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but in all fairness this is my first time doing this , so i dont know how long it will take, but i am dedicated to trying as long as it takes. usally when i tried it i diden't know if i was felling my self move it may have been my mind, but my downside for me is i get destracted easily
QUOTE(firebat @ Jun 16 2006, 09:29 AM) [snapback]1233855[/snapback]
but in all fairness this is my first time doing this , so i dont know how long it will take, but i am dedicated to trying as long as it takes. usally when i tried it i diden't know if i was felling my self move it may have been my mind, but my downside for me is i get destracted easily
i wish i could give you an estimate on about how long it would take to learn but it just started happening to me on accident so i couldnt tell you good luck trying though..
i do it easily but i don't do it the way the starter said
ic, plus i know that there is like more then 10 ways to do so, i was reading about how you could cause this just by a sound track
yet again i am going to try to astral project, but just at curiosety, when i tried this at first i kept getting the same results the first couple of times, i felt as if my body was moving in a seasaw motion faintly, just enough that i could barly notice, would that be a sighn of it beggining to work?
Ok anyones input here would be helpful.
As I felt I approached Astral Projection, I could feel my body rise. For a quick second, I could see somebody I have never seen before, surrounded by a white light, smiling at me (not evily, but happily). Then I had a fear of a heart attack because of my quicker stronger heartbeat. I dont know if its my spirit guide or my dead grandfather whom I never met unfortunately.
When I described him to my brother, he thinks its my grandfather.
Is this possible? Am I close?
As I felt I approached Astral Projection, I could feel my body rise. For a quick second, I could see somebody I have never seen before, surrounded by a white light, smiling at me (not evily, but happily). Then I had a fear of a heart attack because of my quicker stronger heartbeat. I dont know if its my spirit guide or my dead grandfather whom I never met unfortunately.
When I described him to my brother, he thinks its my grandfather.
Is this possible? Am I close?
QUOTE(Cjk10000 @ Jun 16 2006, 04:34 PM) [snapback]1234478[/snapback]
Ok anyones input here would be helpful.
As I felt I approached Astral Projection, I could feel my body rise. For a quick second, I could see somebody I have never seen before, surrounded by a white light, smiling at me (not evily, but happily). Then I had a fear of a heart attack because of my quicker stronger heartbeat. I dont know if its my spirit guide or my dead grandfather whom I never met unfortunately.
When I described him to my brother, he thinks its my grandfather.
Is this possible? Am I close?
Take a look at a picture of him. Do you have one? Maybe someone else in your family does if you don't?
Astral projection is everyone's birthright. I believe most everyone has had falling dreams. This is the conscious minds way of interpreting the sensation of returning to your body. That's right. Everyone astral projects every single night. The fact that some people do it consciously doesn't make them better than anyone else. It just makes them fortunate. It's like getting one of the best gifts you'll receive in your entire life.
If anything, astral projection should make us completely aware of our current state as nothing more than holograms. That's right, we are energy, transferred into a, pardon me if you will, Matrix of energy patterns. When we sleep, we have the potential to awaken to our true state.
For those projecting fear into this thread about the process and nature of astral projection should rethink themselves. It is exactly the reason you are incapable of a genuine and enlightened look at the process. There is nothing to fear but that which we don't know or understand. It is the very nature of FEAR itself. It is why close-minded people openly accept whatever they are told will SAVE them. They don't want to think for themselves because then they might have to do something crazy like start asking questions about our waking reality. Something which eventually leads to one's realization of their Holographic nature.
If a hologram realizes he's a hologram, would said hologram go crazy? Or would he realize the futility of living life as if it is the end all of existence? Knowing you are consciousness, merely transferred into these things we mistakenly think of as OUR bodies.
Anyone wishing to experience astral projection can do so. A good place to start is recording your dreams and reminding yourself that this is all a dream and you wish to wake up throughout your day. Or even continually asking yourself if this (waking reality) is a dream (Reality checks). Eventually you will ask yourself that in dreamtime. If you have the intestinal fortitude, you will become Lucid and know you are dreaming. Lucidity is the next step between unconscious travel in your 'DREAMS' and the act of intentionally projecting your consciousness away from your body.
Anyone who thinks their special because of this ability is letting their ego stick it's foot in their astral mouth. Sorry, you are not more special than anyone else. Again, you are just fortunate, and instead of bragging or seeing yourself as more enlightened than others, you'd do well to appreciate and being humbled by the experience. Remember you are just a hologram as well.
Later my holographic friends!
alright i realize that we are tryin to help this guy out but i cant realy seem to controll when i do it and when i dont so any help that i could get would greatly be appreciated jus pm me with the information and il try and get bak to you all later.
S3th, that was probably one of the best things Ive heard in the thread so far lol.
Ice, if you are having them, they come with experience. Once you I guess, master it, in general, you will be able to project it youself. I think Socrates could give you a better answer though.
Ice, if you are having them, they come with experience. Once you I guess, master it, in general, you will be able to project it youself. I think Socrates could give you a better answer though.
QUOTE(Socrates @ Jan 25 2006, 07:09 PM) [snapback]1035955[/snapback]
To some of you, the idea of astral travel, (astral projection, OBE) may seem completely insane. It did to me once too. But I decided to try it anyway, and had amazing results.
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Astral travel has been practised throughout history - and there have been thousands of documented scientific experiements confirming that astral travel is real.
People seek therapy because they 'wake up paralyzed and rigid' (sleep paralysis, a close component of astral travel) 'Wake up and see strange beings around them' (entities found in the astral plane) 'Find themselves floating or vibrating violently, or engulfed in a bright light' (sensations felt as the astral body leaves the physical body) Some people have even gone so far as to say their astral experiences are alien encounters.
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And, there are those who resent astral travel and/or refuse to beleive it is possible at all. Perhaps for one or more of the following reasons:
1. They beleive that astral experiences are actually dreams. (Wrong. Astral travel is a fully conscious experience, as thousands of people have confirmed worldwide.)
2. They beleive that those who claim to astral travel are under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol. (Wrong again. Drugs or Alcohol actually hinder astral travel. Furthermore, most people who astral travel began astral travelling at a very young age - 6 to 12.)
