this, it obviously isn't attached to the astral body, and isn't the astral body itself.

Can you go basically whereever you want? If you can, maybe you can proove to me astral is real by going somewhere, where I'll leave a number.


I'm not trying to disprove you, I'm trying to lower my skepticism so I can try to astral travel.

Your astral experience sounds exciting Socrates, even though it seems not much went on. Just something that small would be ground breaking. I'm going to continue my attempts so I've got data to report back and experiment with, hoping to prove this is more than dreaming. My attempts thus far have failed due to exhaustion.

I see that you can explore the real world in astral travel, but could you somehow contact a physical thing in the material world and have some form of manipulation on it. That is, if someone is sleeping in the room beside you, could you "float" over there in the astral and touch them, waking them up in the material world? Maybe some other physical manipulation like this, such as moving a light object?