3. They beleive what people describe as an astral experience is actually an alien abduction. (Thrice wrong. Although, waking paralyzed, seeing strange entities, and being engulfed in a blinding white light may be likened to an alien abduction, such symptoms are components of the first stages of astral travel.)
4. They beleive people claim to be able to astral travel for publicity, money, or attention in general. (Indeed, some people may use astral travel for such a purpose, or claim that they are able to astral travel when in actuality they cannot. However, astral travel is an enlightening spiritual experience, and he or she who has astral travelled normally understands the importance of keeping such a controvertial hobby quiet. Furthermore, it is commonly known that if one astral travels for selfish or evil purposes, they are likely to find themselves attracting unpleasant entities.)
5. They beleive astral travel is evil, and a sin unto god. (A misconception. As said above, astral travel is a spiritually enlightening and developing experience, not an evil or sinful one. The bible actually talkes about astral travel on several occasions; it describes people as being "in the spirit" while receiving prophecy. Terminology of astral projection is also found in:
Ecclesiastes 12:6-12:7:
"Remember [your Creator] — before the silver cord is severed,
or the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
or the wheel broken at the well,
and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it."
The passage is talking about what happens when we die.
The silver cord this passage talks about exists when one projects. It links the physical body to the astral one. Don't worry - It can only be severed if we die in the physical world. The golden bowl refers to the 'crown chakra' the main energy center of the body, used to project. Biblical Scholars attribute these lines to astral projection or the astral body in general.
Those are some of the more common reasons people resent or refuse to beleive astral travel is possible. Hopefully I have cleared up some of the myths associated with this phenomena.
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Here is a technique for astral travel. I bluntly call it the '4 in the morning technique' I have tried many methods over the past two years, and this one had the best results. I have written it out in steps. It involves getting up at 4 o'clock in the morning - a little extra effort, but it is by far worth it. The reasons for waking up at 4 in the morning are:
- You will be drowsy and it will be easier to clear your head.
- You will drift off to sleep much faster.
- You will have gotten up for a purpose; your body and mind will be tuned to what you are trying to achieve.
A note to those who are skeptical about astral travel but still wish to try it: You must keep an open mind while attempting to project. Any negative thoughts or feelings will certainly hold you back. Stay positive, open, and willing.
The technique is as follows:
Set your alarm for 4 o'clock in the morning.
Allow yourself to drift asleep.
At four in the morning, the alarm will wake you. Get out of bed turn on the light, and splash water on your face. Dry your face with a towell.
After about two minutes, get back in bed. Lie on your back.
You will most likely be feeling groggy and tired. Your mind will be eager to get back to sleep.
Close your eyes, and clear your mind. This should be easy because you are so tired.
Now, imagine you are standing somewhere in your room. Perhaps in the far corner. Vividly see yourself standing there. Know that you are standing there, and that your body is still lying on the bed. Focus your whole mind on this concept.
While working on that, begin a simple affirmation in your head. "I am going to astral travel. I am going to leave my body." Say it in your head, over and over, while imagining you are on the other side of the room.
While you are doing this, you will begin to drift back to sleep. Slowly, your mind will begin to cloud. Make sure that the concept of standing elsewhere in your room is the last thing that goes through your mind before you are asleep.
You may experience one or more of the following sensations:
- Floating
- Sinking
- Vibrations
- A bright white/blue light
- A rushing or popping sound
- Starnge noises; someone calling your name
- A jolt
If you experience one or more of these sensations for the first time, it may be frightening. But know that they are positive signs; signs that let you know you're about to project.
Almost always, apon feeling a strange sensation, the person trying to project gets such a fright that he/she is jolted back into their body. If this happens to you, allow yourself to fall asleep and try again the next night, knowing presently that there is nothing to fear.
If you find yourself outside your body, do not stay out for too long the first time. Float about your room, become used to the physics of the astral plane, and then will yourself back into your body. You can start exploring after a 24 hour break. There may be a guide waiting for you. This guide will watch over you and take you where you please. Talk briefly with the guide, and say you will project again in 24 hours.
When 24 hours pass, you will be ready to explore and venture further than your room. You may not even have to use drifting off to sleep as a medium for astral travel.
If, after several attempts, you still have not projected, do not be detered. It is likely you will have felt some of the sensations above while trying, and this is a positive sign. You must remember that it is a matter of willpower. You can't just casually attempt to project in a one-off scenario. Think about astral travel throughout the day. Buy a book on astral travel. Attempt to astral travel everynight. Eventually, I gurantee, you will get out.
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That's all I have time for at the moment. If you have any questions about the technique I listed, or about astral travel or the astral plane, send me a PM. I will be happy to help.
Well the only thing i can say to you then is record it on video and put it on here for a better clarification of exactly what you are doing!
And personaly by knowledge alone i believe humans have the ability to speak to one, another telepathicaly a probable ability to be able to connect to one another through a link in the mind alone!
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Well the only thing i can say to you then is record it on video and put it on here for a better clarification of exactly what you are doing!
And personaly by knowledge alone i believe humans have the ability to speak to one, another telepathicaly a probable ability to be able to connect to one another through a link in the mind alone!
you cant, if he did, all you will seem him do is sleep, plus its kind of hard to focus when you know your being watched
plus i tried again last night, except i tried a differet way, and after about five minuets, i felt my finger twictch, then my hand, and then it stopped, ten minuets later i felt my body being completely elivated( meaning my head felt level with my body/ other way around) then i felt it slowly begin to sink, and while doing this i felt an undescribable motion, i could tell i wasn't fear/evil/scary though
QUOTE(firebat @ Jun 17 2006, 05:21 AM) [snapback]1234982[/snapback]
plus i tried again last night, except i tried a differet way, and after about five minuets, i felt my finger twictch, then my hand, and then it stopped, ten minuets later i felt my body being completely elivated( meaning my head felt level with my body/ other way around) then i felt it slowly begin to sink, and while doing this i felt an undescribable motion, i could tell i wasn't fear/evil/scary though
A different way? Do tell. The motion you can't describe? That is an excellent way of describing it. The sinking feeling is one of the precursors of a projection.
For those who haven't and are trying or would like to try, here are some hints that seemed to help me and others who have projected.
Read books or experiences about other peoples projections throughout the day and especially before you go to sleep. This keeps it in your conscious and subconcious mind when you prepare to naturally project (dream).
Waking up throughout the night or at 4 am as was previously suggested is a great idea. Eventually you will create a pattern of waking up at that time. One day you may find yourself awake, but not completely back in your body. If you see your arms or legs sticking up out of your body, don't freak out. Your seeing with your astral eyes.
Fear is a big projection killer. You need to address any fears you have and move past them. Your body will not allow you to continue a projection if you are in a state of fear. I have been very disappointed with early endings to my projections due to not having addressed those fears ahead of time.
Keeping a dream journal. There are two huge reasons for this. And a multitude of benefits that can arise from keeping a dream journal as well.
1) Journaling your visions from dreamtime opens up a portal in your mind which allows more of your 'dream' memories to flow outward into your conscious waking reality. This portal however is a two way street so-to-speak. The more dreamtime memories you bring into conscious reality, the more capable you become of engaging the flow the other way. Bringing your conscious mind into Dreamtime readies you for lucidity and eventually, conscious projections.
2) What good would it be for you to have a projection experience mounted from within Dreamtime, if you cannot recall and record it.
Recording your dreams is really cool when you read them months or even years later. Why you ask? Because then, you'll find out exactly how powerful your dreamtime experiences are. You'll be amazed how many of your dreams were glimpses into the future. Serious. I am always shocked and pleasantly surprised when I read over my old dreams. It's funny how much transformation my thought processes, including the image of what or who I am has changed. Years ago, I thought I was a human being trying to be more Spiritual. Now, I am quite certain I am a multi-dimensional being having a human experience. My days as a worthless sinner are over. It's a mask, illusion, and sneaky ass trick 'Corrupt men' have played on the masses. It's why the Matrix was such a successful film. It's why other movies with a similar theme (Our reality being an illusion) are so popular. We all vibrate to the underlying truth of stories like that.
Thanks cjk1000!
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Keeping a dream journal. There are two huge reasons for this. And a multitude of benefits that can arise from keeping a dream journal as well.
I am going to do this tonight lol.
By the way, since my family isnt too considerate, I usually get woken up earlier then usual, or during REM sleep. I notice that unless I have had a full nights sleep and wake up normally, I tend to not remember my dreams.
Its only during natural awakening I can fully remember that. Got any suggestions?
Oh, the idea of dreams and the future is so true! I wonder what I will have written by the end of the summer vacation.
QUOTE(S3th @ Jun 17 2006, 01:09 PM) [snapback]1235195[/snapback]
A different way? Do tell. The motion you can't describe? That is an excellent way of describing it. The sinking feeling is one of the precursors of a projection.
sry i made an error, it wasnt a motion it was an emotion, and il try to describe it. it basically felt like a happy nausia feeling, not a sick but joy like, i dident find it scary but it came in waves, my feeling can only closy match to that
as for the second theory to astral projection, I learned to do thses steps, and no offence to socrates,but it works alot better.
1. pick a room in your house, i heard to choose the kitchen if your new at astral projection,because it has lots of stuff, so i did.
2. take a look at your kitchen as if its the first time you've seen it, slowly pick one side of the kitchen and work you way across,look at things , look at the window sill, look out the window, feel the counter top, objects, the refrigerator, stove, microwave etc. do this for aleast 5 min.
3. now go pick a quiet room, like your bedroom or front room, some were quiet.
4. as normal, relax your body, close your eyes and remember your self in the kitchen as if you were actully there at the moment, remember all the things you felt and saw.
5. keep doing this in your mind for about 20-30 minuets each day and you will be on your way, even if some days its boring, do it anyway.
it worked for me so good, that i felt within five minuets, as explained earlier.
but this is just another way of doing it
a while ago i decited to start a dream journal and since then i have rembered at least 1 of my dreams a night and each day they got longer and longer and i can rember them fully is this my dream memory growing? and it seems easier for me to try and astral trave like i only have to sit there for like 10 min and i start to feel some of the senseations.
yet again i tried astral travel this afternoon, and i got that un explainable feeling again, just the feeling this time, but the only difference was it occured more than it did last time
This is mainly for Raistlin, who appears to be the most experienced astral projectionist in this thread...
DUDE!!!! if what you've been saying is true (and I haave few doubts), then you have developed an extraordinary talent, man.
There's so much I need to say, but I'll discover the answers to some of my questions on my own. I inted to AP tonight and every night for the next month. With that kinda determination, I'm definately gonna get somewhere (the moon is my first major goal-I wanna see our planet from afar).
I'll limit the rest of this post to two questions/thoughts.
1: Edgar Cayce, and many AP'ers I've read about, have stated that Jesus did indeed return in 1998. I also read that Nostradamus predicted Jesus' return to be in 1999. Perhaps Cayce predicted Jesus' conception, and Nostradamus predicted his birth 9 months later?
Since Jesus' first coming was through a modest birth (not a great king appearing to conquer the earth, as many had thought beforehand), I personally see it likely that his second coming will be just as the first; a rather unnoticed birth into the world as a human being, not as a descention from heaven as a powerful entity.
What are your thoughts on this? Have you previously read anything interesting about Christ's return from the Akashic records?
>>>If you don't believe in this sort of thing, please: no negative remarks, just thoughts and encouragements.
2: Do the Akashic records, or any other source you can access, reveal future events? If so, to what extent?
Thanks man. Keep up the fight for life.
After you reply to this post, if you so choose, I'll share some of my thoughts on an entirely different subject.
DUDE!!!! if what you've been saying is true (and I haave few doubts), then you have developed an extraordinary talent, man.
There's so much I need to say, but I'll discover the answers to some of my questions on my own. I inted to AP tonight and every night for the next month. With that kinda determination, I'm definately gonna get somewhere (the moon is my first major goal-I wanna see our planet from afar).
I'll limit the rest of this post to two questions/thoughts.
1: Edgar Cayce, and many AP'ers I've read about, have stated that Jesus did indeed return in 1998. I also read that Nostradamus predicted Jesus' return to be in 1999. Perhaps Cayce predicted Jesus' conception, and Nostradamus predicted his birth 9 months later?
Since Jesus' first coming was through a modest birth (not a great king appearing to conquer the earth, as many had thought beforehand), I personally see it likely that his second coming will be just as the first; a rather unnoticed birth into the world as a human being, not as a descention from heaven as a powerful entity.
What are your thoughts on this? Have you previously read anything interesting about Christ's return from the Akashic records?
>>>If you don't believe in this sort of thing, please: no negative remarks, just thoughts and encouragements.
2: Do the Akashic records, or any other source you can access, reveal future events? If so, to what extent?
Thanks man. Keep up the fight for life.
After you reply to this post, if you so choose, I'll share some of my thoughts on an entirely different subject.
why do you care so much about the "return" of jesus?
well, i tried yet again to astral project and all i get now is the unexplained emotion/feeling in my body, it has gotten as strong as it can, and everytime it tries to get stronger my body may tighten up /twitch in the sameplace
This message is for TheSilver who's taken the time to read the thread's i post carefully and not misconstrue my meanings:
I'll tell it how it is man, the akashic records say nothing that hasn't been pre-destined through jesus's second/third? coming. Alot of people thought there would some type of mass hysteria etc etc NO. Jesus I believe has lived among us because on the day of judgement there is only 2 people..suited to make such judgements. Our creators, if you really think about it, is it that imporbable for Jesus to live among us as a normal person, nudging us int he right direction now and again. If you stop and think about this you might realise that Jesus and god are almighty. They can if they so choose be anyone and everyone lol so to wrap your mind around the fact that somene u know could techincally be Jesus.. in theory nudging us the right way now and again, making sure we stay pure etc. The devil does it quite the opposite but.. I'd rather not speak on him.. i'm not really on good terms with guy. Anyway the predictions Made by nastradamus have made alot of people sit on edge because of the bone chilling proximity of truth his words strike with about future events.. and yes u can see into the future through the Akashic records but I warn you... do not ever meddle with that. Even I won't and ive been doing this for close to 18 years earth time anyway.. akashic time ..i've been at this longer than you care to or want to know. If you have anymore questions jus ask.
I'll tell it how it is man, the akashic records say nothing that hasn't been pre-destined through jesus's second/third? coming. Alot of people thought there would some type of mass hysteria etc etc NO. Jesus I believe has lived among us because on the day of judgement there is only 2 people..suited to make such judgements. Our creators, if you really think about it, is it that imporbable for Jesus to live among us as a normal person, nudging us int he right direction now and again. If you stop and think about this you might realise that Jesus and god are almighty. They can if they so choose be anyone and everyone lol so to wrap your mind around the fact that somene u know could techincally be Jesus.. in theory nudging us the right way now and again, making sure we stay pure etc. The devil does it quite the opposite but.. I'd rather not speak on him.. i'm not really on good terms with guy. Anyway the predictions Made by nastradamus have made alot of people sit on edge because of the bone chilling proximity of truth his words strike with about future events.. and yes u can see into the future through the Akashic records but I warn you... do not ever meddle with that. Even I won't and ive been doing this for close to 18 years earth time anyway.. akashic time ..i've been at this longer than you care to or want to know. If you have anymore questions jus ask.
Why do I care so much about the return of Jesus?
I'm just curious, that's all. Thanks for asking.
And Raistlin, you've been at it longer than I care to or want to know?
Actually, I'd really like to know.
When astral projecting, do you pass through time as it occurs?
Does time stand still?
Do you choose at what time you exist/witness events?
If time flows differently, can you stay what seems a year in spirit form, and then return to your body and only have 1 physical night pass?
I'm just curious, that's all. Thanks for asking.
And Raistlin, you've been at it longer than I care to or want to know?
Actually, I'd really like to know.
When astral projecting, do you pass through time as it occurs?
Does time stand still?
Do you choose at what time you exist/witness events?
If time flows differently, can you stay what seems a year in spirit form, and then return to your body and only have 1 physical night pass?
Hey I'd just like to ask one of you something, after Aping for the 6th time last night the "reintegration" problems where worse than ever, I was blind for nearly a minute and unable to move, when I finnaly did get up I was dizzy for a good ten minutes, I assumed that the transition would get easier as time went on but it just seems to get harder.
well even though this isent the main topic but i have talked about me trying to lucid dream so i can try and astral. well today when i took a nap cuse i was so exausted i finally had my first lucid dream that i can remember even though id only lasted a minuite because i jumped off my stairs to try and fly i felt really good when i tried it was a very cool experience
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well even though this isent the main topic but i have talked about me trying to lucid dream so i can try and astral. well today when i took a nap cuse i was so exausted i finally had my first lucid dream that i can remember even though id only lasted a minuite because i jumped off my stairs to try and fly i felt really good when i tried it was a very cool experience
Nice, lucid dreams are good platforms for AP. The trick is to bring consciousness into the dream, exert some control over it, and decide that you want to have a fully conscious OBE.
Several out-of-body experimenters suggest that flying dreams could be unconscious OBEs, if there is such a thing...In your next "flying dream," try to obtain some piece of as-yet-unknown information. If you later verify it, this suggests you may have had an OBE, but if the information is not correct, you probably had a flying dream.
I haven't a fully lucid in a little while but this morning I had like 2 false awakenings, where I wake up in my dream but I'm still dreaming. :S
OK, well you asked Silver lol.
I've been traversing the astral plane for at least a few thousand years. Minimum, can I go through time, Yes. Do I choose how long I stay out there yes, Ive stayed at the akashic records once for a few hundred years at one time Merely studying. You hvae to understand the time difference from The earth time and time on the astral plane, it's extremely slowed between both. I do not recommend time travel through the astral plane to anyone, None of you would be ready for that, I damn near made my own mind explode byt eh vastness of wormholes involved. For those unexperienced with this.. would need years and years of practice. I've been doing this close to 18 years and I can barely handle it, albeit ive done it and I still don't recommend it.
I've been traversing the astral plane for at least a few thousand years. Minimum, can I go through time, Yes. Do I choose how long I stay out there yes, Ive stayed at the akashic records once for a few hundred years at one time Merely studying. You hvae to understand the time difference from The earth time and time on the astral plane, it's extremely slowed between both. I do not recommend time travel through the astral plane to anyone, None of you would be ready for that, I damn near made my own mind explode byt eh vastness of wormholes involved. For those unexperienced with this.. would need years and years of practice. I've been doing this close to 18 years and I can barely handle it, albeit ive done it and I still don't recommend it.
and if you wish you ask more privately contact me:
kemp_ster2003@hotmail.com
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Jun 14 2006, 05:30 PM) [snapback]1231515[/snapback]
True enough.
Im not quite sure why you said that is called Satan in your country... could you elaborate slightly? Im canadian 2. I don't follow.
Wusup Kaknelson, Im from Ethiopia, thas what i meant by in my country, they think anything supernatural is SATANIC, anything that you do past midnight is demonic.
That all makes sense to me, but as long as you call upon The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit, its all good. BTW where are you from? I see you reppin our flag devotedly
~*Peace*~ & ~*Love*~
Quick q, Raistlin.
If you stay out for 100+ years of astral time in one physical night, then come back to the physical and wake up the next morning, do you even have memory of all those 100+ years of studying/etc. AND of your physical life, like the physical yesterday that your body experienced?
If you experience 100+ years in one night, do you forget the past physical days as one would naturally forget past events, or remember them like they were yesterday?
And the akashic records; are they like a library with lots of books you have to search through, or an essence that you "feel," or you just ask a question and it is answered? what is the experience like?
If you stay out for 100+ years of astral time in one physical night, then come back to the physical and wake up the next morning, do you even have memory of all those 100+ years of studying/etc. AND of your physical life, like the physical yesterday that your body experienced?
If you experience 100+ years in one night, do you forget the past physical days as one would naturally forget past events, or remember them like they were yesterday?
And the akashic records; are they like a library with lots of books you have to search through, or an essence that you "feel," or you just ask a question and it is answered? what is the experience like?
QUOTE(Socrates @ Jan 25 2006, 07:09 PM) [snapback]1035955[/snapback]
To some of you, the idea of astral travel, (astral projection, OBE) may seem completely insane. It did to me once too. But I decided to try it anyway, and had amazing results.
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Astral travel has been practised throughout history - and there have been thousands of documented scientific experiements confirming that astral travel is real.
People seek therapy because they 'wake up paralyzed and rigid' (sleep paralysis, a close component of astral travel) 'Wake up and see strange beings around them' (entities found in the astral plane) 'Find themselves floating or vibrating violently, or engulfed in a bright light' (sensations felt as the astral body leaves the physical body) Some people have even gone so far as to say their astral experiences are alien encounters.
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And, there are those who resent astral travel and/or refuse to beleive it is possible at all. Perhaps for one or more of the following reasons:
1. They beleive that astral experiences are actually dreams. (Wrong. Astral travel is a fully conscious experience, as thousands of people have confirmed worldwide.)
2. They beleive that those who claim to astral travel are under the influence of drugs and/or alcohol. (Wrong again. Drugs or Alcohol actually hinder astral travel. Furthermore, most people who astral travel began astral travelling at a very young age - 6 to 12.)
3. They beleive what people describe as an astral experience is actually an alien abduction. (Thrice wrong. Although, waking paralyzed, seeing strange entities, and being engulfed in a blinding white light may be likened to an alien abduction, such symptoms are components of the first stages of astral travel.)
4. They beleive people claim to be able to astral travel for publicity, money, or attention in general. (Indeed, some people may use astral travel for such a purpose, or claim that they are able to astral travel when in actuality they cannot. However, astral travel is an enlightening spiritual experience, and he or she who has astral travelled normally understands the importance of keeping such a controvertial hobby quiet. Furthermore, it is commonly known that if one astral travels for selfish or evil purposes, they are likely to find themselves attracting unpleasant entities.)
5. They beleive astral travel is evil, and a sin unto god. (A misconception. As said above, astral travel is a spiritually enlightening and developing experience, not an evil or sinful one. The bible actually talkes about astral travel on several occasions; it describes people as being "in the spirit" while receiving prophecy. Terminology of astral projection is also found in:
Ecclesiastes 12:6-12:7:
"Remember [your Creator] — before the silver cord is severed,
or the golden bowl is broken;
before the pitcher is shattered at the spring,
or the wheel broken at the well,
and the dust returns to the ground it came from,
and the spirit returns to God who gave it."
The passage is talking about what happens when we die.
The silver cord this passage talks about exists when one projects. It links the physical body to the astral one. Don't worry - It can only be severed if we die in the physical world. The golden bowl refers to the 'crown chakra' the main energy center of the body, used to project. Biblical Scholars attribute these lines to astral projection or the astral body in general.
Those are some of the more common reasons people resent or refuse to beleive astral travel is possible. Hopefully I have cleared up some of the myths associated with this phenomena.
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Here is a technique for astral travel. I bluntly call it the '4 in the morning technique' I have tried many methods over the past two years, and this one had the best results. I have written it out in steps. It involves getting up at 4 o'clock in the morning - a little extra effort, but it is by far worth it. The reasons for waking up at 4 in the morning are:
- You will be drowsy and it will be easier to clear your head.
- You will drift off to sleep much faster.
- You will have gotten up for a purpose; your body and mind will be tuned to what you are trying to achieve.
A note to those who are skeptical about astral travel but still wish to try it: You must keep an open mind while attempting to project. Any negative thoughts or feelings will certainly hold you back. Stay positive, open, and willing.
The technique is as follows:
Set your alarm for 4 o'clock in the morning.
Allow yourself to drift asleep.
At four in the morning, the alarm will wake you. Get out of bed turn on the light, and splash water on your face. Dry your face with a towell.
After about two minutes, get back in bed. Lie on your back.
You will most likely be feeling groggy and tired. Your mind will be eager to get back to sleep.
Close your eyes, and clear your mind. This should be easy because you are so tired.
Now, imagine you are standing somewhere in your room. Perhaps in the far corner. Vividly see yourself standing there. Know that you are standing there, and that your body is still lying on the bed. Focus your whole mind on this concept.
While working on that, begin a simple affirmation in your head. "I am going to astral travel. I am going to leave my body." Say it in your head, over and over, while imagining you are on the other side of the room.
While you are doing this, you will begin to drift back to sleep. Slowly, your mind will begin to cloud. Make sure that the concept of standing elsewhere in your room is the last thing that goes through your mind before you are asleep.
You may experience one or more of the following sensations:
- Floating
- Sinking
- Vibrations
- A bright white/blue light
- A rushing or popping sound
- Starnge noises; someone calling your name
- A jolt
If you experience one or more of these sensations for the first time, it may be frightening. But know that they are positive signs; signs that let you know you're about to project.
Almost always, apon feeling a strange sensation, the person trying to project gets such a fright that he/she is jolted back into their body. If this happens to you, allow yourself to fall asleep and try again the next night, knowing presently that there is nothing to fear.
If you find yourself outside your body, do not stay out for too long the first time. Float about your room, become used to the physics of the astral plane, and then will yourself back into your body. You can start exploring after a 24 hour break. There may be a guide waiting for you. This guide will watch over you and take you where you please. Talk briefly with the guide, and say you will project again in 24 hours.
When 24 hours pass, you will be ready to explore and venture further than your room. You may not even have to use drifting off to sleep as a medium for astral travel.
If, after several attempts, you still have not projected, do not be detered. It is likely you will have felt some of the sensations above while trying, and this is a positive sign. You must remember that it is a matter of willpower. You can't just casually attempt to project in a one-off scenario. Think about astral travel throughout the day. Buy a book on astral travel. Attempt to astral travel everynight. Eventually, I gurantee, you will get out.
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That's all I have time for at the moment. If you have any questions about the technique I listed, or about astral travel or the astral plane, send me a PM. I will be happy to help.
So could this topic debunk a good percentage of Ghosts, and Paranomal activity?
I mean sure i have been in a situtaion where i felt like i was being held down while i was sleeping i felt like i wanted to wake up but something was stopping me i felt parylized i felt like i was awake but my body would'nt move at all!
And when i finaly did regain function of my self upon waking up from what seemed so real to me as to what happened! I seen a dark shadow figure cross the cealing move on through the wall of my room!
Does this experience have anything to do with Astral Travel?
QUOTE(Malakh @ Jun 19 2006, 09:24 AM) [snapback]1237414[/snapback]
Wusup Kaknelson, Im from Ethiopia, thas what i meant by in my country, they think anything supernatural is SATANIC, anything that you do past midnight is demonic.
That all makes sense to me, but as long as you call upon The Father The Son and The Holy Spirit, its all good. BTW where are you from? I see you reppin our flag devotedly
~*Peace*~ & ~*Love*~
I am 3rd generation Canadian bredrin.
White Lion, from Zion.
InI rep the Rasta or Ethiopian flag, to keep the King of Kings Selassie I, alive.
Hey there all,
As I have said before, great to see so many new projectors.
Also great to see the experienced projectors answering questions and helping out. Some of you are authentic, modest people, and some of you are fakes. I'll let the newbies decide for themselves who to trust.
I just wanted to go over the topic of dimensions, as some of you seem to be getting the wrong idea about them.
The key idea you must know is this: We are a part of a metaphysical universe. Picture it as a globe. The physical realm in which we live is the epidermis, or crust. Energy is exerted from the center of the globe and presents itself in vibrational frequencies. The closer to the center of the globe, the higher the vibrational frequency, and thus the higher the dimension.
Remember what I went over before? The higher the dimension, the more beautiful and defined your surroundings are, and the more divine the entities which live there are.
As the energy is exerted further, the vibrational frequencies get lower, and the dimensions get lower too. The lower the dimension, the more dark and bland your surroundings, and the more simplistic and negative entities get.
It's also very important to note that the dimensions are not layered like a globe. I used the globe concept to give you an idea of the energy exertion and it's effect on the vibrational frequencies of dimensions.
In reality, all dimensions are merged into one. Say you are in a middle-level dimension. The entities and objects you behold are there because they operate on the same vibrational frequency as the dimension itself. So do you, or else you wouldn't be there in the first place. If you change your vibrational frequency, whether it be by visualisation or any other of a myriad of techniques, the dimension will change to that frequency, and you will behold entities and objects which are of equal frequency. You have not moved; you have simply altered your perception.
It sounds complicated, but it's really very simple once you've projected and managed to master alternating between dimensions.
Check out the picture below:
As I have said before, great to see so many new projectors.
Also great to see the experienced projectors answering questions and helping out. Some of you are authentic, modest people, and some of you are fakes. I'll let the newbies decide for themselves who to trust.
I just wanted to go over the topic of dimensions, as some of you seem to be getting the wrong idea about them.
The key idea you must know is this: We are a part of a metaphysical universe. Picture it as a globe. The physical realm in which we live is the epidermis, or crust. Energy is exerted from the center of the globe and presents itself in vibrational frequencies. The closer to the center of the globe, the higher the vibrational frequency, and thus the higher the dimension.
Remember what I went over before? The higher the dimension, the more beautiful and defined your surroundings are, and the more divine the entities which live there are.
As the energy is exerted further, the vibrational frequencies get lower, and the dimensions get lower too. The lower the dimension, the more dark and bland your surroundings, and the more simplistic and negative entities get.
It's also very important to note that the dimensions are not layered like a globe. I used the globe concept to give you an idea of the energy exertion and it's effect on the vibrational frequencies of dimensions.
In reality, all dimensions are merged into one. Say you are in a middle-level dimension. The entities and objects you behold are there because they operate on the same vibrational frequency as the dimension itself. So do you, or else you wouldn't be there in the first place. If you change your vibrational frequency, whether it be by visualisation or any other of a myriad of techniques, the dimension will change to that frequency, and you will behold entities and objects which are of equal frequency. You have not moved; you have simply altered your perception.
It sounds complicated, but it's really very simple once you've projected and managed to master alternating between dimensions.
Check out the picture below:
QUOTE(Socrates @ Jun 20 2006, 01:06 AM) [snapback]1238328[/snapback]
Hey there all,
As I have said before, great to see so many new projectors.
Also great to see the experienced projectors answering questions and helping out. Some of you are authentic, modest people, and some of you are fakes. I'll let the newbies decide for themselves who to trust.
I just wanted to go over the topic of dimensions, as some of you seem to be getting the wrong idea about them.
The key idea you must know is this: We are a part of a metaphysical universe. Picture it as a globe. The physical realm in which we live is the epidermis, or crust. Energy is exerted from the center of the globe and presents itself in vibrational frequencies. The closer to the center of the globe, the higher the vibrational frequency, and thus the higher the dimension.
Remember what I went over before? The higher the dimension, the more beautiful and defined your surroundings are, and the more divine the entities which live there are.
As the energy is exerted further, the vibrational frequencies get lower, and the dimensions get lower too. The lower the dimension, the more dark and bland your surroundings, and the more simplistic and negative entities get.
It's also very important to note that the dimensions are not layered like a globe. I used the globe concept to give you an idea of the energy exertion and it's effect on the vibrational frequencies of dimensions.
In reality, all dimensions are merged into one. Say you are in a middle-level dimension. The entities and objects you behold are there because they operate on the same vibrational frequency as the dimension itself. So do you, or else you wouldn't be there in the first place. If you change your vibrational frequency, whether it be by visualisation or any other of a myriad of techniques, the dimension will change to that frequency, and you will behold entities and objects which are of equal frequency. You have not moved; you have simply altered your perception.
ok that tells me?
that someone made this up?
Seriosly is there an absolute answer to this Astral Travel?
or does it blen in with other beliefs? as most things on here seem to do!
It sounds complicated, but it's really very simple once you've projected and managed to master alternating between dimensions.
Check out the picture below:
Looks like DMT an extract from hardings grass family is the easy way to do Astral travel.
My search points me to pineal gland as the one responsible for having psyhic powers and DMT activates that gland.
Shamans have been taking it.
My search points me to pineal gland as the one responsible for having psyhic powers and DMT activates that gland.
Shamans have been taking it.
Nice post Socrates, I've noticed myself the way the planes are steadily less like the physical but thats a really good explanation.
Silver the akashic records are the universes playground for books... the place never ends. Literally.. books cover ever wall and go forever i think lol.. ive never took the time to follow the walls all the way to the end, I just gott he librarian to get stuff for me when i dont have time to go searching for it.
And yes you will have the memory of how long you were gone for, but i tell you now. The longer you stay out the more your body will be exhausted when u get back.. it can be very energy vexing on your physical self if you havent practiced this enough.
hey, i could travel into people minds and find out pretty much ever i want about them and in that process, me and their self-conscious meet together in the sky. i can also search for a persons position on earth through spirit and send my spirit searching into someone in close proximity. sometimes, in my dreams, i travel to places where people don't see me.
is this any form of astral projection or if not, what it?
is this any form of astral projection or if not, what it?
Ok, I so was reading through about ten pages, and then I couldn't take it anymore. When I was younger and going to sleep, I would always feel a jolt before I went to sleep. That is a sign of getting to Astral Projection right? I'm too lazy to look back. 
Now that school's out I'm gonna try that technique.
Thanks
Now that school's out I'm gonna try that technique.
Thanks
So in my next lucid dream what should i do to astral travel just think of a place in my room and think about astral traveling and leaving my body?
As I read earlier in this thread, Socrates posted that in a lucid dream, just do something like shouting "I want to astral project" and you should be able to do it.
Here is another method that is easy to learn...as there is no one right method. Try different methods or make up your own if you don't succeed. You know the cliche, "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results".
1.Simply lay down with the lights off. Make sure you are completely relaxed. Lie there and be quite and still, calm and clear your mind.
2.Imagine your astral body which may look like gray matter shaped in the form of your body. Imagine it lifting and floating out of your body, floating up to the ceiling in your room.
3.Turn and look down and try to see you body lying there. If you are successful you may want to stay in the room and float around a bit, staying close to the body. Or you can choose to walk through walls and travel to where ever you wish to go. You can fly there or you can will yourself there instantly.
Here are some pointers...
***Watch what you think. Everything you think can manifest on the astral planes. So you don't want to be thinking about anything evil or you will attract it!
***Anytime you think you are scared and or lost, just think of your body and you will be back in it in a flash.
***The use of drugs can lower your vibrations meaning you will not be able to travel to higher astral planes where the vibrations are higher.
***The reason you will want to travel higher on the astral planes is because you may have to escape an attack by a lower vibrating entity. They can not travel to the higher planes.
Raw-Junkie:
First recognize it and say "WOW!!! I AM DREAMING!! I AM IN A LUCID DREAM!!" Try to take control of the dream and go where you wish. You can simply will the dream or intend it to become more clear and stable by saying forcefully and w/ complete confidence what you wish and make manifest...for example: "IT'S TIME FOR AN OBE/AP!!" or "FIND THE PHYSICAL BODY BUT DON'T GET TRAPPED INTO IT. PREPARE FOR AN OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE!!!", or whatnot.
When you have achieved control and full consciousness you will know you have had an OBE. Then you will say "WOW!!! I AM OUT OF BODY!!!! I'M HAVING AN OBE!!!".
Thinking you are out of body leads to a whole different kind of experience. Your THOUGHTS, beliefs, and your INTENT are what creates and maintains your experience when you are dealing with less dense energy-fields. Your experience is definitely what YOU make it, by how you view it at the time!
1.Simply lay down with the lights off. Make sure you are completely relaxed. Lie there and be quite and still, calm and clear your mind.
2.Imagine your astral body which may look like gray matter shaped in the form of your body. Imagine it lifting and floating out of your body, floating up to the ceiling in your room.
3.Turn and look down and try to see you body lying there. If you are successful you may want to stay in the room and float around a bit, staying close to the body. Or you can choose to walk through walls and travel to where ever you wish to go. You can fly there or you can will yourself there instantly.
Here are some pointers...
***Watch what you think. Everything you think can manifest on the astral planes. So you don't want to be thinking about anything evil or you will attract it!
***Anytime you think you are scared and or lost, just think of your body and you will be back in it in a flash.
***The use of drugs can lower your vibrations meaning you will not be able to travel to higher astral planes where the vibrations are higher.
***The reason you will want to travel higher on the astral planes is because you may have to escape an attack by a lower vibrating entity. They can not travel to the higher planes.
Raw-Junkie:
First recognize it and say "WOW!!! I AM DREAMING!! I AM IN A LUCID DREAM!!" Try to take control of the dream and go where you wish. You can simply will the dream or intend it to become more clear and stable by saying forcefully and w/ complete confidence what you wish and make manifest...for example: "IT'S TIME FOR AN OBE/AP!!" or "FIND THE PHYSICAL BODY BUT DON'T GET TRAPPED INTO IT. PREPARE FOR AN OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE!!!", or whatnot.
When you have achieved control and full consciousness you will know you have had an OBE. Then you will say "WOW!!! I AM OUT OF BODY!!!! I'M HAVING AN OBE!!!".
Thinking you are out of body leads to a whole different kind of experience. Your THOUGHTS, beliefs, and your INTENT are what creates and maintains your experience when you are dealing with less dense energy-fields. Your experience is definitely what YOU make it, by how you view it at the time!
QUOTE(SandDunePsychonaut @ Jun 20 2006, 11:41 PM) [snapback]1239771[/snapback]
Here are some pointers...
***Ever notice that when you are falling in a dream and you hit the bottom you always wake up quickly! That is your astral body snapping back into place.
This isn't always true.
My brother hits the ground and gets up and dusts himself off. That blew me away. He never wakes in those situations.
that's truly revolutionary Kaknelson, thank you
What a waste of memory, bah haha ha
Good going wasted that brainwash on somthing useless.
Controlling dreams are useless, in a world with dimensions living right next to us, called humans. What you do in your head should be what it is, not convincing your self there is another plane or world out there, The outside of your head is the same as the inside of your head, although i shouldnt be washing the dishes infront of everyones eyes, no joke that was straight up crazy sublime
Good going wasted that brainwash on somthing useless.
Controlling dreams are useless, in a world with dimensions living right next to us, called humans. What you do in your head should be what it is, not convincing your self there is another plane or world out there, The outside of your head is the same as the inside of your head, although i shouldnt be washing the dishes infront of everyones eyes, no joke that was straight up crazy sublime
QUOTE(SandDunePsychonaut @ Jun 20 2006, 11:51 PM) [snapback]1239783[/snapback]
that's truly revolutionary Kaknelson, thank you
I don't know if your being sincere or not, but thanks.
It really blew me away when he told me that. He said he can just volentaraly fly in his dreams aswell. I cannot!
The laws of earth still seem to apply in my dreams, i cannot fly, just as i cannot fly on earth.
QUOTE(Avius @ Jun 21 2006, 12:52 AM) [snapback]1239787[/snapback]
Controlling dreams are useless, in a world with dimensions living right next to us, called humans. What you do in your head should be what it is, not convincing your self there is another plane or world out there, The outside of your head is the same as the inside of your head
There is some truth to the above, but by the rest of your post alone I'm guessing that you've never exerienced OB.
Edit: sorry Kak, wrong wording
ive done just about everything in my dreams, ive even dremt and convinced myself that i was astral projecting, just like i can be convinced im a child or having a nightmare.
I WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIN I DISPROVED ASTRAL PROJECTION, I A VERY SMART PERSON
the person who can crack this crime and message shall be fine, my rymes - your thoughts. A Creation technique described as normal and deprived of its lies , You must first find a glitch or an agreement with your minds eyes to prove to yourself or another human, Now your thoughts need to kick in, I just taught of how a endless thought can be created, if you stop your mind it shall never show, Ideas and life comes from your mind but to survive, your body cannot die dieey eye eye diiieee, We are not made to be gods, an ultimate idea, a consiquence to believe but we were made to fight differently, we can make opposite, we can take equal and play a card of our own. It sucks to see, this path we went down but now it is what showed us only i can win
Defeated as it almost hurt me
the person who can crack this crime and message shall be fine, my rymes - your thoughts. A Creation technique described as normal and deprived of its lies , You must first find a glitch or an agreement with your minds eyes to prove to yourself or another human, Now your thoughts need to kick in, I just taught of how a endless thought can be created, if you stop your mind it shall never show, Ideas and life comes from your mind but to survive, your body cannot die dieey eye eye diiieee, We are not made to be gods, an ultimate idea, a consiquence to believe but we were made to fight differently, we can make opposite, we can take equal and play a card of our own. It sucks to see, this path we went down but now it is what showed us only i can win
Defeated as it almost hurt me
To all who does does not possess the talent to astral travel naturally, there is another way, the shamans way. It really is simple, you take it and in 15 mins you go surfing the hyperspace. It is suggested that you have another person who will watch over you for it is reported to be a very intense experience for the first time.
To astral travel, all you need is extract DMT by eating a grass called phalaris/harding grass or smoke it.
Experience encounters:
-being pulled by the power of thousands of hindu gods
-meeting an alien family that was desperately trying to communicate
-DMT brings another universe, or several universes simultaneously, right to my doorstep.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=46854
First experience of DR. Strassman, writter, The spirit molecule.
-http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v08n3/08304str.html
How to make DMT
-http://peyote.com/jonstef/dmt.htm
Legal Status of DMT
-http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/dmt01.htm
There are many personal stories but the link above will provide you how to astral travel the easy way with DMT.
DMT. Your window to other dimensions. be warned. do at your own risk.
To astral travel, all you need is extract DMT by eating a grass called phalaris/harding grass or smoke it.
Experience encounters:
-being pulled by the power of thousands of hindu gods
-meeting an alien family that was desperately trying to communicate
-DMT brings another universe, or several universes simultaneously, right to my doorstep.
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=46854
First experience of DR. Strassman, writter, The spirit molecule.
-http://www.maps.org/news-letters/v08n3/08304str.html
How to make DMT
-http://peyote.com/jonstef/dmt.htm
Legal Status of DMT
-http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/dmt01.htm
There are many personal stories but the link above will provide you how to astral travel the easy way with DMT.
DMT. Your window to other dimensions. be warned. do at your own risk.
hmm i am glad
QUOTE(Avius @ Jun 21 2006, 03:04 AM) [snapback]1239799[/snapback]
ive done just about everything in my dreams, ive even dremt and convinced myself that i was astral projecting, just like i can be convinced im a child or having a nightmare.
Until you are awake that is. Then you think "how did I think that was real, this is real." That is very different from what I here people say about AP (I have no personal experience). Otherwise I would still be telling people that there was lava in my basement and that I have a pet lion and a piano that chases me around. Or mabey I can tell the difference between awake and asleep better than most? Prolly because my dreams are very unrealistic and I can usually only see through one eye and can hardly run at all. And yet while I am dreaming I think it is reality only because I am not concious. As soon as I am I realize that the reality is I am dreaming. Of course that is where the fun begins. Or what if part of my dream was me realizing it was a dream and "I" didn't realize it at all. Hmm. In any case I always know when I am awake even if I hardy ever know when I am dreaming.
-Muddy
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